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[quote=redskingrove;556867]The Big Issues: Will Campbell Return? (from Washington Post)

With two quiet weeks looming until organized team activities resume June 1, this seems like a good time to get your take on the team's burning issues. First up: the QB or, as Jim Zorn says it, the kewbie. Given that owner Daniel Snyder attempted to trade for Jay Cutler and considered moving up in the NFL draft to select quarterback Mark Sanchez, Jason Campbell's status is questionable.

Do you think this will be quarterback Jason Campbell's last season with the Redskins and why?[/quote]

If the skins do not win this year then Campbell will be among a long list of players and coaches on this team that do not return.

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[quote=The Goat;557479]...JC has struggled w/ accuracy off and on w/o question. The worst last year IMO was a short pass to a wide open Portis that somehow was well behind and too high...i think this one got picked off. Anyway, Jason has shown he can throw a good ball it's just a matter of consistency. Zorn working w/ him gives me confidence overall...JC will continue to improve, even markedly. Everybody just chill a bit...[/quote]If you're talking about the one against Pittsburgh...oh man Randy Thomas got killed off the snap. Still, you'd like to see some touch on the ball even under duress. Though, in Jason's defense, it only ended up as an INT instead of an incompletion because Portis reached well outside his frame to catch the errant throw, and just batted it up in the air.

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[quote=GTripp0012;557482]If you're talking about the one against Pittsburgh...oh man Randy Thomas got killed off the snap. Still, you'd like to see some touch on the ball even under duress. Though, in Jason's defense, it only ended up as an INT instead of an incompletion because Portis reached well outside his frame to catch the errant throw, and just batted it up in the air.[/quote]

GT u have a photographic memory or something? Yeah I'm sure it was the Pitt game now that you reminded me.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;557468]Agree with GMScud. I remember JC over-throwing some deep balls or being too far inside/outside, but don't remember any under-thrown passes.[/quote]

He overthrew mid-range balls but almost never deep ones. Its seems like every bomb to Moss, Moss has to slow down, turn around and sort of wait for the ball to get there. I kept thinking that they needed to adjust the WR routes to not out-run JC's arm.

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[quote=The Goat;557483]GT u have a photographic memory or something? Yeah I'm sure it was the Pitt game now that you reminded me.[/quote]Well, you know, there were only six of them ;)

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[quote=irish;557484]He overthrew mid-range balls but almost never deep ones. Its seems like every bomb to Moss, Moss has to slow down, turn around and sort of wait for the ball to get there. I kept thinking that they needed to adjust the WR routes to not out-run JC's arm.[/quote]

I remember quite a few deep ball overthrows too. I remember thinking "Damn, he out threw Santana at a full sprint". Unlike GTripp, I do not have a photographic memory. I do distinctly remember having the thought though. Also, I have seen quotes from at least two offensive guys indicating JC's arm strength. One was along the lines of "With JC's arm, we ought to throwing it deep 3 or 4 times a game". That one I think was R. Thomas but not sure. The other was a simple "We (the WR's) aren't going to outrun JC's arm". I am pretty sure that one was ARE.

Quite frankly, other than by you, I have never seen it suggested that JC's arm was anything other than very powerful.

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Noone will say Physically JC has a weakness. IMO its all upstairs.
the guy looks confused after the snap and has admitted to forgetting plays.

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;557503]Noone will say Physically JC has a weakness. IMO its all upstairs.
the guy looks confused after the snap and has admitted to forgetting plays.[/quote]

When exactly did he admit to forgetting plays? That's a new criticism. I thought I'd heard them all but 'forgetful' is a new one!

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my bad, he didnt forget. he claims he didnt hear the play. carolina game.
i remembered reading it wasnt the play called and he made one up. luckily and he even said god was with him as he hit Cooley who broke a long run for the TD to win.

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[quote=Paintrain;557504]When exactly did he admit to forgetting plays? That's a new criticism. I thought I'd heard them all but 'forgetful' is a new one![/quote]

They're coming fast and furious lately huh...

