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[quote=Paintrain;473587]Based on the week 1 JC backlash off of his 15-27, 133, TD, 0 INT performance the internets will be ablaze across the NFL nation with cries of 'BENCH ________' for these Week 1 standouts:

Matt Hasselbeck 17-41, 190, TD, INT-Hail Senaca Wallace!
Marc Bulger 14-26, 158, 0 TD, 0 INT-Free Trent Green!
Carson Palmer 10-25, [B]99[/B], 0 TD, 1 INT-Put in, uh, uh, whoever..
Derek Anderson 11-24, 114, TD, 0 INT-They gave up Charlie Frye for that?

Or maybe other fan bases realize that it's just one week and there are 15 more games to be played..[/quote]

Those 4 QBs mentioned are established starters and have shown in the past that they can win games and lead their teams. Something Campbell has not managed to do, Im not calling for his head, because there really isnt a better option, but I am tired of the excuses. SHOW ME SOMETHING!

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[quote=Stacks42;473608]Those 4 QBs mentioned are established starters and have shown in the past that they can win games and lead their teams. Something Campbell has not managed to do, Im not calling for his head, because there really isnt a better option, but I am tired of the excuses. SHOW ME SOMETHING![/quote]

But with the exception of Anderson, they have all had TIME.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;473544]Then why didn't the Lions set out to stop the run and put 8 or 9 guys in the box and let Ryan beat you passing. The Lions Def- Coor- is not a moron. That didn't happen, and the Falcons comparatively looked Super Bowl champions to the performance we gave on THU. [/quote]

That is something you might want to ask them. 42 runs to 13 passes means they should have...but I guess no one told them. I didn't watch that game, so I don't know...but I would CERTAINLY call the DC a moron if he didn't load up the box.

[quote]They looked horribly inept on THU. You can give Campbell and Zorn as many rationalizations as you would like. Ryan is working with a lot more obstacles than Campbell is and he managed to pull off a COMPETITIVE performance.[/quote]

So you're saying it's all Campbell's fault? All the other players on the team had nothing to do with the loss????? It's 1 freakin game man. If the Skins beat NO 28-13, and Atlanta loses 35-10 next week, we will forget all about our poor performance. You need to also keep in mind, we were playing the super bowl champs on their home turf, while Atlanta was playing at home vs a team that has sucked for many years. This is why we play 16 games, not one. Thank the good Lord you are not affiliated with the Skins in any way. It's not a sprint, it's a marathon.

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[quote=Paintrain;473587]Based on the week 1 JC backlash off of his 15-27, 133, TD, 0 INT performance the internets will be ablaze across the NFL nation with cries of 'BENCH ________' for these Week 1 standouts:

Matt Hasselbeck 17-41, 190, TD, INT-Hail Senaca Wallace!
Marc Bulger 14-26, 158, 0 TD, 0 INT-Free Trent Green!
Carson Palmer 10-25, [B]99[/B], 0 TD, 1 INT-Put in, uh, uh, whoever..
Derek Anderson 11-24, 114, TD, 0 INT-They gave up Charlie Frye for that?

Or maybe other fan bases realize that it's just one week and there are 15 more games to be played..[/quote]

Those teams have all locked their QB's up financially due to their play.

I think JC is within a year or two of contractual elapse. That makes him much more expendable, especially if he keeps up his bad habits.


At this point I rather him throw a pickle than look that clueless on the field.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;473649]Those teams have all locked their QB's up financially due to their play.

I think JC is within a year or two of contractual elapse. That makes him much more expendable, especially if he keeps up his bad habits.


At this point I rather him throw a pickle than look that clueless on the field.[/quote]

Not to make this too personal, but I am sure you would have been fired from your job if you were judged this harshly after your first day.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;473597]I'll see you in four weeks when the bottom drops out.

Til then enjoy your stay in denial.[/quote]

Skinny Tee, if the team gets it together I absolutely don't want to see you around here flip-flopping and getting on the bandwagon.

And if they don't I don't want to see you around here gloating over how right you were either.

I think you can see where I'm going with this.

