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[quote=firstdown;558790]If I'm correct when he pucked in the SB they did not score and the game was over.[/quote]
Actually he was puking in the huddle according to the center(Hank Fraley)so Freddie Mitchell called one of the plays and two plays later he hit Greg Lewis in the endzone for a TD.

Also did it vs the Bucs and VT(in college).

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[quote=Giantone;558792]Yup , and we must remember we're talking about the Super Bowl ...if ya need a game to step up in....that's the one to do it!:)Eli's whole playoff run in 07 was great ,again I'll take that over the QB rating system any day.[/quote]

Ill admit he stepped up and managed the game well. He hit throws when he needed to and let his WRs and TEs make plays. Until the SB he didnt have any typical Eli passes that did or should have been INTed.

To say that Elis 2007 playoff run was great isnt accurate if you actually break down what he did in those games. Ill admit he played good in the Bucs wild card game. The Cowboy game he completed 12 passes and one of those 2 TDs was luck when Toomer got a easy TD down the sideline. Ill admit he played solid in the Packer game for the NFC Title. He really did nothing to win or lose that game. In the Super Bowl he did nothing that impressed me. If anything he did his hardest to lose that game for the Giants.

Eli played solid in the playoffs but to say he was great or he was the reason they won the Super Bowl is reaching imo. He threw 20 INTs that year in the regular season. The only thing Eli did was not take chances and play system ball.

If you want to go by 4 games in one year where he played solid but didnt carry his team on his back to win the SB and say because of those 4 games hes better than Tony Romo thats your opinion. I realize though most of the QBs in the NFL could of did what Eli did in those games. Alot of them would of played better.

As for the QB Rating being useless. I agree it is overrated. The stats I look at when measuring up QBs is Win %, TD-INT Ratio, and Passing Yards.

Lets look at Eli and Romo over the last 3 seasons....

Tony Romo
2006 11 Games 3,092 Yards 20-13 TD-INT 6-5 W-L .545%
2007 17 Games 4,412 Yards 36-20 TD-INT 13-4 W-L .764%
2008 13 Games 3,448 Yards 26-14 TD-INT 8-5 W-L .615%
Total 41 Games 10,952 Yards 82-47 TD-INT 27-14 W-L .658%

Eli Manning
2006 17 Games 3,405 Yards 26-19 TD-INT 8-9 W-L .470%
2007 20 Games 4,190 Yards 29-21 TD-INT 14-6 W-L .700%
2008 17 Games 3,407 Yards 21-11 TD-INT 12-5 W-L .705%
Total 54 Games 11,002 Yards 76-51 TD-INT 34-20 W-L .629%

So in 13 less games over the last 3 years Eli only has 50 more passing yards and 6 less TDs. When it comes to winning % even with the 4-0 2007 playoff run Tony Romo still has a higher winning % by .029.

So if you want to take a player based on 4 games in the 2007 playoffs go ahead. Ill take the guy who in 13 less games has better numbers and a higher winning %.

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[quote=pick-ups;558759]Like I said before about Eli and that final drive....he threw two passes that should've been INTs and was fortunate they weren't.

The Giants offense had amassed 3 points total going into the 4th quarter and if it wasn't for the extraordinary performance by the Giants defense(holding the Pats to 14pts/lowest all year)then what Eli does,doesn't really matter.

McNabb also threw for 357yds and 3 TDs along with those 3 INTs(the last one being a final heave with no time left).

The Eagles offense this season can be one of the best in the league,let alone the division.
They are stacked.[/quote]

Like I said, I think McNabb is better but don't act like Eli is chopped liver. He's a streaky passer, just like McNabb is. And lets also not forget how well Eli played the whole 07 playoff run.

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[quote=Giantone;558792]Yup , and we must remember we're talking about the Super Bowl ...if ya need a game to step up in....that's the one to do it!:)Eli's whole playoff run in 07 was great ,again I'll take that over the QB rating system any day.[/quote]

agreed. i just think eli is what he is. he's streaky.....he can suck ass for 3 quarters and then get hot when the time is right and win the game.

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[quote=Brian Orakpo;558811]Ill admit he stepped up and managed the game well. He hit throws when he needed to and let his WRs and TEs make plays. Until the SB he didnt have any typical Eli passes that did or should have been INTed.