Doesn't have a strong arm, can't remember plays, no emotion, etc.

:doh:

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i don't think anyone could just his arm strength. maybe just his deep ball accuracy.

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i don't think anyone could be critical of his arm strength. maybe just his deep ball accuracy.

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Bottomline, this guy is a former 1st round pick, got paid 1st round money and has yet to show Washington a return on their investment. He has one of the top Backs in the league in CP, a very good TE in Cooley and a good WR in Moss.

players change OC's and even teams each year and have good seasons so enough of that excuse.

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;557514]Bottomline, this guy is a former 1st round pick, got paid 1st round money and has yet to show Washington a return on their investment. He has one of the top Backs in the league in CP, a very good TE in Cooley and a good WR in Moss.

players change OC's and even teams each year and have good seasons so enough of that excuse.[/quote]

God Bless this man ^

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;557514]Bottomline, this guy is a former 1st round pick, got paid 1st round money and has yet to show Washington a return on their investment. He has one of the top Backs in the league in CP, a very good TE in Cooley and a good WR in Moss.

players change OC's and even teams each year and have good seasons so enough of that excuse.[/quote]
and he performed very well in the first part of the season...then the key to any offense, the OL fell apart and we faced some damn good defenses. Didn't CP's production fall off drastically in the second half? As far as money, JC is a value for us in his cap number right now. Also, let's not kid ourselves, our WR corps is not top flight. Moss is a smallish, speed WR. Outside of him what did we have last year.

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Which brings me to my next point....

Jason better dig down and find something deep within himself to improve upon. Because i wouldn't count on Derrick Dockery shoring up all of our OL problems. And i certainly wouldnt count on Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly taking a step forward. They may..but i wouldn't count on it. Not if my job depended on it.

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;557507]my bad, he didnt forget. he claims he didnt hear the play. carolina game.
i remembered reading it wasnt the play called and he made one up. luckily and he even said god was with him as he hit Cooley who broke a long run for the TD to win.[/quote]How many plays does a QB get in a game....about 60, times 16 games...that's about 960 plays in a year. And we hear about 1 being a problem. JC is not the first QB to call his own play in the huddle.

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[quote=Monksdown;557540]Which brings me to my next point....

Jason better dig down and find something deep within himself to improve upon. Because i wouldn't count on Derrick Dockery shoring up all of our OL problems. And i certainly wouldnt count on Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly taking a step forward. They may..but i wouldn't count on it. Not if my job depended on it.[/quote]
So what if the OL struggles this year and Thomas/Kelly don't step up.....do we fire the QB too? JC isn't Colt Brennan, who can block for himself and catch his own passes.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;557543]So what if the OL struggles this year and Thomas/Kelly don't step up.....do we fire the QB too? JC isn't Colt Brennan, who can block for himself and catch his own passes.[/quote]

We will let him go without resigning him because without those tools, he will not improve.

Nice Colt name drop. Colt is the best thing since sliced bread and the west coast offense.

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[quote=Monksdown;557548]We will let him go without resigning him because without those tools, he will not improve.[/quote]What QB would improve with a poor OL?

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[quote=Monksdown;557540]Which brings me to my next point....

Jason better dig down and find something deep within himself to improve upon. Because i wouldn't count on Derrick Dockery shoring up all of our OL problems. [B]And i certainly wouldnt count on Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly taking a step forward. They may..but i wouldn't count on it.[/B] Not if my job depended on it.[/quote]

You've got to be extremely cynical or clueless not to improve improvement from Thomas, Davis and Kelly. We've heard nothing but glowing reports and excitement from everyone surrounding the team about their offseasons. People need a reality check regarding expectations of rookie players and giving up on them so easily. It's madness around here.

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[quote=Mattyk72;557509]They're coming fast and furious lately huh...

Doesn't have a strong arm, can't remember plays, no emotion, etc.