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[quote=jsarno;473647]
So you're saying it's all Campbell's fault? All the other players on the team had nothing to do with the loss????? It's 1 freakin game man. If the Skins beat NO 28-13, and Atlanta loses 35-10 next week, we will forget all about our poor performance. [B] You need to also keep in mind, we were playing the super bowl champs on their home turf[/B], while Atlanta was playing at home vs a team that has sucked for many years. This is why we play 16 games, not one. Thank the good Lord you are not affiliated with the Skins in any way. It's not a sprint, it's a marathon.[/quote]

Since you obviously weren't watching the game I'll inform you that the Giants are going to be a terrible team. They are not the same Super Bowl team that you think they are. If you'd been up to date during the offseason you'd see that they lost 2 of their starting DE's, one of them being a Hall of Famer. Being that their pass rush was a major component of their team you'd see how that was detriment. Also, if you witnessed their play at the end of the game you'd realize that Eli was wholesaling free footballs to Redskin defenders. The Giants are going to almost be as bad as we are this year. That's what magnifies this loss so much.

The comparison was not wins and losses or point total but between the level of competition that was put forth by those two teams with similar coaching changes and inexperience at QB.

Do I have to watch all the games for you??? Catch me next week at this time and I'll hand out your opinion on next weeks loss.

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[quote=djnemo65;473653]Skinny Tee, if the team gets it together I absolutely don't want to see you around here flip-flopping and getting on the bandwagon.

And if they don't I don't want to see you around here gloating over how right you were either.

I think you can see where I'm going with this.[/quote]

LOL...I think you are speaking for most of us here.

I had a problem with several negative nancy's last year, and it appears they are still in full force this year. To me, a fan is a fan regardless of circumstance...if you predict doom, and even have a hatred about it, you are not a fan. Fans have optimism. Maybe I have a different definition of being a fan than some of you, but being optimistic is kind of a prerequisite.

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[quote=djnemo65;473653]Skinny Tee, if the team gets it together I absolutely don't want to see you around here flip-flopping and getting on the bandwagon.

And if they don't I don't want to see you around here gloating over how right you were either.

I think you can see where I'm going with this.[/quote]

Take the blue pill man. Zion is waiting.


...It's just a perspective. If I'm wrong then hey it won't be the first time. But if I were to ask if they are going to suck this year and shake the magic eight ball, I would say that it says "All sign point to Yes"

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[quote=jsarno;473659]LOL...I think you are speaking for most of us here.

I had a problem with several negative nancy's last year, and it appears they are still in full force this year. To me, a fan is a fan regardless of circumstance...if you predict doom, and even have a hatred about it, you are not a fan. Fans have optimism. Maybe I have a different definition of being a fan than some of you, but being optimistic is kind of a prerequisite.[/quote]

Yeah, looks like it's going to be another year with a bunch of mini-JLC's freaking out and wanting to fire everyone from the ballboys to the owner everytime we don't win. I don't mind pessimism, it's the people who would rather see the team lose just so they can be right...there's a lot of them and I wish they would just become Eagles fans and leave us alone.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;473658]Since you obviously weren't watching the game I'll inform you that the Giants are going to be a terrible team. They are not the same Super Bowl team that you think they are. If you'd been up to date during the offseason you'd see that they lost 2 of their starting DE's, one of them being a Hall of Famer. Being that their pass rush was a major component of their team you'd see how that was detriment. Also, if you witnessed their play at the end of the game you'd realize that Eli was wholesaling free footballs to Redskin defenders. The Giants are going to almost be as bad as we are this year. That's what magnifies this loss so much.

The comparison was not wins and losses or point total but between the level of competition that was put forth by those two teams with similar coaching changes and inexperience at QB.

Do I have to watch all the games for you??? Catch me next week at this time and I'll hand out your opinion on next weeks loss.[/quote]

Since you want to be a sarcastic SOB, then I'll lay it out for you. I watch EVERY GAME. Haven't missed one since before the invention of the NFL Sunday Ticket.
1- if their pass rush sucked so bad, why were they in our backfield causing trouble so much?
2- Never once said they were a super bowl contender this year, but said they were the super bowl champs...is that a lie? They were riding on some emotion due to their ceremony...but you apparently missed that. There was also an implication that the Giants are better than the Lions, but you missed that as well.
3- You note the fact that Eli was not really on...then I would THINK you would have noticed the 2, possibly 3 interceptions that we SHOULD have had if you were watching.
[b]Which one out of those three are Jason Campbell problems?????[/b] Yeah, I don't think it's me that missed the game. Why don't you do us all a favor and be a fan of some other team, cause your negativity, and ignorance is something some other team should have to deal with. We Skins fans are too classy to be associated with the likes of you.

