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[quote=skinsfan69;457975]Blessing in disguise? How? The guy has been dancing all off season. Plus he wants to only play one more year. This is why you have draft picks waiting in the wings when your 50 year old DE does down. And don't give me any Buzbee talk cause he didn't even see the field last year. He was a practice squad player. I'm talking about a draft pick that can step right in. What about Evans?? You don't see the NYG trading for anyone once Strahan stepped down. That's cause they prepared for his retirement. I think depending on Daniels to make it through another year was a mistake and this trade was a knee jerk reaction. Awful trade.[/quote]

While I'd agree that one of our first three picks would have been well spent on a DT or DE, we did address needs in the draft. I think given today's situation (independent of draft day), we made a good move. A 2nd and 6th for a top 5 defensive player in the league is well worth it, and Vinny said he's "100% certain Taylor will play more than one year." Taylor has repeatedly said he wants to win more than anything, and now he has a chance to play for a playoff-caliber team in the league's best division. I'd want to retire ASAP too if I had just suffered through that 1-15 debacle. The stage here is different. He's playing closer to his home (Pitt) for a team with a great locker room, an owner with Hollywood pull, and an on the field product capable of a playoff run. I think he'll be happy to play out the last two years of his contract here.

I also think it's very important to point out (while knocking on wood) that Jason Taylor hasn't missed a game since 1999 (he missed 1 that year), and has only missed 4 his entire career. Not to mention he said Dancing With Stars has his flexibility better than it's ever been. Some nice positives there.

Re: Redskins trade for Jason Taylor (updated)
 

Seems kinda funny that we had just enough cap room to fit JT and the move came together so quickly.

Hmmmmmm....

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Is there really cause for concern about the run defense? I'm sure JT's stats on run stoppage aren't stellar, but that was as a weak-side DE where you don't see much help and you're job is to focus on getting to the QB.

I also started to wonder whether it's set in stone that JT will get moved and not AC. Who's the bigger man? AC is listed as 252 on the redskin homepage and JT is listed as 255 elsewhere, but I thought I remembered Andre as heavy as 270 during his career. Maybe I'm way off here.

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we wont know till after the season if this was a good move or not,but on the surface right now it was a good move,but Taylor could rupture his knee monday,I just hope this trade is based on him passing the physical,unlike the brunell trade where they didnt even check him out beforehand.No reason to believe he wont pass the physical,but who knows?

Re: Redskins trade for Jason Taylor (updated)
 

I also meant to say that in regard to stopping the run we still have Griff, A. Mont., and Golston in the trenches for a pretty damn good rotation. Most of us (I think) expect a break-out season from Montgomery which will help us out nicely. Also, maybe Evans will play DE in obvious run situations like others have said.

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JT looks lighter to me than AC from still frames.

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I'll make this short and sweet.........I APPROVE! :goodjob:

Re: Redskins trade for Jason Taylor (updated)
 

[quote=SmootSmack;457980]Some thoughts

1. Agree that losing Daniels is not a blessing in disguise

2. So he danced, so what? It's not like he got out of shape or has ever come to a season unprepared

3. How do you know a draft pick would be any more prepared to come in than a player who actually has a year of NFL experience, albeit limited, under his belt?

4. How exactly did the Giants prepare for Strahan's retirement?

5. I think labeling this trade awful is...a knee jerk reaction[/quote]

1.The Giants have a few young DE's that can take Strahans place. They do and did have a plan.

2. It just seems selfish to go on TV and prance around when your team went 1-15 and you're suppose to be one of the leaders. Do that shit you retire. I don't blame Parcells one damn bit. I'm sure he wasn't busting his ass staying in shape like his teammates were. He seems more worried about his Hollywood career at this point of his life than his football career.

3. I'm saying a guy that has been on the bench for a few years. Not someone right out of the draft. Like D. Evans. Why not plug him in and give the guy a chance? How many years has he been here????? It's time for him to become a full time player!! I just think that constantly chasing old guys cause we don't a plan is not the way to do things. This is the 2nd year in a row where we had to give up draft picks and bring in an old guy cause there was no one of any quality waiting behind the current starter. No plan last year when Dock left. Oh yeah... we tried that Todd Wade experiment. That didn't go over so well.

