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All I can say about our offseason thus far is...... [B]HIP HIP... HOORAY......HIP HIP.......HOORAY......HIP HIP.....HOORAY!!!!!!!!! Nice job FO[/B]:cool-smil

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[quote=SmootSmack;531739]I like the new username[/quote]
what was the old one?

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Way to go FO. Way to come out and make some sensable moves to shore up positions of need. I love DD and was really upset when he had to leave for that money train to NY. I look forward to finishing up our O-Line and having a dominate rushing attack this season.

Welcome back Big Double D!

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They have done one hell of a job in getting and signing these players but I'll reserve my excitement until next years regular season. I still want to see if Vinny will draft for "needs", instead of the best player available. Even with the addition of Dockery, there are still holes on the offensive line that needs to be filled and their 1st pick should address that, if not, watch JC scramble in the back field like a chicken with it's head cut off and the JC apologists make more excuses for his lack of leadership and lack of QB skills.
Vinny needs to make the offensive line his top priority in the draft, so as to give JC maximum protection and give him this one last shot to prove that he can be the "Franchise Quarterback" that people seem to think he can be. No more excuses.

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By far a fantastic move here! Good price, a younger lineman in Redskins term and someone who will help bring along the younger ones from the draft!

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Everyone slurping the FO shouldn't be IMO. If history has taught us anything about the Redskins and free agency, it's to reserve judgement until Sunday afternoons this coming fall.

Don't get me wrong, I'm happy we are addressing needs with high caliber players. But we've won the offseason Super Bowl a bunch of times under The Danny, and it hasn't turned into success on the field.

I'm gonna play wait and see on this, but I'm definitely encouraged by the moves.

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I think the Dockery move balances out, to an extent, the perceived over paid contract for AH. In Dock we have a guy who probably still has some growing to do at the position and can come in on day one make an impact.

Question, who thinks D.Docks will get #66 back?

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[quote=SmootSmack;531739]I like the new username[/quote]

Thanks. So does CP! ha ha

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[quote=GMScud;531783]Everyone slurping the FO shouldn't be IMO. If history has taught us anything about the Redskins and free agency, it's to reserve judgement until Sunday afternoons this coming fall.

Don't get me wrong, I'm happy we are addressing needs with high caliber players. But we've won the offseason Super Bowl a bunch of times under The Danny, and it hasn't turned into success on the field.

I'm gonna play wait and see on this, but I'm definitely encouraged by the moves.[/quote]

Atleast we are addressing the lines. Some of our past flops have been with skill position players etc: Lloyd, Arch, El, Armstead, Deion, and so on. Stubafield is a whole other story.

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great deal! Glad to have him back. This works out for the team and the money! Way to go Snyder. I would like to see us use our 13th pick on the OL in the draft.

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[quote=12thMan;531785]I think the Dockery move balances out, to an extent, the perceived over paid contract for AH. In Dock we have a guy who probably still has some growing to do at the position and can come in on day one make an impact.

Question, who thinks D.Docks will get #66 back?[/quote]

I'm pretty sure he will, because I don't think Kendall is going to be around much longer.

On a side note, SS mentioned how lucky we were that high-caliber players like D.Hall and Dock were both cut... Well, check out how Dockery became a free agent:

From Redskins Insider:

[I]How Dockery came to it the free-agent market is a bit odd. [/I]
[I]Buffalo and Detroit had agreed to a trade Thursday with Detroit willing to pick up the rest of Dockery's 7-year, $49 million contract and to guarantee the 2009 and 2010 portions of that deal. However, the Bills failed to file the necessary paperwork with the NFL Management Council by the 4 p.m. dealine, according to a league source, and, rather than pay Dockery $4.5 million for this year, the Bills allowed him to become a free agent. [/I]
[I]The Lions were still willing to pick up the remainder of the deal with the two guaranteed years and Dockery, who spent today in Detroit, was close to accepting their deal. However, tonight he decided to take the Skins' deal, which will pay im $3.5 million less over the duraton of the deal.[/I]
[URL="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2009/02/dockery_agrees_to_deal_with_sk.html"][/URL]
Talk about lucky!