I suggest you change your tune, or no one will respect a word you say.

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[quote=djnemo65;473661]Yeah, looks like it's going to be another year with a bunch of mini-JLC's freaking out and wanting to fire everyone from the ballboys to the owner everytime we don't win. I don't mind pessimism, it's the people who would rather see the team lose just so they can be right...there's a lot of them and I wish they would just become Eagles fans and leave us alone.[/quote]

For as much as we can disagree with politics, we seem to have very similar views when it comes to the Skins! You are dead on here.

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[quote=jsarno;473664]Yeah, I don't think it's me that missed the game. Why don't you do us all a favor and be a fan of some other team, cause your negativity, and ignorance is something some other team should have to deal with. [B]We Skins fans are too classy to be associated with the likes of you.

I suggest you change your tune, or no one will respect a word you say.[/B] [/quote]

Here we go with guys being classier than me...good job, you beat me. You're classier than me. Damn...I really wanted to outclass you but to no avail...Shucks

Tell you what...why don't you take your Frank Sinatra albums and your class and stop trying to reprimand me for something as small as an opinion. This is my subtle opinion after their performance and I'm talking with others about it in a free forum. If you disagree than fine that's what this place is about.

What I don't get is why you're up my ass with your BS. Share your weak ass opinion and get it over with. Stop thinking what you're typing is going across the desk of Daniel Snyder himself.


You're not that important so speaking collectively on the behalf of all Skins fans is not something that you've been appointed to. I have every bit of the respect to share my perspective as you.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;473677]Here we go with guys being classier than me...good job, you beat me. You're classier than me. Damn...I really wanted to outclass you but to no avail...Shucks

Tell you what...why don't you take your Frank Sinatra albums and your class and stop trying to reprimand me for something as small as an opinion. This is my subtle opinion after their performance and I'm talking with others about it in a free forum. If you disagree than fine that's what this place is about.

What I don't get is why you're up my ass with your BS. Share your weak ass opinion and get it over with. Stop thinking what you're typing is going across the desk of Daniel Snyder himself.


You're not that important so speaking collectively on the behalf of all Skins fans is not something that you've been appointed to. I have every bit of the respect to share my perspective as you.[/quote]

:blah: :blah: :blah:

Wait, how did you know I had Frank Sinatra cds? :rofl:

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There's too much angst in Redskins land. If the Skins continue to struggle, I think I may quit bothering with forums all together. My threshold for ignorant and impatient fan opinions is reaching its max.

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[quote=Lady Brave;473686]There's too much angst in Redskins land. If the Skins continue to struggle, I think I may quit bothering with forums all together. My threshold for ignorant and impatient fan opinions is reaching its max.[/quote]

Don't you think you're overreacting just a bit??


...annnnnd CUT...we just came full circle.

I'd like to thank everyone for participating on this exercise in agitation.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;473692]Don't you think you're overreacting just a bit??


...annnnnd CUT...we just came full circle.

I'd like to thank everyone for participating on this exercise in agitation.[/quote]
It's not an overreaction. Not in the slightest. I do find myself getting bored reading the same redundant arguments day in and day out, but that's just me.

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[quote=Lady Brave;473694]It's not an overreaction. Not in the slightest. I do find myself getting bored reading the same redundant arguments day in and day out, but that's just me.[/quote]


Me too. See you on here tomorrow, have a good night.

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Can we lock these negative overreactive threads? All what they are doing is... :bdh:

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haha so I just wasted ten minutes of life reading the last two pages of this thread. Gave me a good laugh though.

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[quote=Lady Brave;473694]It's not an overreaction. Not in the slightest. I do find myself getting bored reading the same redundant arguments day in and day out, but that's just me.[/quote]

It's not just you.

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[quote=Stacks42;473276]My point is the skins had an extra preseason game to prepare for this. They came out completely flat on both sides of the ball, and it ultimately cost them the game.

2 weeks ago, it was a "wake up call" against the panthers, well no one woke up. Last week it was an eye opener, well someone fell asleep on the job. Everyone said "its preseason, wait until it really counts" well we saw they performed, when it really counted, and that is very disappointing.

