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[QUOTE=70Chip;448832]One the whole...

... Lot's of groups are this and that but if you say it you often get into trouble. Also, Preparation H does feel good...

..on the whole.[/QUOTE]

I'm not quite sure I follow.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;448834]I'm not quite sure I follow.[/quote]

It's not important.

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Obama draws [URL="http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/05/18/obama-draws-record-crowd-in-oregon/?hp"]75,000 in Oregon[/URL]. That's insane.

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[quote=saden1;448549]I said nothing of the people of WV being racist. I am, however, saying that they are as diverse as platypuses and as educated as Neanderthals. And of course you can also take a look at the [URL="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21226014"]exit polls [/URL]and make your own judgment.[/quote]

way to fight racism with ignorance and hate. i bet you make friends really easily.

that poll you linked to did show 20% as stating that race was a factor, but even if you re-aligned that completely, obama still loses by double digits.

yeah, there are racists in west virginia, but calling the entire state inbred and retarded or what have you makes you just as guilty and a hypocrite for calling them out with such generalities while thinking that you're any better.

i mean, if there's a place for the race card, this is it, but that's just simply not the reason he lost here... it's only part of the reason. the poor and uneducated just aren't on obama's bandwagon, and calling anyone that doesn't vote for him names doesn't help.

call the racists racist, but don't call the people that simply don't agree with him (or you) racists.

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This may sound far flung but I think the Cosby Show is instructive here. Shelby Steele has pointed out that Cosby basically made an unspoken deal with the American public that he would not challenge them on their racist past and in exchange he woud be accepted as mainstream. He gets success and the whites get to come down off the hook for 30 minutes a week and feel like things are progressing on the race front. Oprah Winfrey, Tiger Woods, Micheal Jordan, Sammy Davis, and many others have entered into a similiar bargain. "Roots" was one of the highest rated television events in history because it embodied this same spirit. As long as he stays within those parameters he's golden. This was why Billl Clinton tried to compare him to Jesse Jackson. Jackson is what Steele calls a "challenger". He never misses a chance to remind whites of their sins. Clinton instinctively understands that this is the game and he was trying to de-Cosby Obama a little bit. It doesn't appear to have been enough to win the war but maybe it was helpful in West Virginia. I say this to point out that the race issue is not as simple as enlightened whites vs. peckerwood racists. There's a lot of subconcious stuff going on. Under the surface resentments on both sides have a great impact on things even though we don't realize it. Bill Clinton, I would suggest, is angry right now with Black America because he feels betrayed by them even though even the most ardent Obama booster would be loathe to acknowledge it. The overt racists, to the extent that they really exist, are not the issue we really face. Nobody thinks of themselves in those terms and nobody wants to be accused of being racist. That's why Obama has to be careful.

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[quote=That Guy;448979]way to fight racism with ignorance and hate. i bet you make friends really easily.

that poll you linked to did show 20% as stating that race was a factor, but even if you re-aligned that completely, obama still loses by double digits.

yeah, there are racists in west virginia, but calling the entire state inbred and retarded or what have you makes you just as guilty and a hypocrite for calling them out with such generalities while thinking that you're any better.

i mean, if there's a place for the race card, this is it, but that's just simply not the reason he lost here... it's only part of the reason. the poor and uneducated just aren't on obama's bandwagon, and calling anyone that doesn't vote for him names doesn't help.

call the racists racist, but don't call the people that simply don't agree with him (or you) racists.[/quote]

No, I don't make friends easily because I have no use for them. Frankly, I don't have the type of personality that seeks approval from people. There's many reasons for my ailment but it's mosly due to being an elitist liberal that's allergic to stupid people.

What part of "West Virginians are [URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/www.census.gov/prod/2003pubs/c2kbr-24.pdf"]dead last[/URL] in college education and that only 14.8% have completed college" or the fact that "it's 96% white" doesn't agree with you? Next time try reading my posts and do try to concentrate while reading, you might actually comprehend what I said before you go on a rant that takes my post to another dimension and warps it...don't put any words in my mouth. There's nothing more to what I have said beyond what I wrote.

p.s. If it makes you feel better Alabama and Mississippi are in the same boat in terms of being as educated as Neanderthals.

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[quote=saden1;448981]No, I don't make friends easily because I have no use for them. Frankly, I don't have the type of personality that seeks approval from people. There's many reasons for my ailment but it's mosly due to being an elitist liberal that's allergic to stupid people.

