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[quote=T.O.Killa;543591]Hey I hate to cause more controversy, I am beggining to believe the Redskins are going to move up in the draft take a quarterback and let Leftwich play QB till Sanchez or Stafford are ready to take over. I just think that it is odd the way they are signing Leftwich and went after Cutler.[/quote]

I just don't see this as even being a sparkle in Vinnie's eye. My guess is that if anything he wants to move down and get picks.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;543591]Hey I hate to cause more controversy, I am beggining to believe the Redskins are going to move up in the draft take a quarterback and let Leftwich play QB till Sanchez or Stafford are ready to take over. I just think that it is odd the way they are signing Leftwich and went after Cutler.[/quote]I think we can rule out moving up. I don't think we can rule out taking a guy we really like if he's there at 13.

It wouldn't be a good move, but it would be fitting.

BTW, don't say "I hate to cause more controversy" when you are trying to cause controversy. Just jump right into it next time.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;543591]Hey I hate to cause more controversy, I am beggining to believe the Redskins are going to move up in the draft take a quarterback and let Leftwich play QB till Sanchez or Stafford are ready to take over. I just think that it is odd the way they are signing Leftwich and went after Cutler.[/quote]

I certainly hope not. I don't see us getting any better by doing that.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;543591]Hey I hate to cause more controversy, I am beggining to believe the Redskins are going to move up in the draft take a quarterback and let Leftwich play QB till Sanchez or Stafford are ready to take over. I just think that it is odd the way they are signing Leftwich and went after Cutler.[/quote]

Personally I doubt it.

Cutler hit the market and a lot of teams, not just the Skins, got their panties in a bunch.

I think it's back to reality time now though. Our best option is to go with JC and hope he can earn his big payday.

I don't think the FO has anything against JC necessarily. They just got stars in their eyes when Cutler was available.

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JC has his head on strait IMO. When they attempted to get Cassel, Cutler got offended and threw a fit... JC just looked over at the chip that was already on his shoulder, and watched it grow. His determination and lack of crying and complaining should be a sign to all Redskins fans that we at least have a mentally sound QB that at least wants to play and will give his all to do what he can for the franchise. If he fails this season, we will all know that he simply does not have the skills/talent that we thought we were getting when we drafted him. This is what separates JC from Cutler, and Leftwich for that matter. In a contract year, after trying to be traded, (potentially) having a semi-talented wanna-be starter under him, and having shown he legitimately wants to play for us and give his all every team we play should be afraid. Determination does not win championships, but heart will prevail!

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If you think JC has a slow release, Leftwich is even slower. Having him here to compete or even be a back up makes no sense at all, unless Coach Zorn completely cans his WCO.

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He's not a west coast QB. He and Campbell are very similar. I like Leftwich more (I have been a fan ever since he played at Marshall... not like that whiney fag QB Marshall put out that plays for Miami now) but I don't think he'd be better than Campbell in this offense. Under Gibbs, I would've taken Leftwich as a starter in a heartbeat, though. I think he's a perfect power run/stretch it out QB, and he's probably better than Rothlesburger for Pittsburgh.

I like him here if JZ is gone because I like him a lot, but otherwise I think it's a waste of a roster spot. I could be wrong, but I think he didn't do well when the Jags changed their scheme...

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[quote=Nflnick11;543309]I don't like Collins,[B] I love Brennan[/B] I like Campbell in a different system I like leftwitch in a different system..so what am I saying, cut collins and start Brennan[/quote]

What do you love about Colt Brennan?

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I think that Leftwich is still a top 20 quarterback and would give us our best chance to win if Campbell went down. His only problem is he cant stay healthy and needs to change his delivery. I was watching the nfl network and they were saying that if he found the right coach he could change his delivery and still be a great quarterback. He is still young.

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[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?id=4045554]Seth Wickersham examines the art of being a backup QB - ESPN[/url]

Pretty decent thread bout a quarterback accepting the fact he will be a backup.
Excerpt from it.

