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[quote=SmootSmack;537679]Oher has been and still is my top choice at the end of the day...and I think the Redskins feel the same way[/quote]
something we agree on:). other then Albert, Oher is the most polished. and has more potential to make a sooner impact

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[quote=SmootSmack;537679]Oher has been and still is my top choice at the end of the day...and I think the Redskins feel the same way[/quote]

I would have a hard time understanding what the skins were thinking if Oher was there at 13 and they passed on him. At worst, hes a franchise RT- which, incidently is probably our most pressing immediate need. If Oher can be consistent and reach his potential under Bugel, then he's our franchise LT for the next 10 years or more.

The only way i think the skins pass on Oher if he's there at 13 is if they have a partner to trade down and theyre enamored with somone like Britton.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;537700]I would have a hard time understanding what the skins were thinking if Oher was there at 13 and they passed on him. At worst, hes a franchise RT- which, incidently is probably our most pressing immediate need. If Oher can be consistent and reach his potential under Bugel, then he's our franchise LT for the next 10 years or more.

The only way i think the skins pass on Oher if he's there at 13 is if they have a partner to trade down and theyre enamored with somone like Britton.[/quote]

What he just said

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[quote=GMScud;537650]Gotcha.

This is a solid mock draft, and presents a scenario where Oher would be available (even though they have us passing on him).

[URL="http://www.draftcountdown.com/sub/Mock-Draft-A.php"]Draft Countdown - 2009 NFL Mock Draft[/URL][/quote]Well, any Mock that still has Stafford at No. 1 isn't very helpful. The tackles are the currency of this draft, and the Lions are nearly certainly going to spend the first overall pick on one.

It's not that the Lions won't take a quarterback in this draft, it's that they know it's a weak class and won't spend the first overall money on a QB.

No. 20 or No. 33 is a completely different story, regarding the money though.

If Wright really thinks the Rams are looking to go tackle in this draft, that's two tackles, one and two, right off the board from the get-go. But the Rams could always shock us and go for Stafford, Curry, or Crabtree.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;537700]I would have a hard time understanding what the skins were thinking if Oher was there at 13 and they passed on him. At worst, hes a franchise RT- which, incidently is probably our most pressing immediate need. If Oher can be consistent and reach his potential under Bugel, then he's our franchise LT for the next 10 years or more.

The only way i think the skins pass on Oher if he's there at 13 is if they have a partner to trade down and theyre enamored with somone like Britton.[/quote]
I agree with you, if I had to choose I'd choose Oher. He's the safest pick available and (like you said) he can become a decent RT, and at best he could be a pro bowl LT.

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I would take Blake Griffin, TE out of Oklahoma lol hahahahaha

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Here's a nice article about Alex Mack for 53Fan to drool over:

[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=Aqu0cifV.ZqWMhTeGVNXjqs5nYcB?slug=ms-trippintuesday031709&prov=yhoo&type=lgns]Cal's Mack stays grounded about criticism - NFL - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

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[quote=SmootSmack;537679]Oher has been and still is my top choice at the end of the day...and I think the Redskins feel the same way[/quote]

Interesting. I'd be happy w/ Oher, though I know there were earlier character (?) concerns, but honestly never thought it was realistic for him to fall to us. Could be a great draft this way.

If we do get Oher or A. Smith in the first I hope to hell we take Sidbury in the 3rd round. Local kid and just a marvel... i think the only thing that kept his draft stock from sky rocketing is that he comes from small ball... could be all for the best if can get him in the 3rd :)

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[quote=The Goat;537758]Interesting. I'd be happy w/ Oher, though I know there were earlier character (?) concerns, but honestly never thought it was realistic for him to fall to us. Could be a great draft this way.

