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He has good hands, and is a decent possesion reciever. I love ARE however, given his speed and size IMO he is a true slot reciever. with Moss at #1, Johnson at #2, El at #3, and Caldwell and McCardell (if he doesnt retire) thrown in there on four and five wide sets, we could be good at reciever. Unfortunately, Hackett is unproven and ALWAYS injured, and we need a true #2 deep threat on the other side of Moss. thats what Lloyd was supposed to be, remember? with depth in the late rounds of the draft, we could potentially have the best WR corps in the league behind the Pats.

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Well lets see what Scout Inc have to say about Johnson.
2007 Scouting Report - Scouts Inc.
[B]Grade:[/B] 65 | [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/scouts/news/story?id=2996209"][COLOR=#000000]Key[/COLOR][/URL]
[B]Alert:[/B] None

[B]Comment: [/B]Johnson is well-built, physical and fast. He has quality tools and a good feel for the game. He can find voids in coverage when a play breaks down. He knows how to use his size and strength to create separation. He is a solid intermediate target. He has decent hands and can be an effective route runner. But Johnson's focus and consistency need to improve. He sometimes appeared frustrated with his role as Arizona's No. 3 receiver last season. His play seemed lackadaisical at times. He will peek at defenders around him in traffic and drop balls as a result. He muffs easy catches due to poor concentration. He makes many of the plays he should, but he doesn't offer much big-play ability. He doesn't play up to his timed speed. His effort as a route runner and downfield blocker could be better. He could be even more physical and a little tougher.

[B]69-60: Average Starter
[/B]A valuable roster player but is not dominant against the better players he faces on a week-to-week basis... Gives great effort and you are glad that he is on your team, but he may or may not go to the next level

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[QUOTE=mauiRedskinbarn;428706]I remember watching a Cardinals Pre-Season game last season where B. Johnson looked like a gem, a true athlete. Given it was a pre-season game, but I thought to myself that this guy will be good one day. Talking to my friends who are huge 49er fans, they say that everytime Arizona plays them B. Johnson lights it up. He runs good routes, has good hands, and is a big presence in the redzone. I don't know if he will solve our problems, but his potential is still very high. He didn't have the best stats in Arizona, but look who was throwing him the ball, Lienart and Washed up Warner. Pair him up with a good QB and I think good things will happen. Definetly an upgrade over Caldwell in my opinion.[/QUOTE]

But Boldin and Fitzgerald didn't do so bad with Warner and Leinart throwing to them.

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I am really not sold on Johnson at all. I just don't see him being any better than Reche Caldwell. I say draft a WR, it is a pretty deep class there for the first 3 rounds

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[QUOTE=T.O.Killa;428729]See, I think Santana Moss is a number 1. I think the Redskins just need a big possesion reciever, and from what I see, Johnson has a lot of upside.[/QUOTE]

I don't want to come off too negative on Santana becasue I do like him. However, I do not consider him a #1 WR. There have been stretches where he has played like a #1...mostly in 2005, but there are also stretches where he completely dissapears from the offense. I think he lacks the consistency to be a true #1. JC needs a WR where when the game is on the line he can trust him enough to throw the ball up knowing that his guy will make the play. I think currently in that situation JC would want to throw it up for Cooley.

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[quote=celts32;428767]I don't want to come off too negative on Santana becasue I do like him. However, I do not consider him a #1 WR. There have been stretches where he has played like a #1...mostly in 2005, but there are also stretches where he completely dissapears from the offense. I think he lacks the consistency to be a true #1. JC needs a WR where when the game is on the line he can trust him enough to throw the ball up knowing that his guy will make the play. I think currently in that situation JC would want to throw it up for Cooley.[/quote]

One of the most powerful attributes for a QB is the ability to create his own elite recievers. If Zorn is able to get as much out of JC as he was able to get out of Matt Hasselback then it won't really matter whos out there at WR. Brady went without a decent Recieving threat for most of his career. And think, while Wes Welker is a good receiver, do you think he gets the same kind of prouduction if he stays in Miami?

Randy Moss was practically useless in Oakland without a top rated passer giving him the ball.