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[quote=GMScud;531783][B]Everyone slurping the FO shouldn't be IMO. If history has taught us anything about the Redskins and free agency, it's to reserve judgement until Sunday afternoons this coming fall [/B]

Don't get me wrong, I'm happy we are addressing needs with high caliber players. But we've won the offseason Super Bowl a bunch of times under The Danny, and it hasn't turned into success on the field.

I'm gonna play wait and see on this, but I'm definitely encouraged by the moves.[/quote]

Actually, This is the first time I've been happy with FA's moves in year's's's's's. Who knows what it translates to on the field. IMO, that would depend more on the guys we already have to step it up rather than our new aquisitions. I'm not slurping FO but I think they have made some nice moves thus far.

As far as reseving judgement til Sunday afternoons, History has shown its a Sunday to Sunday thing with the Skins regardless of what kind of team we have or have had.

But I know what your saying GMScud. No slurping yet, I agree:)

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[quote=GMScud;531783]Everyone slurping the FO shouldn't be IMO. If history has taught us anything about the Redskins and free agency, it's to reserve judgement until Sunday afternoons this coming fall.

Don't get me wrong, I'm happy we are addressing needs with high caliber players. But we've won the offseason Super Bowl a bunch of times under The Danny, and it hasn't turned into success on the field.

I'm gonna play wait and see on this, but I'm definitely encouraged by the moves.[/quote]

All we can do is judge the moves as we see them today. Of course the ultimate judgment will come from how this shakes on on Sundays, but there's nothing wrong with tossing out some praise right now as we see fit.

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[quote=GMScud;531783]Everyone slurping the FO shouldn't be IMO. If history has taught us anything about the Redskins and free agency, it's to reserve judgement until Sunday afternoons this coming fall.

Don't get me wrong, I'm happy we are addressing needs with high caliber players. But we've won the offseason Super Bowl a bunch of times under The Danny, and it hasn't turned into success on the field.

I'm gonna play wait and see on this, but I'm definitely encouraged by the moves.[/quote]

Yeah but it's not up to the front office to win on Sundays in the fall. That's up to the players and coaches. It's up to the front office to put the best players and coaches out there in position to win.

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[quote=dmek25;531772]what was the old one?[/quote]

I'll let him tell you....or let [I]her[/I] tell you ;)

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already said i love this move.

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[quote=SmootSmack;531795]Yeah but it's not up to the front office to win on Sundays in the fall. That's up to the players and coaches. It's up to the front office to put the best players and coaches out there in position to win.[/quote]

Good point.

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[quote=Mattyk72;531794]All we can do is judge the moves as we see them today. Of course the ultimate judgment will come from how this shakes on on Sundays, but there's nothing wrong with tossing out some praise right now as we see fit.[/quote]

I hear what you and SS are saying. Notice I did comment that I'm happy we are addressing needs with high-caliber talent.

We've had big money guys (who seemed like solid signings at the time) flop in the past, so for that reason our FO hasn't earned the benefit of the doubt with me.

I will however give them credit thus far for realizing our glaring needs (O/D-line) and singing a few of the best players out there to fill the gaps.

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[quote=SmootSmack;531795]Yeah but it's not up to the front office to win on Sundays in the fall. That's up to the players and coaches. It's up to the front office to put the best players and coaches out there in position to win.[/quote]

I understand that. But in the past we've spent gillions of dollars on players the front office deemed fit to give us the best chance to win and they weren't even close, despite offseason speculation that we had done a good job in FA. Therefore I reserve judgement for the most part.

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[quote=GMScud;531801]I hear what you and SS are saying. Notice I did comment that I'm happy we are addressing needs with high-caliber talent.

We've had big money guys (who seemed like solid signings at the time) flop in the past, so for that reason our FO hasn't earned the benefit of the doubt with me.

