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I have bad feeling this doesn't end well for Favre...

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[QUOTE=onlydarksets;456270]I have bad feeling this doesn't end well for Favre...[/QUOTE]

If he could some how get released and go to the Vikings it might end alright for Favre but not the Packers. But I don't see G.B ever letting that happen.

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Wouldnt it be kinda funny if he got traded to Alanta?

He could end his career where it all started.

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[QUOTE=mlmpetert;456277]Wouldnt it be kinda funny if he got traded to Alanta?

He could end his career where it all started.[/QUOTE]

I think that would be the most likely scenario, but would Favre want to play for a rebuilding team? I think he's trying to come back another year to win a Super Bowl, and I don't think that there is current team that is in Super Bowl contention that would need a QB

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[QUOTE=Jamaican'Skin;456283]I think that would be the most likely scenario, but would Favre want to play for a rebuilding team? I think he's trying to come back another year to win a Super Bowl, and I don't think that there is current team that is in Super Bowl contention that would need a QB[/QUOTE]

Except for the Packers......How can he do this to Green Bay? Favre should hang up is cleets or sign with the Montreal Alouettes or the Edmonton Eskimos and get himself a Grey Cup.

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Yeah I dont buy that he would come back to play for a rebuilding team either. I think the only team thats needs a QB and could possibly make it to the Superbowl next year is Minn., well maybe also NYG or Dal. And no way they release him to take that chance.

I got to wonder if he wants to come back for a couple seasons.

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If Vince Lombardi can come to the Redskins from the Packers, so can Farve. I know the Redskins season ticket holders, including myself, would love to see it. They would surely sell more beer at the games, too. Hey, we did average 20.9 points a game last year. That is not enough.

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i'm not sure an established team would really be eager to pull their current starter for him for 1 year... i mean, he'd help the redskins for 1 season, but with a new coach and campbell healthy, i don't think it's in our long term interests to do that.

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It should be interesting to see how this plays out. I have to admit I almost wish we were in the market for a QB. He's undoubtedly going to go to a contender, he could really tip the balance of wherever he goes. Tampa and Carolina seem like a couple of logical destinations.

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=williamson_bill&id=3474482]ESPN - Now that Favre has requested freedom, consider his 32 options - NFL[/url]

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If I'm another team, such as Carolina perhaps, I might be tempted to call the Packers up and say "what do you want for Aaron Rodgers?" Then the Packers save themselves from any PR mess by not having to trade away Favre and they can just develop Brohm for 2009 or whenever.

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I have a feeling this is going to get ugly for the Packers organization......

Let it get out that the organization forced him to retire. or...
The organization does not want him back. or....
They only want him to be second fiddle...

I have to belive fans will be upset. Thay may lose alot of money. The problem is the organization pushed Bret to the forefront as the face of the team and kept him there through thick and thin. Now the organization wants to wrestle the organization back from Bret. not good.

Possible locations for him (so I thought)
Atlanta (first came to mind, they need a QB and he started there)
Miami (they need a QB bad)
Carolina (didn't come to mind but possibility)
New Orleans
Denver
Jags (?)
Tampa (but only because they are trying to corner the market on QB's)
Cheifs
Jets

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favre isn't going to a loser, so half those teams just won't work. TB is most likely, minn would be the best, but GB probably doesn't want that happening.

if some team has a severe QB pre-season injury, like denver or carolina or etc, then favre is definitely in play.

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Favre should be allowed to come back to Green Bay. Best chance they have this year trying to win it all! I think they should trade Rodgers for needs. Drafting 2 QBs wasn't a bad idea not knowing if Brett was gonna play. Packers management caught with their pants down... If he doesn't return to GB I'd expect to see him in Tampa, Minnesota or Seattle. I think Favre would take a back up job with Holmgren...

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[quote=Luxorreb;456418]Favre should be allowed to come back to Green Bay. Best chance they have this year trying to win it all! I think they should trade Rodgers for needs. Drafting 2 QBs wasn't a bad idea not knowing if Brett was gonna play. Packers management caught with their pants down... If he doesn't return to GB I'd expect to see him in Tampa, Minnesota or Seattle. I think Favre would take a back up job with Holmgren...[/quote]

wtf is the point of coming back to be a backup? that's not going to help his streak or anything, and at 12mill, i doubt seattle wants him.