The reason I'm not happy about his trade is we've already tried this way for several years and it hasn't wokred.

Re: Redskins trade for Jason Taylor (updated)
 

[quote=Mattyk72;457978]Simple, Jason Taylor is a Pro Bowl caliber player. Phillip Daniels while a solid player was nothing special. We needed this upgrade even before Daniels went down. Now we have two ends who can both get around the corner. I don't see how you can not like this deal considering the circumstances. And there's already been indications that he will play out his 2 years at the least.[/quote]

I just don't like it. No one else was offering jack for the guy cause they know he might only play one more year.

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[QUOTE=The Goat;457986]Is there really cause for concern about the run defense? I'm sure JT's stats on run stoppage aren't stellar, but that was as a weak-side DE where you don't see much help and you're job is to focus on getting to the QB.

[B]I also started to wonder whether it's set in stone that JT will get moved and not AC[/B]. Who's the bigger man? AC is listed as 252 on the redskin homepage and JT is listed as 255 elsewhere, but I thought I remembered Andre as heavy as 270 during his career. Maybe I'm way off here.[/QUOTE]

According to JLC Carter is staying on the right side, Taylor is switching to left.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;457992]1.The Giants have a few young DE's that can take Strahans place. They do and did have a plan.

2. It just seems selfish to go on TV and prance around when your team went 1-15 and you're suppose to be one of the leaders. Do that shit you retire. I don't blame Parcells one damn bit. I'm sure he wasn't busting his ass staying in shape like his teammates were. He seems more worried about his Hollywood career at this point of his life than his football career.

3. I'm saying a guy that has been on the bench for a few years. Not someone right out of the draft. Like D. Evans. Why not plug him in and give the guy a chance? How many years has he been here????? It's time for him to become a full time player!! I just think that constantly chasing old guys cause we don't a plan is not the way to do things. This is the 2nd year in a row where we had to give up draft picks and bring in an old guy cause there was no one of any quality waiting behind the current starter. No plan last year when Dock left. Oh yeah... we tried that Todd Wade experiment. That didn't go over so well.

The reason I'm not happy about his trade is we've already tried this way for several years and it hasn't wokred.[/QUOTE]

1. We'll have to agree to disagree. I don't think the Giants were specifically planning for Strahan's retirement 4 years ago when they drafted Tuck or 6 years ago when they drafted Omenyiora.

2. It's the offseason. He's entitled, especially considering what he's proven for over a decade, to do what he wants. He'll probably have more sacks alone than all of the Dolphins DEs

3. I'm sure Evans will get playing time, regardless.

Re: Redskins trade for Jason Taylor (updated)
 

So who will wear #99 this season......

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I'm happy with the trade. We didn't break the bank and we got a known commodity. I'll be even happier if we consistently get 5 sack games.

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[quote=Paintrain;457923]LOL, wow what's day 2 of the Zorn era going to look like??!?! I like the move, we're getting a proven stud for a couple (hopefully) of years..

Don't discount Snyder's Hollywood connections to getting a little more out of JT possibly.. That'd be an interesting thing to watch contract wise, if he signs an extension or lower $$ deal, yet gets a multi picture deal with Snyder's studio..

Football-wise it's a huge win though, Taylor vs. Daniels is nowhere close.. Should be interesting around the family dinner table though with his wife being married to Cowboys LB Zach Thomas![/quote]


Wow! That would be interesting. I didn't realize his wife was married to Zach Thomas.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;457998]Wow! That would be interesting. [B][COLOR=darkred]I didn't realize his wife was married to Zach Thomas[/COLOR][/B].[/quote]

What the hell does that mean???..."His wife is married to Zach Thomas?"


I'm pretty sure that would be grounds for a divorce.

Re: Redskins trade for Jason Taylor (updated)
 

I think his sister is married to ZT

Re: Redskins trade for Jason Taylor (updated)
 

I approve of this trade! We haven't had a formidable pass rush in years. This will definitely take some pressure of the corners. Plus, this will free up Landry to make even more plays.

