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I think a lockdown may be inevitable for this thread

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;431100]I think a lockdown may be inevitable for this thread[/QUOTE]

Someone owes us pictures of a $5,500/hour hooker before it gets locked.

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[quote=hooskins;431086]With all due respect, I do not find you a "strong woman" by any means. In my honest opinion you seem to be very insecure and almost all your comments take shots at people or groups of people. To me it is a sad cry for attention which honestly makes me feel like vomiting.
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[COLOR=black]There is not a shred of respect in this post. You and SS obviously do not welcome me here, and I'm fine with that, but keep it to yourself. [/COLOR]

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[QUOTE=mheisig;431101]Someone owes us pictures of a $5,500/hour hooker before it gets locked.[/QUOTE]

I'll post it tonight when I get home

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[quote=mheisig;431101]Someone owes us pictures of a $5,500/hour hooker before it gets locked.[/quote]
That means Viagra needs to change their comercial:

If you experience an erection lasting over 4 hours, call your banker immediately.

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[quote=mheisig;431094][B]I can't believe this thread has gotten bogged down in a gender debate.[/B]

We all know the important question is, "What does a $5,500 hooker look like and what exactly does she do to justify said rate?"[/quote]

I like gender debates! Hell, I took an entire semester studying it, along with human sexuality. I don't see what's wrong with debating it. It looks like everyone just got all wrapped up in the hess stuff and decided to drop it.

It' kinda sucks because gender is such an expansive topic with many opinions and actually a lot of research if you bother looking it up. (I didn't have a choice. I had to). But it's a shame that because of one disagreement everyone wants to clamp up.

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It strikes me that if I were as ugly as Elliot Spitzer, and I managed by being a prominent person to snag a wife that far out of my league, the thought of visiting a whore would be the last thing to cross my mind. I would be too busy thanking God that a woman like his wife would give me the time of day. I wonder what this guy sees when he looks in the mirror? Does he not realize how hideously deformed he is? What a dope.

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[quote=firstdown;430816]Ok, we talked about bias in the News and I had to read to very bottom of the article before they ever said which party he was with and then did not really say he was a Dem Gov.. If he was a Rep. it wold have started off something like this.

Republican Gov. Spitzer was thought to have solicited a prositut from NY City. As a powerful Republican from NY city he was climbing the ladder as a Republican Gov. We asked him several questions but Republican Gov. Splitzer refused to answer any questions. It uncertain what Republican leaders will do (if anything)and if the Republican leaders will ask him to step down.[/quote]
Nice pick-up. No, there's no media bias. Yeah right.

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[quote=70Chip;431186]It strikes me that if I were as [B]ugly as Elliot Spitzer[/B], and I managed by being a prominent person to snag a wife that far out of my league, the thought of visiting a whore would be the last thing to cross my mind. I would be too busy thanking God that a woman like his wife would give me the time of day. I wonder what this guy sees when he looks in the mirror? Does he not realize how hideously deformed he is? What a dope.[/quote]

Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. Plus what makes you think he wasn't dashingly handsome in his younger days?

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[QUOTE=4mrusmc;431215]Nice pick-up. No, there's no media bias. Yeah right.[/QUOTE]

The media does seem to make a point of emphasizing party status when a Republican is busted for doing something immoral. Some of it has to do with media bias, but some of it also has to do with the Republican party having labeled itself the party of family values.

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[quote=12thMan;431080]This conversation is very interesting and entertaining.

Look, I'm not a big Spitzer fan by any stretch of the imaginaton but at the end of the day here's a guy - a man - that has to put his life back together. And whether we take exception to his actions or not, there should at least be a shred of sympathy for him and his family.

It's so convenient for us to get on a board, disect one's personal life, provide commentary and cast judgement. Whether it's male bashing or female bashing, what we're really doing is human bashing. Look, this guy screwed up - big time. But let's not make him out to be the worst individual of all time.[/quote]
Sorry, no sympathy for him. But for his family, yes.

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[QUOTE=4mrusmc;431219]Sorry, no sympathy for him. But for his family, yes.[/QUOTE]

Bingo.

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[quote=cpayne5;431228]Bingo.[/quote]

Ditto, Ditto...