To say that Elis 2007 playoff run was great isnt accurate if you actually break down what he did in those games. Ill admit he played good in the Bucs wild card game. The Cowboy game he completed 12 passes and one of those 2 TDs was luck when Toomer got a easy TD down the sideline. Ill admit he played solid in the Packer game for the NFC Title. He really did nothing to win or lose that game. In the Super Bowl he did nothing that impressed me. If anything he did his hardest to lose that game for the Giants.

Eli played solid in the playoffs but to say he was great or he was the reason they won the Super Bowl is reaching imo. He threw 20 INTs that year in the regular season. The only thing Eli did was not take chances and play system ball.

If you want to go by 4 games in one year where he played solid but didnt carry his team on his back to win the SB and say because of those 4 games hes better than Tony Romo thats your opinion. I realize though most of the QBs in the NFL could of did what Eli did in those games. Alot of them would of played better.

As for the QB Rating being useless. I agree it is overrated. The stats I look at when measuring up QBs is Win %, TD-INT Ratio, and Passing Yards.

Lets look at Eli and Romo over the last 3 seasons....

Tony Romo
2006 11 Games 3,092 Yards 20-13 TD-INT 6-5 W-L .545%
2007 17 Games 4,412 Yards 36-20 TD-INT 13-4 W-L .764%
2008 13 Games 3,448 Yards 26-14 TD-INT 8-5 W-L .615%
Total 41 Games 10,952 Yards 82-47 TD-INT 27-14 W-L .658%

Eli Manning
2006 17 Games 3,405 Yards 26-19 TD-INT 8-9 W-L .470%
2007 20 Games 4,190 Yards 29-21 TD-INT 14-6 W-L .700%
2008 17 Games 3,407 Yards 21-11 TD-INT 12-5 W-L .705%
Total 54 Games 11,002 Yards 76-51 TD-INT 34-20 W-L .629%

So in 13 less games over the last 3 years Eli only has 50 more passing yards and 6 less TDs. When it comes to winning % even with the 4-0 2007 playoff run Tony Romo still has a higher winning % by .029.

So if you want to take a player based on 4 games in the 2007 playoffs go ahead. Ill take the guy who in 13 less games has better numbers and a higher winning %.[/quote]

Who cares about all that winning % stuff. Eli is a Suber Bowl winning QB and that's the bottom line. Yes their defense had a lot to do with it but so what? He played great when his team needed him to and that's all that matters. Terry Bradshaw was never really a consistent passer. He was just great when he had to be. I'll take that guy over a guy who plays well during the season and chokes when it matters most.

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[quote=skinsfan69;558829]Who cares about all that winning % stuff. Eli is a Suber Bowl winning QB and that's the bottom line. Yes their defense had a lot to do with it but so what? He played great when his team needed him to and that's all that matters. Terry Bradshaw was never really a consistent passer. He was just great when he had to be. I'll take that guy over a guy who plays well during the season and chokes when it matters most.[/quote]

Who cares about all that winning % stuff? Hmm let me think. Oh snap. Winners do. :laughing2

All im saying is for someone to tell me Eli is better than Romo is funny. He isnt better than Romo in anything. Yes Eli is a Super Bowl winning QB but hey so is Trent Dilfer.

Comparing Terry Bradshaw to Eli Manning is kinda stupid. For starters comparing a QB who played in the 1970s to a QB who plays in this era is laughable. Second, I realize Bradshaw might be overrated to a extent but hes a HOFer. Eli wont sniff the HOF unless hes brown nosing his brothers greatness.

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[quote=Giantone;558684]Ok, I'll go over it one more time ,my opinions on these picks is based on last year since this year hasn't been played yet.As for Haynsworth ...who knows if he'll be any good in the NFC East or not ...he'll be going against much better O lines.As for Cooley ...I already said he's a great TE but Boss did play better last year less fumbles and better blocking.[/quote]

How did Boss play better? Cooley's blocking was actually better last year than it's been his entire career. I don't get what you think you know on that one.

And you bring up fumbles... Well, Cooley had 50 more catches than Boss last year. So in 83 catches Cooley had 3 fumbles. That means 97% of the time he touched the ball in '08 he didn't fumble. What a horrible thing.

