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I will defend the Gibbs rehire. When I turned on the games on Sundays and saw him, it always felt like a big game and especially when it was a divisional foe. (Luckily a few of them actually were big).

I would say:

1. The Archletta signing (idiotic no matter how you look at it) as well as Lloyd and Randle El.
2. Firing Marty
3. TJ Ducket for a third round pick and whatever else
4. Extending Lavar over Champ
5. Firing Norv when he did it. Norv is not a natural leader but you do not fire a coach who has a lot of talent on the team and a legitimate shot at the playoffs. Snyder showed his immaturity as an owner when he did that. I think he has grown since then. If he could do it again, I don't think he goes with "Robinskie"

The Fortune 500 Skins were underachievers but that was still a decent team. They did beat the eventual champion Ravens that year. I think the Stephen Davis fumble against the Cardinals derailed the entire season.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;562797]I will defend the Gibbs rehire. When I turned on the games on Sundays and saw him, it always felt like a big game and especially when it was a divisional foe. (Luckily a few of them actually were big).

I would say:

1. The Archletta signing (idiotic no matter how you look at it) as well as Lloyd and Randle El.
2. Firing Marty
3. TJ Ducket for a third round pick and whatever else
[B]4. Extending Lavar over Champ [/B]
5. Firing Norv when he did it. Norv is not a natural leader but you do not fire a coach who has a lot of talent on the team and a legitimate shot at the playoffs. Snyder showed his immaturity as an owner when he did that. I think he has grown since then. If he could do it again, I don't think he goes with "Robinskie"

The Fortune 500 Skins were underachievers but that was still a decent team. They did beat the eventual champion Ravens that year. I think the Stephen Davis fumble against the Cardinals derailed the entire season.[/quote]

We offered Champ a phat contract, and he straight up refused. He wanted out. So we moved him for a guy who is gonna go down as possibly the best RB in team history, at worst 2nd best behind Riggo.

[url=http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/lions/2004-02-18-bailey_x.htm]USATODAY.com - Redskins designate Bailey as franchise player[/url]

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[quote=GMScud;562799]We offered Champ a phat contract, and he straight up refused. He wanted out. So we moved him for a guy who is gonna go down as possibly the best RB in team history, at worst 2nd best behind Riggo.

[URL="http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/lions/2004-02-18-bailey_x.htm"]USATODAY.com - Redskins designate Bailey as franchise player[/URL][/quote]

Obviously it wasn't "phat" enough. Your article states that there were clauses that Bailey wasn't happy with and he ended up walking.

I didn't want to turn this into rehashing the Portis/Champ deal but honestly it was a terrible move to ship out the elite player in the league at a premier position (I consider LT and CB as two premier positions right behind QB) and a second rounder for an interchangeable part (RB). Hindsight being 20/20 I would think most people could see that the Redskins definitely got the worst end of the deal.

I love Portis, he is a great runningback but he has done nothing to put himself in the same sentence as John Riggins. There is some fools gold in his stats here and he had two chances to put the team on his back when we needed it in a playoff game and it didn't happen.

Charley Taylor was a pretty good back too...

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;562807]I didn't want to turn this into rehashing the Portis/Champ deal but honestly it was a terrible move to ship out the elite player in the league at a premier position (I consider LT and CB as two premier positions right behind QB) and a second rounder for an interchangeable part (RB). [B]Hindsight being 20/20 I would think most people could see that the Redskins definitely got the worst end of the deal[/B]. ..[/quote]

I dont particularly wish to rehash this one either but to say that "most people" would say the Skins got the worst of the deal is, in my opionion, just wrong. I would be happy to put it to a poll. The Skins got the second beck back in their history who literally carried them into the playoffs a couple years ago. And the second rounder turned into Tatum Bell, (sarcasm font on) easily interchangeable with CP (sarcasm font off).

To me the trade was a wash and considering that Champ had zero desire to play for the Skins, to get CP was probably a best case scenario.

