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[quote=Mattyk72;499191]5 pages on the release of a 4th CB? Wow.

How about we wait and see how this plays out on the field?[/quote]

same thing I was thinking....

Doesn't it make sense to anyone else that they release the old guy that is going to be replaced by the new guy who is replacing him?

Also, Tryon is a first year corner who may have potential. Remember that this is the first year Rogers has looked good, even though he was a first round pick a couple of years ago. I'm sure that if Jerry Grey thought Torrence was that important he would have made sure they released someone else. Just try to keep "4th corner" in perspective guys.

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[quote=Coff;499245]I'd rather they cut Springs instead of Torrence. Torrence might not be very good in coverage, but at least he plays more than 2 games a year.[/quote]

We should totally cut Portis and pick up Travis Henry while we're at it. :frusty:

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Yeah, Matty's right, this thread is getting out of hand.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;499252]We should totally cut Portis and pick up Travis Henry while we're at it. :frusty:[/quote]

I think it was an ironic statement.

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[quote=GoSkins!;499249]same thing I was thinking....

Doesn't it make sense to anyone else that they release the old guy that is going to be replaced by the new guy who is replacing him?

Also, Tryon is a first year corner who may have potential. Remember that this is the first year Rogers has looked good, even though he was a first round pick a couple of years ago. I'm sure that if Jerry Grey thought Torrence was that important he would have made sure they released someone else. Just try to keep "4th corner" in perspective guys.[/quote]
I thought that Rogers looked good last year too, not great, but very good.

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Good for Torrence. He lands work, I think with a little help from Jerry Gray.

Posted at 5:01 PM ET, 11/10/2008
Torrence Finds Spot in New Orleans

From Jason La Canfora:

Recently released cornerback Leigh Torrence was claimed off waivers by the Saints and Vikings, according to sources. He was awarded to New Orleans based on fact that they have a worse record.

Among the teams that expressed interest in having him visit had he become a free agent were the Patriots, Bears, Eagles and Ravens.

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Hey while were at it......does anyone know why Brunell was throwing with his right hand in his last game? Probably not the place but wasn't he a lefty with us and some of the excuses were that the ball spins the wrong way for the WR's? I kept watching the game just to make sure I was seeing it right.

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anyone see the article in U.S.A. today about players salaries? my man Brunell makes about 6 million/per. Brees makes about 8 million/ per. cant believe they are paying the old lefty that much

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[quote=Coff;499245]I'd rather they cut Springs instead of Torrence. Torrence might not be very good in coverage, but at least he plays more than 2 games a year.[/quote]

Just curious if you are actually serious or if this was a poor attempt at a joke??

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[quote=WaldSkins;499400]Just curious if you are actually serious or if this was a poor attempt at a joke??[/quote]
I honestly thought that if Hall stuck they would cut Springs next year. I kind of agree. Torrence was a real talent that would have made a great fourth corner next year. We would be able to go into next years draft with out even thinking corner. If it were up to me I would have released Fincher. Cerrato said they might only keep five LBs prior to the season and load up the practice squad. That is what I would have done. I love the Hall adition, but letting a corner like Torrence go was careless.

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You got me thinking Killa. (About time right?) If Hall does'nt make it, who replaces him and Torrence next year? Tryon? That may be the case. More than likely Fincher would have been safe on the practice squad and we could have opened up a space there by releasing Westbrook who is'nt as valuable as Torrence. I could be wrong but I don't see Westbrook having much of a future here.

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[quote=dmek25;499395]anyone see the article in U.S.A. today about players salaries? my man Brunell makes about 6 million/per. Brees makes about 8 million/ per. cant believe they are paying the old lefty that much[/quote]They're not. That would have been Brunell's base salary here in 2008 had he not been released.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;499402]I honestly thought that if Hall stuck they would cut Springs next year. I kind of agree. Torrence was a real talent that would have made a great fourth corner next year. We would be able to go into next years draft with out even thinking corner. If it were up to me I would have released Fincher. Cerrato said they might only keep five LBs prior to the season and load up the practice squad. That is what I would have done. I love the Hall adition, but letting a corner like Torrence go was careless.[/quote]

Release Fincher? Put down the peace pipe Tonto! Fincher is a hitting machine. One day he will start in this league. Right now, he is one of the Redskins better special teams players. Against the Steelers, it was Fincher that was heads up and recovered the onside kick at the beginning of the game. On punts and kick offs, he is making the tackle or around the ball constantly.

