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[QUOTE=sandtrapjack;465315]Although I concur with you, folks from the AFC South might have an arguement on that. That division also sent 3 teams to the post season last year. Indy, Jacksonville and Tennessee.[/QUOTE]

This is true, but Tennessee shouldn't have been in there. They could barely beat the Colts backups to get into the playoffs. Also the NFC East has been tougher historically, this division just showed up on the radar a couple years ago.

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[QUOTE=Cowell;465344]This is true, but Tennessee shouldn't have been in there. They could barely beat the Colts backups to get into the playoffs. Also the NFC East has been tougher historically, this division just showed up on the radar a couple years ago.[/QUOTE]

Yeah and the NFC east is a better division over the last five seasons. Just because they were good last year doesn't make that division a powerhouse.

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Is anyone watching the Giants-Browns game, the gmens dline is putting some hurting on Derek Anderson. I hope our line holds up better then the Browns.

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[QUOTE=troy;464861]WITH JASON CAMPBELL

cowboys 11-5
giants 10-6
philadelphia 8-8
redskins 6-10

WITHOUT JASON CAMPBELL

redskins 12-4
cowboys 11-5
giants 10-6
philadelphia 8-8

alot of you will disagree but FACT is with jason campbell as our starting quarterback we are a losing football team[/QUOTE]


Wow, I can understand that you aren't high on Campbell, but to say that Collins or Brennan are 6 games better...well, I believe there is a straightjacket with your name on it.
Even if we had Peyton Manning as our backup, that would not translate into 6 more wins for just 1 person.
About Campbell, we certainly saw some growing pains last year, but I think he's going to surprise you.

About predictions:
Redskins 11-5
Cowpatties 10-6
Giants 9-7
Eagles 7-9

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Jsarno is right on this one, six games is more than the difference between Jon Kitna and Tom Brady, in most estimations. It's pretty downright insane to suggest that Jason Campbell could be so bad that he could single handedly keep a 12-4 team out of the playoffs.

Downright insane.

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I see '08 as something of a repeat of '07. I definitely spect Philly to be at the bottom again w/ either Dono or Westbrook hurt for a while, plus the Philly d won't be as good (Dawkins ain't the same since he got rocked last year). We'll be next and just squeak into the playoffs if we're lucky. The giants will be next primarily because of their freakishly awesome defense and the emergence of Eli as a true elite QB. The Cowpokes have too much talent not to own the division once again, but I believe their coaching structure/confusion continues to thwart a serious playoff run. So...

Pokes: 12-4
Gmen: 11-5 (maybe 10-6)
Skins: 9-7
Eagles 7-9 (maybe 8-8)

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;465355]Jsarno is right on this one, six games is more than the difference between Jon Kitna and Tom Brady, in most estimations. It's pretty downright insane to suggest that Jason Campbell could be so bad that he could single handedly keep a 12-4 team out of the playoffs.

Downright insane.[/QUOTE]

Especially considering that the person stepping in for Campbell would either be Todd Collins or Colt Brennan.

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[quote=jsarno;465353]Wow, I can understand that you aren't high on Campbell, but to say that Collins or Brennan are 6 games better...well, I believe there is a straightjacket with your name on it.
Even if we had Peyton Manning as our backup, that would not translate into 6 more wins for just 1 person.
About Campbell, we certainly saw some growing pains last year, but I think he's going to surprise you.

About predictions:
Redskins 11-5
Cowpatties 10-6
Giants 9-7
Eagles 7-9[/quote]

I'll give you credit for even responding to that post with anything other than: RETARDED POST

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[quote=Mattyk72;465417]I'll give you credit for even responding to that post with anything other than: RETARDED POST[/quote]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Funny how you don't find JC critics calling you all RETARDED, in need of a straight jacket, or losing your minds for loving him so much. Where's the respect for having an opinion, even if it doesn’t agree with your own? Just my... :twocents:[/FONT][/COLOR]

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[QUOTE=jdlea;465412]Especially considering that the person stepping in for Campbell would either be Todd Collins or Colt Brennan.[/QUOTE]

Last time I checked Collins lead the Skins on an amazing end of the season win streak last year that put the team into the playoffs. If memory serves a lot of people on this site said the team would be screwed if TC had to play any significant amount of time (some wanted him gone because they thought he stunk in preseason, he did, and so much for preseason being a predictor of anything) and as it turned out he was the player that salvaged the season.

