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[quote=Mattyk72;436654]Personally, there's no way I'd want to take a picture with that prick. And I wouldn't pretend to be his best friend either. I wouldn't even want to shake the guy's hand to be honest.[/quote]

So you are saying that GW is a prick...how so? Do you think he honestly doesn't have our country's best interest at heart?

I think as US Americans (um...Americans) we should have some sort of respect for the President whether Rep or Dem. Booing the president is everyones right but i kind of look at it as a little rude and disrespectful IMO.

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;436657]People don't understand that when you boo the President of the United States of America, you're not just booing GWB, you're booing everything that that office stands for. It's unacceptable but not unexpected from our rapidly degrading society.[/quote]

Exactly.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;436654]Personally, there's no way I'd want to take a picture with that prick. And I wouldn't pretend to be his best friend either. I wouldn't even want to shake the guy's hand to be honest.[/QUOTE]

Do you think he's really evil or just incompetent? And which would bother you more ultimately, to have a bad president or to have a mean president? What if you had the opportuntity to shake his hand on September 12, 2001? Was your perception different then?

I personally don't know what booing the President really accomplishes (other than some self satisfaction, I suppose), unless one thinks that by booing your influencing the opinions of others. But what will it matter if they don't go out and vote. And if they vote one way or another based on cheers/boos at a baseball game then what does that say about the people voting?

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What I don't think is getting across is that "booing" in general is boorish behavior. You want to criticize, that is everyone's God-given and Constitutionally guaranteed right, but it is one thing to say "I have a problem with the manner in which you are doing your job" and another to be making a [I]noise[/I] with negative connotations in the direction of the holder of our country's highest office. (wow, that's a run-on sentence) Booing is, by and of itself, rude. Done in the direction of an elected official, especially the President, it's that much worse. My issue is neither with the opinion nor the fact that it is being expressed. My issue is with the manner in which it was expressed.

As for the other arguments being discussed, I think that we all can be fairly judged on the sum of our actions. If you don't judge someone based on what they do, on what do you form an opinion?

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[quote=SmootSmack;436800]Do you think he's really evil or just incompetent? And which would bother you more ultimately, to have a bad president or to have a mean president? What if you had the opportuntity to shake his hand on September 12, 2001? Was your perception different then?

I personally don't know what booing the President really accomplishes (other than some self satisfaction, I suppose), unless one thinks that by booing your influencing the opinions of others. But what will it matter if they don't go out and vote. And if they vote one way or another based on cheers/boos at a baseball game then what does that say about the people voting?[/quote]

I think he's too dumb to be evil.

I was no more of a fan of his on 9/12/01 than I am now. Him yelling through a bull horn on top of a pile of WTC rubbish really didn't change my opinion of him.

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[quote=Mattyk72;436625]Booing is mean and nasty? Like I said, I'm sure 'w' has heard far worse. I'm sure it wasn't the first time he was booed. Hell... he was booed and had eggs tossed at his limo at his inauguration in 2001. LOL[/quote]

Yeah, real hilarious.

This is why the political scene is so nasty, there are so many people who are completely immature and asinine when they don't agree with someone 100% of the time.

I don't care if you're a mod or not, grow up.

The position of the President needs to be respected no matter who it is or how much you disagree with him. He is not to be called "Bush", "W", "George Jr." or anything other than "President Bush" or "Mr. President".

The same went with "President Clinton" and with our members of Congress, no matter how much of an idiot they make themselves out to be sometimes. They still earned the position and deserve that respect even if you can't respect them individually.

I doubt he'd want to get a picture with someone acting like a prick himself, but he's always completely courteous to EVERYONE he meets, even if they're being immature, vulgar little idiots. When someone yells something or interrupts his speeches, he doesn't miss a beat and doesn't criticize them. I have never seen anything but class from our President, despite the fact that he's received the most horrible crap thrown his way.

Like his politics or not, he's honest with you and tells you what he believes, whether you agree or not. He doesn't govern by polls like the previous President.

You have to respect that. Of course, I doubt you will based on your prior childish comments.

I don't care if you don't call him "your" President because you can't get past politics, stop letting your heart lead your head and learn some respect.

