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[quote=GMScud;541023]We'd have to give up multiple 1st round picks or other picks and pro-bowl players to get him. We have too many needs to eff around with something like this. It's not like we're desperate for QB help. We'd give up way too much. Campbell and those kind of picks/players for one guy isn't as much of an upgrade as a lot of people think.

As you say, Cutler IS an upgrade over Campbell. But would giving up Campbell AND the high quality picks/players it would take to get Cutler be an upgrade for the Redskins as a team? No sir.[/quote]

Nailed it. End of thread, nothing more to see here folks.

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[url=http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/04/01/flirtation-between-snyder-shanahan-already-has-begun/]ProFootballTalk.com - Flirtation Between Snyder, Shanahan Already Has Begun?[/url]

Here it goes...

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I swear if this "Cutler to the Redskins" thing becomes a (sad) reality, I may have to swallow my pride and accept Mike Florio's reporting. With that being said, Florio is the only one reporting about the Redskins, everybody else has the Jets as the #1 contender (especially since they made [URL="http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/2009/04/01/2009-04-01_jets_after_jay_cutler_as_broncos_put_qua.html"]inquiries about Cutler on March 23rd according to the New York Daily and are now heavily pursuing a trade[/URL]).

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PFT and the Sports Junkies, right up there with Schefter, Mort & John Clayton.....:frusty:

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This is going to happen folks with us getting Cutler and I could not be any happier. I mean he is a proven signal caller which could get this offense moving in the right direction. Jason Campbell is not in the quarterback for our west coast system. Cutler will at least get defenses from stacking the box so that Portis and the running backs can have some room. I just do not want to give up a ton to get this guy. Franchise quarterbacks are not a a dime in a dozen. Cutler is proven and my boy Sanchez is not, so I would be okay with Cutler who seems to be a fit for a west coast quarterback.

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[quote=Sean"Big Hurt"Taylor;541057]This is going to happen folks with us getting Cutler and I could not be any happier. I mean he is a proven signal caller which could get this offense moving in the right direction. Jason Campbell is not in the quarterback for our west coast system. Cutler will at least get defenses from stacking the box so that Portis and the running backs can have some room. [B]I just do not want to give up a ton to get this guy.[/B] Franchise quarterbacks are not a a dime in a dozen. Cutler is proven and my boy Sanchez is not, so I would be okay with Cutler who seems to be a fit for a west coast quarterback.[/quote]

Well given the fact that one of the teams interested in Cutler has the #1 overall pick, I would say that giving up a ton is going to happen. This why I don't understand people like you who feel that Cutler is going to fix everything since we will most likely lose our our current starting QB, an either our #13 pick (or multiple future picks) or one of our top players (Cooley/Landry/etc.).

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They need to send him to Detroit. Going to one of the crappiest cities in the USA to play for the worst-run team in the NFL will really make him realize how good he had it in Denver.

Then he'll have something to cry about. :)



I DO NOT WANT HIM HERE.

I predict Detroit, Tampa or the Jets will get him.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;541050][url=http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/04/01/flirtation-between-snyder-shanahan-already-has-begun/]ProFootballTalk.com - Flirtation Between Snyder, Shanahan Already Has Begun?[/url]

Here it goes...[/quote]

How about a poll to make things interesting:
The Next PFT Headline will be:

Jim Zorn Not Returning Vinny Cerrato or Dan Snyder's Phone Calls

Jason Campbell Buys New Car Dealership in Colorado

Roger Goodell to Fine Dan Snyder for Tampering in Cutler Talks

Vinny Cerrato Denies Talks For Cutler, Admits Man-Crush for Brady Quinn

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Am i the only one that finds it really really REALLY suspicious that all these rumors (pertaining to the skins and Cutler) are heating up on April Fools day? Im not dismissing the notion that Cutler is on the trading block, but so far, no reputable sources are legitimately saying the skins are interested in a manner that cant be passed off later as just an april fools joke.

That said, I'm not a fan of Campbell and a couple weeks ago I was adamant in my desire to acquire Cutler at all costs.... but that all ended for me the second it was reported that Cutler - a diabetic - has an alcohol problem. Not to be insensitive, but I dont want to trade anything for a guy who is likely to be unable to play football - if not dead - in a couple years. I still dont like Campbell as our QB of the future, but the risk in acquiring Cutler is just too high now. The potential rewards for such a move have greatly diminished. If he were a free agent, the story would be different, but I wouldnt give up what is likely going to be required to acquire Cutler. He's simply not worth the risk.

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If they can get him without giving up Landry, Cooley or this years 1st round pick that'd be sweet. Campbell and next years 1st round and another draft pick. I doubt we'll get him though. I dont see Campbell taking this or any team anywhere though.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;541063]Am i the only one that finds it really really REALLY suspicious that all these rumors (pertaining to the skins and Cutler) are heating up on April Fools day? Im not dismissing the notion that Cutler is on the trading block, but so far, no reputable sources are legitimately saying the skins are interested in a manner that cant be passed off later as just an april fools joke.