I can understand an tolerate a loss, its the NFL it happens. But to have your team manhandled like they were in the 1st quarter is embarrassing. Our O-line looked over matched against a team that lost its 2 top defenders, our D line was non-existent, the corners and safeties looked like they had no clue what was going on until the 2nd half. And Campbell well, he was just horrible, there is going to be a learning curve (I am interested to see how Farve does this season, he is in a new system, will it take him 2 years to learn how to play the game he has played his whole life?)

Its hard to be too optimistic when you have one of the hardest schedules in the league, and you can't get positive yardage and a first down, until the very end of the first half!
Lastly I saw a total lack of urgency in Zorn’s play calling, running up the gut is going to wear down Portis, arguably our best player, and then we are in real trouble.

If the skins had merely lost I could have accepted, but they were dominated. There are a myriad of problems on both the offensive and defensive side of the ball, and our season does not get much easier.[/quote]

Actually Favre himself said that the Jets system is very similar, it is just terminology which is different. Therefore Favre is not learning a whole new system and would make a poor comparison.

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[quote=The Goat;473387]Dude, you've got me LMOA. Not laughing at you so don't take this the wrong way but I've never heard Chris Cooley described as a nice player. Shit, just saying that out loud makes me crack up. Cooley has been under-utilized even in his best season, and has shown the talent and athleticism to take over a game. He's a phenom in waiting IMO and I'm hoping Zorn and Co. can hash out a game-plan that let's Cooley be the dominant offensive force he should be.

You could be right about Westbrook over CP but isn't it impossible to say since Westbrook has been blessed in Philly w/ an offensive genius for an HC. CP has been far less fortunate in his path w/ the exception of his brief stint in Denver. More to the point, try thinking about what CP would have done in Westbrook's circumstances. I still think CP can take over a game and it's up to Zorn and the offensive line to give him the opportunity w/ play-calling and decent blocking.

On to Davis, if Zorn and the FO spent a 2nd round pick on the most prolific TE in college ball last year just so he could spend his time blocking we might as well call it a season. Dude showed awesome hands and almost WR like ability to run routes and make defenders miss. If we don't find a way to incorporate him in the offense as a downfield target it looks like the worst pick of the draft.

But here's where we agree - JC is the worst QB in the division (assuming Dono is back to his old self). That is a shitty reality for us, but I'm not ready to say JC is just a shitty QB. He's shown flashes and now he needs to settle into the WCO. Hopefully his experience in the WC from senior year @ Auburn will start to pay dividends. Hopefully he progresses quick enough that we won't have to right '08 off.[/quote]

I agree that Campbell is the worst QB in the division - right now.

He is also the least experienced. He has also been jerked around between different offensive systems unlike any other QB in the division. McNabb, for example, has had the same system the entire millenium.

Give JC some time and I think you will see this situation change.

I gotta disagree about the Portis/Westbrook comments posted earlier. Westbrook is very good, don't get me wrong. But Portis can run with him, can catch with him, and is the best pass-blocking back in the league.

A true Skins fan will be patient right now rather than hatin' on the boys.

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Sorry Matty i cant be like the other greenpeas and kiss you tush on this one. Campbell is horrible hands down. The play calling was even worse. Over-reacting no i don't think so. We should've won that game. Is it me or do we always have to wait until week 13 and play one loss and done football to show what we're made of?

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Why does this thread have to be about kissing my ass?

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[quote=Lotus;474196]I agree that Campbell is the worst QB in the division - right now.

He is also the least experienced. He has also been jerked around between different offensive systems unlike any other QB in the division. McNabb, for example, has had the same system the entire millenium.

Give JC some time and I think you will see this situation change.

I gotta disagree about the Portis/Westbrook comments posted earlier. Westbrook is very good, don't get me wrong. But Portis can run with him, can catch with him, and is the best pass-blocking back in the league.

A true Skins fan will be patient right now rather than hatin' on the boys.[/quote]

I agree with everything you and Goat are saying with the expection saying JC is the worst QB in the division. I think E. Manning is the worst in the division. The problem I see with JC this year is he is so worried about thrown an interception that he is playing too scared. He needs to loosen up. Hopefully by game 3 or 4 everyone will see a totally different JC.