[I]"First, he says, a backup has to be pure in his motives so that he earns the starter's trust. Only then does the No. 1 guy not feel threatened. [B]For instance, last season Campbell, playing in his seventh offensive system in eight seasons going back to college, had a few questions about a pass-protection scheme, questions he was too embarrassed to ask.[/B] So Collins, being a friend first and a position rival second, asked the coaches for him. "It works much better when guys are working together on the same team," Collins says."[/I]

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Looks like [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4062212"]Leftwich will be a Buc backup.[/URL]

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[quote=Stuck in TX;543604]JC has his head on strait IMO. When they attempted to get Cassel, Cutler got offended and threw a fit... JC just looked over at the chip that was already on his shoulder, and watched it grow. His determination and lack of crying and complaining should be a sign to all Redskins fans that we at least have a mentally sound QB that at least wants to play and will give his all to do what he can for the franchise. If he fails this season, we will all know that he simply does not have the skills/talent that we thought we were getting when we drafted him. This is what separates JC from Cutler, and Leftwich for that matter. In a contract year, after trying to be traded, (potentially) having a semi-talented wanna-be starter under him, and having shown he legitimately wants to play for us and give his all every team we play should be afraid. Determination does not win championships, but heart will prevail![/quote]

Heart doesn't amount to squat unless you have a great supporting cast. That my friend, is going to be any Redskin QB's problem for the next couple years at least, and that is even if we got Cutler!!!!! Everything is going to hinge on how our young receivers develop and how we deal with rebuilding the offensive line. Everyone(especially Bradshaw) always talked about Favre's big heart, but you know ,what? Without that excellent supporting cast of his, he was an aging average QB, who was reduced to trying to force plays and making himself an ass in the end. Also what is determination? It is the drive to succeed, so your statement about determination not winning championships and heart prevailing is a rather large fallacy!!!!

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Here is Cooley's take on Colt Brennan.
Chris Cooley, Washington Redskins
No questions asked, Colt has the potential to be a starter in the NFL. He has all the qualities to get the job done. In the next couple of years, he'll get a shot somewhere.
[url=http://chat.nfl.com/front/archived_chat/250]NFL Live Chat[/url]

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I like Colt, not sayin he is the best thing since sliced bread but he plays with energy and the rest of the players feed off of him. I like his gunslinger mentality.and the way he plays.

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;557291]I like Colt, not sayin he is the best thing since sliced bread but he plays with energy and the rest of the players feed off of him. I like his gunslinger mentality.and the way he plays.[/quote]

what players are these?????

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The offensive players. the ones in the huddle.

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Like Mason, McMullen, etc.

You know, the guys that won't make the team any way.

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whats up with rehashing these old threads?

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[quote=dmek25;557342]whats up with rehashing these old threads?[/quote]

It's the offseason man, the offseason. LOL.

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[quote=Mattyk72;557339]Like Mason, McMullen, etc.

You know, the guys that won't make the team any way.[/quote]

lol!
we'll see if they "feed off him" if he gets a chance w/the first team! Actually, 2nd team is more realistic. In all seriousness, I surely hope he can win the 2nd spot.

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[quote=Zerohero;543764][URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?id=4045554"]Seth Wickersham examines the art of being a backup QB - ESPN[/URL]

Pretty decent thread bout a quarterback accepting the fact he will be a backup.
Excerpt from it.

[I]"First, he says, a backup has to be pure in his motives so that he earns the starter's trust. Only then does the No. 1 guy not feel threatened. [B]For instance, last season Campbell, playing in his seventh offensive system in eight seasons going back to college, had a few questions about a pass-protection scheme, questions he was too embarrassed to ask.[/B] So Collins, being a friend first and a position rival second, asked the coaches for him. "It works much better when guys are working together on the same team," Collins says."[/I][/quote]

That's great for Collins. And it just further illustrates how big of a p---y JC is. He was embarrassed to ask about a pass-protection scheme??? Do what!?

Everyone looks to the positive in how Jason didn't respond like Cutler. I think it illustrates a flaw that Jason has in his personality. He's too soft spoken, and he doesnt stand up for himself. Where is the confidence?

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[quote=Monksdown;557362]That's great for Collins. And it just further illustrates how big of a p---y JC is. He was embarrassed to ask about a pass-protection scheme??? Do what!?