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He's definitely not going through all of this to return as a backup. That's just ridiculous.

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[url=http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080713/PKR01/807130683/1058]Thompson tells his side of story | greenbaypressgazette.com | Green Bay Press-Gazette[/url]

[QUOTE]In an interview Saturday morning with The Associated Press, Packers coach Mike McCarthy said the tone of Favre's intentions changed in June. According to McCarthy, Favre called on June 20 with the message: "Give me my helmet or give me my release." But McCarthy said Favre remained unsure he could commit 100 percent to football.

Only on Tuesday — in a conference call between Thompson, McCarthy, Favre and Favre's agent, Bus Cook — did Favre say he was committed to playing.

"Was it convincing? I'd say yes," McCarthy said. "But that was the first time, July 8, that I'd ever heard him say (he was committed). And he continually, from (June) 21 to July 8, told (offensive line coach) James Campen that he was not going to play. So, that's a pretty important piece of the puzzle."[/QUOTE]

Well that's something. "Give me my helmet or give me my release" That must be the modern day "Give me liberty or give me death!"

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Looking at Packers message boards, it's really interesting how many Packers fans (nearly all) are siding with Favre and not Ted Thompson. Makes you wonder how rabid Packers fans for the past two decades really have been. Have they just been rooting for Favre all this time?

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[QUOTE=SBXVII;456378]I have a feeling this is going to get ugly for the Packers organization......

Let it get out that the organization forced him to retire. or...
The organization does not want him back. or....
They only want him to be second fiddle...

I have to belive fans will be upset. Thay may lose alot of money. The problem is the organization pushed Bret to the forefront as the face of the team and kept him there through thick and thin. Now the organization wants to wrestle the organization back from Bret. not good.

Possible locations for him (so I thought)
Atlanta (first came to mind, they need a QB and he started there)
Miami (they need a QB bad)
Carolina (didn't come to mind but possibility)
New Orleans
Denver
Jags (?)
Tampa (but only because they are trying to corner the market on QB's)
Cheifs
Jets[/QUOTE]

Include us in the list JC would want to have the guy he looked up to too show him how things are done. Not only that but one year here and means playoff than why not. JC could learn so much and Favre could fasten up our offense and get the O clicking quicker than expected. While JC takes pressure of him self by benching for one more year and know the playbook.

With JC this year( Every one expects 4-12/ or 5-11) i expect 7-9

With Favre( 12-4)

The D should still be good and with more weapons here than why not give it an shot.

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[QUOTE=smoot27;456473]Include us in the list JC would want to have the guy he looked up to too show him how things are done. Not only that but one year here and means playoff than why not. JC could learn so much and Favre could fasten up our offense and get the O clicking quicker than expected. While JC takes pressure of him self by benching for one more year and know the playbook.

With JC this year( Every one expects 4-12/ or 5-11) i expect 7-9

With Favre( 12-4)

The D should still be good and with more weapons here than why not give it an shot.[/QUOTE]

I'm sure Campbell would rather actually play.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;456474]I'm sure Campbell would rather actually play.[/QUOTE]

I don't know, this is alot of pressure where putting on him. If i was him( and i'm no where as good as him) but i would actully like to sit down for one year trying to erase that Al's BS playbook and know our team knows the WCO perfectly next year.


I just don't want JC on that term( one bad year = new QB) type of thing. Although Brennan is tempting.

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[QUOTE=smoot27;456475]I don't know, this is alot of pressure where putting on him. If i was him( and i'm no where as good as him) but i would actully like to sit down for one year trying to erase that Al's BS playbook and know our team knows the WCO perfectly next year.


I just don't want JC on that term( one bad year = new QB) type of thing. Although Brennan is tempting.[/QUOTE]

I don't know what you're getting at with the Brennan bit at the end, you lost me there.

But as for Campbell wanting to sit down a year, that seems pretty ridiculous. I mean imagine you're Jim Zorn, Vinny Cerrato, or Dan Snyder and Campbell comes up to you and says "This is too hard for me, I want to sit out a year" I don't know what you'd think, but my first reaction would be "Good riddance, you're getting paid millions to play a [u]competitive[/u] sport. If you don't want to compete, you don't gotta go home but you gotta go."