That said, I'm not a fan of Campbell and a couple weeks ago I was adamant in my desire to acquire Cutler at all costs.... but that all ended for me the second it was reported that Cutler - a diabetic - has an alcohol problem. Not to be insensitive, but I dont want to trade anything for a guy who is likely to be unable to play football - if not dead - in a couple years. I still dont like Campbell as our QB of the future, but the risk in acquiring Cutler is just too high now. The potential rewards for such a move have greatly diminished. If he were a free agent, the story would be different, but I wouldnt give up what is likely going to be required to acquire Cutler. He's simply not worth the risk.[/quote]
I guess I missed the reports that Cutler has a drinking problem.

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[quote=firstdown;541069]I guess I missed the reports that Cutler has a drinking problem.[/quote]

It was hidden with the reports that the writers at PFT.com also have drinking problems.

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[quote=firstdown;541069]I guess I missed the reports that Cutler has a drinking problem.[/quote]

Some blog with a Fox station in Denver reported that some unnamed source suggested that Cutler might drink too much on occassion for a diabetic...or something like that

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[quote=SmootSmack;541073]Some blog with a Fox station in Denver reported that some unnamed source suggested that Cutler might drink too much on occassion for a diabetic...or something like that[/quote]

Unnamed source in Denver said he does it occasionally?

Probably Coach McDaniels.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;540973]Like I've said time and time before if we don't pull the trigger on Cutler if he's available then it's our fault if we struggle on offense again this season! Jason is a decent QB and a nice guy but he is NOT a franchise QB and Cutler would make us a contender today! I hope we get him!!!!!![/quote]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]My man, thank you for saying it. Jason is nice, but he is going to be a career backup good one too but not a starter especially for a west coast offense. It would serve him better to be on a team with a dominant defense that only need a quarterback just to go in and not make mistakes or just man the ship. Jason didn’t make many mistakes last year however I heard critics say he missed a lot of big plays by checking down to other receives and I trend to agree with that. True our defense has been pretty good and will be better but our defense doesn't score many point like B-more or Pittsburgh so that formula would not work for us. Get Cutler and the keep Cult and groom him either for the future if the need my araise because of injury or something or use him as trade bait. Just my thoughts [/FONT][/COLOR]

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How can he be a career backup when he's a starter now?

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nevermind...

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Why not trade him to Tennessee for Vince Young and their #1 and #3.

He could go home, and the Titans would be able to get Old man Collins out of football.

Broncos could still trade up and get Sanchez as insurance if Young didn't work out.

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[quote=Buster;541075]Unnamed source in Denver said he does it occasionally?

Probably Coach McDaniels.[/quote]
there were photos. he's got a problem.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;541091]there were photos. he's got a problem.[/quote]


What him drinking a Coors Light. There are a couple of me doing that too, guess I got a drinking problem, geez. Well at least I am past stage one, denial.

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The whole drinking thing with Culter sounds a bit like someone trying to stir up a smear campaign. There's a pic of him at a wedding or something doing a shot, big deal.

I dunno, I'm coming around to the idea of bringing in Cutler. Hey why not, trade JC and toss in a pick for next year and we're SB bound.

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One of the funny things about this whole deal is if it happens we will still have a QB that a segment of our fan base would hate! We're a miserable bunch, lol!

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He's not going to be my beer pong partner. I would however like him to consider throwing touchdowns for us.

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This is really killing me. I don't know much about the drinking claim, and there really isn't a way to prove it. The picture doesn't show him doing a keg stand right, so that is all that really matters.

Again as some have been saying, Cutler IMO is not that good. Our schedule seemed much harder than the Broncos. NFC East in general is much more competitive, and I feel if Campbell was in the AFC West he would dominate. His numbers as others pointed out weren't amazing either, but yes he threw TDs.

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[quote=Paintrain;541099]One of the funny things about this whole deal is if it happens we will still have a QB that a segment of our fan base would hate! We're a miserable bunch, lol![/quote]

Winning a SB is really the only cure. It isn't exclusive to the Skins, any team that has a QB that hasn't won the SB has fans that don't like the guy. Only person I think really didn't fit that mold was Peyton before his ring.

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[quote=Mattyk72;541096]The whole drinking thing with Culter sounds a bit like someone trying to stir up a smear campaign. There's a pic of him at a wedding or something doing a shot, big deal.

I dunno, I'm coming around to the idea of bringing in Cutler. Hey why not, trade JC and toss in a pick for next year and we're SB bound.[/quote]

Alright Matty !!
I'm glad to hear you say it. I'm all for Cutler myself. What the hell, it's not like we've been winning lately.....something has to give.

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[quote=Mattyk72;541096]The whole drinking thing with Culter sounds a bit like someone trying to stir up a smear campaign. There's a pic of him at a wedding or something doing a shot, big deal.

