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[quote=Brian Orakpo;559724]In any 4-3 Ellis would be a better fit as a DE since thats where he played when Dallas ran a 4-3.

[QUOTE][QUOTE][/quote]I still think he could fit as a LB though. Hell if Orakpo is going to play LB and hes a DE why not Ellis? Id rather have Orakpo at DE and Ellis at LB.[/QUOTE]

If he comes to Washington he wouldnt have to play SLB imo. He could play WLB and move Rocky to SLB.[/QUOTE]

I think Orakpo is more athletic so he can pull it off, Ellis on the other hand is older and i just cant see him keeping up with guys in coverage.

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;559745]I think Orakpo is more athletic so he can pull it off, Ellis on the other hand is older and i just cant see him keeping up with guys in coverage.[/quote]

I also think Orakpo can pull it off. I guess I just really want him as a 3 down DE. Id have Ellis as the WLB so he could blitz more and move Rocky to SLB so he can cover the TE.

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if you don't think you can do it, who else would?

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Sounds like Marcus is having a productive offseason.

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/jason-la-canfora/marcus-washington-update.html?wprss=redskinsinsider]Redskins Insider - Marcus Washington Still Looking for a Team[/url]

Re: I think this might be our answer for OLB...
 

[quote=GMScud;560264]Sounds like Marcus is having a productive offseason.

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/jason-la-canfora/marcus-washington-update.html?wprss=redskinsinsider]Redskins Insider - Marcus Washington Still Looking for a Team[/url][/quote]

From the Redskin Insider link....

[quote]The Redskins have since signed a few linebackers, moved end Chris Wilson to linebacker and drafted hybrid linebacker Brian Orakpo, so the chances of any need or want on their end at this point are essentially nonexistent.[/quote]

I find it hard to believe if Marcus Washington's agent called the Skins and said he would sign a vet min deal that we wouldnt at least give him a shot in camp. I like Chris Wilson at OLB but its still a question mark at this point and Orakpo was drafted to be a DE not to be played out of position.

Id give Marcus one last shot to stay healthy and make some plays. If only so we can move Orakpo back to DE.

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[quote=GMScud;560264]Sounds like Marcus is having a productive offseason.

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/jason-la-canfora/marcus-washington-update.html?wprss=redskinsinsider]Redskins Insider - Marcus Washington Still Looking for a Team[/url][/quote]

He'll be back with somebody, and probably be in better shape than he's been in awhile. I wish him the best and hope he doesn't sign with a NFC East rival. I'm still holding out hope but I don't think he even wants to sign with us. Thanks for the post GMScud, that's the first news I've heard in awhile.

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[quote=Brian Orakpo;559750]I also think Orakpo can pull it off. I guess I just really want him as a 3 down DE. Id have Ellis as the WLB so he could blitz more and move Rocky to SLB so he can cover the TE.[/quote]

#1. Ellis is more of a DE as you said.

#2. His old butt would probably have trouble keeping up with the TE's as a SLB.

#3. Simply to make that side difficult for offenses to deal with I would put Ellis at DE and Orakpo at SLB. Orakpo is a lot younger and probably faster to chase down the TE's if need be and yet still be apart of a Blitz on that side if needed.

#4. I would not trade for him. Wait it out. I'm betting other teams are waiting for him to be let go. Then give him decent money for a 1 or 2 yr deal. Hopefully by then we would have his replacement.

Re: I think this might be our answer for OLB...
 

I could see Orakpo playin like a D. Thomas -RIP- role. He was a very good OLB and a GREAT passrusher. RAK has that kind of talent although im not sayin he is the next D Thomas. just an example.

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[quote=SBXVII;560283]#1. Ellis is more of a DE as you said.

#2. His old butt would probably have trouble keeping up with the TE's as a SLB.

#3. Simply to make that side difficult for offenses to deal with I would put Ellis at DE and Orakpo at SLB. Orakpo is a lot younger and probably faster to chase down the TE's if need be and yet still be apart of a Blitz on that side if needed.

#4. I would not trade for him. Wait it out. I'm betting other teams are waiting for him to be let go. Then give him decent money for a 1 or 2 yr deal. Hopefully by then we would have his replacement.[/quote]

Yep he is more of a defensive end in a 4-3. Id give him a shot at OLB though if the price is right.

If I placed him at LB id move him to WLB not SLB. Where he could make more plays at the QB.

Thats a good idea. I just really want Orakpo playing DE. :)

I wouldnt trade for him either. I honestly dont think any team would. Id give him a 1 or 2 year deal also.

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Don't try to teach an old dog new tricks. He's getting up there in age. Sign him, don't trade for him. He plays LE on 1st and 2nd downs. And 3rd downs for running plays. Slide Orakpo onto the line as needed.

They wouldn't convert him from a defensive end at his age, and with his skill set. Let's be realistic.

And to be honest, i don't even see that we need him.