If one of the Democrats I disagree with on nearly every issue is elected in November, sure I'll be disappointed and will publicly disagree with many of their decisions and views, but they will still get the respect of being referred to by the title they earned through votes and their work.

Hey, if you are so much more superior and can do a better job, you can run for the office. You'll get my respect even if I believe you're wrong and horrible for the job.

Also, I can't stand the idiots who say "OOOOOOO" during the National Anthem and the people who keep their hats on. Don't agree with everything your nation is doing? Neither do I, but grow up and have some respect for the nation that has been earned by the lives of brave men and women for over 200 years and has let you live in more freedom, safety and prosperity than any other nation in the world.

If you don't respect the nation, get out.

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[quote=Hog1;436665]I am sure you would not boo the troops because you do not like what they are doing[/quote]

A lot of morons do.

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[quote=Buster;436809]Yeah, real hilarious.

This is why the political scene is so nasty, there are so many people who are completely immature and asinine when they don't agree with someone 100% of the time.

I don't care if you're a mod or not, grow up.

The position of the President needs to be respected no matter who it is or how much you disagree with him. He is not to be called "Bush", "W", "George Jr." or anything other than "President Bush" or "Mr. President".

The same went with "President Clinton" and with our members of Congress, no matter how much of an idiot they make themselves out to be sometimes. They still earned the position and deserve that respect even if you can't respect them individually.

I doubt he'd want to get a picture with someone acting like a prick himself, but he's always completely courteous to EVERYONE he meets, even if they're being immature, vulgar little idiots. When someone yells something or interrupts his speeches, he doesn't miss a beat and doesn't criticize them. I have never seen anything but class from our President, despite the fact that he's received the most horrible crap thrown his way.

Like his politics or not, he's honest with you and tells you what he believes, whether you agree or not. He doesn't govern by polls like the previous President.

You have to respect that. Of course, I doubt you will based on your prior childish comments.

I don't care if you don't call him "your" President because you can't get past politics, stop letting your heart lead your head and learn some respect.

If one of the Democrats I disagree with on nearly every issue is elected in November, sure I'll be disappointed and will publicly disagree with many of their decisions and views, but they will still get the respect of being referred to by the title they earned through votes and their work.

Hey, if you are so much more superior and can do a better job, you can run for the office. You'll get my respect even if I believe you're wrong and horrible for the job.

Also, I can't stand the idiots who say "OOOOOOO" during the National Anthem and the people who keep their hats on. Don't agree with everything your nation is doing? Neither do I, but grow up and have some respect for the nation that has been earned by the lives of brave men and women for over 200 years and has let you live in more freedom, safety and prosperity than any other nation in the world.

If you don't respect the nation, get out.[/quote]

Where did I say it was hilarious? My 'LOL' was based on the fact that I said he's heard far worse than boos and I used that as an example.

If anything I thought his inauguration was a sad commentary on a botched election and a president that the general population didn't elect.

I guess you missed some of my other posts, I never said I had no respect for the guy. And just because I'm not a fan of the president that means I have no respect for the nation? Now we're really jumping to conclusions huh?

Think twice before you jump on someone next time and maybe take some of your own advice about growing up.

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As a Dem, I don't even think the guy deserves to be booed. If I have such a problem with him I just wouldn't say anything.

I think silence would really have made a better impression than booing the guy. That just makes Americans look terribly unclassy.

Bush may have sucked with flying colors but at least he tried, his 8 years is up and its the end. I think its time for people to start getting over it.

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And for the record I personally wouldn't boo the guy. Just to make that clear. I just don't have a problem with those that want to.

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[quote=Mattyk72;436811]Where did I say it was hilarious? My 'LOL' was based on the fact that I said he's heard far worse than boos and I used that as an example.

If anything I thought his inauguration was a sad commentary on a botched election and a president that the general population didn't elect.

[B] I guess you missed some of my other posts, I never said I had no respect for the guy. [/B]And just because I'm not a fan of the president that means I have no respect for the nation? Now we're really jumping to conclusions huh?