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[QUOTE=70Chip;431186]It strikes me that if I were as ugly as Elliot Spitzer, and I managed by being a prominent person to snag a wife that far out of my league, the thought of visiting a whore would be the last thing to cross my mind. I would be too busy thanking God that a woman like his wife would give me the time of day. I wonder what this guy sees when he looks in the mirror? Does he not realize how hideously deformed he is? What a dope.[/QUOTE]

He met his wife in law school

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[quote=firstdown;431076]Well I went back to see how CNN reported this and also the Larry Craig story and here is a link to both. I'm just making the comparison to show media bias.
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I am sure it is just the opposite on the Fox "news". Besides the real reason for the press to mention over and over again that a republican got caught with his pants down, when it happens, is that [B]every year the GOP runs on a platform of "family values". [/B]But I guess "family values" just means hating gays and minorities.

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[QUOTE=Hijinx;431241]I am sure it is just the opposite on the Fox "news". Besides the real reason for the press to mention over and over again that a republican got caught with his pants down, when it happens, is that [B]every year the GOP runs on a platform of "family values". [/B]But I guess "family values" just means hating gays and minorities.[/QUOTE]

And you took offense to me saying that you'd have reacted differently if this was a Republican?

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Seeing the news tonight I stand by what I said originally, in that this is an "all to common occurrence among people in powerful positions".. Even though some of you would like to believe I'm just male bashing because I’m such an insecure woman, I'm not the ONLY one with this opinion.. obviously! Some of you on this board just wish to - let me use the word – generalize - to make sure you prove some kind of personal perception of the how you think I THINK.

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[QUOTE=hesscl34;431248]Seeing the news tonight I stand by what I said originally, in that this is an "all to common occurrence among people in powerful positions".. Even though some of you would like to believe I'm just male bashing because I’m such an insecure woman, I'm not the ONLY one with this opinion.. obviously! Some of you on this board just wish to - let me use the word – generalize - to make sure you prove some kind of personal perception of the how you think I THINK.[/QUOTE]

I think I'll just a link to another post of mine in the same thread

[url]http://www.redskinswarpath.com/430867-post27.html[/url]

Anyhow, I wish you'd explain "all too common" Or at least refrain from saying it, especially if you're going to then say others "generalize"

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Ok hess, now I think you're just stirring the pot. You should have just stuck with "ditto".

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[quote=SmootSmack;431250]I think I'll just a link to another post of mine in the same thread

[URL]http://www.redskinswarpath.com/430867-post27.html[/URL]

Anyhow, I wish you'd explain "all too common" Or at least refrain from saying it, especially if you're going to then say others "generalize"[/quote]

My post wasn't directed at you Smoot, or I would have replied to your post rather than just posting a comment about the news. My post was directed at those that thought I was male bashing, which you were not.

My "all too common" post was just as they said on the news tonight.. meaning people recently in poweful positions have often found themselves in these situstions over the last few years... Or I should say been caught in these situations. My orignial post was that I think this has become a problem among men in power, which led us down the rode of you all accusing me of male bashing, which I'm not doing. I'm saying it's sad that this had happened so often recently.

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[QUOTE=hesscl34;431256]My post wasn't directed at you Smoot, or I would have replied to your post rather than just posting a comment about the news. My post was directed at those that thought I was male bashing, which you were not.

My "all too common" post was just as they said on the news tonight.. meaning people recently in poweful positions have often found themselves in these situstions over the last few years... Or I should say been caught in these situations. My orignial post was that I think this has become a problem among men in power, which led us down the rode of you all accusing me of male bashing, which I'm not doing. I'm saying it's sad that this had happened so often recently.[/QUOTE]

Ok, and my response would then be that this is no worse than it's ever been (not that that makes it ok). Although, I don't how many dropped over $80,000 on prostitutes.

Either way, can we just give this whole "male bashing" a rest now?

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[quote=SmootSmack;431259]Ok, and my response would then be that this is no worse than it's ever been (not that that makes it ok). Although, I don't how many dropped over $80,000 on prostitutes.

Either way, can we just give this whole "male bashing" a rest now?[/quote]

I'm all for giving the male bashing a rest, and I hope the rest of us are too! Please!

