Re: Brian Cushing
 

[quote=SC Skins Fan;522194]As I said, I am not an advocate of trading Rogers, but if he gets traded I was looking for potential landing spots. Why trade him for a low #2? Because if the Skins are intent on dealing him they aren't likely to get anything more. Look at recent trades in the NFL. The Eagles couldn't get more than a #2 for Lito Sheppard. DeAngelo Hall went for a 2nd in 2008 and 5th in 2009. Jeremy Shockey went for a future 2nd and future 5th. Jason Taylor a future 2nd. But you expect a team to give up a mid-1st for Rogers? Not very likely.[/quote]

I totally agree with you that they would not get more then a #2...very few NFL players can command a #1 pick in trade. My point is that I think he is worth more then a #2 to the Redskins so it makes no sense at all to trade him. However, I do fear that the Redskins front office is incompitent enough to go ahead and trade him.

Re: Brian Cushing
 

I get the sense that we could trade Rogers to the Broncos for Ryan Clady and three 1st round picks...and we'll still find a way to bash the front office for being incompetent

Re: Brian Cushing
 

[quote=SmootSmack;522205]I get the sense that we could trade Rogers to the Broncos for Ryan Clady and three 1st round picks...and we'll still find a way to bash the front office for being incompetent[/quote]

lol...you may be right! Well I think we spent the 9th pick on him and IMO he has played well enough to still hold at least mid 1st round value. So if they are going to trade him I would want his real value not some reduced we need to recoup lost draft pick value. That's all. I don't think we can get that value but that's what i would want to move him. And our front office has not exactly earned the benefit of the doubt in the past 10 years.

Re: Brian Cushing
 

[quote=SmootSmack;522205]I get the sense that we could trade Rogers to the Broncos for Ryan Clady and three 1st round picks...and we'll still find a way to bash the front office for being incompetent[/quote]

dude I'd nut myself if we traded Rogers for Clady straight up. we'll just draft another CB. lol

Re: Brian Cushing
 

[quote=SmootSmack;522205]I get the sense that we could trade Rogers to the Broncos for Ryan Clady and three 1st round picks...and we'll still find a way to bash the front office for being incompetent[/quote]

Why not four first round picks?

Re: Brian Cushing
 

[quote=Dirtbag359;522298]Why not four first round picks?[/quote]

Because Bruce Allen isn't here to save us!!!!

Re: Brian Cushing
 

[quote=SC Skins Fan;522118]I'm no fan of trading Rogers. But let's say that it is more than just the due diligence by the FO or incessant FO bashing by JLC. Maybe it makes some sense if Rogers really is expecting huge money in free agency (of course, it takes two to tango and I wonder how many teams would be willing to give him big $$$). Anyway, if Rogers were to go, how about the following trade scenario?

Redskins: Rd. 1, Pick 13; Carlos Rogers

Detroit: Rd. 1, Pick 20; Rd. 2, Pick 33; Rd. 3, Pick 65

By the draft value chart that works out to trading Rogers for a 2nd rounder in the bottom third of that round (fair value it seems to me, though not enough value but I guess that is beside the point). I could see Detroit possibly willing to move up in Round 1 if they take a QB at #1 and then want to move up to get the last of the D-Linemen they covet or LB help (MAUALUGA, LAURINAITIS). You know their corners are suspect and Bodden is due a big roster bonus. That would seem a decent trade (until Springs misses half the season and we end up with Hall and Smoot starting with Tryon at the Nickel).[/quote]

You might not be too far off. Bodden is pretty much gone. But besides that, I think the Lions are almost becoming a lock to draft Andre Smith first (or some OT) and I know they want a QB as well. They may find themselves wanting (needing) to move up in the draft to get their guy.

Suppose they don't take a QB first overall, between them and us at 13 you're really looking at just the Chiefs and Niners as likely teams wanting a QB. So let's say the Chiefs took one of the top two QBs then you could see the Lions trading up before the Niners. But if the Chiefs don't take a QB, even if the Niners do, you have us in a good spot to trade with the Lions and allow them to catapult the Jets, Bears, and Bucs (17-19) all teams that may want/need a QB

Re: Brian Cushing
 

[quote=SC Skins Fan;522118]I'm no fan of trading Rogers. But let's say that it is more than just the due diligence by the FO or incessant FO bashing by JLC. Maybe it makes some sense if Rogers really is expecting huge money in free agency (of course, it takes two to tango and I wonder how many teams would be willing to give him big $$$). Anyway, if Rogers were to go, how about the following trade scenario?

