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Well I hope the Jason Campbell haters are happy. The may get their wish and see him off the team. I just hope they don't all hide at once when we have a losing season in 2009.

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[quote=SBXVII;549067]I totally agree he(JC) deserves another yr to prove his worth. I'm not advocating we draft a QB. All I'm saying is if we get one it will not hurt my feeling and I can kinda understand. What will be different with Sanchez? who knows. The kids been in a Pro style WCO his whole time at SC. Yes he only played one yr but he understands the WCO style. Does that make him different no. JC has better experience having played pro games. but "if" JC has a hard time reading defenses and Sanchez supposedly is awsome at reading defenses then we have upgraded. If Sanchez can throw all the NFL throws easily (which I keep hearing and reading) then he's an upgrade to JC considering JC throws the short passes too hard and is not accurate on his long ball. JC has a hard time throwing the ball prior to his WR's making their cuts. He seems to stare down his WR's waiting for them to get open. Sanchez throws the ball prior to the WR making their cuts and hits them [B]in stride[/B]. That's an upgrade to me.

I just hope the team has a plan for RT, G, C, LB, and maybe DE.[/quote]


Ok in that regard I hear you. I just feel that considering the amount of picks we have in this draft, we really should be focusing our attention elsewhere. Now if the FO and our coaches think Sanchez is worth taking than I can understand it and I might even warm up to the idea, especially if they can find another way to fill some of the holes we have. The only thing I'm scared about is the us taking such a player when everyone (FO, and coaches) are not on the same page thus creating a rift between the two and another year of starting all over.

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I didn't watch the press conference, but were Zorn, Vinny, and Snyder grilled on why are they looking to get rid of Campbell? I mean part of me has the hope that this is all a hoax and that it'd be stupid for some member of the press to grill them about why are they running JC out of town, b/c all this would be is smokescreen to either trade down or affect the draft in the team's favor. But there's a part of me that wishes the local media would be up in arms as much as some of us fans are and just find out what da hell is going on instead of feeding the speculation.

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[quote=skinsnut;548988]Is Jeff George still available?[/quote]

Don't know, but what about Deion Sanders?

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[quote=SBXVII;549036]I'm kinda supprised at most of you. If I knew how to work a search button on here I'd find the thread where everyone is bashing JC saying he sucks, has a slow throwing motion, can only throw intermediate passes, throws too hard for short routes, is not accurate on the long ball, can't read defenses. Am I bashing him no not really but I do believe some of these issues. I for one thought Zorn would be able to fix some of the problems, perhaps Zorn has figured out JC will either not change cause of habit or can't change with out ruining some of his effectiveness.

Where are all the Colt fans? I think I only saw one Colt fan on here rallying for the cause. lol.

I agree there are some bigger issues then JC like the OL for protection. but no matter how much protection you give him, if he can't read a defense and audible then nothing will change with a decent OL. Oh, I'll agree he played lights out for 8 games. I'm not knocking him. I'm just wondering where all the JC bashers are?

As for Sanchez. It's not rocket science that JC is in his last yr. If there is a possibility to upgrade a team should do it atleast a yr prior to letting said current QB go cause the new one will have to learn the speed of the game and play calls. I honestly don't know why JC is throwing a fit. Stay with the team, Play lights out, show the Skins they need to resign him, and ask for more money this time. If you lose your possition to a one season, 16 game experienced Rookie then maybe there are serious problems.

How sweet it would be to have JC, Sanchez, and Colt. Perhaps not in that order. JC knows he would get the start. Sanchez does not even have the play book. He has to learn that first and then get on the field for experience, and then learn the speed of the game.

[B]Also, I'm not sure why people are knocking Sanchez unless it's simply due to having to give up so much. Sanchez played in a pro style WCO in college. He can make all the throws. He is accurate. He can scramble, He throws the ball prior to his WR make their breaks (which if I'm accurate [/B]some said JC could not do. He seemed to throw the ball when the WR got to his mark on the field which usually resulted in a ball behind the WR) Sanchez hits his WR in stride. His only knock is he lacks experience. He played one season...16 games.