What part of "West Virginians are [URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/www.census.gov/prod/2003pubs/c2kbr-24.pdf"]dead last[/URL] in college education and that only 12.3% have completed college" or the fact that "it's 96% white" doesn't agree with you? Next time try reading my posts and do try to concentrate while reading, you might actually comprehend what I said before you go on a rant...and don't f'ing put any words in my mouth.

p.s. If it makes you feel better Alabama and Mississippi are in the same boat in terms of being as educated as Neanderthals.[/quote]

William Faulkner was from Mississippi. Ditto Eudora Welty, Shelby Foote, and Walker Percy. Obama is probably going to win this election. There's no reason to tar entire groups of people like this over one electoral setback.

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[quote=70Chip;448983]William Faulkner was from Mississippi. Ditto Eudora Welty, Shelby Foote, and Walker Percy. Obama is probably going to win this election. There's no reason to tar entire groups of people like this over one electoral setback.[/quote]

Dropping the names of a few exceptional people doesn't change the facts. What exactly I've said bothers you or do you find objectionable? Was it the Neanderthal reference? Saying the state is full of uneducated people is a fair statement, the numbers back it up and I make no apologies for that.

If Obama wins the election that's great, if he loses, life will go on. I'm good to go either way and I have no real vested interest beyond what most Americans have in terms of seeing this country getting it's act together.

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[quote=saden1;448981]No, I don't make friends easily because I have no use for them. Frankly, I don't have the type of personality that seeks approval from people. There's many reasons for my ailment but it's mosly due to being an elitist liberal that's allergic to stupid people.

What part of "West Virginians are [URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/www.census.gov/prod/2003pubs/c2kbr-24.pdf"]dead last[/URL] in college education and that only 14.8% have completed college" or the fact that "it's 96% white" doesn't agree with you? Next time try reading my posts and do try to concentrate while reading, you might actually comprehend what I said before you go on a rant that takes my post to another dimension and warps it...don't put any words in my mouth. There's nothing more to what I have said beyond what I wrote.

p.s. If it makes you feel better Alabama and Mississippi are in the same boat in terms of being as educated as Neanderthals.[/quote]

and here i thought you were talking about the race question at the bottom of the link. my bad, i just remember the last time i saw you posting on political threads and thought you were going back there again (you know, when you actually did call everyone on the board a racist).

sorry for jumping the gun.

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[quote=That Guy;448987]and here i thought you were talking about the race question at the bottom of the link. my bad, i just remember the last time i saw you posting on political threads and thought you were going back there again ([B]you know, when you actually did call everyone on the board a racist[/B]).

sorry for jumping the gun.[/quote]

I protest with absolute certainty that I have never done that!

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[quote=saden1;448977]Obama draws [URL="http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/05/18/obama-draws-record-crowd-in-oregon/?hp"]75,000 in Oregon[/URL]. That's insane.

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Impressive indeed, but lets see him do that in a state that's not 90% socialist. ;)

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[quote=Buster;449030]Impressive indeed, but lets see him do that in a state that's not 90% socialist. ;)[/quote]

Oregon use to be a swing state, makes you wonder what happened to turn it into a socialist state ;) I guess they lost their ways and joined the dark side.

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You know, 75K is an impressive number by any measurement for either party.

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[quote=saden1;449034]Oregon use to be a swing state, makes you wonder what happened to turn it into a socialist state ;) I guess they lost their ways and joined the dark side.[/quote]

And Kansas used to be the heart of the Populism. Don't know much about Oregon, but if your statements are true then perhaps they haven't erased economics from their understanding of class.

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[QUOTE=Buster;449030]Impressive indeed, but lets see him do that in a state that's not 90% socialist. ;)[/QUOTE]

Actually Buster Kerry narrowly carried Oregon 51 to 47 percent in the 04 election.

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Well, she's definitely not going anywhere:
[url=http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080519/pl_nm/usa_politics_dc_104]Clinton to Obama: Not so fast - Yahoo! News[/url]

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[quote=saden1;448999]I protest with absolute certainty that I have never done that![/quote]

damn, am i confusing you with someone else then? if so i feel really bad about it and the whole misunderstanding is completely and totally on me.

matty or ss may remember, but it was a few years ago...