Boss isn't even close to the offensive weapon Chris Cooley is, and his numbers reflect as much. To use a stat in Boss' favor that directly involves touching the football is just silly. Cooley is his daddy. Wake up.

And as far as D-line goes, why do we have to exclude Haynesworth when talking about the Skins? He's a proven stud and he's on our team now. I'm sure Canty crossed your mind when thinking about the Giants D-line. This thread isn't asking us to rank last year's production. You can find those stats on NFL.com.

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[quote=skinsfan69;558826]Like I said, I think McNabb is better but don't act like Eli is chopped liver. He's a streaky passer, just like McNabb is.[/quote]

When someone calls a QB a streaky passer I have always found that to be a bad thing. Saying McNabb is a streaky passer is kinda perplexing when he has a 82-45-1 career record and has a 194-90 TD-INT ratio in the regular season. McNabb has also led his team to 5 conference championship games and one Super Bowl appearance.

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[quote=GMScud;558848]How did Boss play better? Cooley's blocking was actually better last year than it's been his entire career. I don't get what you think you know on that one.

And you bring up fumbles... Well, Cooley had 50 more catches than Boss last year. So in 83 catches Cooley had 3 fumbles. That means 97% of the time he touched the ball in '08 he didn't fumble. What a horrible thing.

Boss isn't even close to the offensive weapon Chris Cooley is, and his numbers reflect as much. To use a stat in Boss' favor that directly involves touching the football is just silly. [B]Cooley is his daddy[/B]. Wake up.

And as far as D-line goes, why do we have to exclude Haynesworth when talking about the Skins? He's a proven stud and he's on our team now. I'm sure Canty crossed your mind when thinking about the Giants D-line. This thread isn't asking us to rank last year's production. You can find those stats on NFL.com.[/quote]
:laughing2 There is NO comparison. Cooley wins hands down. This may be the funniest thing Giantone has come up with yet.

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[quote=WaldSkins;558670]Id like Randle El to produce where ever he ends up on the field. But, I think El lacks the ability to go up, get the ball and come down with it. He's not physical enough to play as a number two but with all the back stepping and jukeing he likes to do on punts returns he'd be perfect to run those shorter routes as a number 3 slot receiver.[/quote]

I agree I think ARE is better to play in the slot. I hope we will use ARE in a wild kat formation in the redzone or maybe short yardage. His ablity to pass the ball can open our offense up and give teams defenses more to prepare for.

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[quote=skins89moss;558864]I agree I think ARE is better to play in the slot. I hope we will use ARE in a wild kat formation in the redzone or maybe short yardage. His ablity to pass the ball can open our offense up and give teams defenses more to prepare for.[/quote]

I have no problem with giving Randle El a pass every now and then. I hope we dont run the Wildcat though because imo its way overrated and really makes the NFL look retarded. Ive read a couple times that Zorn doesnt like the Wildcat and im oh so happy. The Wildcat had its brief moment in the sun but in all honesty those plays are something any defense should stop. Looking at the stats week by week last year defenses chewed it up as the year went on. If im a defensive coordinator please put your RB or WR at QB as many times as possible. Any offense that doesnt put the ball in the QBs hands every snap to either hand it off or make a play with his arm makes little sense to me.

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we have one of the top slot reciever in the game in Randle el and we miss use him. I hope we finally start using all the talent we have the right way

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[quote=Brian Orakpo;558843]Who cares about all that winning % stuff? Hmm let me think. Oh snap. Winners do. :laughing2

[B]All im saying is for someone to tell me Eli is better than Romo is funny[/B]. He isnt better than Romo in anything. Yes Eli is a Super Bowl winning QB but hey so is Trent Dilfer.

Comparing Terry Bradshaw to Eli Manning is kinda stupid. For starters comparing a QB who played in the 1970s to a QB who plays in this era is laughable. Second, I realize Bradshaw might be overrated to a extent but hes a HOFer. Eli wont sniff the HOF unless hes brown nosing his brothers greatness.[/quote]

I never said Eli was better. I just think when his team needed him to play his best he did. Overall I think Romo is a more talented player.

And I wasn't comparing Manning to Bradshaw, I just used Bradshaw as an example that he was never really a great passer, he was just great when his team really needed him to be. But I never compared the two.