Anthony Gonzalez had a pretty good rookie campagin, but what do you think happens to him if he gets drafted by Atlanta, Carolina, or KC?

David Patten got 792 yards last year. You think that Colston and Henderson develop into anything if they go to a team with mediocre QB play?

There will always be Receivers that make plays no matter who the QB is. You can look at guys like Chad Johnson, Steve Smith, A. Boldin, and L. Fitgerald and know that they could put up a 1,000+ yards even if a fan that won a halftime ticket stub contest was throwing to them. Theres a good chance that all of the guys that we'll have a chance to acquire in the next two won't be that kind of player, however if we develop Jason Campbell and give him the protection he needs up front (B. Albert plug) then it won't matter if we sign Johnson or Hacket, the offense will still be able to produce.

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Here's some more:

[url=http://www.democratandchronicle.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080303/SPORTS03/80303042/1007/SPORTS]Democrat & Chronicle: Bills[/url]

[QUOTE]Johnson, who has plans to visit other teams, including the Washington Redskins, said he wouldn’t mind if those plans got canceled after liking what he saw and heard in Buffalo. He said his agent would speak with Bills officials about a potential contract.[/QUOTE]

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[quote=SmootSmack;428784]Here's some more:

[URL="http://www.democratandchronicle.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080303/SPORTS03/80303042/1007/SPORTS"]Democrat & Chronicle: Bills[/URL][/quote]


good i hope he goes to Buffalo

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[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;428693]By my count, just 2 great wideouts came out of that draft (Chad Johnson and Steve Smith). There were a fair number of WR busts in that draft too though (e.g., Freddie Mitchell).[/QUOTE]

Guess you didn't see Santana Moss, Reggie Wayne and Chris Chambers on that list.

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[QUOTE=DGreene28;428786]Guess you didn't see Santana Moss, Reggie Wayne and Chris Chambers on that list.[/QUOTE]

So there were 3? Moss and Chambers are not great receivers.

Moss could be if he ever stays healthy.

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Santana is the man! He is a # 1 reciever in my opinion, when he has a vet. qb he is hard to stop unless he is double covered. Funny how he got right back into it when Collins took over. We'll see if Campbell comes around soon, which may not happen with another new offense. Anyway I like Johnson, but only for the right price.

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[QUOTE=EARTHQUAKE2689;428762]I am really not sold on Johnson at all. I just don't see him being any better than Reche Caldwell. I say draft a WR, it is a pretty deep class there for the first 3 rounds[/QUOTE]

See, I like Caldwell too, but he and Moss aren't going to form a formidable 1-2 punch at wideout. And this is one of the tough spots we're in: Draft a wideout and wait 2 or 3 seasons before he becomes a viable threat, or spend valuable cap space, and risk the bust/bad chemistry possibility with a free agent.

Either way, we've got to do something at wide receiver. The group we have now just won't cut it.

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[QUOTE=celts32;428767]I don't want to come off too negative on Santana becasue I do like him. However, I do not consider him a #1 WR. There have been stretches where he has played like a #1...mostly in 2005, but there are also stretches where he completely dissapears from the offense. I think he lacks the consistency to be a true #1. JC needs a WR where when the game is on the line he can trust him enough to throw the ball up knowing that his guy will make the play. I think currently in that situation JC would want to throw it up for Cooley.[/QUOTE]


Yeah, I'm with you on that. Moss's 2005 season was spectacular, but that was three years ago. I think many of us are hung up on that magical year and believe that was who Santana Moss is every season. The reality is, he hasn't come close to that performance, and in some ways he's regressed.

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven;428797]See, I like Caldwell too, but he and Moss aren't going to form a formidable 1-2 punch at wideout. And this is one of the tough spots we're in: Draft a wideout and wait 2 or 3 seasons before he becomes a viable threat, or spend valuable cap space, and risk the bust/bad chemistry possibility with a free agent.

Either way, we've got to do something at wide receiver. The group we have now just won't cut it.[/QUOTE]

Can we afford to wait a year and make a push in 2009 for a free agent like TJ Houshmandzadeh or Marques Colston?

