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[quote=Ruhskins;523940]Much better than overpaying free agents that have bust written all over it or trading our draft picks away. Once again, the Redskins are not going to get out of the hole they dug themselves in two, three seasons ago with these overpriced free agents and contract re-structures. I'm just glad they are not doing this crap anymore.[/quote]

That's funny because the reason why we will still be in this same mess next season is because Vinny has already traded our draft picks away. Not doing this crap anymore? Does Jason Taylor ring a bell?
Vinny isn't getting any smarter, he's just run out of money and draft picks to continue his charade and if you really think him and that clown owner have wised up, then show me proof. Give me an example of their sudden maturity and wisdom. I bet you can't.

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Why did you join this site if all you're going to do is bitch and moan (often with made up information) on nearly every post. "Because I'm a die-hard fan, blah blah blah" Sure, maybe you are, but there must be better things to do with your time than join a board just to complain.

Re: 2009 Skins Off Season Plans Ideas, Draft and FA plus cuts
 

[quote=MdBluefinCrab;523971]That's funny because the reason why we will still be in this same mess next season is because Vinny has already traded our draft picks away. Not doing this crap anymore? Does Jason Taylor ring a bell?
Vinny isn't getting any smarter, he's just run out of money and draft picks to continue his charade and if you really think him and that clown owner have wised up, then show me proof. [B]Give me an example of their sudden maturity and wisdom. I bet you can't.[/B][/quote]

Even if I could you wouldn't change your attitude, so just stop being a fan. Are you going to fire Vinny Cerrato? Are you going to buy the Redskins from Dan Snyder? No, so then just stop it with your pissy attitude and go root for another team. Dont' forget that by supporting the Redskins, buying merchandise, or even watching the game you are supporting Dan Snyder and the team. So just stop it, you might as well be one of the non-fans that post on this board.

Re: 2009 Skins Off Season Plans Ideas, Draft and FA plus cuts
 

you know much of this negativity changes if JC shows up firing next season as well as a healthy JT and CP. A healthy and stable line, maybe missing some youth in some positions. And a maturing bunch of rookies of which if only one stands out can change a lot without the need for a big offseason draft of which we will get something good im sure

Zorn will have had a year under his belt with the needed time to evaluate and implement his plan of attack.

So there are things to look forward to even with what we have already. I believe in the talent of our team. We should be excited about watching the Redskins execute the WCO. I'm Looking forward to this coming season! Sorry about the optimism.

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I think we'll be good if the coaches have a bigger say in personnel decisions then vinny and snyder will usually let go of. I trust Zorn I think he's made some pretty smart personel decisions when given the chance and I think that draft was as much his as Vinny's but looking at the situation he was in at Seattle and trying to recreate they're offensive succes I think he saw a huge opportunity going with WRs in the draft. The seahawks never had great wide receivers and I think he didn't want to have that same issue holding us back. It was also aided by common belief that our team was in desperate need of a big WR and our offense was stable and being held back by this. I think he knows a lot better this year, a majority of his decisions personel wise to me seemed to be pretty intelligent and as a rookie head coach I will cut him some slack botching the portis and rogers situations but it is what it is and Zorn and Portis are goign to clash but I don't think either is stupid enough to let arguments affect production again. Still I don't like the Rogers situation but I think someone will step in and point out how little sense it makes.

Re: 2009 Skins Off Season Plans Ideas, Draft and FA plus cuts
 

[I][quote=44ever;523978]you know much of this negativity changes if JC shows up firing next season as well as a healthy JT and CP. A healthy and stable line, maybe missing some youth in some positions. And a maturing bunch of rookies of which if only one stands out can change a lot without the need for a big offseason draft of which we will get something good im sure

Zorn will have had a year under his belt with the needed time to evaluate and implement his plan of attack.

So there are things to look forward to even with what we have already. I believe in the talent of our team. We should be excited about watching the Redskins execute the WCO.[B]I'm Looking forward to this coming season! Sorry about the optimism[/B][/I]

Yeah, what the hell is wrong with you. :)

Re: 2009 Skins Off Season Plans Ideas, Draft and FA plus cuts
 

I thought you all might like this ...just to add a little humor to all our edgyness lately. LOL.