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[quote=Brian Orakpo;558850]When someone calls a QB a streaky passer I have always found that to be a bad thing. Saying McNabb is a streaky passer is kinda perplexing when he has a 82-45-1 career record and has a 194-90 TD-INT ratio in the regular season. McNabb has also led his team to 5 conference championship games and one Super Bowl appearance.[/quote]

I think McNabb is one of the top QB's in the NFL. I also think when it comes to passing he's streaky. He's hot and cold. I think most would agree w/ that statement. I don't think that's a bad thing. I think he's always been that way as a pure passer.

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[quote=skinsfan69;558908]I never said Eli was better. I just think when his team needed him to play his best he did. Overall I think Romo is a more talented player.

And I wasn't comparing Manning to Bradshaw, I just used Bradshaw as an example that he was never really a great passer, he was just great when his team really needed him to be. But I never compared the two.[/quote]

I know you didnt. The post you quoted was the one I was using to compare Eli and Romo to another poster. I was just referring to why I brought out those stats.

As for Bradshaw I agree he may of never been a great passer so I understand why you brought him up to compare. I just didnt think it was the best comparison since Bradshaw really stepped up in big games and Eli overall hasnt. Yes Eli had a solid 2007 playoff run and won the Super Bowl with the Giants. I just think besides the wild card game against the Bucs he really didnt do anything great except play a safer game. Even then if certain defenders caught his wild throws the Giants wouldnt be world champs.

[quote=skinsfan69;558910]I think McNabb is one of the top QB's in the NFL. I also think when it comes to passing he's streaky. He's hot and cold. I think most would agree w/ that statement. I don't think that's a bad thing. I think he's always been that way as a pure passer.[/quote]

Maybe in some games he has been streaky. To a certain extent all QBs go through certain moments. I just think there is a difference between Elis "streaky" and McNabbs "streaky".

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[quote=Brian Orakpo;558924]I know you didnt. The post you quoted was the one I was using to compare Eli and Romo to another poster. I was just referring to why I brought out those stats.

As for Bradshaw I agree he may of never been a great passer so I understand why you brought him up to compare. I just didnt think it was the best comparison since Bradshaw really stepped up in big games and Eli overall hasnt. [b]Yes Eli had a solid 2007 playoff run and won the Super Bowl with the Giants. I just think besides the wild card game against the Bucs he really didnt do anything great except play a safer game. Even then if certain defenders caught his wild throws the Giants wouldnt be world champs.[/b][/quote]

Lets not forget that Eli has been one and done in 3 of his 4 attempts in the playoffs(twice at the hands of the Eagles).
The year before and after their SB run.
`05 vs Panthers 0-24
`06 vs Eagles 17-20
`08 vs Eagles 11-23

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[quote=skinsfan69;558910]I think McNabb is one of the top QB's in the NFL. I also think when it comes to passing he's streaky. He's hot and cold. I think most would agree w/ that statement. I don't think that's a bad thing. I think he's always been that way as a pure passer.[/quote]I think it's a bad thing if you are trying to point out the eliteness of his quarterbacking, but McNabb is a valuable player despite his streakiness.

As is Campbell, just to throw his name in there somehow.

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[quote=pick-ups;558981]Lets not forget that Eli has been one and done in 3 of his 4 attempts in the playoffs(twice at the hands of the Eagles).
The year before and after their SB run.
`05 vs Panthers 0-24
`06 vs Eagles 17-20
`08 vs Eagles 11-23[/quote]



yeah, and were has that gotten you? Like it or not Eli brought out the best in his team ,he's dealt with more problems then any other QB on the list.Remeber we still beat Carolina even after losing Plax,name me one other QB on the list that has an MVP of the Super Bowl ....and I'll shut up.:yeahright

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[quote=Giantone;559419]yeah, and were has that gotten you? Like it or not Eli brought out the best in his team ,he's dealt with more problems then any other QB on the list.Remeber we still beat Carolina even after losing Plax,[B]name me one other QB on the list that has an MVP of the Super Bowl[/B] ....and I'll shut up.:yeahright[/quote]

...ill go get his reservation for Canton. Im sure that one SB MVP Trophy will negate his 76.1 career QB rating. Because the way you keep hyping him up he must be Canton bound. :laughing2

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[quote=Brian Orakpo;559420]...ill go get his reservation for Canton. Im sure that one SB MVP Trophy will negate his 76.1 career QB rating. Because the way you keep hyping him up he must be Canton bound. :laughing2[/quote]

Never said one word about HOF, just pointing out facts that others tend to forget.McNabb maybe he will go to the HOF but he has no ring, and well as for Romo............LOL...sorry,Campbell is still young...and as I said I like the kid,just give him an O line.