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[QUOTE=That Guy;449163]damn, am i confusing you with someone else then? if so i feel really bad about it and the whole misunderstanding is completely and totally on me.

matty or ss may remember, but it was a few years ago...[/QUOTE]

You're thinking of either wewhite3/ST21 or more likely SUNRA. Not Saden

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[quote=SmootSmack;449165]You're thinking of either wewhite3/ST21 or more likely SUNRA. Not Saden[/quote]

yeah, it was SUNRA... i should have known it wasn't saden cause of the ring and such, but again, my fault. I was reading saden's posts through a bias (due to mistaken identity) and totally jumped on him in improper fashion since he isn't the guy that said the things that SUNRA had said.

totally sorry, my fault, well wishes, sorry.
--That Guy/

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[quote=That Guy;449168]yeah, it was SUNRA... i should have known it wasn't saden cause of the ring and such, but again, my fault. I was reading saden's posts through a bias (due to mistaken identity) and totally jumped on him in improper fashion since he isn't the guy that said the things that SUNRA had said.

totally sorry, my fault, well wishes, sorry.
--That Guy/[/quote]

No problem.

I'd like to take this moment to apologies for the use of the word Neanderthal. I can see how it can be received as insulting and there's really no need to use such demeaning word.

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all kind of love being passed around on the warpath- it brings a tear to my eye

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[quote=djnemo65;449120]Actually Buster Kerry narrowly carried Oregon 51 to 47 percent in the 04 election.[/quote]

Yes, John Kerry...the perfect example of an ideal candidate. :D

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Ahhh....[B]Wewhite[/B]........memories....that's beautiful

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[QUOTE=Buster;449212]Yes, John Kerry...the perfect example of an ideal candidate. :D[/QUOTE]

I'm just saying it's pretty much a swing state so what you said, even though intended to be funny, didn't make any sense.

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[quote=saden1;448977]Obama draws [URL="http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/05/18/obama-draws-record-crowd-in-oregon/?hp"]75,000 in Oregon[/URL]. That's insane.

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Ineresting omission by the media. :D

[url=http://newsbusters.org/blogs/robert-knight/2008/05/20/free-concert-popular-band-preceded-obama-s-big-rally]Free Concert by Popular Band Preceded Obama’s Big Rally | NewsBusters.org[/url]

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[QUOTE=Buster;449592]Ineresting omission by the media. :D

[url=http://newsbusters.org/blogs/robert-knight/2008/05/20/free-concert-popular-band-preceded-obama-s-big-rally]Free Concert by Popular Band Preceded Obama’s Big Rally | NewsBusters.org[/url][/QUOTE]

Yeah, but those kinds of things are pretty common. Repubs and Dems often use bands, celebrities and other politicians to help draw crowds. It's pretty hard to deny that Obama has a big and devoted "fan base."

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I'm sure that 75,000 people weren't there just to see The Decemberists. I'm pretty up to date with music and I have no idea who they even are. Their last album peaked at #35 on the Billboard 200, I guess they're not exactly a household name so maybe that's why some papers didn't report it? I mean if it was Springsteen or someone like that I'm sure that would have been news.

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[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;448532]I think we all agree that racism, in whatever form, should cease. The question here is whether it is racist to vote for a presidential candidate in part or whole because that candidate is black.

If your answer is yes, why? I assume your response is that any decision which is affected by someone's race is inherently a racist one. If that is the case, does that mean President Nixon was a racist because his administration aggressively pushed affirmative action? Or how about people who choose not to date people from a similar ethnic background? Does that mean that people who won't adopt kids from outside their race are racist?

I think it's sometimes difficult to discern what is really racist.[/QUOTE]

Im sorry but the answer to all of your questions is yes.It is racist to not adopt a kid just because of race.It is racist to not date someone just because of race.And when it comes down to it, affirmitve action is racist ,even though it was needed and has probably done a lot of good.To me, anything that gives someone an advantage or disadvatage based only on race is racist.I believe the words race, age, and sex should be wiped off of any and all applications and tests.That information is just not relevent and grouping people like that only serves to push a wedge between people.