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I like getting him as a replacement for Daniels but I think the price was too high. A 2nd rounder (the 6th rounder I'm not really concerned about) for a guy that is going to play 1 more season at most? I feel that if a team gives up a second rounder, they should either be getting, an A. young valuable player with lots of upside who has room to grow and become an impact starter for years, or B. a guy who is in his prime who can immediately contribute for at least 5 more seasons. Taylor is a guy who is a proven commodity but has also expressed his desire to retire after this season and he's at least 33 years old, which means his performance next season isn't guaranteed to be as good as his last.

Re: Redskins trade for Jason Taylor (updated)
 

[QUOTE=mooby;458004]I like getting him as a replacement for Daniels but I think the price was too high. A 2nd rounder (the 6th rounder I'm not really concerned about) for a guy that is going to play 1 more season at most? I feel that if a team gives up a second rounder, they should either be getting, an A. young valuable player with lots of upside who has room to grow and become an impact starter for years, or B. a guy who is in his prime who can immediately contribute for at least 5 more seasons. Taylor is a guy who is a proven commodity but has also expressed his desire to retire after this season and he's at least 33 years old, which means his performance next season isn't guaranteed to be as good as his last.[/QUOTE]

In an ideal world we should be getting Juluis Peppers and Osi and Ware for a single sixth round pick and them all reducing their salaries to the league minimum .

Who else could we have got ? I think we will be in the market for a DE in the draft next year BUT I liked the draft taking the best player over the player of need increases your chances of scoring a hit .

Re: Redskins trade for Jason Taylor (updated)
 

Where the hell have I been? I got to work to find out Daniels goes down to injury and JT is now a Redskin. I am so glad football is back but I didn't expect it to be like this on the second day of camp.

Re: Redskins trade for Jason Taylor (updated)
 

It's the best possible scenario with the horrible season loss of Phillip Daniels and the loss of up and coming prospect Buzbee. Taylor is expensive and he's 33, but he's also a speedy 6'5" 255 and had 11 sacks last season with 1-15 Miami. Only better possible pickup would be if Strahan pulled a Favre.

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I don't think anybody did GIG lol.

As for my earlier statements, I'd like to clarify and say that after hearing that Cerrato is 100% certain Taylor will play more than 1 year and Taylor apparantly (not confirmed) as saying he will definitely play out the remainder of his contract and perhaps more, I am heartening up more to this trade. A lot of people have made the argument that if Taylor can perform like the elite DE he is for the next two seasons it will be a pretty even trade for a 2nd rounder, considering that elite DE's are hard to come by in this league and this move could help solidify and even bolster our pass rush to the better ones in the league.

I am slightly concerned about run defense though. Andre Carter and Jason Taylor aren't known as being good run stoppers, I thought Phillip Daniels excelled in that role and even though we are gaining a legitimate pass rushing threat to go on the other side of Carter, we are still losing talent in terms of Daniels' run stopping ability compared to Taylor's.

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When I saw the headline my initial reaction was 'great!'. Taylor is a high character guy who performed outstandingly well for a dire team and has a great track record of not getting injured. He is a definite upgrade on Daniels (although this is a sad way for a fine man to probably end his career) and should immediately improve what was one of the key weaknesses on this team - pressuring the quarterback.

A 2nd rounder is high but given the urgency of the situation to end up with a hall of fame calibre player (even if for only 2 seasons) is the best result possible in teh circumstances. With he and Carter coming off the edge to pressure Manning, Romo and McNabb we suddenly look a lot more threatening. You can bet that those three don't like this news and that in itself is enough for me to like it.

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WTF, Bruce Smith part deux. Let me rationalize my perspective. I in no way believe that JT no longer has the ability. I question his desire to play for us and at the Pro Bowl caliber. I just question his motivation to be the best that he can, knowing that he is on his way out of the league. He is the one who said that he would always be a Miami Dolphin.

I hope that he at least compensates us for the 2nd round pick we gave up for him with his play on the field. In all honesty I was more excited about acquiring EJ than JT.....Longevity.

I had to waste 3000 on this.

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I feel for P. Daniels , the man works very hard to be in top shape and is a team guy 100% . I would have rather give up a 3rd rd pick , but Taylor could make the D into a scary unit . Evans and maybe Golston could play DE in 3rd and short if our run D fell off a bit . Lets just stay healthy , get Rocky / Rogers back @ 100 % and get some solid production from C. Wilson , Golston , and some of our young nickel backs and Romo, Manning and McNabb could be in for a rough year !