Everyone looks to the positive in how Jason didn't respond like Cutler. I think it illustrates a flaw that Jason has in his personality. He's too soft spoken, and he doesnt stand up for himself. Where is the confidence?[/quote]Cooley indicated on NFLN this week that Jason has stepped up and is taking the reigns. Because he was reluctant to ask what he felt may have been a "stupid" question makes him a p---y?? That's a reach. Also, it's great for Collins to do that for JC, not so great to tell an ESPN reporter about it.

Check out the line above my avatar. Better get with the program and start rooting for JC. Like it or not, he's the man for '09. If he's not successful, the Skins won't be successful.

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Totally agree with you on our success being directly linked to Jason's growth. That's why im settling in for another long mediocre season.

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[quote=Monksdown;557362]Everyone looks to the positive in how Jason didn't respond like Cutler. I think it illustrates a flaw that Jason has in his personality. He's too soft spoken, and he doesnt stand up for himself. Where is the confidence?[/quote]

So I guess you would have been happier if he demanded a trade and whined his way outta town? :doh:

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Not at all. I just knew he was going to react close to how he did because it's in his personality to keep quiet. I'm just worried, it's not because he classy, but because he doesnt know how to stand up for himself. That quote about Todd Collins asking the coaches a pass protection question because Jason was embarrassed really really sucks.

Havent you ever gotten frustrated with the same game face he has, win or lose? TD or Int. I see no emotion.

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The no emotion thing doesn't really hold much water with me and really it's a baseless subjective complaint some fans seem to cling to. He didn't exactly keep quiet either, he did let it known that he was frustrated about what was going on.

In the end it's all about performance and leading by example. A fiery personality doesn't mean shit if you can't back it up.

I think it takes more balls to stand tall in the face of adversity and take the high road vs. bitching and whining to get what you want. I guarantee that his teammates have a lot more respect for him now with the way he has handled things this offseason.

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[quote=Monksdown;557385]

Everyone looks to the positive in how Jason didn't respond like Cutler. I think it illustrates a flaw that Jason has in his personality. He's too soft spoken, and he doesnt stand up for himself. Where is the confidence?[/quote]
Confidence means you don't have to make a show to stand up for yourself, just go out and do what needs to be done.
[quote=Monksdown]
Not at all. I just knew he was going to react close to how he did because it's in his personality to keep quiet. I'm just worried, it's not because he classy, but because he doesnt know how to stand up for himself. That quote about Todd Collins asking the coaches a pass protection question because Jason was embarrassed really really sucks.

Havent you ever gotten frustrated with the same game face he has, win or lose? TD or Int. I see no emotion.[/quote]

What are you talking about? He did what a LEADER does when faced with adversity. Rather than talk about, he was doing something about it. During the Cutler madness day he was at Redskins Park, doing his weight work and throwing to receivers, like a leader should be doing. Talk and emotion are way overrated. It has nothing to do with 'not knowing how to stick up for himself'. If that was the case he would have stayed at home rather than face the questions he got of 'what are you doing here'? His response was perfect, 'I am the QB of this team until told otherwise.' Bullies and weaklings always feel the need to 'stick up for themselves', leaders lead by actions.

You're reading WAY too much into the Collins thing. If the story came out that he asked a question for something he should have known the reply would probably be 'what a dumbass, he can't even learn basic plays'.

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[quote=Monksdown;557385]Not at all. I just knew he was going to react close to how he did because it's in his personality to keep quiet. I'm just worried, it's not because he classy, but because he doesnt know how to stand up for himself. That quote about Todd Collins asking the coaches a pass protection question because Jason was embarrassed really really sucks.

Havent you ever gotten frustrated with the same game face he has, win or lose? TD or Int. I see no emotion.[/quote]Since I know that no one is crazy enough to base a player evaluation off of a throwaway tidbit in someone's column that's written to show a character trait of a totally different player, I'm going to assume you have inside information about Campbell the person that the rest of us aren't privy to.

Like, I think if you were his shrink, you would be able to develop an informed opinion on this.

I like Jason, so I was hoping you could tell us about his charity work or something.