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[QUOTE=irish;465425]Last time I checked Collins lead the Skins on an amazing end of the season win streak last year that put the team into the playoffs. If memory serves a lot of people on this site said the team would be screwed if TC had to play any significant amount of time (some wanted him gone because they thought he stunk in preseason, he did, and so much for preseason being a predictor of anything) and as it turned out he was the player that salvaged the season.[/QUOTE]

I don't think that you can put that squarely on the shoulders of TC tho. I believe it was a total team effort. CP put the team on his back running the ball, and TC knew Saunder's offense better than JC so he could run it better. Wiht a new O being installed, I look for TC to struggle if placed in the same situation.

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[quote=hesscl34;465424][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Funny how you don't find JC critics calling you all RETARDED, in need of a straight jacket, or losing your minds for loving him so much. Where's the respect for having an opinion, even if it doesn’t agree with your own? Just my... :twocents:[/FONT][/COLOR][/quote]

Because it wasn't even a rationale opinion to begin with.

Funny how if you aren't a JC critic, you must [I]love[/I] him.

It's not quite not black and white.

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[quote=Mattyk72;465432]Because it wasn't even a rationale opinion to begin with.

Funny how if you aren't a JC critic, you must [I]love[/I] him.

It's not quite not black and white.[/quote]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Can't win, so I'll get off the "short bus"... as you called it.[/FONT][/COLOR]

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Every year the "experts" pick Dallas to win the NFC. Every year the "experts" are wrong. The "experts" say they have 13 probowlers on thier roster. Probowl doesn't mean S#!%! It's a stupid popularity contest. They have NO depth behind TO at wideout, Romo CHOKES in big games, they sign overrated players like Tank Johnson and Adam Jones, Roy Williams couldn't cover your grandma and they have a hack head coach! What makes people think they're even gonna win the division?!?!?!

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;465432]Because it wasn't even a rationale opinion to begin with.

Funny how if you aren't a JC critic, you must [I]love[/I] him.

It's not quite not black and white.[/QUOTE]

Well put Matty

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[QUOTE=Jamaican'Skin;465429]I don't think that you can put that squarely on the shoulders of TC tho. I believe it was a total team effort. CP put the team on his back running the ball, and TC knew Saunder's offense better than JC so he could run it better. Wiht a new O being installed, I look for TC to struggle if placed in the same situation.[/QUOTE]

Of course every win (and loss) is a team effort but it was obvious that once TC came in the offense's tempo was much quicker because he could get the ball out on passes which opened things for CP's running. TC wasnt the sole reason for the run but he was absolutely the catalyst.

BTW, TC struggled mightily in preseason which is why IMO he wasnt the starter. It turns out he could run Saunders O better than JC but in preseason it didnt look that way.

My point is, to say that having TC come in for JC is a major downgrade at QB is completely false. The evidence just does not support that prediction.

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[quote=DirtyLandry;465441]Every year the "experts" pick Dallas to win the NFC. Every year the "experts" are wrong. The "experts" say they have 13 probowlers on thier roster. Probowl doesn't mean S#!%! It's a stupid popularity contest. They have NO depth behind TO at wideout, Romo CHOKES in big games, they sign overrated players like Tank Johnson and Adam Jones, Roy Williams couldn't cover your grandma and they have a hack head coach! [b]What makes people think they're even gonna win the division?!?!?![/b][/quote]
What makes you think that anyone else will win the East?
You have an opinion on why the Cowboys should not win. How about an opinion on why anyone else will.

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[quote=hesscl34;465439]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Can't win, so I'll get off the "short bus"... as you called it.[/FONT][/COLOR][/quote]

Win what?

If you really believe the difference between JC and TC is really 6 games in the W column then you're right, this conversation is over.

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[quote=Mattyk72;465453]Win what?

If you really believe the difference between JC and TC is really 6 games in the W column then you're right, this conversation is over.[/quote]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]When did I say I agreed with that? .. I don't. My argument was about respecting other's opinions when they are different from your own.... [/FONT][/COLOR]

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[quote=hesscl34;465462]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]When did I say I agreed with that? .. I don't. My argument was about respecting other's opinions when they are different from you own.... [/FONT][/COLOR][/quote]

I figured since you were bowing out you must have agreed with his take, coupled with your doubt of JC's abilities. My bad.

I respect other's opinions as long as they are logical and rationale and bring something to the table worthy of discussion.

Otherwise it's garbage in, garbage out.

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[quote=Mattyk72;465466]I figured since you were bowing out you must have agreed with his take, coupled with your doubt of JC's abilities. My bad.

I respect other's opinions as long as they are logical and rationale and bring something to the table worthy of discussion.