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;457985]Seems kinda funny that we had just enough cap room to fit JT and the move came together so quickly.

Hmmmmmm....[/QUOTE]

It does seem to fit together nicely, especially considering how close to the cap we normally are for us to be $9 million over heading into camp shows some foresight from the front office. I have to give it up, they were prepared.

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I'm not happy about the deal.

The way I look at it is, would I give up Devin Thomas and Durant Brooks for a guy who is likely to play 2 years max?

I would have to say no.

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[quote=memphisskin;458018]It does seem to fit together nicely, especially considering how close to the cap we normally are for us to be $9 million over heading into camp shows some foresight from the front office. I have to give it up, they were prepared.[/quote]

I think they had this move in their back pocket all along.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;457995]1. We'll have to agree to disagree. I don't think the Giants were specifically planning for Strahan's retirement 4 years ago when they drafted Tuck or 6 years ago when they drafted Omenyiora.

2. It's the offseason. He's entitled, especially considering what he's proven for over a decade, to do what he wants. He'll probably have more sacks alone than all of the Dolphins DEs

3. I'm sure Evans will get playing time, regardless.[/QUOTE]

1. The Giants may not have been planning for Strahan's retirement when they picked Osi in '03, but they sure have been ever since. Even with those bookends they continued to draft DEs in '04 (Reggie Torbor), '05 (Tuck), '06 (Mathias Kiwanuka) and even '08 (Robert Henderson, albeit in the 6th round). They have even played Tuck at DT and Kiwanuka at LB to get those guys reps on the field, Kiwanuka will probably go back to the D-line, but his experience at linebacker gives Spagnuolo even more flexibility.

2. I totally agree with you on Taylor dancing, he was doing that on his own time. Shawn Springs didn't come train at Redskin Park the past two years, but he's been our best corner. Parcells dissing Taylor was an old school move, kinda like GW and Lavar, or Schottenheimer and Centers. Pick one veteran to make an example that no one is bigger than the team.

3. Evans and Wilson will definitely get reps. James too, if he can get healthy. I like that our D-line got stronger from the top.

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This is a GREAT move by the skins! With Carter and Taylor on the ends... This will improve the pass rush we have been lacking.

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My Hat Is Off To Dan And Vin.it Just Goes To Show This Franchise Really Wants To Win And Win Badly.hail To The Redskins And Welcome Mr. Taylor To A Great Place To Play Football.in This Great Country Of Ours.

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I would have preferred to draft a young DE but there were none worthy when it was our turn to pick. I have two concerns with this pick up:
1) While this move greatly improves our pass rush, we now do not have a stout run stopping DE. Carter and Taylor are not very strong against power running teams, they are barely over 250 and will get pushed around from time to time. We have basically two very similar DE's and the other teams will run right at them.
2) Another old guy. Taylor has been dancing on TV for the last several months and might not be in the best shape of his life. Injury is a concern.

While I share in the excitement of a potentially strong pass rush. But if you can not stop the run you are in for a long season. You have to be able to run the ball and stop the run, if you can not do that you are playing for next year.

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[quote=memphisskin;458021]1. The Giants may not have been planning for Strahan's retirement when they picked Osi in '03, but they sure have been ever since. Even with those bookends they continued to draft DEs in '04 (Reggie Torbor), '05 (Tuck), '06 (Mathias Kiwanuka) and even '08 (Robert Henderson, albeit in the 6th round). They have even played Tuck at DT and Kiwanuka at LB to get those guys reps on the field, Kiwanuka will probably go back to the D-line, but his experience at linebacker gives Spagnuolo even more flexibility.

2. I totally agree with you on Taylor dancing, he was doing that on his own time. Shawn Springs didn't come train at Redskin Park the past two years, but he's been our best corner. Parcells dissing Taylor was an old school move, kinda like GW and Lavar, or Schottenheimer and Centers. Pick one veteran to make an example that no one is bigger than the team.