I think the Skins should have retained Torrence and either cut the midget (Tryon) or put Malcolm Kelley on injured reserve.

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[quote=Redskins_P;499247]LOL, you can't be serious. Cut Springs instead of Torrence?[/quote]


[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]I would not seriously expect the Skins to cut Springs instead of Torrence, but I think the suggestion deserves a closer look. The point was more to highlight my frustration with Springs as well as the direction of the front office. [/FONT][/SIZE]
[FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][/SIZE][/FONT]
[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]Skinsfan69 expressed concern that the Skins are moving in the wrong direction, the “pre-Joe days” of Danny and Vinny, and I can kind of see that. Instead of investing in a young, on-the-rise, 26 year old corner who comes cheap (Torrence), we bring in big name corner in Hall, while at the same time a guy like Springs, a 32-year-old injury prone corner, is soaking up a substantial amount of our salary cap, while contributing very little on the field. [/FONT][/SIZE]
[FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][/SIZE][/FONT]
[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]When added up, these conditions do not seem to point toward a well thought out, long term method for improving this football team. Rather, it appears as a rash, slightly illogical approach to team building that emphasizes big names and hasty judgments. [/FONT][/SIZE]

[FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]T.O. Killa made a great point: if the Hall deal works out, it will make a lot of sense to cut Springs next season. With Rogers and Hall at corner, it would be crazy to spend over 7 million a year on a #3 corner, especially if he’s injured for much of the season. So if we were to cut Springs, we would need another corner, preferably a cheap, young corner who is a great role player. Know of anyone who fits that description? Oh yeah, Leigh Torrence. [/SIZE][/FONT]

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[quote=Coff;499772]T.O. Killa made a great point: if the Hall deal works out, it will make a lot of sense to cut Springs next season. With Rogers and Hall at corner, it would be crazy to spend over 7 million a year on a #3 corner, especially if he’s injured for much of the season. So if we were to cut Springs, we would need another corner, preferably a cheap, young corner who is a great role player. Know of anyone who fits that description? Oh yeah, Leigh Torrence. [/quote]

Oh wait, here's a better idea for a third corner: Smoot.

Regardless of whether Hall or Springs stays, the debate is "who should have been our 4th corner of the future: Torrence or Tryon". Not a debate I am losing sleep over.

Also, for the record, Springs is under contract for one more year and I am betting he plays out his contract. Yes, I know it's an expensive year and, yes, I know he only gives us so many games. He is also, for those games worth every bit of his top corner pay. Many teams have paid top dollar for part time players and, IMO, Springs is one those type players. Against the tall, strong receivers he is absolutely a shut down guy. Plus, that gives us one more year to develop depth (either Tryon or some other player).

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If Hall works out than Springs will get the ax. [B]Period[/B] The corners next year would then be Hall, Rodgers, Smoot, Tryon (or someone else). Springs is way to old and a he's salary cap liability.

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[quote=hail_2_da_skins;499736]Release Fincher? Put down the peace pipe Tonto! Fincher is a hitting machine. One day he will start in this league. Right now, he is one of the Redskins better special teams players. Against the Steelers, it was Fincher that was heads up and recovered the onside kick at the beginning of the game. On punts and kick offs, he is making the tackle or around the ball constantly.

I think the Skins should have retained Torrence and either cut the midget (Tryon) or put Malcolm Kelley on injured reserve.[/quote]
Ok, so he fell on a ball that came right to him, big deal. As for being a hitting machine, I have not seen that. He was cut by New Orleans who has a crappy defense and then cut by the Lions in pre-season , before the first round of cuts. I think he would have been safe on the practice squad.