If we do get Oher or A. Smith in the first I hope to hell we take Sidbury in the 3rd round. Local kid and just a marvel... i think the only thing that kept his draft stock from sky rocketing is that he comes from small ball... could be all for the best if can get him in the 3rd :)[/quote]

Oher's father was not involved in his upbringing (and was murdered when he was a junior in high school), and his mother was addicted to crack cocaine. As a result, he received little constructive attention during his formative years. He repeated both first grade and second grade, and attended eleven different schools during his first nine years as a student. He also alternated between time spent in various foster homes and periods with no fixed address until he was sixteen years old.[1]
That year, Oher applied for admission to a private school, Briarcrest Christian School, at the instigation of acquaintance Tony Henderson, with whom he was staying temporarily. Henderson was sending his son to the school in order to fulfill the dying wish of the boy's grandmother, and he decided that Oher might as well come along. Although the school's football coach was interested in Oher, school administrators did not feel that he was capable of handling the school's academic workload due to his scant educational background; however, he was admitted after he attempted to qualify for admission through a home-study program that removed him from the public education system.[1]
A white couple with a daughter at the school, Leigh Anne and Sean Tuohy, allowed Oher to move in with them and began taking care of his needs after becoming familiar with his difficult personal circumstances. They also connected him with a tutor, who worked with him for twenty hours a week, eventually bringing his low-D performance up to a 2.05 grade point average. A series of internet-based courses from Brigham Young University served as replacements for poor marks earned earlier in his academic career, enabling him to become eligible to play football in college.[1]

I have not heard one thing about his character being a problem. Oher was taken in by a Christian family and has been growing as a man more and more as time goes on. I think he has the right attitude to be successful with this team.

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Wow... Oher has seen the rough side of life no doubt. From that story i think the kid deserves a ton of credit and all the luck in the world.

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[quote=The Goat;537765]Wow... Oher has seen the rough side of life no doubt. From that story i think the kid deserves a ton of credit and all the luck in the world.[/quote]

I just see a ton of potential in him.

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IF we're keeping the 13th, then I'd say draft Maualuga if he's available. He's a football player and I think he'll play up to the standards of a perennial all-pro. If he's not there, I'd take an OT but I'd prefer to trade back and stockpile additional picks and maybe snag Mack.

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[quote=GMScud;537754]Here's a nice article about Alex Mack for 53Fan to drool over:

[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=Aqu0cifV.ZqWMhTeGVNXjqs5nYcB?slug=ms-trippintuesday031709&prov=yhoo&type=lgns]Cal's Mack stays grounded about criticism - NFL - Yahoo! Sports[/url][/quote]

Thanks GMScud! Good read. Someone's going to get a [B]great [/B]football player. I hope it's us. Now excuse me while I wipe the drool from my chin. :laughing-

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[quote=WaldSkins;537768]I just see a ton of potential in him.[/quote]

Oher is a very, very talented player. He could become one of the best.

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[quote=GMScud;537754]Here's a nice article about Alex Mack for 53Fan to drool over:

[URL="http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=Aqu0cifV.ZqWMhTeGVNXjqs5nYcB?slug=ms-trippintuesday031709&prov=yhoo&type=lgns"]Cal's Mack stays grounded about criticism - NFL - Yahoo! Sports[/URL][/quote]

Thanks GMScud. I think the article explains a lot. The following is from the article (one AFC Scout).

[I][B]“As for the stuff about him being on the ground, he does get a little overextended on some blocks. But sometimes he’s on the ground because he’s busting his ass trying to make a play.”[/B][/I]
[B][/B]
I would still be worried about his technique, because with his technique (that he first learned in high school), he does overextend and gets off-balance. It's probably still a risk, in the minds of scouts as far as how effective his technique will be in the nfl. To some, unger may be a safer pick at Center.

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[quote=warriorzpath;538014]Thanks GMScud. I think the article explains a lot. The following is from the article (one AFC Scout).

[I][B]“As for the stuff about him being on the ground, he does get a little overextended on some blocks. But sometimes he’s on the ground because he’s busting his ass trying to make a play.”[/B][/I]
[B][/B]
[B]I would still be worried about his technique, because with his technique (that he first learned in high school), he does overextend and gets off-balance. It's probably still a risk, in the minds of scouts as far as how effective his technique will be in the nfl. To some, unger may be a safer pick at Center[/B].[/quote]
I disagree. Big surprise right? Mack is by far the top rated center in the draft. If you watch film of him, when he does fall, he's usually falling over the guy he knocked on his ass or it's away from the play where he has blocked his man and does'nt stop until the whistle blows. He does'nt make a block and then stop and stand there when the RB has gone by him. He continues playing. If he wasn't so aggressive and constantly going until the whistle blew, he would'nt fall as much, but you may notice he does'nt fall until the end of the play or at least until his man is out of the play. He DOES bust his ass trying to make plays. He opens holes and I really don't care if he does it on his knees. He opens holes.