As for 80K? Wow.. what was it ? Migets? Elephants? Toys? .. I cannot imagine.

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[quote=saden1;431216]Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. Plus what makes you think he wasn't dashingly handsome in his younger days?[/quote]

I think I'm safe in saying that it wasn't his looks that ensnared Mrs. Spitzer. I don't say that to be cruel. I admire the original acomplishment. It was no mean feat. He should have been grateful. It's like Billy Joel dumping whatserface. I mean, WTF?

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[quote=hesscl34;431260]I'm all for giving the male bashing a rest, and I hope the rest of us are too! Please!

As for 80K? Wow.. what was it ? Migets? Elephants? Toys? .. I cannot imagine.[/quote]

They prefer to be called little people.

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[quote=70Chip;431265]I think I'm safe in saying that it wasn't his looks that ensnared Mrs. Spitzer. I don't say that to be cruel. I admire the original acomplishment. It was no mean feat. He should have been grateful. It's like Billy Joel dumping whatserface. I mean, WTF?[/quote]

Come on, the dude is not that ugly. You make him sound like he's frighteningly hideous.

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[quote=SmootSmack;431242]And you took offense to me saying that you'd have reacted differently if this was a Republican?[/quote]

Absolutely, because I don't think this "crime" is a big deal, like I didn't think Craig's "crime" was a big deal, like I didn't think McGreevey's affair was a crime. These are all morality issues. Its a case of a "righteous" few imposing their beliefs on others.(see prohibition) You [U]assumed[/U] I thought this wasn't a big deal because of his party, but I wasn't even sure of the guy's party when I had all ready made up my mind that the media reaction would outweigh the "crime".

If some senator from a flyover state that I never heard of got caught with a small amount of pot, I wouldn't think much of it. I would make that decision without having to find out the senator's party affiliation. I am sure the media would do non stop coverage of it and the other party would call for the guy's head, but I wouldn't think it was a big deal.

If Spitzer had killed a guy, stole money from the government, or ran a dog fighting operation, I would say he should get every bit the punishment that anyone else would get. More in fact so that others would learn.

Had this been you or me chances are no one would have ever found out, this is a minor crime at most. Moreover law enforcement generally goes after the supply side of this "crime", much like drug enforcement.

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To me, this is a non-issue. I just don't see what the big deal is. Now his wife may have an entirely different perspective, but I don't think the public has any cause for concern about his abilityto perform the duties of his office because he paid for sex with a high priced hooker. Again, like others have said... if this guy wasn't a politician, no one ever hears of this. He's probably not even charged. I'm a lot more concerned with the actions of politicians while they're carrying out the responsibilities of their office as opposed to basically "scratching an itch" on their own time. What a waste of everyone's time...

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[QUOTE=70Chip;431265]I think I'm safe in saying that it wasn't his looks that ensnared Mrs. Spitzer. I don't say that to be cruel. I admire the original acomplishment. It was no mean feat. He should have been grateful. It's like Billy Joel dumping whatserface. I mean, WTF?[/QUOTE]

Yeah but his wife was his classmate at Harvard Law. Maybe he was the better student, but I think we need to give the Spitz some credit for having a little game on this one. It wasn't like he married his secretary.

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[quote=Hijinx;431241]I am sure it is just the opposite on the Fox "news". Besides the real reason for the press to mention over and over again that a republican got caught with his pants down, when it happens, is that [B]every year the GOP runs on a platform of "family values". [/B][/quote]


So you're admitting we shouldn't expect much morality from Democrats, so when they do things like this, we should chalk it up to expected behavior? :D

I guess that's how Clinton survived all of his lies, crimes and infidelities and is even getting a second chance through his wife...he already had a track record of it when we elected him the FIRST time, so we just said "that's Bill being Bill."

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[quote=Hijinx;431274]Absolutely, because I don't think this "crime" is a big deal, like I didn't think Craig's "crime" was a big deal, like I didn't think McGreevey's affair was a crime. These are all morality issues. Its a case of a "righteous" few imposing their beliefs on others.(see prohibition) You [U]assumed[/U] I thought this wasn't a big deal because of his party, but I wasn't even sure of the guy's party when I had all ready made up my mind that the media reaction would outweigh the "crime".

