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[quote=SmootSmack;437920][URL]http://www.redskinswarpath.com/423869-post1.html[/URL]

Whoops. Guess I was wrong about that last line

Betts trade rumors are supposedly more than just idle chatter, but he won't be traded just to be traded.

More than likey, in my opinion, this is like the Kevin Dyson signing of a few years back. Let's see if he even makes it past week 3 of preseason.[/quote]

Yeah, I've heard the Betts trade rumors as well. Of course I don't really think it's a good idea. Especially when you're saying that Portis is going to be an 1,800 yard back, which tells me that the team is going to use him a lot, which in turn makes him an injury risk.

Also just for the sake of putting it out there. I think a lot of us have yet to realize including myself that for all this talk of adding another reciever the true #4 recieving option in this offense after Moss, ARE, and Cooley is probably going to be Portis. In the meantime they might be comfortable with Mix and Thrash as their backups at Reciever as I can't see a whole lot of Recievers they'd be able to take in the third round. That is unless Jerome Simpson or Jordy Nelson drops to them.

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IF he makes the team, he should be given a chance. The organization has had plenty of "troubled" persons in the past. Didn't Gibbs have Dexter Manley? Didn't Gibbs draft the Big Bad Thug in Sean Taylor? (nobody seemed to care about these guys issues on game day) Obviously, Gibbs believes in character but also in giving people second chances. I understand Zorn carries the same mentality. I trust the organization will make the right decisions when it all comes down to it. Think about how many players hit their wives/girlfriends, amongst other things that are frowned upon, that we never hear about or that are never reported. For all we know, half our team could be losers. Doubtful, but possible. I do wonder though if we are still doing thorough background checks on everyone or if we are just overlooking the past now and hoping for a positive present and future.

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[QUOTE=riggins44;437707]I don't see him making the final roster. Wonder why Cartwright hasn't
worked with Brian Mitchell on learning to field punts. If he did it would
only increase his value.

Strange move, but he just may be a warm body for now.[/QUOTE]

Just because Mitchell said that on air doesn't mean he extended a formal invitation for Rock to receive his services, unless he has and I've missed that.

Do we know that Rock knows? Has B. Mitch contacted the organization, or was it just a clip from a show? Did Rock feel he was serious? Does Rock WANT his help. We may never know, it's kind of early right now anyways, could still happen.

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[QUOTE=BleedBurgundy;437726]Bad signing. [B]I wish everyone would just agree to stay away from players who've been arrested for: DUI[/B], Drug Possession/Use or Violence Against Women. Also, regarding the fight with the tight end, I seem to remember another questionable character at wr that was involved in practice field fight: Michael Westbrook. Baaaaad signing.[/QUOTE]

We totally should've cut Sean Taylor when he got arrested, huh?

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[QUOTE=lwiedy;437741]I think it’s “innocent when a woman found by police with red marks on her neck decides like many victims that she’s too frightened to cut ties with someone she’s dependent upon drops the charges”, you mean.[/QUOTE]

Well since you were there I'm on your side.

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[QUOTE=lwiedy;437743]Gee whiz, how unfair!!! How could they possibly suspend him when the charges were dropped? What happened to "innocent until....", no, nevermind.[/QUOTE]

They suspended him when charged.. the charges were dropped after the suspension was over. How dense are you?

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[QUOTE=hesscl34;437853]Just shaking my head.... why am I not surprised.[/QUOTE]

A LOT of domestic and even sexual cases have stronger testimony than what happened and there have been many many which were shown to be that way.. and also many that landed someone in trouble who shouldn't have been.

Duke Lacrosse case is a high profile one. I had a friend accused of rape by a girl and turns out her boyfriend found out (it was at a party) so she lied and that got found out.

On the flip side, I once called the cops while at my cousins' fathers house because of a guy screaming at his wife and her crying violently, though it didn't seem like any violence was going on, it was just over the edge for my comfort level. Their family got pissed at me because apparently they never got a permit to build another house on it (the one the couple was renting) and thought that they would get found out or something. They told me they always fight and there was nothing wrong. 5 months later, he killed her, and I wasn't big enough of a douche to say, "I told you so" but I very well could have.

At the end of the day, it can go either way, and unless you were there, you don't know what happened and neither do I, but it's not my deal to judge and accuse him of something that I know nothing about. Who knows if she was attacking him and he was trying to hold her off? Too much to speculate and I don't see why we have armchair eyewitnesses here.

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Seems to me that there are a lot of people quick to condemn Mathis due to one unproven (but admittedly terrible if true) incident and a fight with a team mate (that is hardly a unique event in such a testosterone driven, aggressive sports environment). Why don't we give the guy a chance and see what happens? Everyone deserves a second chance, surely?