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Another year of Moss and Cooley being our most dangerous receiving threats? I guess if they're prepared for another mediocre offense, yes -- but if we're going to wait for 2009 we might as well draft somebody and ride out the WR learning curve.

Or maybe we have someone already on the roster who will come out of nowhere and knock our socks off.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;428801]Can we afford to wait a year and make a push in 2009 for a free agent like TJ Houshmandzadeh or Marques Colston?[/QUOTE]

I think the team should go after free agents like Johnson or Hackett, who are true free agents and not other team's refuse. I think either of these two players would be a good compliment to Moss and ARE. They are not #1 WRs, but at least they can compliment our two best receivers (and Cooley).

Right now the only true #1 WR in the market is Javon Walker....otherwise, we would need to trade for CJ (too expensive and unlikely), larry fitzgerald (a possibility, since it is the cardinals we're talking about) and Roy Williams (pretty unlikely...although we could fool the Lions into taking a 5th round pick if available LOL).

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven;428804]Another year of Moss and Cooley being our most dangerous receiving threats? I guess if they're prepared for another mediocre offense, yes -- but if we're going to wait for 2009 we might as well draft somebody and ride out the WR learning curve.

Or maybe we have someone already on the roster who will come out of nowhere and knock our socks off.[/QUOTE]

Well, that's the thing. I mean long-term are we better off keeping with the relative status quo (and maybe drafting a WR) and wait until 2009 to sign someone or should we go ahead and grab someone like Hackett now because there are no guarantees that we can sign a top-flight receiver in 2009?

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Here's the question: Is wide receiver the ONLY thing that is keeping this offense from getting to the next level? If yes, then go get someone like Hackett or Bryant Johnson, and hope that they're the last piece of the puzzle.

If no, and it's more complicated than just adding a WR -- then stick it out, see what we've got with Randle El/Caldwell/McCardell/Mix and wait for 2009. Cause chances are there will be growing pains with a new offense and a new head coach anyway.

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven;428817]Here's the question: Is wide receiver the ONLY thing that is keeping this offense from getting to the next level? If yes, then go get someone like Hackett or Bryant Johnson, and hope that they're the last piece of the puzzle.

If no, and it's more complicated than just adding a WR -- then stick it out, see what we've got with Randle El/Caldwell/McCardell/Mix and wait for 2009. Cause chances are there will be growing pains with a new offense and a new head coach anyway.[/QUOTE]

It is worth considering that maybe with a stronger line (that has more depth) and a less conservative play calling, we can work with the WRs that we have. Once again, it is hard to disregard the need of a posession receiver that can help with short yardage situation and can provide Campbell with another big target in the redzone (besides Cooley).

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Speaking of Cooley, can you imagine what he would be bringing in FA right now, so glad they locked him up!

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[QUOTE=Tha Posse;428832]Speaking of Cooley, can you imagine what he would be bringing in FA right now, so glad they locked him up![/QUOTE]

We probably would have tagged him (although not sure if could've afforded that though)...or we'd be looking at Alge Crumpler in free agency.

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I still can't believe that the average starter raked in $7-8 million per year, during Free Agency.

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when johnson starts for the cards he's not very good. if he came here, there's a good chance he could end up as either a good #3 or a borderline #2. if he wants lots of cash (which reportedly, he does) then we should pass.

outside of CJ or roy or fitz (or maybe walker), there's not much going on at WR this offseason. and all those trade possibilities don't seem likely right now, so it's either bring in possible problem child walker, try to get a deal for hackett as depth, draft a guy, or do nothing.

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[quote=Ruhskins;428833]We probably would have tagged him (although not sure if could've afforded that though)...or we'd be looking at Alge Crumpler in free agency.[/quote]

who got paid almost nothing by the titans.

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I'm not sure what kind of money is being offered to Johnson but I'm sure it's more than he's worth. I would have no problem paying big money for a true star but Johnson isn't really an upgrade over the crew we have now. He's a compliment of sorts, but an expensive compliment.

I previously advocated signing him before I saw the money players like Bernard Berrian were going to get. At this point I'd rather either pay top dollar for a true gamebreaker (which is not possible this year) or try and hit through the draft. Dropping 6-7 mil per on a guy who's only decent makes no sense, and is not a luxury we can afford right now.