I have said in other threads....I'm not for moving up and getting him. I'm for dropping back and getting extra picks as long as we have a trade partner. I bet we don't. I believe we need OL, LB, CB, DE, WR, and RB. I'm happy with JC for this yr and see how he does with a better OL. but ....if they get Sanchez, so be it. I'll understand. I don't like mortgaging our future or losing picks to get him but if he is honestly better then JC then good get him. The QB's of this era need to get thicker skin. Buck up and let your play be your mouth. Stop being babies and play. There are 32 teams in the NFL and not everyone can be a starter. JC if you feel snubed then go elsewhere and try to take the job from someone else unless of course your lucky enough to go to a team that has no one.[/quote]

I don't see him having the type of passing skills that Carson Palmer has. I just don't see it. To me he looks just like John David Booty. They're guys you can win with but they're not franchise type guys. I saw a few games where he just looked lost. Did you watch him play Oregen State? USC got owned against a below average team and he played poorly. If you put him on a team that was less talented he wouldn't be getting the hype he is.

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I don't blame Campbell for wanting a trade. I'm hoping we don't draft Sanchez, but it looks more and more like its gonna happen. I think Vinny and Danny think they can get some more depth in the later rounds (o-line, d-line, LB).

My assumption is that the FO thinks that our defense will give us a chance to win every game and that we won't need that much offense. As much as I've been a fan of Campbell since day 1, how much of a dropoff will it be with Sanchez? He's played in a pro-style offense w/USC and from what I've heard he seems like a real confident guy.

I think Danny is looking for a more vocal leader.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;548952][B]The real reason Joe Gibbs left was Dan Snyder he's an idiot.[/quote][/B]
I'm used to drinking myself into oblivion.. I will when we draft Sanchez, I will when we send JC down the road, and I will continue it seems as long as Danny continues to stick his schnozz into football buisiness... BOTTOMS UP FELLAS,TO ANOTHER BANNER 10 YEARS!

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If all this plays out the way it looks like it may, then I personally describe it as an embarrassment and disgrace to the organization. Truly unjust on the behalf of JC, unjust to Head Coach, and to players and fans alike. I agree with most on this this topic as far as "anyone but Sanchez" on D-Day. When will we learn to stop the vicious cycle that seems to start us from square 1 when we appear to be headed in the right direction? It's going to be funny when we draft Dirty, say bye bye to JC, and Todd or Colt starts(hope I'm wrong about Dirty and will admit it if I am). Guess we'll wait and see, but if I had only one pick on Saturday...it would be Orakpo. He would solidify that spot for years. F' it. Give Cleveland our first, third, and Randle El, trade up for BO and pray DT and MK take over as #2 & #3. As far as Sanchez, if we end up with him then that's what we have and all we can do us hope for the best. But I hope it's all a smoke screen...but hope is just that, so brace yourself. -HAIL

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[quote=Redskins_P;549092]I don't blame Campbell for wanting a trade. I'm hoping we don't draft Sanchez, but it looks more and more like its gonna happen. I think Vinny and Danny think they can get some more depth in the later rounds (o-line, d-line, LB).

My assumption is that the FO thinks that our defense will give us a chance to win every game and that we won't need that much offense. As much as I've been a fan of Campbell since day 1, how much of a dropoff will it be with Sanchez? He's played in a pro-style offense w/USC and from what I've heard he seems like a real confident guy.

I think Danny is looking for a more vocal leader.[/quote]

[B][/B]Well when your coming in the league as a Rookie QB you have got earn the respect of your teammates before they are going to respect you. They dont give a hell about what you did at USC.
[B][/B]That theory about our defense keeping us in games well who besides Hanyesworth and Landry that scare any other teams. We cant get pressure without blitzing which is why we dont force ints. Our offense cant seem to ever get up by 14 points so the defense may take some chances to force turnovers. I[B][/B]t maybe a long season for Redskin Fans

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This is great for the Redskins! Now they can say "Look, we like Campbell and we wanted him here. But he and his agent were calling for a trade. And, for the sake of the chemistry of our team, we just felt if he didn't want to be here..."

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ANd I guess Campbell could say, "[I]He started i[/I]t!"

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In all seriousness, JC is gone this year or next anyway. I cant see him signing a new deal with us after all we put him through.

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[quote=Lotus;548993]Right on! I think this rumor is a bunch of crap. Wyche has fallen for a smokescreen and has built up an entire house of cards regarding the Redskins and Sanchez. JLC then repeated what Wyche falsely said.

