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Also;
ours:
2nd round: Thomas- WR 13 games 14 catches, 103 yds (+ 1 TD called back :( ) 2 Rushes 45 yds, 1 TD
2nd round: Davis - TE 7 games 1 catch 6 yards (inactive after Detroit game did something happen in that one?)
2nd round: Kelly - WR 5 games 3 catches 18yds
7th round: Horton - SS 12 games 65 tackles, 3 INT

I know there are others. didn't get all the stats...

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^^ ive been wondering why davis hasnt seen the field since the first half of the season too. logic would say his playing time and participation would increase.

anyone know something we dont know about davis?

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[quote=over the mountain;509823]^^ ive been wondering why davis hasnt seen the field since the first half of the season too. logic would say his playing time and participation would increase.

anyone know something we dont know about davis?[/quote]

Please not the doesn't understand the playbook answer though, because he was activated for all the games until after Detroit.

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Was Detroit where we tried the end around with Davis?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;509827]Was Detroit where we tried the end around with Davis?[/quote]Cleveland.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;509808]Just an fyi:


1st round: Jake Long - OT played in all 13 games
2nd round: Merling - DE played in all 13 games 17 tackles
3rd round: Langford - DT played in all 13 games 26 tackles
4th round: Murphy - OT played in 0 games
6th round: Thomas - OG played in 0 games
7th round: Dotson - DE played in 2 games 1 tackle.[/quote]

Pretty good. All 6 lineman they drafted made the team, with half of them playing in every game. Not to mention they got their future QB in Chad Henne and good complimentary WR in Davone Bess who has contributed 39 catches (more than our top 3 picks combined) and 744 all-purpose yards (WAY more than our top 3 picks combined).

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[quote=SmootSmack;509790]I just bring it up because A)it's likely that most of those guys have little to do nothing do with the Dolphins' improvement this season and b)why are we praising guys on other teams who have yet to contribute anything (in all likelihood, I don't know for a fact) yet are so quick to dismiss our own draft picks?[/quote]

Then it looks like we're arguing about two different things. My point, and I think GMScud's also, is to contrast the drafting strategy of the Redskins under Snyder and Cerrato and Bill Parcells who knows how to build a team up from the ashes.

I'm not ready to dismiss Thomas, Kelly and Davis as busts yet either. And in fact, I was willing to give Cerrato the benefit of the doubt on drafting them because receiver was obvioulsy an area of need. But to ignore the offensive and defensive lines year after year is inexcusable. They haven't spent a high draft choice (3rd or higher) on a D-linemen since Kenard Lang in 1997. And there's been just two high draft picks (Rinehart and Dockery) chosen along the O-line in eight years.

That sort of mindset defies the formula that elite teams use to build themselves up and prepare for the future. And this front office has done it for almost a decade now.

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Let's just hope Campbell can survive the rest of the season.

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[quote=Beemnseven;509866]Then it looks like we're arguing about two different things. My point, and I think GMScud's also, is to contrast the drafting strategy of the Redskins under Snyder and Cerrato and Bill Parcells who knows how to build a team up from the ashes.

I'm not ready to dismiss Thomas, Kelly and Davis as busts yet either. And in fact, I was willing to give Cerrato the benefit of the doubt on drafting them because receiver was obvioulsy an area of need. But to ignore the offensive and defensive lines year after year is inexcusable. They haven't spent a high draft choice (3rd or higher) on a D-linemen since Kenard Lang in 1997. And there's been just two high draft picks (Rinehart and Dockery) chosen along the O-line in eight years.

That sort of mindset defies the formula that elite teams use to build themselves up and prepare for the future. And this front office has done it for almost a decade now.[/quote]

I don't think it's any secret in the NFL, among analysts, or among more knowledgeable fans that the Skins FO, under Snyder's ownership, has been appallingly bad at finding trench talent through the draft and even in FA. Last draft we used the "excuse" of looking for the best overall talent instead of drafting needs, evidently. I have to call bullshit at this point - not a single offensive player drafted has made a significant contribution through 13 games. That's the simple fact of it and it is inexcusable, and would never be tolerated in an elite franchise. Parcells would mop the floor w/ Vinny's smirking little face and send him packing.