[url=http://www.nfldraftdog.com/NFL%20Team%20Columns/washington_redskins_nfl_team_col.htm]Washington Redskins NFL Team Column[/url]

Re: 2009 Skins Off Season Plans Ideas, Draft and FA plus cuts
 

I Also found this one to be interesting. It was written just after our 2008 draft. Interesting points about our picks. I loved how they were totally wrong about Horton. LOL.

[url=http://cfn.scout.com/2/749765.html]Scout.com: Washington Redskins - NFC East[/url]

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Does anyone agree with me on drafting Rey Maualuga? The only sure fire OT prospects will be gone as well as the only viable 1st round pass-rusher (Orakpo). I think we should have learned our lesson about drafting purely on need from last years run on pass catchers and reaching for Rhinehart.

If our organization wants to get better then the need to adopt a simple philosophy with high draft picks. DRAFT BEST PLAYER AVAILABLE! Fill needs in middle to late rounds. That's what the Patriots do and that's what the Ravens do.

Maualuga has all the potential to be special and players like that don't come around often (a la Sean Taylor). We need to start thinking long term building and stop just putting out fires. Fletcher is like 35 and Washington can't stay on the field.

Who's with me?

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[quote=Son Of Man;524051]Does anyone agree with me on drafting Rey Maualuga? The only sure fire OT prospects will be gone as well as the only viable 1st round pass-rusher (Orakpo). I think we should have learned our lesson about drafting purely on need from last years run on pass catchers and reaching for Rhinehart.

If our organization wants to get better then the need to adopt a simple philosophy with high draft picks. DRAFT BEST PLAYER AVAILABLE! Fill needs in middle to late rounds. That's what the Patriots do and that's what the Ravens do.

Maualuga has all the potential to be special and players like that don't come around often (a la Sean Taylor). We need to start thinking long term building and stop just putting out fires. Fletcher is like 35 and Washington can't stay on the field.

Who's with me?[/quote]


I'm not the biggest fan of Maualuga personally (though I think he's good) and I wonder if he can play the outside, which is where I think we need the most help. Even with Fletcher showing age we do have Blades there ready to go. Unless, as some speculate, Blades is a better fit to play the weakside.

I've heard a lot of speculation lately about Aaron Maybin as well. A pick like him so high I wonder about though. His specialty is rushing the passer which is great, but what else does he offer? And what would his role in 2009 be?

Perfect world we get Vernon Carey in FA, trade down and are able to pick up Duke Robinson and Tyson Jackson in the late first/early second, my main man Connor Barwin in the 3rd, and somehow find a way to get Tyrell Sutton or Jeremiah Johnson later in the draft.

But if we stay at #13 I see no reason to think one of the top five OTs (A. Smith, J. Smith, Monroe, Oher, Britton) won't be there for the taking.

As for drafting the BPA, I agree wholeheartedly within reason. We're not going to spend the 13th pick in the draft on a QB even if he's the best player available, unless we've got a trade lined up already.

Re: 2009 Skins Off Season Plans Ideas, Draft and FA plus cuts
 

[quote=SBXVII;524034]I thought you all might like this ...just to add a little humor to all our edgyness lately. LOL.

[URL="http://www.nfldraftdog.com/NFL%20Team%20Columns/washington_redskins_nfl_team_col.htm"]Washington Redskins NFL Team Column[/URL][/quote]

That is hilarious!

Re: 2009 Skins Off Season Plans Ideas, Draft and FA plus cuts
 

[quote=SBXVII;524041]I Also found this one to be interesting. It was written just after our 2008 draft. Interesting points about our picks. I loved how they were totally wrong about Horton. LOL.

[URL="http://cfn.scout.com/2/749765.html"]Scout.com: Washington Redskins - NFC East[/URL][/quote]

They hit the nail on the head with the Rinehart assessment. What a waste.

Xavier Adibi, Tashard Choice, and Tim Hightower were all available when we took Rinehart. I know we needed OL, but we also are looking for LBs and a compliment to Portis not named Betts...