JC is not quoted in the story. A source is not given. And JC didn't whine through the whole Cutler drama, but now he's uncharacteristically making demands BEFORE Sanchez is even drafted? It just doesn't sound like JC.

I put as much credence in this story as I do the story, [B]"The Redskins have signed Santa Claus to play defensive back."[/B][/quote]

Personally, I think SC would be more suited to play Center, I mean think about it:

-He is always on time
-He always gets the count right
-He never messes up an exchange
-He knows who the naughty DL's are
-He has handled the rock well (ok coal but still it is a rock)
-If he can get down a chimney, he surely can get through the first blocks and lay out a MLB.

Now Grinch, That's who I want as my FS!

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[quote=SouperMeister;548989]Snyderatto has burned this bridge beyond repair in my opinion. I'm beginning to believe that Zorn might be building Campbell up to his face but tearing him down to the FO. My gut instinct with the Zorn hire was that the FO must give Campbell at least 2 years to assimilate yet another offensive system, yet it appears that in typical Snyder fashion, we are going to change up at the most important position on the team. I was convinced that Campbell would be our QB for 10 years, but nothing is ever a given with the instability this owner brings to the franchise. I will be completely disgusted if we mortgage yet more draft picks to select Sanchez.[/quote]

Well even Zorn said when he was hired that new offenses every year was unfortunate for Campbell, but not an excuse. He's an NFL QB so he has to be prepared to adjust. Whether you agree or not, I don't know how sympathetic Zorn was/is to Campbell.

But no one actually thinks Sanchez could be really good, or that Campbell may not reach a much higher level? I mean I'd prefer to keep Campbell for at least one more year. But it's interesting how almost everyone is convinced that we're ruining everything by taking Sanchez.

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[quote=SmootSmack;549133]But it's interesting how almost everyone is convinced that we're ruining everything by taking Sanchez.[/quote]

Are you really surprised though? The sky falls for Skins fans on a regular basis.

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[quote=SBXVII;549043]Can't have it two ways. Either your happy the team makes no moves in the off season and utilizes the draft or your happy with the DS and his wild moves in the off season. Although I liked having picks in the draft Fantasy Fooball is fun to watch also.[/quote]

I'm more interested in watching the team win as many of its 16 games as possible as opposed to being interested in what moves the team is making.

I don't care how exciting our player acquisition process is, I care about winning.

But my comments were more general in nature. Last year we were told that Vinny would have total control over football operations, but clearly now that is not the case. Snyder drove the Cutler bus, and now he's driving the Sanchez bandwagon. We're back to the old ways, which never yielded results.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;549066]Dude, that fossil Collins is just that a fossil and probably would get broken in half by the end of the full 16 game schedule. A 4 game stretch is nice, but a whole season it doth not make!!!!!![/quote]

I'd rather have someone who is older and wins, and actually understands what is he doing.

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[quote=SmootSmack;549133]But it's interesting how almost everyone is convinced that we're ruining everything by taking Sanchez.[/quote]

I don't think a potential Sanchez move in and of itself is the problem. It's that with the Cutler push, and now this, it's clear that Dan Snyder is 100% back to his old ways of getting very involved in player personnel decisions.

I don't get the logic of even considering giving up a pick package for a young QB, as good as he may be, when you already have a pretty good QB AND you have pressing needs at OT and LB. But to me that's the small picture here.

The big picture is Danny boy is back. Gibbs put him in hiding for a few years, but those days are gone. I don't like Snyder making player decisions, it has rarely worked out well because he fails to acknowledge how much of a team sport football really is.

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Don't mind me, I'm just trying out my new Avatar guys. I will change it back if we do not have Mark Sanchez on our roster tomorrow afternoon.

Actually, I am moving this weekend so it may not be tomorrow when/if it were to get changed back.

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[quote=Schneed10;549143]I don't think a potential Sanchez move in and of itself is the problem. It's that with the Cutler push, and now this, it's clear that Dan Snyder is 100% back to his old ways of getting very involved in player personnel decisions.

I don't get the logic of even considering giving up a pick package for a young QB, as good as he may be, when you already have a pretty good QB AND you have pressing needs at OT and LB. But to me that's the small picture here.

The big picture is Danny boy is back. Gibbs put him in hiding for a few years, but those days are gone. I don't like Snyder making player decisions, it has rarely worked out well because he fails to acknowledge how much of a team sport football really is.[/quote]

I'm starting to think that Danny never went away in regard to personnel.