[B] Think twice before you jump on someone next time and maybe take some of your own advice about growing up.[/B][/quote]

Re-read the rest of your idiotic posts calling the President names.

Botched election? Seems like you had a botched education. The electoral college determines the winner. Before Al Gore suggested it, no one ever believed the popular vote is the system we use or should.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;436807]I think he's too dumb to be evil.

I was no more of a fan of his on 9/12/01 than I am now. Him yelling through a bull horn on top of a pile of WTC rubbish really didn't change my opinion of him.[/QUOTE]

Understood. I think though that using the word "prick" usually implies mean-spirited or "evil". What would you "prefer" if you had to choose though. A President who with good intentions but no clear plan or one with the wrong ideals but flawless execution? Of course, that maybe more of a hypothetical question that doesn't necessarily need to be answered here.

As to the second part of your post, I respect that. And I'm not trying to pigeonhole you of course. I just think that for a lot of people the cheering in Yankee Stadium 7 years ago and the booing at Nationals Park last week were more a result of the mob mentality of "hey everyone else is doing it, I should too." I'll "boo" when I check the ballot box

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[quote=Mattyk72;436807]I think he's too dumb to be evil.

I was no more of a fan of his on 9/12/01 than I am now. Him yelling through a bull horn on top of a pile of WTC rubbish really didn't change my opinion of him.[/quote]
I understand your opinion of Bush is negative, but if you are going to condemn him for being an idiot and getting us into Iraq, then you must also condemn the liberals in Congress who supported the war.

I don't think the President should be booed in the environment of throwing out the first pitch at a baseball game. As much as I dislike/disagree with President Clinton, President Carter, I wouldn't boo them in that setting. At the State of the Union address the opposite side of the President never boos, they just remain silent.

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[QUOTE=Buster;436809]Yeah, real hilarious.

This is why the political scene is so nasty, there are so many people who are completely immature and asinine when they don't agree with someone 100% of the time.

I don't care if you're a mod or not, grow up.

The position of the President needs to be respected no matter who it is or how much you disagree with him. He is not to be called "Bush", "W", "George Jr." or anything other than "President Bush" or "Mr. President".

The same went with "President Clinton" and with our members of Congress, no matter how much of an idiot they make themselves out to be sometimes. They still earned the position and deserve that respect even if you can't respect them individually.

I doubt he'd want to get a picture with someone acting like a prick himself, but he's always completely courteous to EVERYONE he meets, even if they're being immature, vulgar little idiots. When someone yells something or interrupts his speeches, he doesn't miss a beat and doesn't criticize them. I have never seen anything but class from our President, despite the fact that he's received the most horrible crap thrown his way.

Like his politics or not, he's honest with you and tells you what he believes, whether you agree or not. He doesn't govern by polls like the previous President.

You have to respect that. Of course, I doubt you will based on your prior childish comments.

I don't care if you don't call him "your" President because you can't get past politics, stop letting your heart lead your head and learn some respect.

If one of the Democrats I disagree with on nearly every issue is elected in November, sure I'll be disappointed and will publicly disagree with many of their decisions and views, but they will still get the respect of being referred to by the title they earned through votes and their work.

Hey, if you are so much more superior and can do a better job, you can run for the office. You'll get my respect even if I believe you're wrong and horrible for the job.

Also, I can't stand the idiots who say "OOOOOOO" during the National Anthem and the people who keep their hats on. Don't agree with everything your nation is doing? Neither do I, but grow up and have some respect for the nation that has been earned by the lives of brave men and women for over 200 years and has let you live in more freedom, safety and prosperity than any other nation in the world.

If you don't respect the nation, get out.[/QUOTE]

I skipped through most of this, but....I totally agree about "OOOOO" during the National Anthem. It's unbelievably stupid and annoying, imo.

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[quote=Buster;436809]Also, I can't stand the idiots who say "OOOOOOO" during the National Anthem and the people who keep their hats on. [/quote]
I hate this too. It is very annoying and disrespectful.

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[QUOTE=DynamiteRave;436813]
Bush may have sucked with flying colors but at least he tried, his 8 years is up and its the end. I think its time for people to start getting over it.[/QUOTE]
Hallelujah!