Re: 2009 Skins Off Season Plans Ideas, Draft and FA plus cuts
 

Tampa Bay added 6-foot-5, 243-pound WR Anthony Mix to its roster this week (Getty Images)

The Tampa Bay Buccaneers have signed another wide receiver, but no, it's not Antonio Bryant or Michael Clayton, who are scheduled to become free agents on February 27. PewterReport.com is reporting the Bucs signed former Auburn WR/TE Anthony Mix, who played with RB Cadillac Williams in college, to a two-year contract.


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now what the hell are we going to do?

Re: 2009 Skins Off Season Plans Ideas, Draft and FA plus cuts
 

Thank You dmek, unfortunatly that's old news. Some just didn't care for him as much as I did which is why the topic got brushed over so quickly.

Re: 2009 Skins Off Season Plans Ideas, Draft and FA plus cuts
 

Trade down and add a 3rd take 1st round Max Unger ..He can play OT/C

Add Free Agent OT..Kalif Barnes,or Vernon Carey, Max Starks all could play RT
Add FA OLB Leroy Hill...or Angelo Crowell

3. Marcus Freeman OLB
3. Robert Ayers DE
5. Jeremiah Jhonson RBC
6. Clinton McDonald DT

Re: 2009 Skins Off Season Plans Ideas, Draft and FA plus cuts
 

[quote=PennSkinsFan;523268]I agree with B, C, D,E G, and H. Can't cut Springs when you plan to deal Rogers. Bigger question for Springs is not attitude or anything like that, it is, will you get more than 9 games out of him. Resigning DeAngelo Hall should be top priority. Springs, Hall, Smoot, and a young FA or draft pick would be a good secondary.

IMO on the draft, all draft picks shoudl address OLine, DLine, and Linebacker.[/quote]

The only way I would keep Springs is if he was a luxury and would sit on the bench until week 9 and actually play the rest of the season. Only cause he will only play about 8 games for you and find an injury somewhere if he has to actually work more then 8 games to earn his money. He's the first cut on my list. Resign Hall, resign Rogers and make him happy. He did his job. He's a younger Smoot. Speaking of Smoot I'd keep him as the Nickle unless one of the other CB we have can step up ie; Westbrook (don't know why he is still on the team).

I like the idea of going after OL,DL, and LB in the draft. However anyone we bring in on the OL will take time to again get up to NFL speed and learn the plays. I would probably go after a seasoned younger OT in FA who can step right in and just have to learn the plays in order to protect JC. Then go after a big DT in the draft at #13 to collapse the pockets for us. Pick up a LB in a later round and perhaps another OL.

I would bring in non drafted RB's, CB's, and WR's to try out in camp. Yes we have to get a young healthier RB to groom to replace Betts now and if good enough replace Portis later. Bring in more CB's (although I've heard it's slim pickins at that position) and try some out. I mentioned WR cause it would be nice if we could find a diamond in the rough to groom there also. Maybe someone around the 5-11 size like Moss to replace him later. Make Kelly and Thomas the #1 and #2 WR's and have Moss be our #3 to keep him healthy and fresh all season. Trade or cut ARE or at the least utilize him in the #3 or #4 position.

Re: 2009 Skins Off Season Plans Ideas, Draft and FA plus cuts
 

[quote=Mattyk72;523411]I agree, these crazy offseason plans by some people that involve cutting half the roster are just ridiculous. Our hands are tied with some big contracts and a limited number of draft picks. Those hoping for drastic changes to the roster are going to be really disappointed.[/quote]

I agree with your agree and I'd like to add that a big reason the Skins are in this fix is that as an organization they cant move on from players. They are always restructuring and adding years to contracts instead of just wishing players well and sending them on their way like the Steelers did with Porter. The Skins would have never done that.

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After much thought, I think the best draft choice we can make is . . . . Optimus Prime

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXG_zG2SEaw[/ame]

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The ultimate measure of keeping a player is his level of play on the field and his cap number. Do they meet up?
The only guys I have a problem with are the guy that are not producing like they used to and are collecting a big check, thus over paid. In other words they making way more than they currently are worth:
[B][U]Over priced[/U][/B]
Jason Taylor $8.5M
Marcus Washignton $6.5M
Randle-El $6.1M
Fred Smoot $4.1M (2009), $5.4M (2010) and a whopping $6.9M (2011)
Jon Jansen $3.4M (2009) and $6.4M (2010)

You can not cut Smoot and Jansen in 09 because the cap hit is too big. So if you cut the first three in 2009 and cut Jansen & Smoot in 2010 you would eventually save $26m on just 5 playes that are no longer producing and some of them are actually liabilities on the field.