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Any chance Bryant Johnson is trying to use the Skins as leverage to squeeze out a few more dollars from the Bills? We still haven't had a confirmed visit by the Skins (though lack of information wouldn't really be a new thing).

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I agree with not overpaying for a FA WR. There are a few solid WR's in the draft that are going to be available in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. Mike Mayock believes, and I agree that there are no 1st round WR's available this year. Fortunately for us, we can get a good developmental guy that can be inserted into the number 2 spot when we go 3 wide. In our 2 WR packages we have the option of keeping ARE in the number 2 slot or putting Reche there if we get him resigned.

I concur that Moss is a solid number one as long as a veteran QB is throwing to him. Our offense is going to go as Jason Campbell does. If Jason struggles, then the team will struggle, regardless of who is playing the WR positions. Case and point, Randy Moss in Oakland VS him in NE. In no way am I saying that our recievers are Randy Moss, but I am saying that the QB can make or break recievers. Sadly the reverse is also true, however I do not feel that our guys can hurt Campbell as much as Campbell may potentially hurt them.

I love Campbell and I want to see him develop, but right now he is light years away; and a new offensive system isn't helping matters much.

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[quote=angryssg;428866]I agree with not overpaying for a FA WR. There are a few solid WR's in the draft that are going to be available in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. Mike Mayock believes, and I agree that there are no 1st round WR's available this year. Fortunately for us, we can get a good developmental guy that can be inserted into the number 2 spot when we go 3 wide. In our 2 WR packages we have the option of keeping ARE in the number 2 slot or putting Reche there if we get him resigned.

I concur that Moss is a solid number one as long as a veteran QB is throwing to him. Our offense is going to go as Jason Campbell does. If Jason struggles, then the team will struggle, regardless of who is playing the WR positions. Case and point, Randy Moss in Oakland VS him in NE. In no way am I saying that our recievers are Randy Moss, but I am saying that the QB can make or break recievers. Sadly the reverse is also true, however I do not feel that our guys can hurt Campbell as much as Campbell may potentially hurt them.

I love Campbell and I want to see him develop, but [b]right now he is light years away[/b]; and a new offensive system isn't helping matters much.[/quote]

Light years away? Seriously? I agree that a new offense isn't a good thing for him, but I don't see "light years away."

To your point about Santana Moss and Jason Campbell. Admittedly, Campbell missed him on some deep shots early in the year, but Moss was injured in the Giants game week 3, he played horribly when he came back against Green Bay (a game that Jason played well in and receivers dropped multiple passes), and then had some OK games along with the 121 yard game in Dallas.

Yes, Moss played well at the end of the year (though he had exactly 1 100 yard game with Campbell and exactly 1 100 yard game with Collins), but that was also the first time he was fully healthy since the beginning of the season (in those games he had 89 yards against Philly and 82 yard against NYG).

I think if you fairly evaluate Campbell's performance last year, especially that three game stretch from Philadelphia to Tampa (Buffalo was a bad situation and he was hurt against Chicago) you see a guy on the verge not a guy who is "light years" away. Maybe you didn't mean to imply such a huge gap, but your language certainly suggests that he is years away from being a decent QB and that he somehow held back Moss (rather than Moss's injuries) last year.

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If JC is light years away we're in big trouble.

With 20 starts under his belt he'd better be pretty close to turning the corner.

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[quote=SC Skins Fan;428868]Light years away? Seriously? I agree that a new offense isn't a good thing for him, but I don't see "light years away."

To your point about Santana Moss and Jason Campbell. Admittedly, Campbell missed him on some deep shots early in the year, but Moss was injured in the Giants game week 3, he played horribly when he came back against Green Bay (a game that Jason played well in and receivers dropped multiple passes), and then had some OK games along with the 121 yard game in Dallas.

Yes, Moss played well at the end of the year (though he had exactly 1 100 yard game with Campbell and exactly 1 100 yard game with Collins), but that was also the first time he was fully healthy since the beginning of the season (in those games he had 89 yards against Philly and 82 yard against NYG).