As has already been pointed out, Sean Taylor did not exactly have a shining record as a personal citizen and was involved in a some pretty reprehensible behaviour both on and off the field, but fans soon forgave him because of what he did on the field. Ditto Dexter Manley.

Mathis may turn out to be an ass but let's give him a chance and not condemn him before he even gets here. If he returns the opening kick off for a TD against the Giants on opening day will anyone be complaining about his so called 'character issues'? Didn't think so.

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[QUOTE=jsarno;437826]the "common law" wife could have made it up cause she was being hormonal.[/QUOTE]

Man..this "common law" wife must have amazing powers to convert her imagination into physical choke marks on her neck...what a bee-och....either that or she asked a friend to choke her to make marks or her neck so she could drag this guys name in the mud.....and then decline charging him.

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It's funny how some people can quickly rationalize a player's off the field issues once he signs on to be a Redskin. If he had signed with a division rival I'm sure the majority of people here would be laughing and pointing at what a dumb move this was. I had hoped that the front office had learned their lesson after Lloyd. Not saying it's the same type of move, Mathis isn't going to cost us $10M in bonuses, but I just thought that after Gibbs 2.0 there would be more of a premium on character around Redskins Park. This move was disappointing to me.

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i dont hate this move. I think he will give us at least 2 Kickoff return touchdowns this season.

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People, before you go singing the guy's praises and giving him the benefit of the doubt because Mathis has only been involved with "one" incidient that should concern us, PLEASE do you homework. If you had read the earlier posts in this very thread you would have seen that there was also an incident in which Mathis got into a fight with one of his own teammates. And, a quick visit to NFL.com reveals the following:

"Mathis has had two recent run-ins with the law. In December, he received a misdemeanor citation after his pit bull chewed through a fence and was behaving aggressively. In February, he was charged with assaulting his pregnant common-law wife, a charge that was later dropped at the woman's request."

So we've got 1. fight with teammate; 2. choking his pregnant wife (and leaving red marks according to reports); and 3. letting his mean pit bull chew through a fence (what kind of a dog even does that?......perhaps we can ask Michael Vick). Face it, this guy is a complete poop stain. I don't really care if he returns the ball 10 times for TDs this year, I don't want him on any team I cheer for. Get enough of guys like this and you become the Cowturds or Raiders.....sorry, not willing to pay that kind of price for success. This day in age in the NFL when character means more to most teams that ever before.......well, let's just say I'm just shaking my head over this one and leave it at that.

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his dog got out ok i dont see how that is entirely his fault

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For me, it's not the dog thing, it's the choking thing.

Sure, the charges were dropped, but MAN how do you get into that situation in the first place if you weren't doing SOMETHING wrong?

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;437996]his dog got out ok i dont see how that is entirely his fault[/quote]

Then whose fault is it?

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;437999]For me, it's not the dog thing, it's the choking thing.

Sure, the charges were dropped, but MAN how do you get into that situation in the first place if you weren't doing SOMETHING wrong?[/quote]

Agreed, I'm certainly most outraged by the choking story. Any man that would do that to a pregnant woman is a punk, plain and simple. I don't even care how the confrontation/argument got started.....just walk away.

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When I choke my dog, it's because she walked away. If I would have choked my dog sooner, she wouldn't have gotten pregnant.

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Hes a depth WR, maybe used for PR since Rock doens't do those. He probably signed a veteran minimum deal so if he F's up, a better WR becomes available or just cant produce on the field, they can cut him and not worry about it (no signing/roster bonus = no cap penalty if cut). Since Hackett and Caldwell signed elsewhere, they needed to fill in some depth at WR. Simple as that. Anyone waiting on a big FA signing and being dissappointed with this.... you are an idiot.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;437999]For me, it's not the dog thing, it's the choking thing.

Sure, the charges were dropped, but MAN how do you get into that situation in the first place if you weren't doing SOMETHING wrong?[/quote]

A lot of people used that argument against Sean Taylor and still to this day call him a "thug" because of that ATV situation where charges were DROPPED.

If he stays healthy, he's the best returner (outside of Hester) in the league.

Depth for WR, a great returner...I can't hate this move but I still wonder where it came from.

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[quote=angryssg;438032]When I choke my dog, it's because she walked away. If I would have choked my dog sooner, she wouldn't have gotten pregnant.[/quote]

:lol:

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[quote=1997Prelude;438037]....Anyone waiting on a big FA signing and being dissappointed with this.... you are an idiot.[/quote]

Just so we're clear of who exactly you are deeming to be idiots: is it those who are waiting on a Big FA signing only, or is it anyone who is disappointed with this signing?

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[quote=PSUSkinsFan21;438024]Then whose fault is it?[/quote]


i said not entirely his fault.