[B]Redskins: Rd. 1, Pick 13; Carlos Rogers

Detroit: Rd. 1, Pick 20; Rd. 2, Pick 33; Rd. 3, Pick 65[/B]

By the draft value chart that works out to trading Rogers for a 2nd rounder in the bottom third of that round (fair value it seems to me, though not enough value but I guess that is beside the point). I could see Detroit possibly willing to move up in Round 1 if they take a QB at #1 and then want to move up to get the last of the D-Linemen they covet or LB help (MAUALUGA, LAURINAITIS). You know their corners are suspect and Bodden is due a big roster bonus. That would seem a decent trade (until Springs misses half the season and we end up with Hall and Smoot starting with Tryon at the Nickel).[/quote]

It's like a mini version of the Herschel Walker trade!

Re: Brian Cushing
 

Word is Alex Mack is moving up toward the top of the Redskins draft board, for what it's worth. Remember it's still early

Re: Brian Cushing
 

[quote=SmootSmack;522557]Word is Alex Mack is moving up toward the top of the Redskins draft board, for what it's worth. Remember it's still early[/quote]

I would hope if we take him it would be in a trade-down situation. I'd love to have him, but I haven't seen any mock drafts with him going in the 1st round, let alone as high as 13.

Re: Brian Cushing
 

I concur Scud

Re: Brian Cushing
 

[quote=SmootSmack;522566]I concur Scud[/quote]

It would have to be a trade down actually, because 13 is way too high, we don't have a 2nd round pick, and he almost certainly won't be around when we pick in the 3rd.

I'm just happy to hear that O-lineman are on the top of our draft board. Phew.

Re: Brian Cushing
 

[quote=SmootSmack;522557]Word is Alex Mack is moving up toward the top of the Redskins draft board, for what it's worth. Remember it's still early[/quote]

I like him, and I've seen him creepin' up in the 1st round of mock drafts...but I bet if he finishes out strong this week and has a good game this weekend, and has good combine numbers in 2 months, then i could see him goin' up to mid first round...fills a need for the skins and can start all along the interior, don't need to re-sign Kendall...possibly start over Rabach, if not, then at LG...but depends how Rinehart is lookin' and if any of the top OTs are still available

Re: Brian Cushing
 

[quote=SmootSmack;522557]Word is Alex Mack is moving up toward the top of the Redskins draft board, for what it's worth. Remember it's still early[/quote]

That is music to my ears!

Re: Brian Cushing
 

[quote=Whiteboi_J;522570]I like him, and I've seen him creepin' up in the 1st round of mock drafts...but I bet if he finishes out strong this week and has a good game this weekend, and has good combine numbers in 2 months, then i could see him goin' up to mid first round...fills a need for the skins and can start all along the interior, don't need to re-sign Kendall...possibly start over Rabach, if not, then at LG...but depends how Rinehart is lookin' and if any of the top OTs are still available[/quote]

Yeah, he's apparently being considered (not only by the Skins but several teams) more for his abilities as a Guard than a Center.

Mack, Cushing, Matthews, are the three guys (best as I could figure out) that most intrigued the Skins this week. But you never know really. I think VC feels it's a pretty weak year for offensive linemen. Weak in the sense that if you don't get one early then you're pretty much wasting your time. I disagree, I think it's a very deep OL class. But I'm not calling the shots...yet :)

Seriously though, this could mean they're thinking get that OL in the first round then trade into some point in the second and hope that Cushing or Matthews are there?

Love the offseason!

Re: Brian Cushing
 

[quote=53Fan;522590]That is music to my ears![/quote]

I would pick Mack with the 13th pick, in my opinion he's worth it. It's funny how in the old days the C was what a LT is now considered, invaluable!! I still say that as the QB of the OL, that this guy will make our OL better all around.

Re: Brian Cushing
 

[quote=SFREDSKIN;522634]I would pick Mack with the 13th pick, in my opinion he's worth it. It's funny how in the old days the C was what a LT is now considered, invaluable!! I still say that as the QB of the OL, that this guy will make our OL better all around.[/quote]

Kiper has him being picked at the bottom of the first round.

Re: Brian Cushing
 

[quote=Ruhskins;522640]Kiper has him being picked at the bottom of the first round.[/quote]

I know. Those so called experts sometimes don't squat, Brian Bosworth, Mandarich, Couch, etc. I have a gut feeling about Mack, kinda reminds me Dermonti Dawson.

Re: Brian Cushing
 

[quote=Ruhskins;522640]Kiper has him being picked at the bottom of the first round.[/quote]

Don Banks has Cushing at 14 while Rey Maualuga goes to the Broncos @ 12. Curry is in the top ten. Don't want to sound like a broken record here but i just don't see the appeal of Cushing w/ the durability issue and all.