I think if you fairly evaluate Campbell's performance last year, especially that three game stretch from Philadelphia to Tampa (Buffalo was a bad situation and he was hurt against Chicago) you see a guy on the verge not a guy who is "light years" away. Maybe you didn't mean to imply such a huge gap, but your language certainly suggests that he is years away from being a decent QB and that he somehow held back Moss (rather than Moss's injuries) last year.[/quote]

He brought up his completion percentage to 60%, but he stiil threw 12 TD's and 11 INT's. His QB rating was only 77. He needs to get through his progressions quicker, get rid of the ball quicker, deliver the deep ball more accurately, stop forcing the ball in the redzone and learn a new offense this offseason. That is a task, hence the words "light years away". It was a bit of an exaggeration, but so were the words "on the verge" IMO. How about we compromise and say "still developing with promise".

Moss was injured a couple of times and had the worst game of his life @ Green Bay. However, Todd Collins, a career backup had over a 100 QB rating through 4 games with the same corps of WR's. Todd Collins by no means has all of the physical tools that Campbell does, but he is more seasoned. Collins is nowhere near being one of the better QB's in the league, but right now he has a leg up on our beloved Campbell.

The bottom line is I want Campbell to succeed and be of the same caliber as Peyton, Rothlisberger, McNabb or Brady. Simply put it is going to take more time.

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[quote=angryssg;428875]He brought up his completion percentage to 60%, but he stiil threw 12 TD's and 11 INT's. His QB rating was only 77. He needs to get through his progressions quicker, get rid of the ball quicker, deliver the deep ball more accurately, stop forcing the ball in the redzone and learn a new offense this offseason. That is a task, hence the words "light years away". It was a bit of an exaggeration, but so were the words "on the verge" IMO. How about we compromise and say "still developing with promise".

Moss was injured a couple of times and had the worst game of his life @ Green Bay. However, Todd Collins, a career backup had over a 100 QB rating through 4 games with the same corps of WR's. Todd Collins by no means has all of the physical tools that Campbell does, but he is more seasoned. Collins is nowhere near being one of the better QB's in the league, but right now he has a leg up on our beloved Campbell.

The bottom line is I want Campbell to succeed and be of the same caliber as Peyton, Rothlisberger, McNabb or Brady. Simply put it is going to take more time.[/quote]

Good points, but I still think if you look at the three game stretch from Philly to TB you see a QB really close to being very good. You will likely bring up the costly INTs at Dallas and at Tampa that ended those games, but that is the hurdle he needs to cross. Winning games in the fourth quarter is the toughest thing to do and one of the last real progressions for NFL QBs. We saw what happened to Todd Collins when the ball was in his hand and he had to go win a game sans a running game during the Playoffs. He ended up looking a lot like Campbell did. Campbell has some development left, certainly, but I think you aren't really giving him enough credit for the development he showed from 2006 to 2007 and then during the course of 2007. I am concerned about the new offense (you saw how Phillip Rivers struggled this year, even though the offense was more or less the same but with Norv calling the plays). I guess we are actually pretty close in our opinions, but with a different tone to similar points.

Campbell

Philly 23-34, 67.6%, 215 yards, 3 tds, 0 ints
Dallas 33-54, 61.1%, 348 yards, 2 tds, 1 int
Tampa 30-49, 61.2%, 301 yards, 1 td, 2 ints

86-137, 62.7%, 864 yards, 6 tds, 3 ints

Collins

NYG 8-25, 32%, 166 yards, 0 tds, 0 ints
Min 22-29, 75.9%, 254 yards, 2 tds, 0 ints
Dal 22-31, 71.0%, 244 yards, 1 td, 0 ints

52-85, 61.2%, 664 yards, 3 tds, 0 ints

Obviously the game against the Giants was very windy and difficult conditions. If I substituted the Seattle game the numbers look like:

73-110, 66.4%, 764, 5 tds, 2 ints

I'm not detracting from what Collins was able to do, but I think by comparing Collins performance to Campbells and saying it demonstrates the huge progress that still remains for Jason, you aren't giving proper credit to what Jason was doing in the three games prior to his injury (not counting Buffalo, because obviously that was a very unique situation). You also don't consider how much better the defense performed at the end of the year and the fact that Collins was never put in a position where he had to go out in the fourth quarter and win a game (or try to carry a team that was unable to run the football).