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Bottom　line is this: if you decide to throw out the first pitch in a liberal city with a 30 percent approval rating you get what's coming to you.

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[quote=Buster;436815]Re-read the rest of your idiotic posts calling the President names.

Botched election? Seems like you had a botched education. The electoral college determines the winner. Before Al Gore suggested it, no one ever believed the popular vote is the system we use or should.[/quote]

Nice. I'd rather just not continue any sort of discussion with you since you're intent on dragging this into the mud with insults directed towards me.

I'll call the president whatever I want to, that's my right, love it or leave it.

Next.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;436828]Nice. I'd rather just not continue any sort of discussion with you since you're intent on dragging this into the mud with insults directed towards me.

I'll call the president whatever I want to, that's my right, love it or leave it.

Next.[/QUOTE]

I think what is getting lost in all of the rancor in this thread is that no reasonable person would disagree with you about your right, both God given and constitutionally, to speak freely but I think plenty of folks have less respect for someone who throws nasty names around and boo disprespectfully(in their minds) than for a President doing a poor job.

I think it might surprise a lot of the booers to know how many people would say they have less respect for the booers than President Bush in this situation.

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[quote=FRPLG;436833]I think what is getting lost in all of the rancor in this thread is that no reasonable person would disagree with you about your right, both God given and constitutionally, to speak freely but I think plenty of folks have less respect for someone who throws nasty names around and boo disprespectfully(in their minds) than for a President doing a poor job.

I think it might surprise a lot of the booers to know how many people would say they have less respect for the booers than President Bush in this situation.[/quote]

Perhaps that's what's wrong with our country if people are more upset about booing and name calling than a president who's inept.

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[quote=Mattyk72;436835]Perhaps that's what's wrong with our country if people are more upset about booing and name calling than a president who's inept.[/quote]

I didn't have time to read all 100 posts in this thread, but I did read the last two pages.

I'm upset about having an inept president, but I'm also upset about his being booed. It's no secret he has a low approval rating. He knows it, every citizen in the US knows it.

But this is the commander-in-chief of our country throwing out the first pitch on opening day in a brand new ball park in our nation's capital. I think whoever made the point about the "mob mentality" is correct. A few started, everyone else chimes in.

Booing this man at this event shows people's general lack of perspective. In my opinion the opening day first pitch is about the Presidency as a whole and tradition in our great nation. It's not about the fans' individual political alignment on that particular day. I was embarrassed to hear our President booed, even if our President is a man who's politics I drastically disagree with at this point.

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[quote=GMScud;436862]I didn't have time to read all 100 posts in this thread, but I did read the last two pages.

I'm upset about having an inept president, but I'm also upset about his being booed. It's no secret he has a low approval rating. He knows it, every citizen in the US knows it.

But this is the commander-in-chief of our country throwing out the first pitch on opening day in a brand new ball park in our nation's capital. I think whoever made the point about the "mob mentality" is correct. A few started, everyone else chimes in.

Booing this man at this event shows people's general lack of perspective. In my opinion the opening day first pitch is about the Presidency as a whole and tradition in our great nation. It's not about the fans' individual political alignment on that particular day. I was embarrassed to hear our President booed, even if our President is a man who's politics I drastically disagree with at this point.[/quote]


very good post GM.

booing the president of the united states of america while he's throwing the first pitch of a baseball game is totaly classless and shows a total lack of respect.

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[quote=djnemo65;436826]Bottom　line is this: if you decide to throw out the first pitch in a liberal city with a 30 percent approval rating you get what's coming to you.[/quote]


you sound like you'd be a great eagles fan.

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Sad, we sould not be booing the leader of our country no matter how poor his term in office was or what mistakes he has made. The difference between a coach and th epres is that th epres leads us the coach leads the team we root for we do not need to give him respect. Just lucky that we can boo the president without special police walking around shooting you if you did.

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He's lucky all they did was boo him. Respect is earned and god knows that man hasn't earned any. Silence is betrayal, always speak your mind.