I dunno, I'm coming around to the idea of bringing in Cutler. Hey why not, trade JC and toss in a pick for next year and we're SB bound.[/quote]

Not sure if that last sentence is sarcastic or not, but regardless it's an interesting topic. There isn't anything wrong with selling the future (ie draft picks or free agent signings that bog down the cap) in order to make an immediate big splash. But a team needs to be an elite team trying to find the missing piece if they are to do that. '00 was a good example of that; the Skins made their big free agent moves (Smith, Deion, Carrier, etc) and improved their defense from 30th in the league to 2nd in the league. They had the 2nd best offense the previous year (behind only the Rams). In other words, the off-season for which Snyder is most commonly criticized was actually an effective off-season that would have worked had the Skins offense not been decimated by injuries. I'm digressing though. The point is that a team can get significantly better with a few strong moves. But at what cost?
I'm against the Cutler trade because I don't think the Skins are quite there yet. The defense is statistically good, but it doesn't force turnovers and isn't dominant. The receivers are far too much of a question mark and the o-line is old. The offensive schemed was less effective with every game last year.
I think it's an interesting discussion though.

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[quote=SOUL-SKINS;541105]Alright Matty !!
I'm glad to hear you say it. I'm all for Cutler myself. What the hell, it's not like we've been winning lately.....something has to give.[/quote]

It's called sarcasm.

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I hate the off-season

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Worst case; he winds up in Tampa. Or with the Vikings. Just be nice if he stayed in the AFC

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Report: Redskins “Among The Leading Candidates” To Get Cutler
Posted by Mike Florio on April 1, 2009, 7:07 a.m.

Yahoo! Sports published on Tuesday night a list of six teams interested in Denver quarterback Jay Cutler, whom the Broncos will trade.

The list didn’t include the Redskins.

But it now should.

According to Mike Klis of the Denver Post, the Redskins are one of the leading candidates to land Cutler.

The move isn’t surprising to us; we’ve heard chatter for several weeks that the Redskins are interested. Last month, executive V.P. of football operations Vinny Cerrato issued a carefully-worded non-denial denial of interest in Cutler.

Another key angle at play here is the status of former Denver coach Mike Shanahan. The Redskins could be eyeballing a one-two punch that would involve getting Cutler now, and then getting Shanahan in 2010.

And maybe, as our pal Todd Wright of Sporting News Radio pointed out during our Tuesday night visit with him, the ‘Skins would pull off an April/May coaching change, swapping out Jim Zorn for Shanahan.

Of course, such a move would make it difficult to comply with the Rooney Rule, since anyone with any sense would realize that Shanahan is the target, if Zorn were to be fired so late in the offseason. Barring an Art Shell-style sham interview, the Redskins would have to factor a hefty fine into the budget for buying out Zorn and acquiring Shanahan.


HOPE IT HAPPENS!!!!!!!!

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fines!? haha. As long as they don't apply the fines to the cap, who cares?

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So if this deal actually happens it seems the Skins are committed to the get rich quick scheme. Did we not learn anything from the Hogs of the past...gotta build the lines, that's really what creates a good QB

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[quote=skinsfaninok;541121]Report: Redskins “Among The Leading Candidates” To Get Cutler
Posted by Mike Florio on April 1, 2009, 7:07 a.m.

Yahoo! Sports published on Tuesday night a list of six teams interested in Denver quarterback Jay Cutler, whom the Broncos will trade.

The list didn’t include the Redskins.

But it now should.

According to Mike Klis of the Denver Post, the Redskins are one of the leading candidates to land Cutler.

The move isn’t surprising to us; we’ve heard chatter for several weeks that the Redskins are interested. Last month, executive V.P. of football operations Vinny Cerrato issued a carefully-worded non-denial denial of interest in Cutler.

Another key angle at play here is the status of former Denver coach Mike Shanahan. The Redskins could be eyeballing a one-two punch that would involve getting Cutler now, and then getting Shanahan in 2010.

And maybe, as our pal Todd Wright of Sporting News Radio pointed out during our Tuesday night visit with him, the ‘Skins would pull off an April/May coaching change, swapping out Jim Zorn for Shanahan.

Of course, such a move would make it difficult to comply with the Rooney Rule, since anyone with any sense would realize that Shanahan is the target, if Zorn were to be fired so late in the offseason. Barring an Art Shell-style sham interview, the Redskins would have to factor a hefty fine into the budget for buying out Zorn and acquiring Shanahan.


HOPE IT HAPPENS!!!!!!!![/quote]

This stinks of April Fool's Day tomfoolery! LOL.

HAIL!

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NOTNOTNOT gonna' happen..........thank God!~!

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[quote=hooskins;541124]So if this deal actually happens it seems the Skins are committed to the get rich quick scheme. Did we not learn anything from the Hogs of the past...gotta build the lines, that's really what creates a good QB[/quote]

The lines or the oline? Yeah, because building the Dline is going to make Campbell a pro bowler.

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culter just checked into landsdowne resort in ashburn this morning. zorn is also there. id say this is a done deal.

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[quote=dirk62;541132]culter just checked into landsdowne resort in ashburn this morning. zorn is also there. id say this is a done deal.[/quote]

You forgot the April's Fools at the end.

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im serious my buddy works there at the front desk. i didnt physically see him there but hes a pretty reliable source and not one for april fools. He hates cutler.

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you've got a lot of credibility 1st post. I think you're a mod f'ing with us.