Under Gibbs I think the impression was that he was in control, but in reality Gibbs never said I'm calling the shots, he always referred to a joint decision making process with Danny and Vinny and the coaches.

Perhaps we all just wanted to think Danny wasn't involved, but I'm starting to think he's been involved all along and never really took a significant step back. The presence of Gibbs just made us feel better about it.

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[quote=SmootSmack;549133]Well even Zorn said when he was hired that new offenses every year was unfortunate for Campbell, but not an excuse. He's an NFL QB so he has to be prepared to adjust. Whether you agree or not, I don't know how sympathetic Zorn was/is to Campbell.

But no one actually thinks Sanchez could be really good, or that Campbell may not reach a much higher level? I mean I'd prefer to keep Campbell for at least one more year. But it's interesting how almost everyone is convinced that we're ruining everything by taking Sanchez.[/quote]

I can't speak for everyone SS, but this is why I have a problem with drafting Sanchez. I don't agree with everything we've done in the last year but it seems we were on the right course. We improved ourselves in Free Agency. Campbell improved in Zorns first year and showed glimpses of what we'd like to see. Our rookies have a year under their belts. We've identified our needs...O-Line-OLB, and DE. My own expectations were that in Zorns second year, we would get some o-line and pass rushing help in the draft, add some youth, and build on what Campbell had learned his first year. Now Sanchez may be good. Personally I think he has as much chance to join our Biggest Bust List as he does of being a good QB. And why take that chance right now? If we've identified our biggest needs as O-Line, DE, and OLB, why are we drafting a QB when it hasn't been identifed as one of our biggest needs with our #1 pick and giving up (in all likelyhood) needed draft choices to get him? It's not like he has Peyton Manning written all over him. Even Matthew Stafford is rated higher than him by most experts. If we improve our team in the draft at the positions of need and Campbell does'nt work out this year, we can always draft a QB next year and he can come to a team that is better prepared to win. Like I said, Sanchez may be a good QB, but we still have'nt addressed our positions of need if we trade away the limited amount of picks we have for him, and if he's not....which is something I think any FO should consider, what then?

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[quote=SouperMeister;548989]Snyderatto has burned this bridge beyond repair in my opinion. I'm beginning to believe that Zorn might be building Campbell up to his face but tearing him down to the FO. My gut instinct with the Zorn hire was that the FO must give Campbell at least 2 years to assimilate yet another offensive system, yet it appears that in typical Snyder fashion, we are going to change up at the most important position on the team. I was convinced that Campbell would be our QB for 10 years, but nothing is ever a given with the instability this owner brings to the franchise. I will be completely disgusted if we mortgage yet more draft picks to select Sanchez.[/quote]
Well how does anyone even know if this is Snyder or Zorn who says JC is not the QB to lead this team? I have watched just about ever snap that JC has taken and while he is an OK QB he has not shown me anything to say he is the man to lead this team. I don't think many will argue that Zorn knows the QB job and thats why I'm thinking this is coming more from him then Snyder. Heck last year I saw more from several rokie QB's that impressed me alot more then anything that JC has done. I was at the Giant game two years back when they beat us around game 3 or 4 and then went on to win the SB. That game in my opinion was lost because JC dumped off pass after pass when he had guys wide open 15 to 20 yeards down field. It did not happen ones or twice but more like 8 to 10 times and even my wife asked why he was not throwing to the guys wide open down field. I just think that JC has a problem with locking onto a WR in alot of games but then in the next game he will see the whole field.

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[url=http://www.sportznutz.com/nfl/draft/2009/players/mark_sanchez.htm]2009 NFL Draft Top Prospects - Mark Sanchez[/url]

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[quote=Mattyk72;549148]I'm starting to think that Danny never went away in regard to personnel.

Under Gibbs I think the impression was that he was in control, but in reality Gibbs never said I'm calling the shots, he always referred to a joint decision making process with Danny and Vinny and the coaches.

Perhaps we all just wanted to think Danny wasn't involved, but I'm starting to think he's been involved all along and never really took a significant step back. The presence of Gibbs just made us feel better about it.[/quote]

I don't think he's really much more or less involved than he ever was. But it's a myth that his involvement means others aren't. Seems that people think Zorn is vacationing on some island while everything is happening and he has no input in anything. Zorn isn't Steve Spurrier. He's very involved.