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[quote=1997Prelude;438037]Hes a depth WR, maybe used for PR since Rock doens't do those. He probably signed a veteran minimum deal so if he F's up, a better WR becomes available or just cant produce on the field, they can cut him and not worry about it (no signing/roster bonus = no cap penalty if cut). Since Hackett and Caldwell signed elsewhere, they needed to fill in some depth at WR. Simple as that. Anyone waiting on a big FA signing and being dissappointed with this.... you are an idiot.[/quote]


I know you are new, but no need to call anyone an idiot.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;438087]I know you are new, but no need to call anyone an idiot.[/quote]


He has been banned alredy Quake.

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[quote=angryssg;438088]He has been banned alredy Quake.[/quote]


Damn that was quick LOL[IMG]http://www.thewarpath.net/images/icons/icon10.gif[/IMG] What did he do?

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[quote=1997Prelude;438037]Hes a depth WR, maybe used for PR since Rock doens't do those. He probably signed a veteran minimum deal so if he F's up, a better WR becomes available or just cant produce on the field, they can cut him and not worry about it (no signing/roster bonus = no cap penalty if cut). Since Hackett and Caldwell signed elsewhere, they needed to fill in some depth at WR. Simple as that. Anyone waiting on a big FA signing and being dissappointed with this.... you are an idiot.[/quote]

Wow...Jerome drives a '97 Honda. Definitely a disappointment.

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[quote=Buster;438038]A lot of people used that argument against Sean Taylor and still to this day call him a "thug" because of that ATV situation where charges were DROPPED.

If he stays healthy, he's the best returner (outside of Hester) in the league.

Depth for WR, a great returner...I can't hate this move but I still wonder where it came from.[/quote]

Maybe it's the whole idea that it was a woman. Sure, I really would like to know ALL the details about that incident and I definitely believe people need to be given a chance to reprove themselves, but as of now, the guy ranks about a 7-8 on the human excrement meter, below 10s like Pac-man.

If he gives us performance and a whole season without incident, then he drops to a 4-5 next year. It's one of those I could forgive, just not forget type of things.

It would be totally bittersweet for me if the guy who supposedly was choking his pregnant girlfriend is a key piece in our Super Bowl puzzle. What are we? Dallas?

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;437984][B]It's funny how some people can quickly rationalize a player's off the field issues once he signs on to be a Redskin[/B]. If he had signed with a division rival I'm sure the majority of people here would be laughing and pointing at what a dumb move this was. I had hoped that the front office had learned their lesson after Lloyd. Not saying it's the same type of move, Mathis isn't going to cost us $10M in bonuses, but I just thought that after Gibbs 2.0 there would be more of a premium on character around Redskins Park. This move was disappointing to me.[/QUOTE]

Sad but true.

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection;438097]Maybe it's the whole idea that it was a woman. Sure, I really would like to know ALL the details about that incident and I definitely believe people need to be given a chance to reprove themselves, but as of now, the guy ranks about a 7-8 on the human excrement meter, below 10s like Pac-man.

If he gives us performance and a whole season without incident, then he drops to a 4-5 next year. It's one of those I could forgive, just not forget type of things.

It would be totally bittersweet for me if the guy who supposedly was choking his pregnant girlfriend is a key piece in our Super Bowl puzzle. What are we? Dallas?[/QUOTE]

no, he would sign for Dallas if he was [I]convicted[/I], close though

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HA. True.

He must not be good enough for them.

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection;438112]HA. True.

He must not be good enough for them.[/QUOTE]

In that case Chris Henry might be too good for them.

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All I have to say is sometimes you don't get the whole story and things may be different then they seem...

For example. One of my good friends is in a domestic situation right now where he hasn't been able to see his kids all weekend due to his wife calling the cops on him last thursday. She said that he threw boiling water at her... I know this guy very, very well and he would never, ever do that.. he tells me that they were fighting at the dinner table and he got up and threw his plate in the sink. His 5 year old son tells it the same way.

Yet he was unable talk to his kids or sleep in his bed all weekend even though he was not charged with anything. I'm not saying that he didn't do anything wrong, they fight all the time and you shouldn't lose your temper like that... but it did not go down like she said and when all this shakes out who knows how this will look on his record.

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From what JLC said Mathis's contract is not too high and contains NO BONUS - so cap wise it has zero impact - plus it contains protection to the Skins in case of injury.....

[url=http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/]Redskins Insider[/url]
[B]Mathis Contract[/B]

[FONT=Times New Roman,times,serif]Forgot to include this in the earlier post.
Mathis's 1 yr vet minimum deal came with no bonus - obviously in this case - and he could earn $520,000 if he makes it all 17 paychecks. The deal is "split" which means it has provisions that would allow the Skins to pay him less should he be placed on IR.
For those of you who believed DJ Hackett would have been the best solution to the Skins search for a young, tall receiver (or at least believed he was a talent worthy of at least a legit offer), here are the numbers on his deal, too:
Hackett got $750,000 to sign, the only guaranteed money in his two year deal. He could earn a max of $3.5 million over those two years.
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[QUOTE=DGreene28;438128]All I have to say is sometimes you don't get the whole story and things may be different then they seem...