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;456477]I don't know what you're getting at with the Brennan bit at the end, you lost me there.

But as for Campbell wanting to sit down a year, that seems pretty ridiculous. I mean imagine you're Jim Zorn, Vinny Cerrato, or Dan Snyder and Campbell comes up to you and says "This is too hard for me, I want to sit out a year" I don't know what you'd think, but my first reaction would be "Good riddance, you're getting paid millions to play a [u]competiive[/u]. If you don't want to compete, you don't gotta go home but you gotta go."[/QUOTE]

JC would want to start of course, but the reason i'm saying bench him for one year *for Favre* is for Favre should progress the O alot faster. If you have JC this year he could end up not the high expectation, but where saying 20 TD's 10 INT's and stuff which is good how ever the team is gonna take time. I mean alot of us have said JC well end up good in 3 years (just cause of the progress) but bring Favre in here would speed things up.


I say JC wouldn't mind at all. This is his role-model and JC could learn alot from Favre . These Rookie WR's could take time too but maybe with Favre who knows we could have one of them 600-700 yards. Its not an superbowl run no, but this sure as hell could speed things up epically if Zorn is new and the offensive coordinator is new i mean really how good are we sure this O can be?.

All i'm saying is why not..........one year is all we need JC could start next year all he wants and no more QB's at all but its gonna be an problem for alot of us skins if he doesn't act quick. But basically this is all progress and when i saw Romo come of the bench I thought he would suck,but again he was benched and what happened?. If your saying JC is gonna complain if he doesn't start ...nop i doubt it, JC also said he learned alot in one day from Favre and there both from the same place so i dont see why not.

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GB should just clean their hands of this mess and flat out release him and sign a vet. back-up like Culpepper. Just cause Farve played well last year doesn't mean he can repeat that performace a year later. He hasn't been working out all off season or doing any of the OTA's/minicamps. Sorry but he's not going to walk into someones camp and light the world on fire. If I were Ted T. I'd let him go and turn the page. Enough is enough. Let someone else deal with this drama.

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[QUOTE=smoot27;456479]JC would want to start of course, but the reason i'm saying bench him for one year *for Favre* is for Favre should progress the O alot faster. If you have JC this year he could end up not the high expectation, but where saying 20 TD's 10 INT's and stuff which is good how ever the team is gonna take time. I mean alot of us have said JC well end up good in 3 years (just cause of the progress) but bring Favre in here would speed things up.


I say JC wouldn't mind at all. This is his role-model and JC could learn alot from Favre . These Rookie WR's could take time too but maybe with Favre who knows we could have one of them 600-700 yards. Its not an superbowl run no, but this sure as hell could speed things up epically if Zorn is new and the offensive coordinator is new i mean really how good are we sure this O can be?.

All i'm saying is why not..........one year is all we need JC could start next year all he wants and no more QB's at all but its gonna be an problem for alot of us skins if he doesn't act quick. But basically this is all progress and when i saw Romo come of the bench I thought he would suck,but again he was benched and what happened?. If your saying JC is gonna complain if he doesn't start ...nop i doubt it, JC also said he learned alot in one day from Favre and there both from the same place so i dont see why not.[/QUOTE]

I guess I just don't get what it would be speeding up. I mean you even say it's not a Super Bowl run. It doesn't speed anything up if he (Favre) just leaves after one non-Super Bowl year with the Redskins.

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[quote=smoot27;456479]JC would want to start of course, but the reason i'm saying bench him for one year *for Favre* is for Favre should progress the O alot faster. If you have JC this year he could end up not the high expectation, but where saying 20 TD's 10 INT's and stuff which is good how ever the team is gonna take time. I mean alot of us have said JC well end up good in 3 years (just cause of the progress) but [B]bring Favre in here would speed things up[/B] [FONT=&quot][/FONT].


[B]I say JC wouldn't mind at all[/B]. This is his role-model and JC could learn alot from Favre . These Rookie WR's could take time too but maybe with Favre who knows we could have one of them 600-700 yards. Its not an superbowl run no, but this sure as hell could speed things up epically if Zorn is new and the offensive coordinator is new i mean really how good are we sure this O can be?.