:doh:[/quote]

I also hear that:

- his sh** stinks worse than the average chocolate monkey;
- he regularly has breakfest with known Skins hater Peter King;
- he wears "Thomas the Tank Engine" underwear;
- he is actually a cylon;
- at night, when he is all alone (and not banging his beauty queen girlfriend), he wishes he could play for Philadelphia; and
- he doesn't think Art Monk should be in the Hall of Fame.

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;557514]Bottomline, this guy is a former 1st round pick, got paid 1st round money and has yet to show Washington a return on their investment. He has one of the top Backs in the league in CP, a very good TE in Cooley and a good WR in Moss.

players change OC's and even teams each year and have good seasons so enough of that excuse.[/quote]

So the fact that the likes of Payton Manning, Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Donovan McNabb, and Eli Manning have been in the same offensive system and/or with the same offensive coordinator doesn't mean anything to you? I guess not.

[quote=Monksdown;557540]Which brings me to my next point....

Jason better dig down and find something deep within himself to improve upon. [B]Because i wouldn't count on Derrick Dockery shoring up all of our OL problems. And i certainly wouldnt count on Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly taking a step forward. [/B] They may..but i wouldn't count on it. Not if my job depended on it.[/quote]

Funny that you are demanding a lot of Jason Campbell, yet you don't demand anything from those around him. You either must really hate Jason Campbell or you are on crack.

[quote=Monksdown;557548]We will let him go without resigning him because without those tools, he will not improve.

Nice Colt name drop. [B]Colt is the best thing since sliced bread and the west coast offense.[/B][/quote]

Looks like you are on crack.

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Read the entire comment. The OL is more detrimental than the receivers. And no, i don't think the injury prone receivers we drafted in last year's 2nd round are going to be so successfull that Jason is going to improve with them.

And why don't you temper your expectations when all of your sources are on the 'skins payroll.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;557559]I also hear that:

- his sh** stinks worse than the average chocolate monkey;
- he regularly has breakfest with known Skins hater Peter King;
- [B]he wears "Thomas the Tank Engine" underwear[/B];
- he is actually a cylon;
- at night, when he is all alone (and not banging his beauty queen girlfriend), he wishes he could play for Philadelphia; and
- he doesn't think Art Monk should be in the Hall of Fame.[/quote]
:lol:

My little nephew wears his with his JC jersey, so he's in good company

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[quote=Monksdown;557561]Read the entire comment. The OL is more detrimental than the receivers. And no, i don't think the injury prone receivers we drafted in last year's 2nd round are going to be so successfull that Jason is going to improve with them.

[B]And why don't you temper your expectations when all of your sources are on the 'skins payroll.[/B][/quote]

You should consider the "quote" button so we know who you are talking to.

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[quote=Ruhskins;557565]You should consider the "quote" button so we know who you are talking to.[/quote]


And you should consider the length of the post i was responding to.

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[quote=Monksdown;557569]And you should consider the length of the post i was responding to.[/quote]

What does that even mean?

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I hate to quote long posts. Mainly because i hate when other people do it, the less rotations of my mouse, the better. I know, the height of laziness.

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[quote=Monksdown;557569]And you should consider the length of the post i was responding to.[/quote]

What? This is making less sense than your anti-Campbell rants.

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[quote=Monksdown;557573]I hate to quote long posts. Mainly because i hate when other people do it, the less rotations of my mouse, the better. I know, the height of laziness.[/quote]

You can quote part of the quote then or at least acknowledge who you're talking about. I still can't figure out who your "temper your expectations" comments was directed to.

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[quote=SmootSmack;557576]You can quote part of the quote then or at least acknowledge who you're talking about. I still can't figure out who your "temper your expectations" comments was directed to.[/quote]


It was directed at Paintrain.
Quick side note: Did San Diego's OC move to the Saints with Drew Brees?

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[quote=Monksdown;557580]It was directed at Paintrain.
[B]Quick side note: Did San Diego's OC move to the Saints with Drew Brees?[/B][/quote]

No, but Brees spent 4 years under Marty before going to New Orleans, he played a total of five years with the Chargers. So once again, continuity is a good thing.