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[quote=saden1;436883]He's lucky all they did was boo him. Respect is earned and god knows that man hasn't earned any. Silence is betrayal, always speak your mind.[/quote]

Although I have no problem with anyone booing Bush, I disagree, and this is the distinction I draw between the person and the office. For me, anyone elected to the office gets the benefit of the doubt. Of course, I may have very little faith of that person's ability to deliver, but if they do I'll give them credit.

Bush eff'd pretty much everything he got involved in, so the boos are deserved. If McCain wins, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. If he eff's it up, too, give him the boos.

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This kinds of reminds me of a similar thread we had recently. Can you attend a movie starring your favorite actor and not mind that he/she is a spokesperson for a cause you are opposed to? Can you go attend your favorite team's home opener and not mind that the President is throwing the opening pitch (as is tradition)?

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[QUOTE=wolfeskins;436878]you sound like you'd be a great eagles fan.[/QUOTE]

You sound like you'd be a great a communist. OOH BURN!! Democracy, get it or get out buddy.

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[quote=onlydarksets;436887]Although I have no problem with anyone booing Bush, I disagree, and this is the distinction I draw between the person and the office. For me, anyone elected to the office gets the benefit of the doubt. Of course, I may have very little faith of that person's ability to deliver, but if they do I'll give them credit.

Bush eff'd pretty much everything he got involved in, so the boos are deserved. If McCain wins, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. If he eff's it up, too, give him the boos.[/quote]

If you boo you are disrespecting the office? I don't buy that. The office is bigger than Bush and booing him doesn't diminish the office or the accomplishments of prior presidents. If anyone has disrespected the office it is Bush. The man is shameless and his stench can not be masked. Everyone knows he is a disgrace and he has no one to blame but himself. Also, booing him shows the rest of the world that not all Americans approve of the Bush Administration (something your really want to convey seeing how opinions about the U.S. are at an all time low).

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As Americans we all have the right to boo whoever we want.However, booing the president shows a lack of respect for the position they hold.Not to mention it is childish.We voted him into office twice.Where were all the boo birds in November?Not at the polls apparently.If you wanted to boo you should have done it with a vote.Enough votes to where even the Electoral College couldnt mess things up.

Once the President is in office its time to at least show the person elected the respect that the position is entitled to.Im not saying you should follow blindly,just respectfully disagree.This reminds me of a conversation I had with a frenchman. I asked him why the french hated america and he said "we do not hate american people,we just hate American President".To wich I said,"who voted in that President"?Im still waiting for the answer.The point is that he represents us all if you like it or not.Publicly booing him will only make us look stupid to the rest of the world.

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I'm gonna keep this one simple. I see the points both sides make, and while I don't approve of some people booing the President at a baseball game, people do have their freedom and some decide to use it however they see fit. I don't agree with the decisions he has made and I damn sure won't be complaining when he leaves office in fall, but I think it's disrespectful to boo a man who is doing something that is in no way connected with his political agenda.

I mean if he was making a political speech in your hometown and a few people who didn't like him decided to show up and boo him after he tries to talk about a bad decision he made than w/e, that is the right forum to do it at. I don't think much of booers at all, whether at a football game or anywhere else. If you don't like a person simply don't say anything at all. I'm sure if Bush had been introduced and all you heard was crickets and a few smatterings of applause that would've said more (and you would've shown yourself to be classier) than a bunch of people booing him.

I understand though there will always be people in this country that don't care and that's why I wasn't suprised by it. And for the GTripp/Matty argument, I think there is a difference between the decisions a man makes and what he really is like, especially when you are the President of one of the biggest and most powerful nations in the world. I'm not gonna say that none of his decisions were based solely on what he thought, because I'm sure some were, but he has all those advisors and people that try to influence his decisions, but contrary to popular belief running the country isn't a one man show. One man may hold most of the power, but some of his actions are probably influenced by others. And no, I'm not saying the balance of his actions influenced by himself/others is like 20/80, because judging on what he's done it definitely doesn't look like it, but it's probably somewhere along the lines of 60/40 or 65/35. I don't think there will ever be a definitive number though simply because nobody except himself could truly reveal that. Either way, what I've said has swayed from the topic at hand, so to sum it up, I agree with everyone else that thinks its' disrespectful.