All i'm saying is why not..........one year is all we need JC could start next year all he wants and no more QB's at all but its gonna be an problem for alot of us skins if he doesn't act quick. But basically this is all progress and when i saw Romo come of the bench I thought he would suck,but again he was benched and what happened?. [B]If your saying JC is gonna complain if he doesn't start ...nop i doubt it[/B], JC also said he learned alot in one day from Favre and there both from the same place so i dont see why not.[/quote]
I'd stay down on this one, if I were you. It just doesn't make sense.

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[quote=SmootSmack;456472]Looking at Packers message boards, it's really interesting how many Packers fans (nearly all) are siding with Favre and not Ted Thompson. Makes you wonder how rabid Packers fans for the past two decades really have been. Have they just been rooting for Favre all this time?[/quote]

What? You don't think any loyal fan base would be the same as Packers right now? I know we don't have any long term Skin future HOF'ers on the team now but we all wanted to let Darrell Green play as long as [B][U][I][SIZE=3]he[/SIZE][/I][/U][/B] wanted. Nickel, dime, punt return, didn't matter. An NFL MVP and SB winning QB gets even more loyalty than a CB.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;456485]I guess I just don't get what it would be speeding up. I mean you even say it's not a Super Bowl run. It doesn't speed anything up if he (Favre) just leaves after one non-Super Bowl year with the Redskins.[/QUOTE]

But sure as hell will speed the O up from three years too just one. I mean again if Zorn felt comfortable with the passing than why did he say" where gonna run the ball alot *in meaning 70% of the time*. And its no harm there when you have CP back at his best with the scheme he did similar to Broncos.

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[QUOTE=onlydarksets;456488]I'd stay down on this one, if I were you. It just doesn't make sense.[/QUOTE]
It would make sense to know an QB has the most pressure on the team to do something instead of just learning one year under the guy he looks up too( as well as Mcnair).


To be honest would you want to start in an new offense and know if you mist up bad this year could mean alot?. Not to mention more pressure after and having an un-questionable QB drafted to maybe end up taking your spot?.

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sorry, smoot, but in one day you've done enough to land on my ignore list... that's really quite a feat. I'd argue your points, but... well, it'd be pointless.

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[QUOTE=That Guy;456516]sorry, smoot, but in one day you've done enough to land on my ignore list... that's really quite a feat. I'd argue your points, but... well, it'd be pointless.[/QUOTE]

I'm hurt...oh, wait

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[quote=smoot27;456508]It would make sense to know an QB has the most pressure on the team to do something instead of just learning one year under the guy he looks up too( as well as Mcnair).


To be honest would you want to start in an new offense and know if you mist up bad this year could mean alot?. Not to mention more pressure after and having an un-questionable QB drafted to maybe end up taking your spot?.[/quote]
Seriously - I don't mean this to be rude or to be a jerk. But, you've entrenched yourself in an indefensible position, and it's time to let it go.

I understand what you are trying to say ("Favre knows the WCO better than JC, so Favre is a better short term solution"), but the latter simply does not follow the former. Favre does know the general principles of the WCO better than JC, but he doesn't know Zorn's implementation of it, he doesn't know the personnel in DC, and he has a history of being a gunslinger and a non-existent tutor for younger QBs.

Bringing Favre in here simply delays JC by a year, undercuts his believe in management's confidence in him, and puts us back into the 2000-2004 mindset of quick fixes. It's just a flat-out bad idea.

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Just watched Fox News w/ Greta...
Packers look stupid. Sure Bret flip flopped, but doesn't look like that's what it's about.

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I honestly don't know what to think about Favre. I was "sure" he was going to stay retired, clearly I was wrong there...I can see it from both perspectives. I can see how the packers moved on, and want / need to start the Rogers era, but I can also understand the need for Favre to play one more year since he did so well last year. My biggest problem is that he teared up and called it a career. I was sad and happy for him at the same time. But he basically promised he was leaving. I am just not sure he should take that back, nor am I sure that the Packers should release him. He really put the packers in a sticky situation.
For as opinionated as I usually am, I just don't know.

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Can't blame the Pack for moving on when he retired, but in my opinion you gotta take Favre back. He's honestly gives them the best chance to win the Superbowl. Bring back #04!