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[quote=Mattyk72;449597]I'm sure that 75,000 people weren't there just to see The Decemberists. I'm pretty up to date with music and I have no idea who they even are. Their last album peaked at #35 on the Billboard 200, I guess they're not exactly a household name so maybe that's why some papers didn't report it? I mean if it was Springsteen or someone like that I'm sure that would have been news.[/quote]
Its a Partland based band which means that the people in Partland (which was the site of the rally" would know them before they hit the big times. I saw the Dave Matthews Band before they went big time and if I would have posted it on a National site who I saw about 99% of the people would have said "Dave WHo" and a year latter about 90% would know the name. I think he was very smart to use the band but the media was just doing what the media does best. Thats why like 85% of the media admitted to voting Dem. and it shows in their reporting.

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[quote=firstdown;449611]Its a Partland based band which means that the people in Partland (which was the site of the rally" would know them before they hit the big times. [B]I saw the Dave Matthews Band before they went big time and if I would have posted it on a National site who I saw about 99% of the people would have said "Dave WHo" and a year latter about 90% would know the name.[/B] I think he was very smart to use the band but the media was just doing what the media does best. Thats why like 85% of the media admitted to voting Dem. and it shows in their reporting.[/quote]

That's basically my point. A local band isn't going to get much of a mention nationally.

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People started lining up 7 hours prior to hear a great local band, after the band was done they stuck around for Obama's speech because the weather was simply too good to pass up. The whole thing wasn't even a political rally, it was a free concert!!!

p.s. I'm curious, when is McCain going to start piggybacking on great local bands?

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I know, it's a joke the way the media reports these things. Like earlier in February when Tom Petty rocked a concert for over a billion worldwide viewers and all anyone wanted to report about was some football game.

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[quote=Mattyk72;449662]That's basically my point. A local band isn't going to get much of a mention nationally.[/quote]


I thought your point was that The Decemeberists could not help draw 75,000 people because you had never heard of them and you are pretty up to date on music.

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[QUOTE=djnemo65;449675]I know, it's a joke the way the media reports these things. Like earlier in February when Tom Petty rocked a concert for over a billion worldwide viewers and all anyone wanted to report about was some football game.[/QUOTE]

Classic :)

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The Decemberists are pretty big in the west coast indie scene... I like their song, "Los Angeles, I'm Yours." It would have been pretty funny if they performed that one before Obama's speech. Not sure how the lines "Oh ladies pleasant and demure, Sallow-cheeked and sure... I can see your undies" would have played out.

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[quote=70Chip;449735]I thought your point was that The Decemeberists could not help draw 75,000 people because you had never heard of them and you are pretty up to date on music.[/quote]

I said this:

I guess they're not exactly a household name so maybe that's why some papers didn't report it? I mean if it was Springsteen or someone like that I'm sure that would have been news.

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Last I heard Clinton will wind up w/ more popular votes than Obama, which means a lot of people will be scratching their head when he is the nominee. Basically, he is the guy unless he implodes i.e. scandal, insanity, spontaneous combustion... but Clinton will have more legitimacy than him. I think there will be a lot of pressure on Obama to pick her as VP because she will have won the popular vote even though she may not be the best choice.

Also, i think Obama should have put an apostrophe in his name (not f'ing around here). Lots of immigrants have done this to "Americanize" their names and it actually works.

O ' b a m a. Now he's like a black irishman or something. I wonder if the two of my employees who believe he is Muslim and not an American citizen might have thought twice about their assumptions if they'd seen O'bama four years ago instead of Obama. Just a thought.

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I know you wouldn't want to be taken out of context:


[quote=Mattyk72;449597]I'm sure that 75,000 people weren't there just to see The Decemberists. I'm pretty up to date with music and I have no idea who they even are. Their last album peaked at #35 on the Billboard 200, I guess they're not exactly a household name so maybe that's why some papers didn't report it? I mean if it was Springsteen or someone like that I'm sure that would have been news.[/quote]

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[QUOTE=The Goat;449802]Last I heard Clinton will wind up w/ more popular votes than Obama, which means a lot of people will be scratching their head when he is the nominee. Basically, he is the guy unless he implodes i.e. scandal, insanity, spontaneous combustion... but Clinton will have more legitimacy than him. I think there will be a lot of pressure on Obama to pick her as VP because she will have won the popular vote even though she may not be the best choice.[/QUOTE]

That's if you include Michigan and Florida. Unlike Hillary, Obama didn't campaign in either of those states. The counts I've seen so far which exclude MI and FL show that Obama has a 500k vote lead.

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[quote=70Chip;449808]I know you wouldn't want to be taken out of context:[/quote]

I'm aware of what my full post said the second part was my primary point... never mind.