[B]I will however give them credit thus far for realizing our glaring needs (O/D-line) and singing a few of the best players out there to fill the gaps[/B].[/quote]

Yeah that's all I'm saying. I'm not raising the Super Bowl here we come flag by any means. I'm simply pleased with the moves so far and the direction we seem to be heading this offseason. The lines are clearly a priority, that's good to see.

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[quote=Mattyk72;531804]Yeah that's all I'm saying. I'm not raising the Super Bowl here we come flag by any means. I'm simply pleased with the moves so far and the direction we seem to be heading this offseason.[B] The lines are clearly a priority, that's good to see[/B].[/quote]

FINALLY! Definitely makes me smile.

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This one was a no-brainer, which, in a way, is what's most encouraging. Our FO tends not to do the obvious right moves. Now Haynesworth is what it is: it could be huge, but if it fails, it will be a big albatross around Danny and Vinny's necks.

As for "slurping the FO"--yeah, we do win the offseason pretty regularly. So cautious optimism/reflective realism is the right policy. It's about wins, not stats and contracts. Full stop. And you can't win games in the offseason, sadly.

But the Danny does make Feb/March more interesting!

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[quote=SmootSmack;531797]I'll let him tell you....or let [I]her[/I] tell you ;)[/quote]

Is it D.Rave?

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Love this move, welcome back Dockery! As soon as I saw him cut on Wednesday, I wanted him back in Burgundy and Gold.... I think we got him back for a very reasonable price, and its a definite upgrade to the offensive line.... we can now shift the focus to tackle.... I think Rabach can hold his own, and we can hope C. Reinhardt steps in for Thomas in the next few seasons... the glaring position is right tackle now... we still dont know what we really have in Heyer...but we need to upgrade Jansen. I love the guy and hate to say it, but he just can't get it done anymore.

Love this move though!

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In my opinion this is the best move they made by far. Getting him at below the rate that Detroit offered makes it the perfect move.

Dockery adds size, youth, knowledge of the playbook and brings back a guy that we drafted. Great move by the FO.

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I'm glad to get Dock back, But I belive Kendall had a solid year, Although younger is better. Maybe if Pete stays he can fight it out with Thomas at RG or share. Also I think Heyer did a good job in different positions along the line especially when Samuels went out. Might be a best to draft a center if theres one that's worth it.

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[quote=horse;531869]I'm glad to get Dock back, But I belive Kendall had a solid year, Although younger is better. Maybe if Pete stays he can fight it out with Thomas at RG or share. Also I think Heyer did a good job in different positions along the line especially when Samuels went out. Might be a best to draft a center if theres one that's worth it.[/quote]

[B]MACK!!![/B]

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[quote=JoeRedskin;531592]Apparently, Dock passed up more money in Detroit to come back here:

"The Redskins called and tried to bring him back. The Lions offered him a richer contract to stay, but Dockery decided he couldn't pass up the chance to return to the Redskins."

[URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3941156"]Former Bills offensive lineman Derrick Dockery agrees to five-year, $26.5 million deal - ESPN[/URL][/quote]

lot of respect for guys like that

it's gotta be hard to pass up more money, though we're probably only looking at a bit more money that they offered

didn't know he'd still be worth potentially over 5 a year, but I like the signing

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;531873][B]MACK!!![/B][/quote]



I'd be rather happy if we did that, you guys have sold me.

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[quote=horse;531869]I'm glad to get Dock back, But I belive Kendall had a solid year, Although younger is better. Maybe if Pete stays he can fight it out with Thomas at RG or share. Also I think Heyer did a good job in different positions along the line especially when Samuels went out. Might be a best to draft a center if theres one that's worth it.[/quote]

Theres no way Kendall is coming back, so don't get your hopes up. Heyer is a solid backup RT in this league, but thats it, meaning at 13 we should take Andre Smith if available but if not we trade down and draft an OLB (Mayban, Cushing).