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I hate to say it, but if Gibbs were still around, I'd be concern about the Redskins trying to get Favre. In reality though, the team is stable at this point, and it would be extremely stupid for them to get someone like Favre. Honestly, only teams that truly don't have a QB (Vikes, Jets, Atlanta, Minny, Bears, etc.) should be looking at Favre. My gut tells me though that he might end up either in Minny or Chicago. Oh and cheeseheads will riot.

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[QUOTE=onlydarksets;456540]

Bringing Favre in here simply delays JC by a year, undercuts his believe in management's confidence in him, and puts us back into the 2000-2004 mindset of quick fixes. It's just a flat-out bad idea.[/QUOTE]

About the Skins picking up Favre, the above post says it all.

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I have never been a big fan of Favre's off-season wishy washiness, but in this case I think the Pack have to man up and either release him or make him the starter. It has really bothered me to hear them make patronizing comments about him retiring for the right reasons, as if their aversion to him coming back is about protecting his legacy. This is and has only been about them not wanting to be in a difficult position. Well too bad. Here you are.

I can see why they think it is in the best interest of the franchise to move forward with Rogers. Favre seems to see that too. That's fine. But then release the guy.

I think what is really at stake here is a fear that, should Rogers bomb and Favre excel this next season, jobs could be lost. Tough beans. Part of being a GM is making these kinds of decisions and dealing with the consequences.

It's not an enviable position to be in but these are the cards that have been dealt, so make a decision and stick with it. The more time goes by with Thompson and company acting like knock-kneed prevaricators, the worse they look.

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My how time clouds memory.

Let's forget Farve and put the magnifying glass on Campbell. It is time for Campbell to put up, get back on the bench or go to another team. He needs sot step up or step out.

Last year, the Redskins should have beat the Packers, but we lost 17-14. Defenses ruled the game.

Re stats, Campbell outplayed Farve.

Washington Comp Att Yds Pct Y/A Sack YdsL TD Int
J. Campbell 21 37 217 56.8 5.9 3 7 1 1
Green Bay Comp Att Yds Pct Y/A Sack YdsL TD Int
B. Favre 19 37 188 51.4 5.1 2 19 0 2

Look at the play by play in the fourth quarter. Both Campbell and Farve were poor, with ZERO points scored by either team and the Redskins losing by three. If you remember the game, it was bad offense and bad play calling in the fourth quarter for the Skins. Take a look if you can stomach the memory.