Otherwise it's garbage in, garbage out.[/quote]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Just because it's not what YOU believe to be logical and rationale doesn't make it garbage. I say let the season tell the story. When/if JC does well then his supporters can blow his critics up, but if he stinks then it's our turn.... I just hope he's more consistent going forward (one way or another) so we aren't always arguing.[/FONT][/COLOR]

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[quote=sandtrapjack;465452]What makes you think that anyone else will win the East?
You have an opinion on why the Cowboys should not win. How about an opinion on why anyone else will.[/quote]

It really pains me to say it, but I think the Cowboys have a very good shot at winning the East, but as long as they lose to the Skins at home, I'll remain a happy gal.

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It's my [I]totally valid[/I] opinion that the sky is green.

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[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;465470]It's my [I]totally valid[/I] opinion that the sky is green.[/quote]

<rolling my eyes> .... ugh.

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[quote=hesscl34;465468][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Just because it's not what YOU believe to be logical and rationale doesn't make it garbage. I say let the season tell the story. When/if JC does well then his supporters can blow his critics up, but if he stinks then it's our turn.... I just hope he's more consistent going forward (one way or another) so we aren't always arguing.[/FONT][/COLOR][/quote]

Using that logic we might as well let anything and everything fly around here since who's to say what is logical and rationale?

Campbell is the best QB ever in the history of the game. How does that taste. Respect that. ;)

Seriously though, Jsarno and Gtripp addressed this quite well to explain just how garbage it was.

[URL]http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/24511-post-your-nfc-east-predictions-here-6.html#post465353[/URL]

[URL]http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/24511-post-your-nfc-east-predictions-here-6.html#post465355[/URL]

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[quote=Mattyk72;465474]Using that logic we might as well let anything and everything fly around here since who's to say what is logical and rationale?

Campbell is the best QB ever in the history of the game. How does that taste. Respect that. ;)
[URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/24511-post-your-nfc-east-predictions-here-6.html#post465355"][/URL][/quote]

Well looky there... you searched for threads ...

I can respect that you think JC is the best ever (yeah right) without telling you you are a retard, because I know his play will make you eat your words..... :silly:

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[QUOTE=hesscl34;465468][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Just because it's not what YOU believe to be logical and rationale doesn't make it garbage. I say let the season tell the story.[/QUOTE]

You don't seem to be respecting Matty's opinion that that post was complete garbage.

In all seriousness, it's one thing to demand that everyone respect everyone's opinion and that's a noble trait that should be exercised when it's called for. But there's also something to be said for respecting the collective intelligence of the members here and the integrity of this site. When an "opinion" lacks any substance or is erroneous in fact then it should be called out.

The difference of opinions is what makes the site strong. But when an opinion like benching Campbell means 6 more wins is presented it would be a disservice to everyone else to simply "respect" it. In my view, there are two ways to respond to a post like that a) ignore it and hope it just fades into warpath oblivion or b) challenge the original poster to back up their statements.

If Troy is so sure about what he's saying then he certainly will be able to defend himself. Though we may not agree, maybe he will add a little more reasoning behind what he has said. I mean irish seemed to make an attempt to defend Troy's case (though I disagree, at least irish tried).

[QUOTE]When/if JC does well then his supporters can blow his critics up, but if he stinks then it's our turn.... I just hope he's more consistent going forward (one way or another) so we aren't always arguing.[/FONT][/COLOR][/QUOTE]

Are you hoping he's consistently bad?

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[quote=hesscl34;465475][B]Well looky there... you searched for threads ...[/B]

I can respect that you think JC is the best ever (yeah right) without telling you you are a retard, because I know his play will make you eat your words..... :silly:[/quote]

Not really, I just read the entire thread and flipped one page back to reference those links.

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And let's be clear, Matty never called anyone a retard

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[quote=SmootSmack;465485]And let's be clear, Matty never called anyone a retard[/quote]

I'm sorry, you are right. He called his thread a RETARDED POST. My bad.

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[quote=SmootSmack;465482]
Are you hoping he's consistently bad?[/quote]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]JC - If I hoped for that, I wouldn't be much of a Skins fan, now would I? I HOPE he plays his guts out and wins games and we all fall in love with him. I'll even happily let you all tell me how wrong I was for years to come![/FONT][/COLOR]
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[QUOTE=irish;465451]Of course every win (and loss) is a team effort but it was obvious that once TC came in the offense's tempo was much quicker because he could get the ball out on passes which opened things for CP's running. TC wasnt the sole reason for the run but he was absolutely the catalyst.

BTW, TC struggled mightily in preseason which is why IMO he wasnt the starter. It turns out he could run Saunders O better than JC but in preseason it didnt look that way.