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[quote=Monksdown;557362]That's great for Collins. And it just further illustrates how big of a p---y JC is. He was embarrassed to ask about a pass-protection scheme??? Do what!?

Everyone looks to the positive in how Jason didn't respond like Cutler. I think it illustrates a flaw that Jason has in his personality. He's too soft spoken, and he doesnt stand up for himself. Where is the confidence?[/quote]

I just got out of a mtg., during which I wanted to ask a question but decided not to. As my boss once said, in college they tell you 'there are no dumb questions' but in the working world, there are plenty of dumb questions.

Sometimes, it's best to think first & see if you can get the answer w/out asking for it in the middle of something. Granted, he's the QB & has got to know more than anyone else. So, really this comes down to study habits, not personality.

If you just said that you thought he wasn't prepared & plays like he isn't prepared, that's at least a reasonable judgement or educated guess. But that isn't a personality flaw. He had enough pride that he didn't want to look uninformed in front of his teamates, that doesn't sound like a personality flaw to me.

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I just felt like stirring the pot a bit. I honestly didn't put much thought into my statements. I retract my uninformed analysis of our flacid quarterback.

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Ok, i know ill get blasted for this but this is my 2 on the JC deal
He didnt demand a trade or go all Cutler because he knows he is not Cutler who is a pro bowl QB, we tried to trade JC... NO TAKERS. rumor was we wanted a 2nd and went down to a 3rd and still here he is.Tells me im not alone. Id like to see JC break out this year and prove me wrong but i wouldnt bet my house on it.

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He still could have raised a stink if he wanted to.

In the end who cares. He handled the situation with class. If some can't or won't appreciate that... fine. Some people are going to think what they want no matter what the reality of the situation is.

All that really matters is how he plays on Sundays. The same people crapping on him now will be wearing his jersey if he has a big year.

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Like i said i want him to prove me wrong, if he does that means we have a great season.

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I think its all a learning experience, and he watched how Brunell handled the media and trade/demotion rumors. Jason will have an above average season, probably will be the sixth best QB in the NFC. I think the team will play better this season and that's the key.

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what the hell is wrong with the front office...also leftwich is fat as hell

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[quote=T.O.Killa;557287]Here is Cooley's take on Colt Brennan.
Chris Cooley, Washington Redskins
No questions asked, Colt has the potential to be a starter in the NFL. He has all the qualities to get the job done. In the next couple of years, he'll get a shot somewhere.
[url=http://chat.nfl.com/front/archived_chat/250]NFL Live Chat[/url][/quote]


Tank, NJ
06:17 PM ET

I think Jared Cook will be better than you. What do you think?


Chris Cooley, Washington Redskins
I do not know who Jared Cook is. Obviously, you're not a 'Skins fan. I think Paris Hilton would probably be a better sports analyst than you.


hahahaha

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[quote=Monksdown;557362]That's great for Collins. And it just further illustrates how big of a p---y JC is. He was embarrassed to ask about a pass-protection scheme??? Do what!?

Everyone looks to the positive in how Jason didn't respond like Cutler. I think it illustrates a flaw that Jason has in his personality. He's too soft spoken, and he doesnt stand up for himself. Where is the confidence?[/quote]

He definitely should've asked himself. Apparently Collins didn't have the grasp either, but I'd rather ask the question then not have the protection that I'm looking for.

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[quote=Mattyk72;557391]The no emotion thing doesn't really hold much water with me and really it's a baseless subjective complaint some fans seem to cling to. He didn't exactly keep quiet either, he did let it known that he was frustrated about what was going on.

In the end it's all about performance and leading by example. A fiery personality doesn't mean shit if you can't back it up.

I think it takes more balls to stand tall in the face of adversity and take the high road vs. bitching and whining to get what you want. I guarantee that his teammates have a lot more respect for him now with the way he has handled things this offseason.[/quote]

I agree to an extent and the standing up the face of adversity bit works great in the offseason. There's nothing like a QB that gets fired up in the huddle to make everybody squeeze that lil extra bit of hidden effort out though, that 110%. We don't know that Jason isn't like that in the huddle though, or at least I don't.