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Okay, it's Tuesday. Week one of football is doneski. Let's talk Saints.

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After week 1, I am glad that we aren't the Raiders because they looked 10 times worse than we did.

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[quote=mcarey032;474265]After week 1, I am glad that we aren't the Raiders because they looked 10 times worse than we did.[/quote]

Is that possible? Because I could swear, by the way people are reacting by our week 1 play, they think we're going to be last year's Fins team. :doh:

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as my signature says...is the sky falling? this is the same type of overreaction i saw here after the panthers debacle in the preseason. Relax redskin fans...the ship hasnt sunk yet.

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[quote=mcarey032;474265]After week 1, I am glad that we aren't the Raiders because they looked 10 times worse than we did.[/quote]
So now we are down to comparing the Redskins to the Raiders. Man that hurts.

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[quote=Defensewins;473278]I am not amazed. After spending an entire off season reading post here on TWP of a certain group of very overly optimistic fans saying we were a top team in the NFC east, I was expecting this to happen. I was expecting this kind of reaction from fans. These are the same fans that cried foul when the 'so called' professional prognosticators had us coming in last or next to last in the NFC east this season.

[/quote]

Yeah im alil amazed at some people calling for zorn's head or wanting collins or colt to start; but i was alil amazed at people thinking we were gonna win 10-12 games this year too. I think we have to careful to not lump people venting frustration at JC's lack of progression (like me unfortunately) as a big group who wants JC out of there.

I think if you polled people, the majority would say they want JC to start the rest of the year no matter what but are starting to doubt JC has what it takes to go from a good qb to a great one.

Point is (like in the media) the small percent of extreme views get the majority of the discussion. When I say "JC is good, i hope he can turn it up this year and be great" no one responds and why should they; but if someone posts "JC is a stupid POS and colt should start" they get a million responses telling them why they're wrong. Just human nature but truth be told I think most skins fans are willing to wait and watch this year; read the posts in this thread most people agree with what matty is saying.

so in short i dont think there is a mass fan crisis on our hands, just a few loud spoken dissenters.

go skins!!!!

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wow....stuck down the toilet with the raiders....how the mighty redskins have fallen in the eyes of their fans.

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This may be off subject. But did anybody see vinny cerrato up in the box seats. He looked like a deer in headlights or he snorted some serious shit. His eyes freaked me out I don't want that affiliated with my favorite team. I was hoping all the smack talk about him was just banter but I saw that for the home opener and it didn't look good at all.

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[quote=FREE-AG3NT;474362]This may be off subject. But did anybody see vinny cerrato up in the box seats. He looked like a deer in headlights or he snorted some serious shit. His eyes freaked me out I don't want that affiliated with my favorite team. I was hoping all the smack talk about him was just banter but I saw that for the home opener and I didn't look good at all.[/quote]

He always looks bug eyed. What does that really matter?

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[quote=FREE-AG3NT;474362]This may be off subject. But did anybody see vinny cerrato up in the box seats. He looked like a deer in headlights or he snorted some serious shit. His eyes freaked me out I don't want that affiliated with my favorite team. I was hoping all the smack talk about him was just banter but I saw that for the home opener and I didn't look good at all.[/quote]


I know what you are saying. I saw him too. He looked STRESSED big time. I am sure if the camera paned on our faces we probably looked the same as Vinny.

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[quote=FREE-AG3NT;474362]This may be off subject. But did anybody see vinny cerrato up in the box seats. He looked like a deer in headlights or he snorted some serious shit. His eyes freaked me out I don't want that affiliated with my favorite team. I was hoping all the smack talk about him was just banter but I saw that for the home opener and it didn't look good at all.[/quote]
I probably look the same reading some of the posts here....:doh:

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It was just out of the ordinary. If you see it and pay attention you'll know what I mean. Somebody in his position needs to have a clear head and he looked like he was in another world.

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[quote=FREE-AG3NT;474366]It was just out of the ordinary. If you see it and pay attention you'll know what I mean. Somebody in his position needs to have a clear head and he looked like he was in another world.[/quote]


Well come gameday Vinny has about as much control over the team as we do. His game days are between March and June.

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If you're surprised at his bug eyed look you clearly haven't seen him before.

It's not anything unusual for him.

This sure is a perfect thread for this Vinny bug eyed talk, isn't it?

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