My point is, to say that having TC come in for JC is a major downgrade at QB is completely false. The evidence just does not support that prediction.[/QUOTE]


I never said that TC was a complete downgrade from JC. If that was the case, he had no business being re- signed. The point I thought was being made was that TC would improve the team by 6 wins while JC would drive us to a dismal 6- 10 record. I cannot believe that the improvement JC has shown in his first few preseason games as well as over last season was all for naught and he is going to somehow completely regress to a stage of rookiedom

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[QUOTE=Jamaican'Skin;465491]I never said that TC was a complete downgrade from JC. If that was the case, he had no business being re- signed. The point I thought was being made was that TC would improve the team by 6 wins while JC would drive us to a dismal 6- 10 record. I cannot believe that the improvement JC has shown in his first few preseason games as well as over last season was all for naught and he is going to somehow completely regress to a stage of rookiedom[/QUOTE]

I think both TC & JC could take this team to somewhere in the 7 to 9 win range. Like I said in some previous posts, the preseason does not predict anything from player performance to team record.

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[QUOTE=hesscl34;465469]It really pains me to say it, but I think the Cowboys have a very good shot at winning the East, but as long as they lose to the Skins at home, I'll remain a happy gal.[/QUOTE]

yeah like dirtylandry said, they are 1 injury to TO or romo away from being a non-factor. that being said, if those 2 stay relatively healthy they will probably win the division. guess we'll have to wait and see.

NFC East:

1- eagles (10-6 if mcnabb stays healthy, he looked good beg of last year)
2- cowboys (10-6)
3 - skins (8-8 no playoffs, next year we should be on top)
4 - giants (7-9)

hard to not put the skins on top but unless our D steps up from a solid performance last year we remain a grind it out .500 team that needs a another spectacular push in the end to snag a wildcard spot. next year i anticipate high expectations around here.

go skins!

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[quote=sandtrapjack;465452]What makes you think that anyone else will win the East?
You have an opinion on why the Cowboys should not win. How about an opinion on why anyone else will.[/quote]



Becuase they(the Cowboys) think that only they can,ask the Giants if they care about the Cowboys 13 pro bowl players or who won the East?Anyone that doesn't believe that the East is wide open is a fool !:twocents:

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[QUOTE=irish;465425]Last time I checked Collins lead the Skins on an amazing end of the season win streak last year that put the team into the playoffs. If memory serves a lot of people on this site said the team would be screwed if TC had to play any significant amount of time (some wanted him gone because they thought he stunk in preseason, he did, and so much for preseason being a predictor of anything) and as it turned out he was the player that salvaged the season.[/QUOTE]

And the last I checked, Collins was a Saunders hand picked guy who knows his offense, and as of today, Saunders offense is in St. Louis, but Collins is in Washington.
In short, what we saw from Collins last year, can very easily be a 1 time occurance.

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[QUOTE=hesscl34;465469]It really pains me to say it, but I think the Cowboys have a very good shot at winning the East, but as long as they lose to the Skins at home, I'll remain a happy gal.[/QUOTE]

I think Garrett's offense was figured out, and there is no way they will be a top team like last year. They will be good, sure, but so won't all of us in the east. This seems to be a year that all 4 teams in the east have an equal shot at the division.

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girls 12-4
gints 10-6
skins 8-8
iggles 6-10

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Cowgirls 12-4
Skins 10-6
Giants 10-6
Eagles 9-7

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[quote=WillH;464716]Eagles 6-10 (They missed their chance, they wont have another until they stop investing in Mcnabb)[/quote]God forbid me go out of my way to defend the Eagles, and I'm only really responding because I [B]agree[/B] with you that McNabb isn't leading anyone anywhere. I do think to say that they don't have a chance to compete because of their QB is ignoring all the talent that has developed in the last two years since I started the "Is it me, or do the Eagles have no talent" thread back in the Summer of '06.

Top to bottom, they are the deepest team in the NFC this side of Green Bay. They have the best offensive weapon in the conference, and have really, really invested heavily in both of their lines. For the first time since 2003, they go three deep with competent corners, and when they do add free agents, they make it someone like Chris Clemons, who we Redskins fans [I]know [/I]can produce at DE.

Even at the Quarterback position, they are in better position now to deal with a McNabb injury than at any point last year, with Kolb having spent his rookie year under the tutilage of Reid and Morninweg.

I think it's fallacious to act like they are McNabb's team, because they are a very good team, QB aside. If McNabb plays decent football, they probably win the East, but again, I'm not totally confident that he will play his best this year.