Here is a list of guys that are a relative bargain, some of their salaries surprised me at how low they are in comparison to the above list:

[B][U]Bargains[/U][/B]

Carlos Rogers $2.4M (2009), $2.1M (2010) and $1M (2011) Big mistake to trade him!
Ladell Betts $1.9M (09), $2.7M(10), $1.7M(11), $1.6M(12), $1.6M(13). Cheap!
Rock Cartwright $1M(09), $1.6M(10)
Phillip Daniels $2.6M(09) and $2.6M(10)
Phillip Daniels is as old as they get, but when healthy the guy is a still a force. One of the strongest playes on the team. I thought his cap number was much higher. He might be worth keeping around if he can stay healthy. Big if.

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Why can't these contracts be drawn up according to stats. Another words if Smoot gets 1 tackle in 2011 he makes 7mil?? What garantee does the team have that a player will produce according to his contract $$$. It seems like the players are the only one with the garantee. There should be some sort of incentive system with a smaller base

Re: 2009 Skins Off Season Plans Ideas, Draft and FA plus cuts
 

I doubt the team will do it or call it, but "if" the team was truely about getting younger and decided to call it "Rebuild" time then I've seen some posts on other sites that make some sense.

[B]dad23hogjrs
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Blow it up?

Sure, here are some guys that would be a part of the "destruction"

ARE - moving him would increase our # against the cap 600k, we are already 3-4 M over, depending on where you get your info

Jansen - I've seen people coming for his head...great, that will cost you 2.78 million against the cap

Portis - YEAH, LETS GET CRAZY...crazy will cost you 7.7 M against the cap

Some other guys that not everyone is pointing pitch forks at, but would fit into blowing it up...

R. Thomas - costs you 4.5 M to move him; Moss - 464k against the cap to move; everyone on the "Trade Rogers" bandwagon - check this out - 1.43 M against the cap to pull that trigger

and my personal favorite:
"Trade cooley for a #2 OR 3" - that will cost you 8.1 M against the cap

We found a gem....so now you want to trade him so we can maybe do it again...but most likely not...makes sense.


You can't "Blow it Up" completely

why? because we laced the place with plutonium...


guys you can get rid of - more of a wittling

Springs - Saves 6M
Taylor - Saves 8.5M
M. Washington - Saves 4.5M
Griffin - Saves 3.62M
Rabach - Saves 2.35M
Daniels - Saves 2.3M

Sorry to say, everyone else costs you against the cap, or is worth more than what they save you against the cap.
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Then someone came up with this nice idea.

[B]DarthMonk
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Posts: 295

Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 12:54 pm Post subject:

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Below is the post that laid out cap implications. It's great info. Let's assume they are good data. 2 things:

1) All the cap hits just last one year. Massive cap room results in 1 year.

2) We have yet to discuss compensatory picks.

"Under the NFL's collective bargaining agreement, teams that lose more or better "compensatory" free agents than they acquire in a year are eligible to receive compensatory draft choices. No team can receive more than four."

Now although it looks painful (and may be) if we let go of say Jansen, Portis, Taylor, and Washington we save a net of 3 million immediately and are well on our way to 4 compensatory picks as well as a quick extra 23 million in cap space a year down the road. Three of those players (Jansen, Taylor, Washington) figure to not really help us next year (based on age and the last couple of years) and Portis (already locker room poison?) can be replaced. He's not Jim Brown and even Brown was probably replaceable to a certain extent by Bobby Mitchell (ask Welch).

I say get rid of these guys and a few more (Springs and Daniels?) and get

1) 13 million of immediate relief

2) 30 million in space in 1 year

3) 4 more draft picks

4) younger

We might even get better immediately and certainly will long term - especially if we finish the blow up in one more year.

Cooley is an example of what we want to do. Draft wisely and pay a homegrown star. He's a keeper.