For example. [B]One of my good friends is in a domestic situation right now [/B]where he hasn't been able to see his kids all weekend due to his wife calling the cops on him last thursday. She said that he threw boiling water at her... I know this guy very, very well and he would never, ever do that.. he tells me that they were fighting at the dinner table and he got up and threw his plate in the sink. His 5 year old son tells it the same way.

Yet he was unable talk to his kids or sleep in his bed all weekend even though he was not charged with anything. I'm not saying that he didn't do anything wrong, they fight all the time and you shouldn't lose your temper like that... but it did not go down like she said and when all this shakes out who knows how this will look on his record.[/QUOTE]

Gee whiz, what a shock. I’m sorry that sound so cruel but your constant defense of such behavior must be routed in something personal.

Yes, I am very critical of bad behavior. But behavior (unless you are psychotic) is a choice and times I have had a overwhelming feelings of rage but the only thing that separates us from the animals is our ability to know that ACTING on our emotions in this way is wrong and should not be tolerated.

The constant rationalization of criminal behavior may not explain why it happens but it certainly explains why it happens so often.

I know you will ignore this or worse, turn it in to some sort of justification for your position, but maybe someday the light will go on for you, good luck.

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[QUOTE=Bill B;438151]From what JLC said Mathis's contract is not too high and contains NO BONUS - so cap wise it has zero impact - plus it contains protection to the Skins in case of injury.....

[url=http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/]Redskins Insider[/url]
[B]Mathis Contract[/B]

[FONT=Times New Roman,times,serif]Forgot to include this in the earlier post.
Mathis's 1 yr vet minimum deal came with no bonus - obviously in this case - and he could earn $520,000 if he makes it all 17 paychecks. The deal is "split" which means it has provisions that would allow the Skins to pay him less should he be placed on IR.
For those of you who believed DJ Hackett would have been the best solution to the Skins search for a young, tall receiver (or at least believed he was a talent worthy of at least a legit offer), here are the numbers on his deal, too:
Hackett got $750,000 to sign, the only guaranteed money in his two year deal. He could earn a max of $3.5 million over those two years.
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Good to hear we didn't shell out big bucks for him.

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C'mon, he's a hometown product, that's going to work out. Regardless of pay, he can play. Somebody call up Darnerian McCants.

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[quote=tryfuhl;437965]We totally should've cut Sean Taylor when he got arrested, huh?[/quote]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Wow, and it gets worse. Sean T didn't choke his girlfriend... he was defending HIS stolen property (and was caught up in the process)... kind of like he was defending his family when he was KILLED!!!!!!!!!!!!! To use ST as a comparison to this guy? Are you kidding me???? He loved his girlfriend AND his daughter!!! Not to mention the love we all feel for him as a Redskin??[/FONT][/COLOR]
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[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Go have a few drinks with some others on this board that seem to share your opinion. You guys can have your fun. I've seen and heard quite enough.... Ciao. [/FONT][/COLOR]
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Everybody, deserves a second chance. I am glad to see that the Redskins are taking a chance on a guy like this. If you are looking to find a diamond in the ruff, you will have to do alot of shaping and polishing, before it is a finished product. I hope it works out.

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[quote=hesscl34;438197][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Wow, and it gets worse. Sean T didn't choke his girlfriend... he was defending HIS stolen property (and was caught up in the process)... kind of like he was defending his family when he was KILLED!!!!!!!!!!!!! To use ST as a comparison to this guy? Are you kidding me???? He loved his girlfriend AND his daughter!!! Not to mention the love we all feel for him as a Redskin??[/FONT][/COLOR][/B]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Go have a few drinks with some others on this board that seem to share your opinion. You guys can have your fun. I've seen and heard quite enough.... Ciao. [/FONT][/COLOR]
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I am gonna have to agree with hess here, ST and mathis are not comparable at all. Mathis has a clear track record of fighting with teammates(which ST never did everyone loved him) and ST did not harm those who he loved(girlfriend, etc).

I do think you are going too far however in saying members should go and have a drink with other people. Many males on this board agree with you hess and you dont have to turn everything into a personal vendetta against this site.

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pop a chill pill everybody!! geez its not like we signed this guy for seven years and $20 million. If it doesnt work out, we cut him. We cut our losses and just be glad it wasnt another Brandon Lloyd. He is here to return kicks and provide depth. If he was coming in as our #1 or even #3 guy I may have something to say. He is highly expendable and could lose his job to a draft pick. How many other players on our roster can you say that about? Wish the draft would hurry up and get here. this silence is going to cause everyone to kill each other.