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Can't imagine Mack would fall past No. 22, so any trade down situation would have to be ahead of that spot.

The only team that has incentive to trade up is Tampa Bay at No. 19, but that's a team that already gave away a 2nd round pick in this draft for KWII and is trying to rebuild the defense.

Still, if they fall in love with Stafford, I think they'll seriously start loading up by the time he reaches No. 10 or 11 or so. We could shake them down for a 3rd and a 6th potentially for those 6 spots. Problem is, we'd have competition from Buffalo, who absolutely has incentive to trade down, and Green Bay and San Francisco as well. All those teams want to move down, but the Bucs might not have the ammo to get to those spots.

Which could be good for us, potentially.

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[quote=GTripp0012;538089]Can't imagine Mack would fall past No. 22, so any trade down situation would have to be ahead of that spot.

The only team that has incentive to trade up is Tampa Bay at No. 19, but that's a team that already gave away a 2nd round pick in this draft for KWII and is trying to rebuild the defense.

Still, if they fall in love with Stafford, I think they'll seriously start loading up by the time he reaches No. 10 or 11 or so. We could shake them down for a 3rd and a 6th potentially for those 6 spots. Problem is, we'd have competition from Buffalo, who absolutely has incentive to trade down, and Green Bay and San Francisco as well. All those teams want to move down, but the Bucs might not have the ammo to get to those spots.

Which could be good for us, potentially.[/quote]

I hope you're right. Is Tampa still as much in love with [B]any QB they don't have[/B] as they were when Gruden was there?

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Alex Mack

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[quote=Son Of Man;537400]No Brainer.

REY MAUALUGA[/quote]



u dum ass rey maualuga is taken at number 11

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[quote=GeorgeCalloway21;538116]u dum ass rey maualuga is taken at number 11[/quote]

Hell of a first post...let's see if you can last to three posts

If you had been following the thread from the start, you'd know why Son of Man said Rey when he did

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[quote=53Fan;538088]I disagree. Big surprise right? Mack is by far the top rated center in the draft. If you watch film of him, when he does fall, he's usually falling over the guy he knocked on his ass or it's away from the play where he has blocked his man and does'nt stop until the whistle blows. He does'nt make a block and then stop and stand there when the RB has gone by him. He continues playing. If he wasn't so aggressive and constantly going until the whistle blew, he would'nt fall as much, but you may notice he does'nt fall until the end of the play or at least until his man is out of the play. He DOES bust his ass trying to make plays. He opens holes and I really don't care if he does it on his knees. He opens holes.[/quote]

His strengths are not in question - his agressiveness, his effort, and even his athleticism (I read that some scouts don't think he is athletic - i don't agree). What some may be questioning and may be unsure of is his technique. His falling down at the end of plays may have something to do with a difference in his technique, which was begun to be formed early on in high school.

All of this won't be known until he plays in the NFL, which may be too much of a risky investment for some.

Don't get me wrong with my perspective (and also some nfl scouts) on this - I like Mack as a player. But let's say it's the difference in his technique and this isn't as effective in the nfl (which isn't out of the question)- that means re-investing individual time and effort to change his technique. And who's to say, he is flexible enough to changing. This is what investing a draft pick really means.

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[quote=GeorgeCalloway21;538116]u dum ass rey maualuga is taken at number 11[/quote]

slightly uncalled for.