We should mostly let the remaining linemen play out their contracts and draft replacements. My personal favorite for the #13 is Alex Mack, a center. Most mock drafts put him around #20 so a trade down while getting an extra pick along with Mack could be a possibility. He is generally thought of as a potential all-pro and many say "the best lineman in the draft, period." Check this out:

[url=http://www.nfldraftdog.com/2009_NFL_Draft/Alex_Mack.htm]Alex Mack, 2009 NFL Draft Prospect[/url]

DarthMonk

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Maybe it's possible maybe not I leave that up to you CAP guys but it seemed sound. I kinda liked the idea if we are going to say we are in rebuild mode.

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Trading Cooley is a perfect example of what makes our team org. Constantly chaising it's tail. Why the heck would anyone in there right mind even consider trading Cooley. Like states. He is what we are trying to do. You don't trade Cooley you try to build a whole team of Cooley. I hate this trade mentality. That's why I opened the thread who you keep not who you sign. If we were to ever trade Cooley not that i think we would. I'm definatly done.

Re: 2009 Skins Off Season Plans Ideas, Draft and FA plus cuts
 

[quote=Trample the Elderly;524312]After much thought, I think the best draft choice we can make is . . . . Optimus Prime

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXG_zG2SEaw]YouTube - Transformers: the Movie Optimus Prime Vs. Megatron[/url][/quote]

somebody ban this guy

Re: 2009 Skins Off Season Plans Ideas, Draft and FA plus cuts
 

[quote=ChickenMonkey;524147]Trade down and add a 3rd take 1st round Max Unger ..He can play OT/C

Add Free Agent OT..Kalif Barnes,or Vernon Carey, Max Starks all could play RT
Add FA OLB Leroy Hill...or Angelo Crowell

3. Marcus Freeman OLB
3. Robert Ayers DE
5. Jeremiah Jhonson RBC
6. Clinton McDonald DT[/quote]

this could happen and would be really good

Re: 2009 Skins Off Season Plans Ideas, Draft and FA plus cuts
 

NEWS UPDATE>>>>>The Lions will mimic the Falcons this year and take LT at #1
and after a trade with Washington at #13 they get thier QB

Lions First round #1 & #13 after trade
Redskins First round #20 & 3rd Round #80

Re: 2009 Skins Off Season Plans Ideas, Draft and FA plus cuts
 

[quote=gaudiomatt;524354]somebody ban this guy[/quote]

Ban yourself.

Re: 2009 Skins Off Season Plans Ideas, Draft and FA plus cuts
 

[quote=ChickenMonkey;524568]NEWS UPDATE>>>>>The Lions will mimic the Falcons this year and take LT at #1
and after a trade with Washington at #13 they get thier QB

Lions First round #1 & #13 after trade
Redskins First round #20 & 3rd Round #80[/quote]

People really need to have a nice long look at a draft value chart before posting trades that make no sense. If you move back from 13 to 20 in the first round you get a late second round pick. There have been teams that moved back one and two picks in the first round and recieved a second round pick as compensation. That is all.

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[quote=gaudiomatt;524354]somebody ban this guy[/quote]

why?

Re: 2009 Skins Off Season Plans Ideas, Draft and FA plus cuts
 

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;523631]Given JLCs blog entry yesterday, it seems the skins are planning to keep our defense in tact (for the most part) and focus on our offense. This makes a certain level of sense, since this is JCs contract year and we need to decide if he is our franchise QB or not - this year, we have to do as much as we can to help him out, so there will be no excuses for poor performance on his part in 2009. In JLCs article, it was indicated that the team needs 2 new starting guards, a new starting RT, an explosive running back to compliment Portis, and a real WR. Evidently, we will also likely be fairly inactive in free agency.

I also am chosing to beleive the rumors that we are interested in acquiring more draft picks, both by trading down in the draft and in trading players for draft picks (Rogers, Moss, Betts, and Monty have all allegedly been dangled). If all that is true, here is my revised proposal/prediction for our 2009 offseason:

[B][U]Noteable Cuts[/U][/B]
1. Jason Taylor
2.Shawn Springs
3. Marcus Washington
4. James Thrash

[B][U]Trade [/U][/B]
1. Rogers for a 2nd round pick (I dont like it, but i think its what the skins are trying to do),
2. Moss for a 3rd and 4th (its been rumored the skins want a 2nd but i dont think theyll get it).