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It only took me several hours to find. lol. I was sooo tired last night sorry. :)

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/27263-for-the-zorn-campbell-excuse-makers.html[/url]

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or:

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-news/26946-mike-wise-redskins-chose-campbell-now.html[/url]

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I'm exhausted, just mortgage the future, draft Sanchez and piss off the real future...Colt Brennan.

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Sanchez the Sexual Assaulter or Campbell the Class Act? Hmmmm.

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This is such bullshit when our line was healthy JC was 6-2(shoulda been 6-1 without the rams mess) and 0 interceptions. Now if whatever stupid shit we're up to does'nt work we're screwed why would he want to stay here. Just destroying his confidence.

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Enough of the small stuff. Let's get to the most important question.

Matty, if the Skins move up and draft Sanchez and then trade Jason Campbell somewhere - - Jets?? - - will you put Sanchez' picture up at the top of the Warpath in place of Campbell?

Or will it be Colt?

Or maybe Haynesworth?

Enquiring minds want to know...

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i dont blame him.....godspeed if he ends up somewhere else......probably the Redskins best trade buddies, the Jets

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;549196]Enough of the small stuff. Let's get to the most important question.

Matty, if the Skins move up and draft Sanchez and then trade Jason Campbell somewhere - - Jets?? - - will you put Sanchez' picture up at the top of the Warpath in place of Campbell?

Or will it be Colt?

Or maybe Haynesworth?

Enquiring minds want to know...[/quote]

Only Summo knows

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[quote=AuburnRedskin;549192]Sanchez the Sexual Assaulter or Campbell the Class Act? Hmmmm.[/quote]

Charges were dropped because of insufficient evidence against Sanchez. It's one thing to not want Sanchez, but let's not start making unwarranted accusations.

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[quote=AuburnRedskin;549192]Sanchez the Sexual Assaulter or Campbell the Class Act? Hmmmm.[/quote]

No need to go there...

stay classy

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[quote=SmootSmack;549205]Charges were dropped because of insufficient evidence against Sanchez. It's one thing to not want Sanchez, but let's not start making unwarranted accusations.[/quote]


Doesn't mean it didn't happen.

Date rape is one of the most prevalent campus crimes and sadly one of the least prosecuted...especially when it's against the star QB of USC.

This also isn't Sanchez's only transgressions...per my Trojan friends

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[quote=AuburnRedskin;549212]Doesn't mean it didn't happen.

Date rape is one of the most prevalent campus crimes and sadly one of the least prosecuted...especially when it's against the star QB of USC.

This also isn't Sanchez's only transgressions...[B]per my Trojan friends[/B][/quote]You gotta bring more than that. That stuff may fly elsewhere but not on here.

"Because my friends said so", isn't a reliable source dude.

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A question i posted elsewhere...

Now that all the Jets rumors are out there about intrest in Campbell....


I think we would have a hell of a draft if we traded up got sanchez, traded campbell to the jets for there 2nd rounder(52) allowing them to get their QB and still get there WR in the draft. And then maybe we luck up and snatch mack with that pick? How would you huys feel about that scenario?
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[quote=AuburnRedskin;549212]Doesn't mean it didn't happen.

Date rape is one of the most prevalent campus crimes and sadly one of the least prosecuted...especially when it's against the star QB of USC.

This also isn't Sanchez's only transgressions...per my Trojan friends[/quote]

My USC friends say he's a good guy who would be a great asset to the team and community.

So your word against mine I guess.

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[quote=Dr Do Itch Big;549217]A question i posted elsewhere...

Now that all the Jets rumors are out there about intrest in Campbell....


I think we would have a hell of a draft if we traded up got sanchez, traded campbell to the jets for there 2nd rounder(52) allowing them to get their QB and still get there WR in the draft. And then maybe we luck up and snatch mack with that pick? How would you huys feel about that scenario?
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I'm not sure we'd get Mack at 52, I think someone like a Loadholt, Meredith, or Tyrone McKenzie might be more likely. But I agree that we have to wait and see how everything shakes out. I don't think we'll get everything we wanted/needed, but I didn't think we would anyway. We could still do well though.

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Sanchez might not make it past the 2nd pick (RAMS) I hear they are now very interested (who isn't). Ok, say the Rams pick him. How does the FO do damaged control #2 with Campbell?