Personally, I think Jason demonstrated that he is closer than you suggest, but obviously the new offense will be a great challenge.

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[quote=SC Skins Fan;428885]Good points, but I still think if you look at the three game stretch from Philly to TB you see a QB really close to being very good. You will likely bring up the costly INTs at Dallas and at Tampa that ended those games, but that is the hurdle he needs to cross. Winning games in the fourth quarter is the toughest thing to do and one of the last real progressions for NFL QBs. We saw what happened to Todd Collins when the ball was in his hand and he had to go win a game sans a running game during the Playoffs. He ended up looking a lot like Campbell did. Campbell has some development left, certainly, but I think you aren't really giving him enough credit for the development he showed from 2006 to 2007 and then during the course of 2007. I am concerned about the new offense (you saw how Phillip Rivers struggled this year, even though the offense was more or less the same but with Norv calling the plays). I guess we are actually pretty close in our opinions, but with a different tone to similar points.

Campbell

Philly 23-34, 67.6%, 215 yards, 3 tds, 0 ints
Dallas 33-54, 61.1%, 348 yards, 2 tds, 1 int
Tampa 30-49, 61.2%, 301 yards, 1 td, 2 ints

86-137, 62.7%, 864 yards, 6 tds, 3 ints

Collins

NYG 8-25, 32%, 166 yards, 0 tds, 0 ints
Min 22-29, 75.9%, 254 yards, 2 tds, 0 ints
Dal 22-31, 71.0%, 244 yards, 1 td, 0 ints

52-85, 61.2%, 664 yards, 3 tds, 0 ints

Obviously the game against the Giants was very windy and difficult conditions. If I substituted the Seattle game the numbers look like:

73-110, 66.4%, 764, 5 tds, 2 ints

I'm not detracting from what Collins was able to do, but I think by comparing Collins performance to Campbells and saying it demonstrates the huge progress that still remains for Jason, you aren't giving proper credit to what Jason was doing in the three games prior to his injury (not counting Buffalo, because obviously that was a very unique situation). You also don't consider how much better the defense performed at the end of the year and the fact that Collins was never put in a position where he had to go out in the fourth quarter and win a game (or try to carry a team that was unable to run the football).

Personally, I think Jason demonstrated that he is closer than you suggest, but obviously the new offense will be a great challenge.[/quote]


Points taken, Campbell was in more games needing a comeback win. But, what were Campbell's stats in games that didn't require a come from behind attempt.That might tell the true story.
Campbell did make strides from 06 to 07 and he needs to do just as much if not more from 07 to 08.

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[QUOTE=Dirtbag359;428783]One of the most powerful attributes for a QB is the ability to create his own elite recievers. If Zorn is able to get as much out of JC as he was able to get out of Matt Hasselback then it won't really matter whos out there at WR. Brady went without a decent Recieving threat for most of his career. And think, while Wes Welker is a good receiver, do you think he gets the same kind of prouduction if he stays in Miami?

Randy Moss was practically useless in Oakland without a top rated passer giving him the ball.

Anthony Gonzalez had a pretty good rookie campagin, but what do you think happens to him if he gets drafted by Atlanta, Carolina, or KC?

David Patten got 792 yards last year. You think that Colston and Henderson develop into anything if they go to a team with mediocre QB play?