Beyond this season I'm more and more worried that our lack of talent among the talent-finders @ Redskins Park is going to keep Zorn from realizing the kind of success we'd all like to see.

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[quote=Beemnseven;509866]Then it looks like we're arguing about two different things. [B]My point, and I think GMScud's also[/B], is to contrast the drafting strategy of the Redskins under Snyder and Cerrato and Bill Parcells who knows how to build a team up from the ashes.

I'm not ready to dismiss Thomas, Kelly and Davis as busts yet either. And in fact, I was willing to give Cerrato the benefit of the doubt on drafting them because receiver was obvioulsy an area of need. But to ignore the offensive and defensive lines year after year is inexcusable. They haven't spent a high draft choice (3rd or higher) on a D-linemen since Kenard Lang in 1997. And there's been just two high draft picks (Rinehart and Dockery) chosen along the O-line in eight years.

That sort of mindset defies the formula that elite teams use to build themselves up and prepare for the future. And this front office has done it for almost a decade now.[/quote]

Yessir. That's pretty much exactly what I'm saying.

What good are three 2nd round pass catchers if you have no time to throw to them?

It's appalling how we have flagrantly just ignored the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball in the draft.

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[quote=Beemnseven;509866]Then it looks like we're arguing about two different things. My point, and I think GMScud's also, is to contrast the drafting strategy of the Redskins under Snyder and Cerrato and Bill Parcells who knows how to build a team up from the ashes.

I'm not ready to dismiss Thomas, Kelly and Davis as busts yet either. And in fact, I was willing to give Cerrato the benefit of the doubt on drafting them because receiver was obvioulsy an area of need. But to ignore the offensive and defensive lines year after year is inexcusable. They haven't spent a high draft choice (3rd or higher) on a D-linemen since Kenard Lang in 1997. And there's been just two high draft picks (Rinehart and Dockery) chosen along the O-line in eight years.

That sort of mindset defies the formula that elite teams use to build themselves up and prepare for the future. And this front office has done it for almost a decade now.[/quote]


Well, I think we do have some young talent on the defensive line (who cares what round they were drafted in), but they need to stay healthy and play regularly. I'm not overly concerned with our front four on defense. Sure, a dominant pass rusher would be nice. I definitely want some linebacker help though (paging Karlos Dansby!)

Offensively, yeah we absolutely need to improve the line. I'm a huge Rinehart fan (sorry curmudgeon) and I think Heyer can be solid, or at least serviceable as a starter. But we need more help there to be sure. I'd love it if our first two picks were spent on Duke Robinson and Max Unger for example.

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Agreed. If you have to prioritize it, the offensive line should be addressed first. The front four will have to make-do as they have for a while now.

But sooner or later, we're going to have to find a game-changing monster at the D-line to really cause some havoc.

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The Skins sold us a bill of goods with this draft class! Rhinehart cannot get any playing time? THIS IS NUTS!

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[quote=Beemnseven;509903]Agreed. If you have to prioritize it, the offensive line should be addressed first. The front four will have to make-do as they have for a while now.

But sooner or later, we're going to have to find a game-changing monster at the D-line to really cause some havoc.[/quote]

True, but I think it will have to be later than sooner. I mean, I look at this way. Golston, Montgomery, and Alexander are solid with room to grow. Never really liked Rabach, and Thomas and Kendall won't ever be any better than they are now. They're on the downward slope of their career so...bring on Duke and Max!

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Smootsmack:

Are you dismissing Michael Oher (OT, Ole Miss) and/or Andre Smith (OT, 'Bama) from draft consideration because you think they will be gone by the time the skins get to pick or don't you like either of these guys? Just curious...


I think both Oher and Smith will be outstanding NFL offensive linemen.

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;510503]Smootsmack:

Are you dismissing Michael Oher (OT, Ole Miss) and/or Andre Smith (OT, 'Bama) from draft consideration because you think they will be gone by the time the skins get to pick or don't you like either of these guys? Just curious...


I think both Oher and Smith will be outstanding NFL offensive linemen.[/quote]

Don't think they'll be around.