[B][U]Noteable Free Agent Signings [/U][/B]
1. [U]DeAngelo Hall [/U]
2. [U]Channing Crowder [/U]- He's really an ILB, but its been reported Miami is low-balling him on an extension and he wants to test free agency. He's been playing ILB, but I think we move him outside to replace Washington. Ideally, we would sign Dansby, but he's going to be too expensive.
3. [U]Phillip Buchannon [/U]- He's no longer an elite corner but an older guy familiar with our style of defense. We need someone to replace Rogers and he could start alongside Hall for the time being .
4.[U]Amani Toomer[/U]- I think we actively pursue Devery Henderson but he is out of our price range. Toomer wants to stay in the division so he signs with the skins and is penciled in as a starter to replace Moss.
5. [U]Pete Kendall[/U]

[B][U]Draft[/U][/B]
-Skins Trade down in the first round with somone in the 19-21 range and pick up a 2nd round pick. Remember, we have also acquired a 1 pick each in rounds 2, 3 and 4 by trading Moss and Rogers.

1 -[U] Eben Britton, OT, AZ[/U] - (Britton becomes our starting RT. His stock has been rising and falling alot recently, but most mocks have him being available in this range. Another option is OT William Betty, UCONN.

2 - [U]Herman Johnson, G, LSU [/U] Competes to replace either Kendall or Thomas immediately.

2 - [U]Fili Moala, DE/DT, USC [/U] Moala can play inside and outside on the line. We pick him up for his versatility and hope he can work his way to a starting role in the future.

3 - [U]Trevor Canfield, G, Cincy [/U] We drafted a dud with Rinehart last year. Hopefully we get it right this year.

3 - [U]Jonathan Luigs, C, Arkansas[/U] Hopefully, Luigs can replace Rabach in 2010.

4, 5, 6 - I see us drafting atleast one LB here, and possibly a DB and/or RB.[/quote]

I dont think its really a good Idea or its going to happen ,why first we bring these players for draft picks like (Kendel for #5) and JT for #2 and when come up short ,cut them and worry about how to replace our draft picks, so trade our player ( moss roger etc)who are truly only play makers in this team,make really no sence what so ever.Lets say if we trade Moss,you really think that Chambell will progress ,Its our offense that need more and more play makers.Here is what we shoud try to do

1. Cut Taylor (Save $8 mil he is in his final year therefore this is net saving)
2. Re-work cap friendly contract with Griffen,Washington,Spring and Jensn.By cutting them it will worsen our cap situation
3. Re-sign Kendel.Mont, Golston and Hall
4. Draft from what we have in our hand rather these hypothitical choices.
5. With 13 pick draft(OL like Monre, Andre Smith,etc) or trade only if we get 2 nd, and still can address our OL.Make sure dont depart any of our 2010 draft picks
6. Sign F.A Like
a. Suggs OLB/D.E
b. Hoshmanzadeh WR(Bengals)
c. Engram WR(Seatle)
d. May be One OG
Now Plug these players,you will agree we are not in a bad situation.

Re: 2009 Skins Off Season Plans Ideas, Draft and FA plus cuts
 

[quote=aka_Skins Fan;524591]I dont think its really a good Idea or its going to happen ,why first we bring these players for draft picks like (Kendel for #5) and JT for #2 and when come up short ,cut them and worry about how to replace our draft picks, so trade our player ( moss roger etc)who are truly only play makers in this team,make really no sence what so ever.Lets say if we trade Moss,you really think that Chambell will progress ,Its our offense that need more and more play makers.Here is what we shoud try to do