If some senator from a flyover state that I never heard of got caught with a small amount of pot, I wouldn't think much of it. I would make that decision without having to find out the senator's party affiliation. I am sure the media would do non stop coverage of it and the other party would call for the guy's head, but I wouldn't think it was a big deal.

If Spitzer had killed a guy, stole money from the government, or ran a dog fighting operation, I would say he should get every bit the punishment that anyone else would get. More in fact so that others would learn.

Had this been you or me chances are no one would have ever found out, this is a minor crime at most. Moreover law enforcement generally goes after the supply side of this "crime", much like drug enforcement.[/quote]
What you don't understand is no matter what your personal views of weather this should be illegal it is illegal in todays world. What he has done is compromised his job and left himself open to black male because of what he did. What if those ladies came back and said we want you to do XYZ or we will go to the press and expose you. Then we now have a person compromising his position and trust of the American people because of what he did. Maybe when he was a prosecuter the only reason he was tough on prostitution was to run the other postitution rings out of business making the one he used more profitable and in return they would make sure his name was protected. Remember the only way he was caught was because of what he was doing with his checking accounts. If he was just some Joe off the street then he would not be in this postion to start with.

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[quote=firstdown;431293]What you don't understand is no matter what your personal views of weather this should be illegal it is illegal in todays world. What he has done is compromised his job and left himself open to [B]black male[/B] because of what he did. What if those ladies came back and said we want you to do XYZ or we will go to the press and expose you. Then we now have a person compromising his position and trust of the American people because of what he did. Maybe when he was a prosecuter the only reason he was tough on prostitution was to run the other postitution rings out of business making the one he used more profitable and in return they would make sure his name was protected. Remember the only way he was caught was because of what he was doing with his checking accounts. If he was just some Joe off the street then he would not be in this postion to start with.[/quote]
which black male? Denzel, or Samuel L? :)

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LOL. Good catch.

Not knowing your homonyms hurts

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[quote=Buster;431291]So you're admitting we shouldn't expect much morality from Democrats, so when they do things like this, we should chalk it up to expected behavior? :D

I guess that's how Clinton survived all of his lies, crimes and infidelities and is even getting a second chance through his wife...he already had a track record of it when we elected him the FIRST time, so we just said "that's Bill being Bill."[/quote]


But again sex is not illegal. Clinton's blow job may have offended you, but the majority of this country saw it as nothing more than a political based attack.(thus his 90% plus approval rating)

And you can try to twist my words on what I said about morality, but I stand by the fact that the GOP plays the morality card to appeal to the Christan conservatives, but usually these "morals" are more about fear and hate. Bush basically won in 2004 on the "issue" of gay marriage.

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[quote=firstdown;431293]What if those ladies came back and said we want you to do XYZ or we will go to the press and expose you. Then we now have a person compromising his position and trust of the American people because of what he did. Maybe when he was a prosecuter the only reason he was tough on prostitution was to run the other postitution rings out of business making the one he used more profitable and in return they would make sure his name was protected. Remember the only way he was caught was because of what he was doing with his checking accounts. If he was just some Joe off the street then he would not be in this postion to start with.[/quote]

If my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle. Man there a lot of ifs and maybes in there.

Had Spitzer misused his powers or committed a major crime in connection to this, than he should receive punishment. I already said that if he committed a real crime he should receive the max sentence. But not the least bit of what you said has come out.

I would imagine that there are far more of these high services than people think. In my work I have seen more than my share of these girls and their high end clients. The chance of him getting blackmailed is probably less likely than if he was just cheating on his wife. These professionals know where their money comes from and that secrecy is in their best interest.

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[QUOTE=Hijinx;431307]If my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle. Man there a lot of ifs and maybes in there.

[B]Had Spitzer misused his powers or committed a major crime in connection to this, than he should receive punishment. I already said that if he committed a real crime he should receive the max sentence.[/B] But not the least bit of what you said has come out.