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[quote=vallin21;499809]If Hall works out than Springs will get the ax. [B]Period[/B] The corners next year would then be Hall, Rodgers, Smoot, Tryon (or someone else). Springs is way to old and a he's salary cap liability.[/quote]

Too old for what? salary cap liability for who?...not yet on either... One its a mistake to give springs his walking papers right now, he misses games here and there now(he used to be there every game) but he is a top flight corner in this league....he matches up (size and speed wise) with TO all day long and plexico too. plus he can still run, last time i checked springs was our best corner. he still is despite carlos's emergence. plus out of hall, smoot, rodgers, tryon...who can play safety....dont say rogers because he has had a couple hits either. keeping springs would be logical on many fronts and keep our defense great depth at 2 positions more than any of those other 4 guys.

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wow that was a donkey chicken scratch post, but the content is there...SPRINGS is the more logical guy to keep......even more so than smoot, hall, or rogers. i would agree though that rogers is our future at the position, but hes not better at 26 or 27 than springs is at 33. ask greg blache, when springs is healthy hes on the top reciever, bottom line. plex had a day against rogers in the opening game but i will give him a pass because he was coming off that injury but i trust springs more than anyone else on this team in pass coverage.

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[quote=holcknowsbest;499836]wow that was a donkey chicken scratch post, but the content is there...SPRINGS is the more logical guy to keep......even more so than smoot, hall, or rogers. i would agree though that rogers is our future at the position, but hes not better at 26 or 27 than springs is at 33. ask greg blache, [B]when springs is healthy[/B] hes on the top reciever, bottom line. plex had a day against rogers in the opening game but i will give him a pass because he was coming off that injury but i trust springs more than anyone else on this team in pass coverage.[/quote]

As much as I like Springs, this "when healthy" phrase always seems to accompany any praise that is given to him. Unfortunately, as the years pass, the likelyhood of injury will continue. Therefore I don't think is worth keeping him as a CB. Maybe as a Safety.

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[quote=Ruhskins;499859]As much as I like Springs, this "when healthy" phrase always seems to accompany any praise that is given to him. Unfortunately, as the years pass, the likelyhood of injury will continue. Therefore I don't think is worth keeping him as a CB. Maybe as a Safety.[/quote]As a safety though, he's not even a starter.

Basically, if we think he can continue to be a starting corner on a team that employs DeAngelo Hall and Fred Smoot in all of their glory, we should extend his contract. If we don't feel he can stay healthy enough to be a starting corner, then we have to release him at year's end.

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listen did we say anything about carlos and his injuries i bet he has missed more games than springs the last two years.........without researching i know i am within 2 or 3 games of being correct......there is something to say that if you line up springs over top of owens or any other elite reciever(steve smith, andre johnson, randy moss,....) i am way more confident with him rather than rogers.....like i said i am a huge fan of rogers, but you dont cut the best corner on your team, its a no no.......and 28 played until he was 43 at the corner position......springs can still run and still cover as good as anyone, i cant stress enough that out of hall, smoot, rogers, hes the best....there is no argument, the coaches agree youll see based on the assignments he draws week in and week out since he is been here...think in terms of best players and not younger talent...thats what you want right now, the time will come for our young guys to contribute, but for now you resign an elite nfl corner, and i think this injury bug is over projected.......rogers knee can go at anytime just like anyone elses, the more the marrier

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Since 2006, Springs has missed 11 games to Carlos' 10.

So Holc is right, although curiously forgets to account for Rogers' missing 9 games thanks to a single injury, while Springs missed 11 games due to 7 or 8 different injuries.

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I was the person who started the cut Torrence thread. I didn't really want him to get cut. It sucks to see anyone lose his job. But, come on guys we should have seen this coming for a long time.

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I can't believe this thread is still going.

You know it's a bye week when....

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[quote=Vulta121;499954]I was the person who started the cut Torrence thread. I didn't really want him to get cut. It sucks to see anyone lose his job. But, come on guys we should have seen this coming for a long time.[/quote]

Yeah, I was bashing Torrence back in preseason after watching him get toasted by rookie wideouts. I wasn't sorry to see him go.