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[quote=tryfuhl;531877]I'd be rather happy if we did that, you guys have sold me.[/quote]

I'm telling you, they get this guy and it could be a huge improvement on the OL. Forget Andre Smith, this guy has all the tangibles, mature, smart and very talented. He's a can't miss pick. Whoever gets him will be very glad they did.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;531883]I'm telling you, they get this guy and it could be a huge improvement on the OL. Forget Andre Smith, this guy has all the tangibles, mature, smart and very talented. He's a can't miss pick. Whoever gets him will be very glad they did.[/quote]

Who are we talking about?

Edit: Never mind I see.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;531883]I'm telling you, they get this guy and it could be a huge improvement on the OL. Forget Andre Smith, this guy has all the tangibles, mature, smart and very talented. He's a can't miss pick. Whoever gets him will be very glad they did.[/quote]
It appears that way, the kid seems to stay in the play, all play, every play. That can make a huge difference if there's a fumble or something else goes screwy.

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[quote=The Goat;531885]Who are we talking about?[/quote]
Alex Mack, C, Cal

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[quote=tryfuhl;531887]It appears that way, the kid seems to stay in the play, all play, every play. That can make a huge difference if there's a fumble or something else goes screwy.[/quote]

Think about this scenario our line from RG (Mack can play G or C) to LT would be inpenetrable, Mack can replace Thomas or Rabach.

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[quote=tryfuhl;531888]Alex Mack, C, Cal[/quote]

I still haven't seen him listed as a 1st round pick anywhere. Strikes me as sort of a tweener, probably early 2nd round and we're just not going to be there... although maybe he falls deep into the 2nd round and we've already traded down so it could work out.

... the only center i've seen in the first is Max Unger (i think). Maybe Duke Robinson or is he a G?

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[quote=vallin21;531878]Theres no way Kendall is coming back, so don't get your hopes up. Heyer is a solid backup RT in this league, but thats it, meaning at 13 we should take Andre Smith if available but if not we trade down and draft an OLB (Mayban, Cushing).[/quote]

While unlikely, I think there has to be some possibility that he would take less money to be a backup. I thought I read that he would like to stay here. He is definitely wearing down. Maybe he would prefer to finish up here with a reduced role as opposed to picking up and moving again for a bigger deal and full time workload. Plus the skins were fine giving him a day off every week to rest his knee. Would other teams let a free agent do that?

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[quote=The Goat;531896]I still haven't seen him listed as a 1st round pick anywhere. Strikes me as sort of a tweener, probably early 2nd round and we're just not going to be there... although maybe he falls deep into the 2nd round and we've already traded down so it could work out.

... the only center i've seen in the first is Max Unger (i think). Maybe Duke Robinson or is he a G?[/quote]

He's a C and they fall into the 2nd round, T are viewed more valuable and fall into the 1st round. Mack is one guy I would make an exemption for.

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Great deal. This is the kind of deal we should have been offering to Hall, ideally.

Dockery plugs up the uncertainty on the left side now. Draft is weak at Guard, so this was pretty critical.

Have to add a Center and a Tackle in the draft now. We can wait like three weeks and still find a cost effective option at Center. The market is flooded at C this year, both in the draft and in free agency.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;531900]He's a C and they fall into the 2nd round, T are viewed more valuable and fall into the 1st round. [B]Mack is one guy I would make an exemption for[/B].[/quote]

I've seen Mack being taken at 20 by Detroit and 32 by Pittsburgh. It's all speculation right now. Ryan Leaf was projected pretty high and how did that work out? If you're going to build your team from the inside out, you don't get anymore inside than center. I have no connection to Mack as I'm sure SFREDSKIN doesn't. But IMO the guy is definitely a cut above and there are very few questions about his ability if any. He would make our line better THIS YEAR IMO. A lot of us were ready to throw money at Jason Brown. Well he's gone. Mack is cheaper and will be better than Brown IMO. He's been compared to Matt Birk. If we do take him and he does'nt start right away I'm sure SFREDSKIN and I will take alot of flack but this guy has all-pro written all over him if you ask me.