4th Quarter
Green Bay continued
2nd-9, GB11 15:00 D. Wynn rushed to the left for 3 yard gain
3rd-6, GB14 14:19 B. Favre incomplete pass to the right
4th-6, GB14 14:03 J. Ryan punt. A. Randle El returned punt for 4 yards. WAS committed 10 yard penalty
Washington - 14:03
1st-10, WAS27 14:03 C. Portis rushed to the right for 1 yard gain
2nd-9, WAS28 13:28 C. Portis rushed to the left for 8 yard gain
3rd-1, WAS36 12:47 C. Portis rushed to the left for no gain
4th-1, WAS36 11:53 D. Frost punt. C. Woodson returned punt for no gain
Green Bay - 11:53
1st-10, GB24 11:53 B. Favre incomplete pass to the left
2nd-10, GB24 11:47 WAS committed 13 yard penalty
1st-10, GB37 11:42 B. Favre passed to D. Driver to the right for 8 yard gain. D. Driver fumbled. K. Hall recovered fumble
2nd-2, GB45 11:07 B. Favre incomplete pass to the left
3rd-2, GB45 11:04 B. Favre incomplete pass to the left
4th-2, GB45 10:50 J. Ryan punt, no return
Washington - 10:42
1st-10, WAS13 10:42 C. Portis rushed to the left for 3 yard loss. C. Portis fumbled. A. Hawk recovered fumble
Green Bay - 10:42
1st-9, WAS9 10:42 D. Wynn rushed to the left for 1 yard gain
2nd-8, WAS8 10:06 B. Favre incomplete pass to the right
3rd-8, WAS8 10:00 B. Favre sacked by C. Wilson
4th-20, WAS20 9:32 M. Crosby missed a 38-yard field goal
Washington - 9:32
1st-10, WAS28 9:32 J. Campbell passed to K. McCardell to the left for 9 yard gain
2nd-1, WAS37 8:56 C. Portis rushed to the right for 1 yard gain
1st-10, WAS38 8:15 J. Campbell passed to K. McCardell down the middle for 21 yard gain
1st-10, GB41 7:40 C. Portis rushed to the left for 4 yard gain
2nd-6, GB37 7:03 J. Campbell incomplete pass to the right
3rd-6, GB37 6:57 J. Campbell passed to C. Cooley to the right for 4 yard gain
4th-2, GB33 6:43 J. Campbell passed to L. Betts to the right for no gain
Green Bay - 6:43
1st-10, GB33 6:43 D. Wynn rushed to the left for 5 yard gain
2nd-5, GB38 6:02 D. Wynn rushed to the right for 6 yard gain
1st-10, GB44 5:17 V. Morency rushed to the right for 2 yard gain
2nd-8, GB46 4:14 R. McIntosh intercepted B. Favre for 4 yard loss
Washington - 4:14
1st-10, WAS14 4:14 J. Campbell rushed up the middle for no gain. J. Campbell fumbled. J. Campbell recovered fumble
2nd-15, WAS24 3:54 J. Campbell passed to C. Portis to the right for 4 yard loss
3rd-19, WAS20 3:16 J. Campbell sacked by A. Kampman
4th-22, WAS17 2:44 D. Frost punt. J. Bush returned punt for no gain. J. Bush fumbled. C. Woodson recovered fumble
Green Bay - 2:44
1st-10, GB42 2:44 D. Wynn rushed to the right for 2 yard loss
2nd-12, GB40 2:00 D. Wynn rushed to the left for 5 yard gain
3rd-7, GB45 1:51 D. Wynn rushed to the right for no gain
4th-7, GB45 1:13 J. Ryan punt, touchback
Washington - 1:13
1st-10, WAS20 1:13 J. Campbell incomplete pass to the left
2nd-10, WAS20 1:08 J. Campbell sacked by A. Kampman
3rd-12, WAS18 0:38 WAS committed 5 yard penalty
3rd-17, WAS13 0:25 J. Campbell incomplete pass to the right
4th-17, WAS13 0:10 J. Campbell passed to L. Betts to the right for 11 yard gain
Green Bay - 0:10
1st-10, WAS24 0:10 B. Favre rushed up the middle for 1 yard loss

I'm a season ticket holder for both the Redskins and the University of Hawaii. I saw first hand Brennan win games that UH shouldn't have won. I'm waiting for Campbell to do the same for the Skins. If Campbell just plays an average game, we'll be an average game at best. I want to score more points and win. You guys can kick Brennan all you want, but when he does make it, I presume you will apologize publicly.

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[QUOTE=KokoMike;456832]

I'm a season ticket holder for both the Redskins and the University of Hawaii. I saw first hand Brennan win games that UH shouldn't have won. I'm waiting for Campbell to do the same for the Skins. If Campbell just plays an average game, we'll be an average game at best. I want to score more points and win. You guys can kick Brennan all you want, but when he does make it, I presume you will apologize publicly.[/QUOTE]

How are you a season ticket holder for BOTH?

ps- I am a huge brennan fan, but this thread is not about him. mahalo.

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[quote=KokoMike;456832]My how time clouds memory.

Let's forget Farve and put the magnifying glass on Campbell. It is time for Campbell to put up, get back on the bench or go to another team. He needs sot step up or step out.

Last year, the Redskins should have beat the Packers, but we lost 17-14. Defenses ruled the game.

Re stats, Campbell outplayed Farve.

Washington Comp Att Yds Pct Y/A Sack YdsL TD Int
J. Campbell 21 37 217 56.8 5.9 3 7 1 1
Green Bay Comp Att Yds Pct Y/A Sack YdsL TD Int
B. Favre 19 37 188 51.4 5.1 2 19 0 2

Look at the play by play in the fourth quarter. Both Campbell and Farve were poor, with ZERO points scored by either team and the Redskins losing by three. If you remember the game, it was bad offense and bad play calling in the fourth quarter for the Skins. Take a look if you can stomach the memory.