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[quote=Giantone;559436]Never said one word about HOF, just pointing out [B]facts that others tend to forget[/B].McNabb maybe he will go to the HOF but he has no ring, and well as for Romo............LOL...sorry,Campbell is still young...and as I said I like the kid,just give him an O line.[/quote]

Dude everyone knows Eli won the Super Bowl MVP. This whole thread thats all you have brought up.

The Canton comment was a joke since you keep bringing up Eli and SB MVP every post.

Dude if you think hes that good (ahead of Romo) because of one SB MVP award you really need to stop watching football. Eli is average at best and his stats prove it over his career.

Id really like to know out of the projected 32 starting QBs where you rank Eli because if you think hes better than Romo id like to see who else you think hes better than because of one SB MVP.

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Dude if you think hes that good (ahead of Romo) because of one SB MVP award you really need to stop watching football. Eli is average at best and his stats prove it over his career

What has Romo done? I dont think either is a top 10 QB.

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;559511]Dude if you think hes that good (ahead of Romo) because of one SB MVP award you really need to stop watching football. Eli is average at best and his stats prove it over his career

What has Romo done? I dont think either is a top 10 QB.[/quote]

Im not saying Romo is great or anything. All im saying is one SB MVP award by Manning doesnt mean hes a better QB than Romo or anyone else who has way better numbers.

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[quote=Brian Orakpo;558453]Looking at the Redskins, Cowboys, Giants, and Eagles projected lineups as of today how would you rank these teams 1-4 position by position?

Heres my rankings....

[U]QB - 1. Eagles 2. Cowboys 3. Giants 4. Redskins[/U]
I still think McNabb is the best QB in the NFC East. Romo is too up and down to be rated ahead of McNabb but he is better than both Manning and Campbell. I gave Eli a slight edge over Campbell just because of his playoff experience and SB ring. I do think Campbell can move up on this list if he can play well in a contract year.

[U]RB - 1. Cowboys 2. Redskins 3. Eagles 4. Giants[/U]
Its really hard to rank the NFC East RBs. All four teams have talent and you could very easily put the Giants at #1. I put the Boys at the top because of their three headed monster of Barber, Jones, and Choice. I think the Cowboys will get back to the running game this year and it will be huge for them. I put the Skins at #2 because of Portis. When hes healthy and the offensive line shows a pulse hes probably one of the top 3 backs in the game. The combo of Westbrook and McCoy got the edge over Jacobs/Bradshaw/Andre Brown. I do think Andre Brown in a couple years will be a pretty good RB though.

[U]WR/TE - 1. Eagles 2. Cowboys 3. Redskins 4. Giants[/U]
The Eagles get the top spot here because I think their trio of WRs Jackson/Curits/Maclin will be very explosive this year. I also like Celek as a TE who can make some plays. I think hes better than most people think. I put the Cowboys at 2 over the Redskins because I think their WR core is a little better. They both have a nice pair of TEs Witten/Bennett and Cooley/Davis and solid #1s Moss and Roy Dub. I just believe the progression of Thomas and Kelly right now cant match the play of players like Patrick Crayton and Miles Austin. I have the Giants at 4 but in a couple years they will be #1. Young talent alone in the draft in Nicks, Barden, and Beckum should be huge for the Giants down the road. The problem with the Giants is their lack of a #1 WR.

[U]OL - 1. Eagles 2. Cowboys 3. Giants 4. Redskins[/U]
I love the additions the Eagles made to their offensive line this offseason adding Stacy Andrews and Jason Peters. The Cowboys have a very solid offensive line as do the Giants. I put the Skins at 4th just because of injuries that have occured yearly and the hole at RT.