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[quote=djnemo65;537433]Gotta be a homer and go with Aaron Maybin.[/quote]

Maybin had a strong pro day today, leaving Vinny very impressed supposedly

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[quote=GeorgeCalloway21;538116]u dum ass rey maualuga is taken at number 11[/quote]

Good first impression on The Warpath

:goodjob:

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[quote=SmootSmack;538120]Maybin had a strong pro day today, leaving Vinny very impressed supposedly[/quote]

Please please no bust University players ala, Arrington, Ki-Janna Carter, Blair Thomas, Curtis Enis, Kerry Collins, Courtney Brown, Tamha Hali,

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[quote=warriorzpath;538118]His strengths are not in question - his agressiveness, his effort, and even his athleticism (I read that some scouts don't think he is athletic - i don't agree). What some may be questioning and may be unsure of is his technique. His falling down at the end of plays may have something to do with a difference in his technique, which was begun to be formed early on in high school.

All of this won't be known until he plays in the NFL, which may be too much of a risky investment for some.

Don't get me wrong with my perspective (and also some nfl scouts) on this - I like Mack as a player. But let's say it's the difference in his technique and this isn't as effective in the nfl (which isn't out of the question)- that means r[B]e-investing individual time and effort to change his technique. And who's to say, he is flexible enough to changing.[/B] This is what investing a draft pick really means.[/quote]
Who's to say he's not? I'm not going to nitpick about whether you think he's first round material or not. If you don't fine, but I think you can find some weakness (imaginary or not) in every player out there. That's one of the reasons we have coaches. Here's a piece on Unger. [url=http://cdsdraft.com/profile.php?id=1856]Max Unger, C, Oregon[/url] It says he struggles in the middle with big NT's and DT's. Think he's flexible enough to change that?

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[quote=GeorgeCalloway21;538116]u dum ass rey maualuga is taken at number 11[/quote]

Good thing I'm not a mod or your first post would be your last. :spank:

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[quote=53Fan;538146]Who's to say he's not? I'm not going to nitpick about whether you think he's first round material or not. If you don't fine, but I think you can find some weakness (imaginary or not) in every player out there. That's one of the reasons we have coaches. Here's a piece on Unger. [URL="http://cdsdraft.com/profile.php?id=1856"]Max Unger, C, Oregon[/URL] It says he struggles in the middle with big NT's and DT's. Think he's flexible enough to change that?[/quote]

Of course you can find weaknesses in everyone's game. I'm not discounting that, but at the same time it would be foolish for anyone to overlook Mack's weaknesses.

That's what player analysis is. You analyze a player for their strengths and weaknesses to see if that player fits what you are looking for - depending on what you value for a player at a particular position. If there is some concern or doubt about a Center's balance (or technique) - I think you absolutely have to research a little more to get to a comfortable decision either way.

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[quote=warriorzpath;538161]Of course you can find weaknesses in everyone's game. I'm not discounting that, but at the same time it would be foolish for anyone to overlook Mack's weaknesses.

That's what player analysis is. You analyze a player for their strengths and weaknesses to see if that player fits what you are looking for - depending on what you value for a player at a particular position. If there is some concern or doubt about a Center's balance (or technique) - I think you absolutely have to research a little more to get to a comfortable decision either way.[/quote]

I know what player analysis is. Of course you check out what a perceived weakness may be. Whether it's Mack, Unger or anyone else. I just don't think it's going to be as big an issue as you seem to think it is.

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[quote=53Fan;538163]Sure. As you would with Unger or anyone else. Of course.[/quote]

And that's all I've been pointing out. Everyone that's on the Mack bandwagon has praised all of his strengths, but they all have failed to point out any weaknesses.

I've been wondering if anybody else saw the same thing I saw on the videos, now I know that the scouts were.

I don't mean to be a hater or anything like that, but that's what stood out to me - his falling down, balance (I [U]mistakenly[/U] questioned this as his lack of strength), and technique (specifically leaning/overextending).

You can't overlook any of this with a Center. And if you notice in the article, Mack expressed the scrutiny that the scouts had with him. They all want to be comfortable with picking him up earlier in the round rather than later (at the expense of what could be- being able to picking someone else with a better impact for the team). And maybe that's part of the scrutiny, too; they may be trying to see if he is willing and flexible enough to change if need be.

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[quote=warriorzpath;538166]And that's all I've been pointing out. Everyone that's on the Mack bandwagon has praised all of his strengths, but they all have failed to point out any weaknesses.