... being that OL and LB are really the biggest needs for us (disregarding FA at this point) @ 13 we should be able to draft a game-changer at one of the two spots. There are 3 O tackles and the 2 LBs looking like early 1st round talent (leaving Cushing out)... be very, very nice if one of those fell to us. We could address the other position in FA.

Re: Brian Cushing
 

[quote=Ruhskins;522640]Kiper has him being picked at the bottom of the first round.[/quote]

Kiper also has Dirty Sanchez going to the chiefs at three overall.

Re: Brian Cushing
 

[quote=The Goat;522997]Don Banks has Cushing at 14 while Rey Maualuga goes to the Broncos @ 12. Curry is in the top ten. Don't want to sound like a broken record here but i just don't see the appeal of Cushing w/ the durability issue and all.

... being that OL and LB are really the biggest needs for us (disregarding FA at this point) @ 13 we should be able to draft a game-changer at one of the two spots. There are 3 O tackles and the 2 LBs looking like early 1st round talent (leaving Cushing out)... be very, very nice if one of those fell to us. We could address the other position in FA.[/quote]

Lol, if it's durability issues then we're on top of it. Bring him in ASAP.

Re: Brian Cushing
 

[quote=GMScud;522568]It would have to be a trade down actually, because 13 is way too high, we don't have a 2nd round pick, and he almost certainly won't be around when we pick in the 3rd.

[B]I'm just happy to hear that O-lineman are on the top of our draft board. Phew.[/B][/quote]

Agreed. Last year the FO talked a lot about getting a wideout, and they did. So if this pattern stands, our first pick will be a o-lineman.

Re: Brian Cushing
 

That"s what I've been saying all year long, we need a real playmaker on D! we need a guy who can take the game over aka Ray Lewis.You just don"t pass on a "BEAST" !


"5 in a row or we don"t go " the sign of a lifetime !

Re: Brian Cushing
 

[quote=skinsfan77;523051]That"s what I've been saying all year long, we need a real playmaker on D! we need a guy who can take the game over aka Ray Lewis.You just don"t pass on a "[B]BEAST[/B]" !


"5 in a row or we don"t go " the sign of a lifetime ![/quote]
this is a word that makes me laugh. every year someones so called "beast" is another mans scrub. thrown around way too much

Re: Brian Cushing
 

Cushing, going by the clip, looks like a helluva player. He's as explosive as anyone I've seen going through the gaps and saying he looks like a tackling machine is an understatement.

My only concern with him is- his low sack and turnover production. I don't get caught up with stats too much, but I pay attention to these stats - when assessing playmaking abilities. I would like to pick up a player in this spot and foregoing need- to be able to cause turnovers and get to the quarterback. But he's still a helluva player, IMO.

I'd say if you think you are over-reaching for a defensive and offensive lineman at 13, then he may be a viable option. Especially at defensive tackle, because he may be able to add to the team some of the run-support skills that a playmaking d-tackle would bring.

Re: Brian Cushing
 

[quote=ST21RIP;521876]NO WAY is this guy worthy of the 13th pick. NO WAY. He's 2nd round talent.

Remember Dallas Sartz? He had better numbers than Cushin at SC. He's now selling car insurance.[/quote]

you are retarded....and have know idea what talent is if you are comparing sartz and cushing...are you comparing him cause they are both white and played at usc? well i know you are so please get a clue.

Re: Brian Cushing
 

[quote=holcknowsbest;523207]you are retarded....and have [B]know[/B] idea what talent is if you are comparing sartz and cushing...are you comparing him cause they are both white and played at usc? well i know you are so please get a clue.[/quote]

Mods I'd like to plea for a new rule: name-callers, particularly those who label others as retards, have to use correct friggin grammar in their posts or else receive a week long "ban" if such a thing exists. :oink:

Re: Brian Cushing
 

[quote=The Goat;523210]Mods I'd like to plea for a new rule: name-callers, particularly those who label others as retards, have to use correct friggin grammar in their posts or else receive a week long "ban" if such a thing exists. :oink:[/quote]

Word

I think Cushing is talented but too many questions about him to warrant the 13th overall pick being spent on him.