[U]DL - 1. Giants 2. Redskins 3. Cowboys 4. Eagles[/U]
I give the edge to the Giants with all the talent on their line. Osi, Tuck, Canty, Kiwanuka, Robbins, Cofield, Bernard, and Alford. You could build two defensive lines and be effective with that talent. The Redskins finally upgraded their defensive line with the additions of Haynesworth and Orakpo. The Cowboys are also very solid with Ratliff in the middle and Spears/Igor at the two end spots. The Eagles are at 4 but they still have alot of talent and the #4 ranking doesnt do them justice.

[U]LB - 1. Cowboys 2. Giants 3. Redskins 4. Eagles[/U]
The Cowboys with Ware and Co. get the top spot. The Giants made some nice additions with Boley and Sintim. The Redskins have a hole at SLB but Fletcher is one of the top MLB in the game. The Eagles have solid LBs that do their job but I rate them 4th among LBs in the NFC East.

[U]DB - 1. Redskins 2. Eagles 3. Cowboys 4. Giants[/U]
The Redskins have a very good defensive backfield with Rogers, Hall, Smoot, Landry, and Horton. The Eagles have a nice trio of CBs in Samuel, Brown and Hobbs. They lost Dawkins but still have solid Ss in Mikell and Demps. The Cowboys improved alot with the additions of draft picks DeAngelo Smith and Mike Mickens (who was a steal) at CB and Sensabaugh at S. Add that to Newman, Jenkins, Scandrick, and Hamlin and the Cowboys have nice talent and depth in the defensive backfield. The Giants have a nice pair of CBs in Ross and Webster and a nice young S in Kenny Phillips but they are 4th on my list.

[U]SpT - 1. Cowboys 2. Giants 3. Eagles 4. Redskins [/U]
The Cowboys easily have the best SpT with players like Folk and McBriar. The Giants are solid with players like Tynes and Feagles. The Eagles could have found a nice kicker who could unseat Akers in Sam Swank. The Redskins are last with big question marks at kicker and returner.

[U]HC - 1. Eagles 2. Giants 3. Redskins 4. Cowboys [/U]
The Eagles and Giants both have very good coaches in Reid and Coughlin who get the most out of their players. The Skins and Boys both have coaches who are on the hot seat imo in Zorn and Phillips.

[U]OVERALL - 1. Eagles 2. Cowboys 3. Redskins 4. Giants[/U]
The Eagles up and down the board have enough talent to get to yet another NFC Championship Game. The Cowboys and Redskins both are teams who could make the playoffs. I think it will come down to QB play and coaching for them. The Giants have enough talent but I just see a couple question marks that might slow them down this year.[/quote]

Great analysis BO!

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[quote=diehard;559524]Great analysis BO![/quote]

Thanks dude. Im glad you enjoyed it. :food-smil

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This year it will show we're a better team on the field rather than on paper...

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[quote=diehard;559531]This year it will show we're a better team on the field rather than on paper...[/quote]

Yeah I think so too. It really all depends on Campbell though. I think the defense will be top 3 this year. If the offense can score 20 ppg this year we would be set.

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[quote=Brian Orakpo;559533]Yeah I think so too. It really all depends on Campbell though. I think the defense will be top 3 this year. If the offense can score 20 ppg this year we would be set.[/quote]
Wouldn't shock me at all.

I think with each team it'll come down to who's hot and avoids crucial injuries.

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[quote=Brian Orakpo;559523]Im not saying Romo is great or anything. All im saying is one SB MVP award by Manning doesnt mean hes a better QB than Romo or anyone else who has way better numbers.[/quote]

LOL,so what does it mean?Haters .....got to love em!:smashfrea

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[quote=Giantone;559538]LOL,so what does it mean?Haters .....got to love em!:smashfrea[/quote]

I've never been an Eli fan, but I have to say as far as the division goes, it's hard to be to critical of the only QB in the division with a SB win.

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[quote=Giantone;559538]LOL,so what does it mean?Haters .....got to love em!:smashfrea[/quote]

Haters? Dude I said earlier I was happy the Giants beat the Patriots. It was the greatest non-Redskin football game I have ever watched. I loved how the Giants whipped those Cheatriots asses.

Im just saying I dont think one SB run by Eli and the Giants means hes a better QB than Romo. I dont hate Eli im just stating my opinion. Romo the last three years has been better than Eli. I will give Eli some credit and say that he has closed the gap between them.

[quote=pick-ups;559537]Wouldn't shock me at all.