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1) him buying the team in the first place
2) no continuity( ex. Firing schottenheimer, turner, getting spurrier)
3) Adam archuleta, brandon Lloyd, Dana stubblefield, deon sanders, Bruce smith, Jason Taylor... The list goes on of overpaid busts
4) giving away our draft picks; especially first and second rounders
5) wanting to have the final say in everything; being a jerry jones instead of an art Rooney, Robert kraft, jim irsay, Steve bishatti, jim mara, jefferie lurie, budd Adams, ...you see what I mean

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[quote=Nflnick11;562810]1) him buying the team in the first place
2) no continuity( ex. Firing schottenheimer, turner, getting spurrier)
3) Adam archuleta, brandon Lloyd, Dana stubblefield, deon sanders, Bruce smith, Jason Taylor... The list goes on of overpaid busts
[B] 4) giving away our draft picks; especially first and second rounders [/B]
5) wanting to have the final say in everything; being a jerry jones instead of an art Rooney, Robert kraft, jim irsay, Steve bishatti, jim mara, jefferie lurie, budd Adams, ...you see what I mean[/quote]

Giving away first rounders isn't something new for the Redskins organization. From 1983 to 1992 the Redskins had three #1's, eleven #2's and eight #3's. Actually, he's been more likely to give away a third than a 1 or 2. Since 1999 we've had nine #1's, eight #2's and six #3's.

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[quote=724Skinsfan;562813]Giving away first rounders isn't something new for the Redskins organization. From 1983 to 1992 the Redskins had three #1's, eleven #2's and eight #3's. Actually, he's been more likely to give away a third than a 1 or 2. Since 1999 we've had nine #1's, eight #2's and six #3's.[/quote]

I love FACTS. :)

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[quote=53Fan;562817]I love FACTS. :)[/quote]

Facts are great, but not as great as wins in the playoffs.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;562829]Facts are great, [B]but not as great as wins in the playoffs[/B].[/quote]

Neither are cookies. Not sure how the fact that we don't throw away our no. 1 picks correlates with us not winning playoff games.???

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;562829]Facts are great, but not as great as wins in the playoffs.[/quote]



THANK YOU!!! I realize facts are important .....but the ultimate goal is wins,and that is the only fact that matters.

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[quote=724Skinsfan;562813]Giving away first rounders isn't something new for the Redskins organization. From 1983 to 1992 the Redskins had three #1's, eleven #2's and eight #3's. Actually, he's been more likely to give away a third than a 1 or 2. Since 1999 we've had nine #1's, eight #2's and six #3's.[/quote]

Ok well then him continuing that trend

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[quote=Giantone;562837]THANK YOU!!! I realize facts are important .....but the ultimate goal is wins,and [B]that is the only fact that matters[/B].[/quote]

I disagree Giantone. In this instance, I think looking at facts, instead of unfounded beliefs, would help one eliminate the wrong reasons for not doing well in the playoffs, and help one come to a realistic view of what the problem really is, and hopefully, what the answer to said problem is. We do not trade first round picks on a regular basis. The reason for not doing well in the playoffs is obviously not because of trading first round picks. Why cloud the issue with BS? I've never been on a Giants board before but I suspect that some of your fellow fans post opinions based on nothing factual, and I may be wrong, but I have a feeling you don't hesitate to correct them. :)

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[quote=53Fan;562843]I disagree Giantone. In this instance, I think looking at facts, instead of unfounded beliefs, would help one eliminate the wrong reasons for not doing well in the playoffs, and help one come to a realistic view of what the problem really is, and hopefully, what the answer to said problem is. We do not trade first round picks on a regular basis. The reason for not doing well in the playoffs is obviously not because of trading first round picks. Why cloud the issue with BS? I've never been on a Giants board before but I suspect that some of your fellow fans post opinions based on nothing factual, and I may be wrong, but I have a feeling you don't hesitate to correct them. :)[/quote]

Right on the money. People want to criticize Snyder or the Redskins, that's perfectly fine. But when they use bogus claims to "support" their point then it makes everything they say pretty much worthless.

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Thanks SS. Oh, and it's really "not your fault". :)

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[quote=Giantone;562837]THANK YOU!!! I realize facts are important .....but the ultimate goal is wins,and that is the only fact that matters.[/quote]

Facts are important when someone is making a bogus claim and someone brings them up to disprove this claim. I don't think anyone was talking about winning or losing here, just bringing up a fact that Snyder was not the only owner to give away picks.

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6. Being seen with Tom Cruise in public.

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[quote=Buster;562928]6. Being seen with Tom Cruise in public.[/quote]

Wait, when did we start talking about the Worst 5 Moves of Katie Holmes career? LOL.