4th Quarter
Green Bay continued
2nd-9, GB11 15:00 D. Wynn rushed to the left for 3 yard gain
3rd-6, GB14 14:19 B. Favre incomplete pass to the right
4th-6, GB14 14:03 J. Ryan punt. A. Randle El returned punt for 4 yards. WAS committed 10 yard penalty
Washington - 14:03
1st-10, WAS27 14:03 C. Portis rushed to the right for 1 yard gain
2nd-9, WAS28 13:28 C. Portis rushed to the left for 8 yard gain
3rd-1, WAS36 12:47 C. Portis rushed to the left for no gain
4th-1, WAS36 11:53 D. Frost punt. C. Woodson returned punt for no gain
Green Bay - 11:53
1st-10, GB24 11:53 B. Favre incomplete pass to the left
2nd-10, GB24 11:47 WAS committed 13 yard penalty
1st-10, GB37 11:42 B. Favre passed to D. Driver to the right for 8 yard gain. D. Driver fumbled. K. Hall recovered fumble
2nd-2, GB45 11:07 B. Favre incomplete pass to the left
3rd-2, GB45 11:04 B. Favre incomplete pass to the left
4th-2, GB45 10:50 J. Ryan punt, no return
Washington - 10:42
1st-10, WAS13 10:42 C. Portis rushed to the left for 3 yard loss. C. Portis fumbled. A. Hawk recovered fumble
Green Bay - 10:42
1st-9, WAS9 10:42 D. Wynn rushed to the left for 1 yard gain
2nd-8, WAS8 10:06 B. Favre incomplete pass to the right
3rd-8, WAS8 10:00 B. Favre sacked by C. Wilson
4th-20, WAS20 9:32 M. Crosby missed a 38-yard field goal
Washington - 9:32
1st-10, WAS28 9:32 J. Campbell passed to K. McCardell to the left for 9 yard gain
2nd-1, WAS37 8:56 C. Portis rushed to the right for 1 yard gain
1st-10, WAS38 8:15 J. Campbell passed to K. McCardell down the middle for 21 yard gain
1st-10, GB41 7:40 C. Portis rushed to the left for 4 yard gain
2nd-6, GB37 7:03 J. Campbell incomplete pass to the right
3rd-6, GB37 6:57 J. Campbell passed to C. Cooley to the right for 4 yard gain
4th-2, GB33 6:43 J. Campbell passed to L. Betts to the right for no gain
Green Bay - 6:43
1st-10, GB33 6:43 D. Wynn rushed to the left for 5 yard gain
2nd-5, GB38 6:02 D. Wynn rushed to the right for 6 yard gain
1st-10, GB44 5:17 V. Morency rushed to the right for 2 yard gain
2nd-8, GB46 4:14 R. McIntosh intercepted B. Favre for 4 yard loss
Washington - 4:14
1st-10, WAS14 4:14 J. Campbell rushed up the middle for no gain. J. Campbell fumbled. J. Campbell recovered fumble
2nd-15, WAS24 3:54 J. Campbell passed to C. Portis to the right for 4 yard loss
3rd-19, WAS20 3:16 J. Campbell sacked by A. Kampman
4th-22, WAS17 2:44 D. Frost punt. J. Bush returned punt for no gain. J. Bush fumbled. C. Woodson recovered fumble
Green Bay - 2:44
1st-10, GB42 2:44 D. Wynn rushed to the right for 2 yard loss
2nd-12, GB40 2:00 D. Wynn rushed to the left for 5 yard gain
3rd-7, GB45 1:51 D. Wynn rushed to the right for no gain
4th-7, GB45 1:13 J. Ryan punt, touchback
Washington - 1:13
1st-10, WAS20 1:13 J. Campbell incomplete pass to the left
2nd-10, WAS20 1:08 J. Campbell sacked by A. Kampman
3rd-12, WAS18 0:38 WAS committed 5 yard penalty
3rd-17, WAS13 0:25 J. Campbell incomplete pass to the right
4th-17, WAS13 0:10 J. Campbell passed to L. Betts to the right for 11 yard gain
Green Bay - 0:10
1st-10, WAS24 0:10 B. Favre rushed up the middle for 1 yard loss

I'm a season ticket holder for both the Redskins and the University of Hawaii. I saw first hand Brennan win games that UH shouldn't have won. I'm waiting for Campbell to do the same for the Skins. If Campbell just plays an average game, we'll be an average game at best. I want to score more points and win. You guys can kick Brennan all you want, but when he does make it, I presume you will apologize publicly.[/quote]

The wr's really let JC down that game. Moss was awful.