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[quote=Monksdown;557561]Read the entire comment. The OL is more detrimental than the receivers. And no, i don't think the injury prone receivers we drafted in last year's 2nd round are going to be so successfull that Jason is going to improve with them.
[B]
And why don't you temper your expectations when all of your sources are on the 'skins payroll.[/B][/quote]

Well I don't have any sources currently on the Skins payroll but everything I read and hear is unanimous in effusively praising Thomas and Davis. You can chose to claim defeat and negativity all you like, I choose the have a positive outlook and high expectations.

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[quote=Mattyk72;557509]They're coming fast and furious lately huh...

Doesn't have a strong arm, can't remember plays, no emotion, etc.

:doh:[/quote]


No emotion, too? First he's criticized for supposedly crying after the Dallas loss & now he's being accused of not having emotion either? :doh:


"Yes, can I have unreasonable arguments against the Washington Redskins starting QB for $1000, Alex?"

"Oh, it's today's Double Jeopardy answer: Sammy Baugh"

"Ummmmmmmmmmm............Who is the last QB that ACTUALLY lived up to Washington's expectations?"


DING DING DING DING! We have a winner! ;)

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[quote=Missin21;557703]No emotion, too? First he's criticized for supposedly crying after the Dallas loss & now he's being accused of not having emotion either? :doh:


"Yes, can I have unreasonable arguments against the Washington Redskins starting QB for $1000, Alex?"

"Oh, it's today's Double Jeopardy answer: Sammy Baugh"

"Ummmmmmmmmmm............Who is the last QB that ACTUALLY lived up to Washington's expectations?"


DING DING DING DING! We have a winner! ;)[/quote]

LOL, I don't know if that's an indictment of the fans or the organization, but that was funny.

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[quote=Missin21;557703]No emotion, too? First he's criticized for supposedly crying after the Dallas loss & now he's being accused of not having emotion either? :doh:


"Yes, can I have unreasonable arguments against the Washington Redskins starting QB for $1000, Alex?"

"Oh, it's today's Double Jeopardy answer: Sammy Baugh"

"Ummmmmmmmmmm............Who is the last QB that ACTUALLY lived up to Washington's expectations?"


DING DING DING DING! We have a winner! ;)[/quote]

You forgot your wager. :)

Sometimes I wonder who the fans actually like in the team...
- They hate the FO and ownership
- They hate Jason Campbell
- Some hate Clinton Portis
- A ton hate Reed Doughty
- Some seem to hate Albert Haynesworth
- Some more hate DeAngelo Hall
- Others on the hate list: Ladell Betts, Rock Cartwright, Casey Rabach

I guess the only members of the Washington Redskins who are not hated are Cooley and Ethan Albright.

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[quote=GMScud;557704]LOL, I don't know if that's an indictment of the fans or the organization, but that was funny.[/quote]


Actually, it's a little bit of both. ;)

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[quote=Ruhskins;557706]You forgot your wager. :)

Sometimes I wonder who the fans actually like in the team...
- They hate the FO and ownership
- They hate Jason Campbell
- Some hate Clinton Portis
- A ton hate Reed Doughty
- Some seem to hate Albert Haynesworth
- Some more hate DeAngelo Hall
- Others on the hate list: Ladell Betts, Rock Cartwright, Casey Rabach

I guess the only members of the Washington Redskins who are not hated are Cooley and Ethan Albright.[/quote]


Nope. My UPS guy thinks Cooley is below average & would like to trade him away. :doh: For whom, I don't know, but he thinks Cooley is a waste. I had to stop talking to him.

It makes me wonder, with all this hate running around how these "haters" can call themselves fans of a team they hate so much? It's like hating alcohol while being a drunk. I just don't get that.

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Enough is enough!! As of now JC is our QB- we don't have an heir-apparent. The receivers and O-line must step up to help him to the next level. If we don't show him some love of course he"ll bolt.
Last year's numbers were not bad given his deteriorating o-line and receiver situation as the year progressed. We need to show him there's a promising future here.