There will always be Receivers that make plays no matter who the QB is. You can look at guys like Chad Johnson, Steve Smith, A. Boldin, and L. Fitgerald and know that they could put up a 1,000+ yards even if a fan that won a halftime ticket stub contest was throwing to them. Theres a good chance that all of the guys that we'll have a chance to acquire in the next two won't be that kind of player, however if we develop Jason Campbell and give him the protection he needs up front (B. Albert plug) then it won't matter if we sign Johnson or Hacket, the offense will still be able to produce.[/QUOTE]

Sure it can be done without an elite WR but I think we would all agree that having a great WR would make it easier for JC. See Romo in Dallas as an example. And since JC developing is the top priority for the franchise we should do everything to make that development as smooth as possible.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;428801]Can we afford to wait a year and make a push in 2009 for a free agent like TJ Houshmandzadeh or Marques Colston?[/QUOTE]

I would be willing to wait for those guys but the way this free agency is going the past couple years with average players great huge deals what would a player of TJ's caliber get on an open market? I think he could get about 30 mil gaurenteed based on what some of these other players are getting. And thats if he even gets to free agency...with the higher salary cap teams always seem to have the cap room to tag their better players or sign them to new deals before they reach free agency. So while I would wait I just don't think you can count on really good players making it to free agency anymore.

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[quote=angryssg;428916]Points taken, Campbell was in more games needing a comeback win. But, what were Campbell's stats in games that didn't require a come from behind attempt.That might tell the true story.
Campbell did make strides from 06 to 07 and he needs to do just as much if not more from 07 to 08.[/quote]Good points by you and SC both in this thread. Since no one asked for my imput, here it is:

IMO, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to seperate games from other games based on perceived circumstance. It's hard enough to get enough of a sample using all the games we have. So looking at the whole picture, Campbell made significant strides, as expected from his first year as a starter.

It's probably going to take ten to twenty more starts before Campbell has enough experience to step into the top ten in the game. However, if he can just produce at last year's level for this season, the Redskins are totally capable of winning games.

Collins played very well over 4 and a half games for us, but that's all it was. He's a good backup, but once teams study the tape on his tendencies, he won't be producing at a higher level than Campbell would be.

We're going to have to be patient with JC. He's "still a year away" (from being elite), but that doesn't mean he won't be good in the short term.

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The way I see it is that Campbell played well but our playcalling was not ideal. I think Saunders got in a zone late in the season. The quick hitters and the running pays had defenses off balance. Earlier in the season it was lets try to run every play and then pass. It wasn't working. Campbell made some great plays and was improving but I think the team hit its stride and everything was clicking at the end of the year. I think Campbell would have had the same results as Collins given the same opportunity. We saw what can happen when we are playing well. I think Gibbs had a knack for getting his players to play the best in December.

Campbell is going to do realyl well this season and I hope Anthony Mix helps him out. I think the sky is the limit for both of them.

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[quote=jdlea;428794]So there were 3? Moss and Chambers are not great receivers.

Moss could be if he ever stays healthy.[/quote]

Chambers is under 30 and has been to a Pro Bowl, he's suffered down in Miami the last few seasons. I see big things for him in San Diego the next few years... Hall of Famer.... no ... Few more Pro Bowls... likely.

Santana Moss is under 30 as well....
"His 2005 season with the Redskins was the best in his professional career, with 84 receptions for 1,483 yards(second highest in the nfl that year, behind only Steve Smith of the Carolina Panthers), setting a new Redskins single-season receiving record. In 2005, Moss also was selected to his first [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_Pro_Bowl"][COLOR=#0000ff]NFL Pro Bowl[/COLOR][/URL]. Moss recorded 18 rushing yards and 3 catches for 39 receiving yards at the Pro Bowl. Also, this amazing year solidified Moss as an elite receiver and a deep threat in the NFL."

While he's been injured during his career often he proved he could be an elite WR in this league when an offense is firing on all cylinders. While he's prob not going to be a HOF'er he most likely will go to a few more Pro Bowls. By my count that could be 5 multiple pro bowl wide recievers coming out of that draft = 5 great WR's coming out of that draft.

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All we need is big WR that JC can look to in the Red Zone and on 3rd down not named Cooley. Moss and Randle El just aren't the kind of options a big 6'5" athletic WR are when the field gets smaller.

If we get this years Dwayne Bowe in the draft then we will be well on our way to being a top 5 offense with JC leading the way.

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I just read on Redskins.com that he doesnt have a visit sent.

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I think both sides have expressed interest but nothing "official" was set. My gut feeling is that he liked Buffalo and wants to play there (Maybe he doesn't want the pressure of playing near home?).