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[quote=saden1;436920]If you boo you are disrespecting the office? I don't buy that. The office is bigger than Bush and booing him doesn't diminish the office or the accomplishments of prior presidents. If anyone has disrespected the office it is Bush. The man is shameless and his stench can not be masked. Everyone knows he is a disgrace and he has no one to blame but himself. Also, booing him shows the rest of the world that not all Americans approve of the Bush Administration (something your really want to convey seeing how opinions about the U.S. are at an all time low).[/quote]

That's pretty much the exact opposite of what I said.

What I said is that I think the office gets you the benefit of the doubt when you first come in - that is, I won't prejudge a new president, even if I think he/she is an idiot. If you eff it up, though, then you've taken a dump on the office, and the office doesn't entitle you to respect that you obviously don't deserve. That's what Bush did, so he earned the boos.

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[QUOTE=love them hogs;436926]As Americans we all have the right to boo whoever we want.However, booing the president shows a lack of respect for the position they hold.Not to mention it is childish.We voted him into office twice.Where were all the boo birds in November?Not at the polls apparently.If you wanted to boo you should have done it with a vote.Enough votes to where even the Electoral College couldnt mess things up.[/QUOTE]Once again, only about half the people in the ballpark were actually booing him. In fact, the amount of people cheering for him vs. the amount of people booing was probably very respresentative of the amount of people that voted for him vs those that did not.

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[quote=love them hogs;436926]As Americans we all have the right to boo whoever we want.However, booing the president shows a lack of respect for the position they hold.Not to mention it is childish.We voted him into office twice.Where were all the boo birds in November?Not at the polls apparently.If you wanted to boo you should have done it with a vote.Enough votes to where even the Electoral College couldnt mess things up.

Once the President is in office its time to at least show the person elected the respect that the position is entitled to.Im not saying you should follow blindly,just respectfully disagree.This reminds me of a conversation I had with a frenchman. I asked him why the french hated america and he said "we do not hate american people,we just hate American President".To wich I said,"who voted in that President"?Im still waiting for the answer.The point is that he represents us all if you like it or not.[B]Publicly booing him will only make us look stupid to the rest of the world.[/B][/quote]

Make us look stupid? lol. If the sky over the U.S. was a mirror you would see clowns every time you looked up.

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[quote=onlydarksets;436972]That's pretty much the exact opposite of what I said.

What I said is that I think the office gets you the benefit of the doubt when you first come in - that is, I won't prejudge a new president, even if I think he/she is an idiot. If you eff it up, though, then you've taken a dump on the office, and the office doesn't entitle you to respect that you obviously don't deserve. That's what Bush did, so he earned the boos.[/quote]


Roger that!

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[quote=Mattyk72;436828]Nice. I'd rather just not continue any sort of discussion with you since you're intent on dragging this into the mud with insults directed towards me.

I'll call the president whatever I want to, that's my right, love it or leave it.

Next.[/quote]

With rights come responsibilities.

You can carry a gun, you can't shoot it at people at random.

You can get married, if you cheat, she has the "right" to leave you and empty your bank account.

You can say whatever you want, but there are consequences for your speech. Everyone else has the equal freedom of speech and RIGHT to not only disagree or condemn you if you say something wrong, stupid or in this case disrespectful, but speaking without responsibility can also get you beaten or jailed. If you say something to law enforcement, on an airplane, during a speech or in an environment where it is either inappropriate or illegal...you get consequences. Making threats against public officials (not saying you did...reminding you) can land you in jail and you'd deserve it.

Sure you can "say whatever you want" but accept the consequences.

Freedom of speech is not an anarchist right, there are laws and responsibilities and also issues of respect that should be adhered to.

"I can say what I want" shows a lot of immaturity and a lack of understanding what having a right actually means.

The Founders knew what they were doing when they set our laws and rights in place, they were very focused on the future of the nation as much as the establishment. Their principles of responsibilities accompanying freedoms still holds true, although the selfish society of today doesn't grasp the concept of maintaining freedom (fight for it) and even what to do with it while they have it. Courtesy, respect for authority and the nation have all gone away. You see it everywhere from that Nationals game to this morning when some blonde in a Toyota who was doing her hair in the rear-view mirror while driving cut me off without a turn signal because she was in a turning lane and wanted to go straight. Tearing down the position and Office of the Presidency by not showing proper respect because you don't personally like the man holding it not only looks bad to other nations, it looks bad to most people around you.