1. Cut Taylor (Save $8 mil he is in his final year therefore this is net saving)
2. Re-work cap friendly contract with Griffen,Washington,Spring and Jensn.By cutting them it will worsen our cap situation
3. Re-sign Kendel.Mont, Golston and Hall
4. Draft from what we have in our hand rather these hypothitical choices.
5. With 13 pick draft(OL like Monre, Andre Smith,etc) or trade only if we get 2 nd, and still can address our OL.Make sure dont depart any of our 2010 draft picks
6. Sign F.A Like
a. Suggs OLB/D.E
b. Hoshmanzadeh WR(Bengals)
c. Engram WR(Seatle)
d. May be One OG
Now Plug these players,you will agree we are not in a bad situation.[/quote]

This would be nice but seems highly unlikely. Springs will never restructure in a way beneficial for the franchise, which means if we keep him he'll garner around 8 million a season and that is regodamndiculous for an aging player who already struggles w/ durability. Even moving him to FS doesn't make sense for that kind of money IMO. Also it's rumored Marcus wants out and the FO is ok w/ that. Def agree w/ you on Griff and at this point my guess is he's back for sure.

Suggs will likely stay in Baltimore from the sounds of it.

Re: 2009 Skins Off Season Plans Ideas, Draft and FA plus cuts
 

[quote=aka_Skins Fan;524591]I dont think its really a good Idea or its going to happen ,why first we bring these players for draft picks like (Kendel for #5) and JT for #2 and when come up short ,cut them and worry about how to replace our draft picks, so trade our player ( moss roger etc)who are truly only play makers in this team,make really no sence what so ever.Lets say if we trade Moss,you really think that Chambell will progress ,Its our offense that need more and more play makers.Here is what we shoud try to do

1. Cut Taylor (Save $8 mil he is in his final year therefore this is net saving)
2. Re-work cap friendly contract with Griffen,Washington,Spring and Jensn.By cutting them it will worsen our cap situation
3. Re-sign Kendel.Mont, Golston and Hall
4. Draft from what we have in our hand rather these hypothitical choices.
5. With 13 pick draft(OL like Monre, Andre Smith,etc) or trade only if we get 2 nd, and still can address our OL.Make sure dont depart any of our 2010 draft picks
6. Sign F.A Like
a. Suggs OLB/D.E
b. Hoshmanzadeh WR(Bengals)
c. Engram WR(Seatle)
d. May be One OG
Now Plug these players,you will agree we are not in a bad situation.[/quote]

Theres no way this team is getting housh and suggs and engram. what type of plan is this. spend more money improving our wrs. the rookies will grow and be more productive this year were fine at wr. we need to rework the interior of our lines which is a RT both G's mainly a new C, a new DT and a new DE. Why are people so rigid on keeping springs. Cut him and Taylor and we have 16 Million of cap space. Keep them and we have two aging players who aren't going to be producing at a level that were paying them for.

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[quote=wilsowilso;524588]People really need to have a nice long look at a draft value chart before posting trades that make no sense. If you move back from 13 to 20 in the first round you get a late second round pick. There have been teams that moved back one and two picks in the first round and recieved a second round pick as compensation. That is all.[/quote]


Whats with all the whinning..This isnt Junior ALL American guys...
"You gotta know when to hold em., And Know when to hold um kids

1st round #13 =1150 points
1st round #20= 850 points

PLUS

3rd round #65= 265 points

You do the math.....the best youre going to get is an additional 6th worth
25 points.....Thats more than fair as trades go...Plus we are talking about Vinny and Dan come on.......

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[quote=ChickenMonkey;524607]1st round #13 =1150 points
1st round #20= 850 points

PLUS

3rd round #65= 265 points

You do the math.....the best youre going to get is an additional 6th worth
25 points.....Thats more than fair as trades go...Plus we are talking about Vinny and Dan come on.......[/quote]

I did the math. The problem with this post is that you actually didn't. Somebody mentioned a trade that moved us back seven picks to #20 and netted us the #80 overall pick in the third round. The numbers didn't add up was my point. I said the value would be a late second round pick and the chart says #60 would be equal value. Teams that trade up in the draft usually have to pay greater value than the chart indicates even if they are dealing with an idiot like Vinny so you are looking at giving us a mid to late second round pick if you wanted to move from 20 up to 13 in the first round. Not a mid third rounder at #80 was my original point and not #65 and a 6th rounder which was your value of the pick which was an undervaluation as well.