I would imagine that there are far more of these high services than people think. In my work I have seen more than my share of these girls and their high end clients. The chance of him getting blackmailed is probably less likely than if he was just cheating on his wife. These professionals know where their money comes from and that secrecy is in their best interest.[/QUOTE]

Sorry, I missed the memo - when exactly is a crime not a crime? When am I allowed to say - "Sorry officer, I know the law says it's a crime, but, hey, we both know it's not a REAL crime." ? I can't wait to use that on my next parking ticket.

While enforcement of crimes is sometimes (and, admittedly, more often then is acceptable) uneven, a crime is a crime is a crime. Further, it is the chief executive (whether mayor, governor or president) who is charged with enforcing the penalties for those crimes. To assert that such an individual should not be held accountable for violating the laws he/she is charged with enforcing undermines the rule of law.

In this particular case, the chief executive conspired to avoid detection both by use of the banking system and by avoiding the security officers provided to the chief executive (and who's duty is both to the individual who occupies that office and, on behalf of the state's citizens, to the office itself). The purpose of his avoiding detection was participate in an illegal business operation that, in of itself, was a conspiracy to break the very laws Spitzer was charged with enforcing.

Add to this, the hypocrisy element and Spitzer is simply getting his justifiable due.

Sucks when the karma train rams you in the ass.

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[QUOTE=JoeRedskin;431333]Sorry, I missed the memo - when exactly is a crime not a crime? When am I allowed to say - "Sorry officer, I know the law says it's a crime, but, hey, we both know it's not a REAL crime." ? I can't wait to use that on my next parking ticket.

While enforcement of crimes is sometimes (and, admittedly, more often then is acceptable) uneven, a crime is a crime is a crime. Further, it is the chief executive (whether mayor, governor or president) who is charged with enforcing the penalties for those crimes. To assert that such an individual should not be held accountable for violating the laws he/she is charged with enforcing undermines the rule of law.

In this particular case, the chief executive conspired to avoid detection both by use of the banking system and by avoiding the security officers provided to the chief executive (and who's duty is both to the individual who occupies that office and, on behalf of the state's citizens, to the office itself). The purpose of his avoiding detection was participate in an illegal business operation that, in of itself, was a conspiracy to break the very laws Spitzer was charged with enforcing.

Add to this, the hypocrisy element and Spitzer is simply getting his justifiable due.

Sucks when the karma train rams you in the ass.[/QUOTE]

Game. Set. Match

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not to change the subject, but since his wife is available, anyone have a cell number where i can reach her? i think she is pretty hot :)

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[QUOTE=JoeRedskin;431333]Sorry, I missed the memo - when exactly is a crime not a crime? When am I allowed to say - "Sorry officer, I know the law says it's a crime, but, hey, we both know it's not a REAL crime." ? I can't wait to use that on my next parking ticket.

While enforcement of crimes is sometimes (and, admittedly, more often then is acceptable) uneven, a crime is a crime is a crime. Further, it is the chief executive (whether mayor, governor or president) who is charged with enforcing the penalties for those crimes. To assert that such an individual should not be held accountable for violating the laws he/she is charged with enforcing undermines the rule of law.

In this particular case, the chief executive conspired to avoid detection both by use of the banking system and by avoiding the security officers provided to the chief executive (and who's duty is both to the individual who occupies that office and, on behalf of the state's citizens, to the office itself). The purpose of his avoiding detection was participate in an illegal business operation that, in of itself, was a conspiracy to break the very laws Spitzer was charged with enforcing.

Add to this, the hypocrisy element and Spitzer is simply getting his justifiable due.

Sucks when the karma train rams you in the ass.[/QUOTE]


Ok, if a crime is a crime is a crime, and everyone should be prosecuted evenly, then they also must be punished evenly as well. If you or I were busted "paying for it" we'd get whatever level of crime this is (misdemeanor?) and pay the fine for a first offense. No one would be calling for our job... I'm not saying he shouldn't be held accountable for his actions, but I think him losing his job is a bit much. That said, how was his performance on the job?

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It's just like your mama told you...........to much of a good thing...............will get your ass kicked out of office!

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[quote=dmek25;431362]not to change the subject, but since his wife is available, anyone have a cell number where i can reach her? i think she is pretty hot :)[/quote]

The time is right D.
She is probably looking to punish him, and you might be in the right spot??