I think with each team it'll come down to who's hot and avoids crucial injuries.[/quote]

Yeah the NFC East once again should be fun to watch. All four teams have the talent to compete for the NFC East Title if things break right.

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[quote=Giantone;559538]LOL,so what does it mean?Haters .....got to love em!:smashfrea[/quote]It, uh, doesn't mean anything. It's a nice trivia fact to know if there's ever a game show that asks the question.

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[quote=GTripp0012;559552]It, uh, doesn't mean anything. It's a nice trivia fact to know if there's ever a game show that asks the question.[/quote]

I was responding to a point that people think Romo is better then Eli.................no.Oh and yeah it means something,there isn't one QB out there that wouldn't give his right arm(lol) for a SB MVP and a ring...........they would give every QB rating under the sun back .

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[quote=Brian Orakpo;559549]

Im just saying I dont think one SB run by Eli and the Giants means hes a better QB than Romo. I dont hate Eli im just stating my opinion. Romo the last three years has been better than Eli. I will give Eli some credit and say that he has closed the gap between them.


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Yes it does,isn't that what all this is about ...going to the Super bowl?A QB rating means squat,you might play in a bad climate and that effects your rating ...who knows,how many times did a WR or RB tip a ball in the air for an INT,maybe you ran a boat load.Romo had a great team all around him and when it matter he choked.I would say Marino or Tarkington would give back some of thier ratings ..or records for a ring.You don't think one super bowl run matters,well how many fans or players would love to have had the run Eli and that team had.QB ratings were something invented by fantasy football players.they mean nothing becuase at the end of the season it's wins and loss's.

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But if you threw Romo and Eli onto the same roster, most people would agree that this hypothetical team would be more likely to win games with Romo in than Eli. Thus, the conclusion is that Romo is better. That's just common sense.

I don't think many people are convinced that Romo is a top three QB, I don't even know if he's top five (Brees, Brady, Rivers, Peyton...and then who?), but clearly, he's more accomplished as a player than Eli is. EVERY SEASON Romo has ever played has been more productive than the very best season Eli has had. Eli got the one super bowl opportunity between the two of them, simply because the Giants are a better run organization than the Cowboys. Not because of inherent greatness. Chances are, if Accorsi had been there to build the Cowboys, post-Parcells, Romo would have a ring right now.

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[quote=Giantone;559566]Yes it does,isn't that what all this is about ...going to the Super bowl?A QB rating means squat,you might play in a bad climate and that effects your rating ...who knows,how many times did a WR or RB tip a ball in the air for an INT,maybe you ran a boat load.Romo had a great team all around him and when it matter he choked.I would say Marino or Tarkington would give back some of thier ratings ..or records for a ring.You don't think one super bowl run matters,well how many fans or players would love to have had the run Eli and that team had.QB ratings were something invented by fantasy football players.they mean nothing becuase at the end of the season it's wins and loss's.[/quote]

Yes a SB Title is what its all about in the team aspect of things. Looking at both QBs over the last 3 years all im saying is Romo has played better. Just because Eli has a ring doesnt mean hes better than every QB that doesnt have one in the NFL right now. Thats not how anyone with common sense looks at QBs.

I cant rank Eli ahead of Romo looking at their career and recent numbers. A four game stretch in the playoffs doesnt overshadow both of their careers to date. When you say Marino or Tarkenton would give up their numbers for a ring it really does prove my point. Marino was probably the best pure passer to ever play the game but you want to knock him because he didnt win a ring? A Super Bowl ring is a team accomplishment. Just because someone has won one doesnt mean they are better than a QB with better numbers through his whole career.

Ive seen times when HOFs have said they would rather have a SB ring but ive seen other times where HOF's have said they would rather have the HOF ring.

Yes all players want to win the SB but whos career would you rather have Dan Marino's or Trent Dilfer's. I think any great player will say they wanted to win the SB but they probably arent going to give up why they were great to have a SB ring or SB MVP. They did everything they could to win one but realize its a team game. When you grow up as a kid its to be the best and guys like Dan Marino and Fran Tarkenton were right up there with the best that ever played the game.