3. Evans and Wilson will definitely get reps. James too, if he can get healthy. I like that our D-line got stronger from the top.[/quote]
Great points and I totally agree with you especially on point #2 regarding Parcells old style and making an example of a veteran from the team to send a message that no one is above the team.

Perfect example of this is when he first took the job as coach of the Cowboys, he first order of business was to RELEASE Emmit Smith. And Emmit went to Arizona.

Re: Redskins trade for Jason Taylor (updated)
 

[quote=memphisskin;458021]1. The Giants may not have been planning for Strahan's retirement when they picked Osi in '03, but they sure have been ever since. Even with those bookends they continued to draft DEs in '04 (Reggie Torbor), '05 (Tuck), '06 (Mathias Kiwanuka) and even '08 (Robert Henderson, albeit in the 6th round). They have even played Tuck at DT and Kiwanuka at LB to get those guys reps on the field, Kiwanuka will probably go back to the D-line, but his experience at linebacker gives Spagnuolo even more flexibility.

2. I totally agree with you on Taylor dancing, he was doing that on his own time. Shawn Springs didn't come train at Redskin Park the past two years, but he's been our best corner. Parcells dissing Taylor was an old school move, kinda like GW and Lavar, or Schottenheimer and Centers. Pick one veteran to make an example that no one is bigger than the team.

3. Evans and Wilson will definitely get reps. James too, if he can get healthy. I like that our D-line got stronger from the top.[/quote]

I never understood the big deal over the dancing deal. It was the offseason and he didn't miss any mandatory work as far as I know. It was vintage Parcells as you said. Just his way of putting his stamp on the team and sending the message that he's in town. Nothing more. It's funny how vilified Taylor has been over this whole thing. Two years ago he was defensive MVP and last year he was the NFL man of the year, and here he is getting shit on for going on a TV show during his offseason.

Re: Redskins trade for Jason Taylor (updated)
 

[quote=Mattyk72;458032]I never understood the big deal over the dancing deal. It was the offseason and he didn't miss any mandatory work as far as I know. It was vintage Parcells as you said. Just his way of putting his stamp on the team and sending the message that he's in town. Nothing more. It's funny how vilified Taylor has been over this whole thing. Two years ago he was defensive MVP and last year he was the NFL man of the year, and here he is getting shit on for going on a TV show during his offseason.[/quote]
You know if the Dolphins were 11-5 or 10-6 I could see that point of view. But when a team is 1-15 and the clear-cut leader of the team is "other-wise occupied" during the off-season, it kinda sends a mixed signal to the younger players on that team.

Don't get me wrong, I do think Parcells should not have made a big deal about this. But look at it this way.

Let's say the Redskins went 1-15, hired a new coach, coordinators etc. Having to put a new system in place, how would you feel if Clinton Portis did something like that?

I just think that there is a better time to commit to these off-season things than when your team is 1-15 and you are supposed to be setting the example. If they had a winning record, there would not be such a big deal about it.

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Yeah, Taylor is a stand up guy. I remember a couple of seasons ago when he spoke out about Merriman using..or testing positive (wink*wink) for steroids.

I think he's going to come here and play his guts out for this team. Nice to have another Taylor on the team, by the way.

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Parcell's must be one of the top worst people to work in the country. His type of management style is a thing of old.

That type of mgmt style has always made me work hard but I never went the extra mile for that type of boss but if I had a boss that was really cool and treated me with respect I wil l go to the end of the earth to get the job done for them.

I loved to see Parcell at boot camp as a solider.

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Wanted to weigh in with my thoughts:

1) I'm surprised to hear the Skins had the cap room to accomodate this. They must have made some other cap moves that me and CC (and another source, PCINOZ) were not aware of.

2) Given that Cerrato seems to be privy to information indicating Taylor will play beyond this season, I'll gladly give up a 2 and a 6 for two seasons of Jason Taylor.

3) I am slightly concerned with Taylor being asked to switch from RDE which he played in Miami, to LDE here. It's a slight concern, but I can't imagine he's going to go off for 15 sacks when making that switch.