I've been wondering if anybody else saw the same thing I saw on the videos, now I know that the scouts were.

I don't mean to be a hater or anything like that, but that's what stood out to me - his falling down, balance (I [U]mistakenly[/U] questioned this as his lack of strength), and technique (specifically leaning/overextending).

You can't overlook any of this with a Center. And if you notice in the article, Mack expressed the scrutiny that the scouts had with him. They all want to be comfortable with picking him up earlier in the round rather than later (at the expense of what could be- being able to picking someone else with a better impact for the team). And maybe that's part of the scrutiny, too; they may be trying to see if he is willing and flexible enough to change if need be.[/quote]
I understand what you're saying. I'm not trying to be a horses ass. I think, THINK, part of the reason Mack ends up overextending and falling is because of his aggressiveness. He does not stop. So after he blocks his man, he either just keeps on with him until the whistle blows, or until him and his man go down. He is relentless. Sometimes he goes to another player that he may not even be in position to block an overextends, but he goes after him anyway. I look at this as a good thing. What bothers me is, seeing linemen on their feet just standing there because they blocked the one guy they were suppose to, or the play has already gone by them. Mack doesn't just fall down like a big oaf, he's usually taking someone with him. Sometimes 2 or 3 someones. At least that's what I've seen from watching a lot of film on him.

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[quote=53Fan;538170]I understand what you're saying. I'm not trying to be a horses ass. I think, THINK, part of the reason Mack ends up overextending and falling is because of his aggressiveness. He does not stop. So after he blocks his man, he either just keeps on with him until the whistle blows, or until him and his man go down. He is relentless. Sometimes he goes to another player that he may not even be in position to block an overextends, but he goes after him anyway. I look at this as a good thing. What bothers me is, seeing linemen on their feet just standing there because they blocked the one guy they were suppose to, or the play has already gone by them. Mack doesn't just fall down like a big oaf, he's usually taking someone with him. Sometimes 2 or 3 someones. At least that's what I've seen from watching a lot of film on him.[/quote]

Yeah, I agree with you with his strengths. What gets overlooked with players like Mack that fans love are their possible weaknesses. I agree that he falls sometimes because of his agressive play and great effort, but some his technique (noted in the article due to what he learned in high school) is also at fault. I see that he overextends sometimes, maybe trying too hard for the block. Most of the time in college this is an advantage. Will this work in the NFL... we won't know until he plays.

What's hard is- to get a comparison of a player in the NFL that falls down like he does.

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Well he's been compared to Matt Birk by some scouts if that's any consolation.

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[quote=warriorzpath;538176]Yeah, I agree with you with his strengths. What gets overlooked with players like Mack that fans love are their possible weaknesses. I agree that he falls sometimes because of his agressive play and great effort,[B] but some his technique (noted in the article due to what he learned in high school) is also at fault.[/B] I see that he overextends sometimes, maybe trying too hard for the block. Most of the time in college this is an advantage. Will this work in the NFL... we won't know until he plays.

What's hard is- to get a comparison of a player in the NFL that falls down like he does.[/quote]

His technique he learned in highschool was to not use his hands. He was surprised he could use them when he got to college which makes it even easier to block someone. He had a sensational pro day today according to reports. I'm done. Like you said, we'll see.

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Mack measured in at 6'4-1/4" and 307 pounds, measurements that NFL scouts drool over for a center with any sort of athleticism. He ran a 5.17 and 5.23 in the 40-yard dash, had a 28-1/2" vertical, an 8'10" broad jump, 4.75 short shuttle, 7.31 cone drill, and benched 225 pounds 20 times.

not insane numbers, but very solid.

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I think the Redskins have to look at him this way: that he's the fourth or fifth best lineman in the draft (depending on what we think of Oher/Smith). If we treat him any other way, we're probably missing the bottom line.

Of course, don't take the fifth best OLman if you can get the third.

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Mack is strictly a G/C prospect in the NFL correct?

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[quote=The Goat;538214]Mack is strictly a G/C prospect in the NFL correct?[/quote]Yeah, I'd say that's about right.

I'm sure he could handle RT, but my response would be "why?" That's just not where his true value is.

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