You said "Bottom　line is this: if you decide to throw out the first pitch in a liberal city with a 30 percent approval rating you get what's coming to you."

There were FAR MORE cheers then boos, so obviously even most liberals have more class than you and your ilk of vocal jerks.

In short, you can act like a jerk, but expect a verbal and sometimes a physical beating.


By the way, the Democrat-led Congress has had as low as a 10 percent approval rating, so apparently if you believe those media polls, he's doing a far better job than anyone else in Washington.

Re: GW Bush booed at Nationals' opener
 

[quote=ArtMonkDrillz;436977]Once again, only about half the people in the ballpark were actually booing him. In fact, the amount of people cheering for him vs. the amount of people booing was probably very respresentative of the amount of people that voted for him vs those that did not.[/quote]

So half of America is a bunch of sore losers?

Yeah, I can buy that. :D

Re: GW Bush booed at Nationals' opener
 

[quote=SmootSmack;436821]I skipped through most of this, but....I totally agree about "OOOOO" during the National Anthem. It's unbelievably stupid and annoying, imo.[/quote]


Sorry for the length, but it's something I believe in without backing down.

I guess the "OOOOOOOOOO" just stood out to you and made you wonder what I was talking about. :)

Re: GW Bush booed at Nationals' opener
 

[QUOTE=Buster;436992]So half of America is a bunch of sore losers?

Yeah, I can buy that. :D[/QUOTE]Hell, maybe they weren't booing the president, maybe they were booing the idiots that voted for him a second time.

Re: GW Bush booed at Nationals' opener
 

[QUOTE=Buster;436991]With rights come responsibilities.

You can carry a gun, you can't shoot it at people at random.

You can get married, if you cheat, she has the "right" to leave you and empty your bank account.

You can say whatever you want, but there are consequences for your speech. Everyone else has the equal freedom of speech and RIGHT to not only disagree or condemn you if you say something wrong, stupid or in this case disrespectful, but speaking without responsibility can also get you beaten or jailed. If you say something to law enforcement, on an airplane, during a speech or in an environment where it is either inappropriate or illegal...you get consequences. Making threats against public officials (not saying you did...reminding you) can land you in jail and you'd deserve it.

Sure you can "say whatever you want" but accept the consequences.

Freedom of speech is not an anarchist right, there are laws and responsibilities and also issues of respect that should be adhered to.

"I can say what I want" shows a lot of immaturity and a lack of understanding what having a right actually means.

The Founders knew what they were doing when they set our laws and rights in place, they were very focused on the future of the nation as much as the establishment. Their principles of responsibilities accompanying freedoms still holds true, although the selfish society of today doesn't grasp the concept of maintaining freedom (fight for it) and even what to do with it while they have it. Courtesy, respect for authority and the nation have all gone away. You see it everywhere from that Nationals game to this morning when some blonde in a Toyota who was doing her hair in the rear-view mirror while driving cut me off without a turn signal because she was in a turning lane and wanted to go straight. Tearing down the position and Office of the Presidency by not showing proper respect because you don't personally like the man holding it not only looks bad to other nations, it looks bad to most people around you.

[B]You said "Bottom　line is this: if you decide to throw out the first pitch in a liberal city with a 30 percent approval rating you get what's coming to you."

There were FAR MORE cheers then boos, so obviously even most liberals have more class than you and your ilk of vocal jerks.[/B]

In short, you can act like a jerk, but expect a verbal and sometimes a physical beating.


By the way, the Democrat-led Congress has had as low as a 10 percent approval rating, so apparently if you believe those media polls, he's doing a far better job than anyone else in Washington.[/QUOTE]

I'm not sure I would say "vocal jerks" but more importantly are you saying that Matty said "Bottom line is this..."? Because he didn't, so before you go on a rant you should get your facts straight.