4) But still, if we can get 8 sacks from him on that side, it will make a huge difference. The impact should not be underestimated. Because of his presence, our DTs will see more one-on-ones. They should be freed to be more active and make more stops. Our corners won't be asked to cover for quite as long. But the biggest impact of all: turnovers. What wins in the NFL? Turnover margin. It's the single biggest factor in winning. Pressure from Taylor and Carter, combined with Landry's range in the secondary, should produce more INTs. The chance of QB fumbles goes up, too.

I think we just went from a 7-9 team to a 9-7 team. This swung me around, consider me an optimist. Good move.

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In response to a few complaints I've seen on here:

1. I know this is really jarring to some people's mindsets, but draft picks really aren't guaranteed to work out....not even in the second round. (See Taylor Jacobs)

2. I don't know what dancing with the stars has to do with any of this. Are we really going to criticize a guy for doing something that didn't require him to miss any time with his team? It's the off-season......he's free to do whatever the F- he wants. It's not like the guy was sitting at home playing Madden all spring (or perhaps you'd be happier with that?). It's up to every individual player to keep themselves in shape during the offseason and I've seen absolutely zero indication that Taylor is in any way out of shape.

People are saying ridiculous things like "what kind of leader goes off dancing....he should be helping his 1-15 team to get better." When dancing with the stars was being filmed there wasn't any team organized training or team organized events that Taylor was somehow skipping out on. If he had been working out at the Dolphins facility at the time, there probably wouldn't have even been anyone else there.

3. Can we please look at this from a (perish the thought) football perspective. Any argument that Taylor doesn't represent a significant upgrade over anything we've had at DE for the last 10 years is completely unsupportable. Is someone going to tell me that the ESPN overhype (not sure where that comes from) is responsible for his 100+ sacks? Did ESPN somehow give Taylor 11 sacks last year? Give me a break.

4. Bruce Smith? Really, you want to go there? Ok, lets look at some facts. Bruce Smith came here in his 16th year in the league. Taylor is coming in his 12th. In Bruce Smith's 12th, 13th and 14th years he had 13.5, 14, and 10 sacks respectivley. Oh, and when he came here in his 16th year, he gave us 10 sacks (followed by 5, 9, and 5). And Smith was given an huge new contract......Taylor is playing under his old contract. This is [U]NOT [/U] Bruce Smith all over again. In fact, the two situations have almost nothing in common.

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[quote=PSUSkinsFan21;458041]In response to a few complaints I've seen on here:

1. I know this is really jarring to some people's mindsets, but draft picks really aren't guaranteed to work out....not even in the second round. (See Taylor Jacobs)

2. I don't know what dancing with the stars has to do with any of this. Are we really going to criticize a guy for doing something that didn't require him to miss any time with his team? It's the off-season......he's free to do whatever the F- he wants. It's not like the guy was sitting at home playing Madden all spring (or perhaps you'd be happier with that?). It's up to every individual player to keep themselves in shape during the offseason and I've seen absolutely zero indication that Taylor is in any way out of shape.

People are saying ridiculous things like "what kind of leader goes off dancing....he should be helping his 1-15 team to get better." When dancing with the stars was being filmed there wasn't any team organized training or team organized events that Taylor was somehow skipping out on. If he had been working out at the Dolphins facility at the time, there probably wouldn't have even been anyone else there.

3. Can we please look at this from a (perish the thought) football perspective. Any argument that Taylor doesn't represent a significant upgrade over anything we've had at DE for the last 10 years is completely unsupportable. Is someone going to tell me that the ESPN overhype (not sure where that comes from) is responsible for his 100+ sacks? Did ESPN somehow give Taylor 11 sacks last year? Give me a break.

4. Bruce Smith? Really, you want to go there? Ok, lets look at some facts. Bruce Smith came here in his 16th year in the league. Taylor is coming in his 12th. In Bruce Smith's 12th, 13th and 14th years he had 13.5, 14, and 10 sacks respectivley. Oh, and when he came here in his 16th year, he gave us 10 sacks (followed by 5, 9, and 5). And Smith was given an huge new contract......Taylor is playing under his old contract. This is [U]NOT [/U]Bruce Smith all over again. In fact, the two situations have almost nothing in common.[/quote]

Good points.

I don't see this as another Bruce Smith either. Totally different situations.

And with the dancing thing, again I could really care less. Look at his football resume. It speaks loud and clear.