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[quote=wilsowilso;524609]I did the math. The problem with this post is that you actually didn't. Somebody mentioned a trade that moved us back seven picks to #20 and netted us the #80 overall pick in the third round. The numbers didn't add up was my point. I said the value would be a late second round pick and the chart says #60 would be equal value. [B]Teams that trade up in the draft usually have to pay greater value than the chart indicates [/B]even if they are dealing with an idiot like Vinny so you are looking at giving us a mid to late second round pick if you wanted to move from 20 up to 13 in the first round. Not a mid third rounder at #80 was my original point and not #65 and a 6th rounder which was your value of the pick which was an undervaluation as well.[/quote]A lot of successful teams do think that the popular chart is outdated, and very much overvalues the higher end picks. Obviously, no one wants those higher end picks, and that's why you don't have any top ten trades anymore.

I can't think of any draft day trade in the last four years in which the team trading up paid a higher premium than the outdated chart suggested. The very last trade that did that I can remember was the Manning-Rivers trade from 2004. Not a single pick in the top five has been dealt since then, so I'm guessing the Jimmy Johnson chart will be totally revised within two years.

Or they will cap the slot payouts and we'll have to come up with an entirely new system for valuing picks altogether.

Bottom line: I don't see any issue with chicken monkey's trade in terms of value for either side. Whether or not it actually makes sense for the Redskins is an entirely separate issue.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;523655]This sounds reasonable. Unlike some of the other posts, it can actually be done. All we need is a little luck and a few fish have to bite. It's still a 10-6 season at best. I think we'll need to keep drafting the lines for a couple of years, with a flash position for need here and there, before we can get up to speed.[/quote]


I love your plan an agree that trading Moss and Rogers is a good idea. However, I would keep the 13th overall pick and draft Maualuga. Special players don't come around often and this guy has all the tools as well as the pedigree and the experience of leading the nations top ranked defense! Other than that, draft the trenches or trade for future picks when the right lineman isn't there.

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[quote=gaudiomatt;524605]Theres no way this team is getting housh and suggs and engram. what type of plan is this. spend more money improving our wrs. the rookies will grow and be more productive this year were fine at wr. we need to rework the interior of our lines which is a RT both G's mainly a new C, a new DT and a new DE. Why are people so rigid on keeping springs. Cut him and Taylor and we have 16 Million of cap space. Keep them and we have two aging players who aren't going to be producing at a level that were paying them for.[/quote]

AMEN BROTHER! PREACH!

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[quote=gaudiomatt;524605]Theres no way this team is getting housh and suggs and engram. what type of plan is this. spend more money improving our wrs. the rookies will grow and be more productive this year were fine at wr. we need to rework the interior of our lines which is a RT both G's mainly a new C, a new DT and a new DE. Why are people so rigid on keeping springs. Cut him and Taylor and we have 16 Million of cap space. Keep them and we have two aging players who aren't going to be producing at a level that were paying them for.[/quote]

Well,plan is for sure not to create any salary cap situation,but also not to loss Moss and give him help with either Hosh and/or Engram on the other side,get rid of fair catch ARE and Thrash. Now we have Moss,Engram/Hosh,Kelly Thomas.Let the rookies develop, because Iam sure Zorn will not go this season with a possibility of these rookies will play up to a par.And Engram Knows this system and what I heard he will come not too expensive.Also I think it will help J.C develop really fast.As far as Ol ,by taking OT with a 13th pick they will address that. You just cannot adress all the needs in just one drafts.Now we have

Samual- Thomas-Rabach- Kendell- Draft O.T(13th)
Heyer- Reinhart- draft(C) -OG(FA)-Jon jensen-draft(3rd round)

I also said that Cap friendly salary with the above players not at any cost, so I agree if Spring does not bring his salary down so cut him,its fine with me.I also think that Rdskins will Go for Suggs Or Pepper when everything thing says and done.

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Looks like the Skins are not very active yet. The only thing they have done is sign a kicker and a punter.

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what punter and kicker?

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[quote=T.O.Killa;524801]Looks like the Skins are not very active yet. The only thing they have done is sign a kicker and a punter.[/quote]

free agency doesn't begin until the 27th I believe, so you won't really see anything important happen until at least then