The 2007 Giants had the best performance by a defense ever for one game imo in SB42 and somehow the Giants had to squeak out a 17-14 win. Even when the Giants did score Eli had little to do with it. Hell Boss set up the Tyree TD by taking a Eli pass and running most of the way. Then even though Eli did a nice job getting away from the Patriot rush he needed the greatest catch ever by a WR to setup the GW TD. A GW TD that probably shouldnt of happened since Eli should of been INTed twice and he fumbled once on that drive. I mean damn even the TD Burress caught was easy. All Eli had to do was chuck the ball up over a out of position CB.

I really think you are overhyping Elis impact on that SB team and overhyping the impact that SB win means to his talent as a QB. Hell if all you got to do to be a great QB is ride your teams coattails to a SB then Trent Dilfer was alot better than most people thought also.

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[quote=Brian Orakpo;559626]Yes a SB Title is what its all about in the team aspect of things. Looking at both QBs over the last 3 years all im saying is Romo has played better. Just because Eli has a ring doesnt mean hes better than every QB that doesnt have one in the NFL right now. Thats not how anyone with common sense looks at QBs.

I cant rank Eli ahead of Romo looking at their career and recent numbers. A four game stretch in the playoffs doesnt overshadow both of their careers to date. When you say Marino or Tarkenton would give up their numbers for a ring it really does prove my point. Marino was probably the best pure passer to ever play the game but you want to knock him because he didnt win a ring? A Super Bowl ring is a team accomplishment. Just because someone has won one doesnt mean they are better than a QB with better numbers through his whole career.

Ive seen times when HOFs have said they would rather have a SB ring but ive seen other times where HOF's have said they would rather have the HOF ring.

Yes all players want to win the SB but whos career would you rather have Dan Marino's or Trent Dilfer's. I think any great player will say they wanted to win the SB but they probably arent going to give up why they were great to have a SB ring or SB MVP. They did everything they could to win one but realize its a team game. When you grow up as a kid its to be the best and guys like Dan Marino and Fran Tarkenton were right up there with the best that ever played the game.

The 2007 Giants had the best performance by a defense ever for one game imo in SB42 and somehow the Giants had to squeak out a 17-14 win. Even when the Giants did score Eli had little to do with it. Hell Boss set up the Tyree TD by taking a Eli pass and running most of the way. Then even though Eli did a nice job getting away from the Patriot rush he needed the greatest catch ever by a WR to setup the GW TD. A GW TD that probably shouldnt of happened since Eli should of been INTed twice and he fumbled once on that drive. I mean damn even the TD Burress caught was easy. All Eli had to do was chuck the ball up over a out of position CB.

I really think you are overhyping Elis impact on that SB team and overhyping the impact that SB win means to his talent as a QB. Hell if all you got to do to be a great QB is ride your teams coattails to a SB then Trent Dilfer was alot better than most people thought also.[/quote]

Wow...,all Eli had to do was chuck the ball up?The QB you like does that he's great Eli does it ...he's lucky,like I said haters.

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[quote=GTripp0012;559572]But if you threw Romo and Eli onto the same roster, most people would agree that this hypothetical team would be more likely to win games with Romo in than Eli. Thus, the conclusion is that Romo is better. That's just common sense.

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First lets remember ...were talking NFC East......not top 5 in the league.
No most people wouldn't agree,Romo has become a running joke ,for that matter so have the rest of the Cowboys.Common sense is to go with whoever gives you the best chance to winand that is Eli not Romo.

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[quote=Giantone;559744]Wow...,all Eli had to do was chuck the ball up?The QB you like does that he's great Eli does it ...he's lucky,like I said haters.[/quote]

Dude im not a hater. Ill just stop posting in this thread because you are bringing up no facts except that Eli won SB MVP. If you think that makes him a great QB and better than QBs with better numbers yearly so be it.

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[quote=Brian Orakpo;559752]Dude im not a hater. Ill just stop posting in this thread because you are bringing up no facts except that Eli won SB MVP. If you think that makes him a great QB and better than QBs with better numbers yearly so be it.[/quote]
Well I'll say,I do not like Eli nor do I respect him as he was drafted #1 overall due to his last name(Peyton is the only one worth mentioning)and in that draft I'd take Rivers or Roethlisberger over him in an instant without a hesitation.

Eli is entering his first season w/o Plax or any resemblance of a #1 WR and I cannot wait to see the true Eli come out.

Eli is 0-2 vs the Eagles in the playoffs and thats all I need to see.