Re: Brian Cushing
 

[quote=The Goat;523210]Mods I'd like to plea for a new rule: name-callers, particularly those who label others as retards, have to use correct friggin grammar in their posts or else receive a week long "ban" if such a thing exists. :oink:[/quote]

ditto. lol

Re: Brian Cushing
 

[quote=The Goat;523210]Mods I'd like to plea for a new rule: name-callers, particularly those who label others as [B]retards[/B], have to use correct friggin grammar in their posts or else receive a week long "ban" if such a thing exists. :oink:[/quote]

Hey! I resemble that remark!? Or something like that. Anyway, I agree. The punishment must fit the crime. :spank:

Re: Brian Cushing
 

[quote=SFREDSKIN;522634]I would pick Mack with the 13th pick, in my opinion he's worth it. It's funny how in the old days the C was what a LT is now considered, invaluable!! I still say that as the QB of the OL, that this guy will make our OL better all around.[/quote]

I read somewhere that the Steelers would'nt pass on him because they know the value of a good center. Remember Mike Webster? I'm with you SFREDSKIN, I'd take him at 13 too. Although he didn't agree with taking him at 13, GTripp mentioned in another thread how much better we would be able to run up the middle with Mack at center. It would also be nice for JC to have a pocket to run up into if he were pressured from the outside. I feel this guy will be better than good. I think he'll become the best at his position in the NFL. He's been compared to Matt Birk of the Vikings. I think we end up regretting it if we don't take him.

Re: Brian Cushing
 

[quote=The Goat;523210]Mods I'd like to plea for a new rule: name-callers, particularly those who label others as retards, have to use correct friggin grammar in their posts or else receive a week long "ban" if such a thing exists. :oink:[/quote]

I have to disagree. I think the member in question demonstrates grate incite. I would be discusseded if the mods wood chews to adopt such a policy. He should be aloud to post what he wants on this bored without fear of getting band!

Re: Brian Cushing
 

[quote=53Fan;523544]I read somewhere that the Steelers would'nt pass on him because they know the value of a good center. Remember Mike Webster? I'm with you SFREDSKIN, I'd take him at 13 too. Although he didn't agree with taking him at 13, GTripp mentioned in another thread how much better we would be able to run up the middle with Mack at center. It would also be nice for JC to have a pocket to run up into if he were pressured from the outside. I feel this guy will be better than good. I think he'll become the best at his position in the NFL. He's been compared to Matt Birk of the Vikings. I think we end up regretting it if we don't take him.[/quote]

I agree Alex Mack is definitely a solid pick. I was hoping we could trade down and still get him, but I don't think that will happen now. Does the Redskins' FO realize that Casey Rabach's play has declined significantly and needs to be replaced?

And about Cushing, doesn't he benefit from playing alongside a guy like Rey Maualuga?

Re: Brian Cushing
 

[quote=The Goat;523210]Mods I'd like to plea for a new rule: name-callers, particularly those who label others as retards, have to use correct friggin grammar in their posts or else receive a week long "ban" if such a thing exists. :oink:[/quote]


I no. I totally agree with U.

Re: Brian Cushing
 

[quote=theJBexperience;523582]I agree Alex Mack is definitely a solid pick. I was hoping we could trade down and still get him, but I don't think that will happen now. Does the Redskins' FO realize that Casey Rabach's play has declined significantly and needs to be replaced?

[B]And about Cushing, doesn't he benefit from playing alongside a guy like Rey Maualuga?[/B][/quote]


I think Cushing would also benefit from playing alongside a guy like London Fletcher.

Re: Brian Cushing
 

[quote=SC Skins Fan;523573]I have to disagree. I think the member in question demonstrates grate incite. I would be discusseded if the mods wood chews to adopt such a policy. He should be aloud to post what he wants on this bored without fear of getting band![/quote]

I agrea thorulelee!

Re: Brian Cushing
 

[quote=SC Skins Fan;523573]I have to disagree. I think the member in question demonstrates grate incite. I would be discusseded if the mods wood chews to adopt such a policy. He should be aloud to post what he wants on this bored without fear of getting band![/quote]

Classic stuff SC!

Re: Brian Cushing
 

I'm ah Englush Majur an meh hed almos explode when i red that poss.

Re: Brian Cushing
 

[quote=theJBexperience;523582]
And about Cushing, doesn't he benefit from playing alongside a guy like Rey Maualuga?[/quote]

I actually think it was the other way around... Cushing rarely missed his assignments and covered the other backers when they missed theirs. There's a reason the coaches let Rey fly around and make those highlight hits.

Re: Brian Cushing
 

[quote=SC Skins Fan;523573]I have to disagree. I think the member in question demonstrates grate incite. I would be discusseded if the mods wood chews to adopt such a policy. He should be aloud to post what he wants on this bored without fear of getting band![/quote]

Bravo on the best Giantone impression I've ever seen! :)