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[quote=Monksdown;560309]
They wouldn't convert him from a defensive end at his age, and with his skill set. Let's be realistic. [/quote]

If he had 20.5 sacks going after the QB standing up in a 3-4 I think if we moved him to OLB in a 4-3 and let him go after the QB like we were planning to do with Orakpo it could work. Instead of placing him at SLB id place him at WLB though. Its easier to get sacks at OLB in a 3-4 because you are pretty much a stand up DE but if the Skins used Ellis as a pass rushing LB at the WLB I think it could actually work.

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[quote=Brian Orakpo;560314]If he had 20.5 sacks going after the QB standing up in a 3-4 I think if we moved him to OLB in a 4-3 and let him go after the QB like we were planning to do with Orakpo it could work. Instead of placing him at SLB id place him at WLB though. Its easier to get sacks at OLB in a 3-4 because you are pretty much a stand up DE but if the Skins used Ellis as a pass rushing LB at the WLB I think it could actually work.[/quote]

I don't know that moving Rocky from weak side to accomodate a player we're going to have for 2 seasons max is advisable. IMO.

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[quote=Monksdown;560317]I don't know that moving Rocky from weak side to accomodate a player we're going to have for 2 seasons max is advisable. IMO.[/quote]

You could be right. I think if we did get Ellis that would be the best way to improve our defense.

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I think we should just let the two rookies, Fincher, Wilson and Blades play and the best combination should be out there during the season. No need for a top name LB, with shutdown corners and the defensive line we have, we are fine at LB. Just think a few years ago, we had Lemar Marshall and he wasn't stellar, but did a good job. Ellis sounds like another Trotter or Armstead, do you really want that?

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[quote=DIRTEE;560343]I think we should just let the two rookies, Fincher, Wilson and Blades play and the best combination should be out there during the season. No need for a top name LB, with shutdown corners and the defensive line we have, we are fine at LB. Just think a few years ago, we had Lemar Marshall and he wasn't stellar, but did a good job. Ellis sounds like another Trotter or Armstead, do you really want that?[/quote]

The best option for the team imo is to start Chris Wilson at LB and move Orakpo back to DE on 1st and 2nd downs. Id like to see what Chris Wilson can do at OLB since he has talent and we are stacked at DE.

I wouldnt mind Ellis or Washington coming here if the price is right.

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I think on this topic im just going to put faith in the coaches to make the right call. We arent at the workouts and we dont get to see these guys go through the drills. My guess is if we move RAK to SLB that means Daniels is impressing at the DE spot with his new strength he talked about.

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;560350]I think on this topic im just going to put faith in the coaches to make the right call. We arent at the workouts and we dont get to see these guys go through the drills. My guess is if we move RAK to SLB that means Daniels is impressing at the DE spot with his new strength he talked about.[/quote]

I think it comes down to the fact that this team likes run stopping LDEs. While Orakpo brings more of a pass rush on every down Daniels is a pretty good run stopper.

I honestly dont like the idea of Daniels at LDE because while you need a guy who can stop the run you also want a DE who can put pressure on QBs. I dont think Daniels can do that when teams pass on 1st and 2nd down.

The team probably does have the best lineup with Daniels at LDE and Orakpo at OLB (with him rushing from DE on 3rd downs) on paper. If this is how its going to be during the season hopefully the coaching staff is right. I would just like to have two DEs on all three downs that I know can get to the QB on a regular basis. I have more faith in Orakpo/Carter than Daniels/Carter.

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[quote=Brian Orakpo;560348]The best option for the team imo is to start Chris Wilson at LB[/quote]

Oh boy...thats a major leap of faith...to be honest....I think the reason they are trying Orapko at LB is to see if they dont need Wilson anymore.

Truth is, Wilson is a servicable Pass rushing DE specialist...nothing more.
It will be a shame to lose him...ideally we can trade him for something...maybe a 6th rounder....maybe the Skins are trying to showcase him.

I personally would prefer to keep 3 DE's with pass rushing skills...Wilson is one of them.

I really dont see Wilson working out as a LB...and certainly not any better than the 6th LB.

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[quote=skinsnut;560368]Oh boy...thats a major leap of faith...to be honest....I think the reason they are trying Orapko at LB is to see if they dont need Wilson anymore.

Truth is, Wilson is a servicable Pass rushing DE specialist...nothing more.
It will be a shame to lose him...ideally we can trade him for something...maybe a 6th rounder....maybe the Skins are trying to showcase him.

I personally would prefer to keep 3 DE's with pass rushing skills...Wilson is one of them.

I really dont see Wilson working out as a LB...and certainly not any better than the 6th LB.[/quote]

That is a leap of faith. I also realize hes got talent as a pass rusher. Since we have alot of DEs on the roster right now id give Wilson all the chances in the world to fit as a OLB. Hes played the position before in high school, college, and in Canada. If he can adjust to OLB in the NFL it will make our defense that much more explosive. It would also get Orakpo at DE.

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We should not even think of giving Dallas a draft pick for Ellis. If he is released then lets talk to him and see what his price range is. As far as his postion he is more effective rushing the passer from the DE spot. He could be a upgrade over Wynn. If he doesnt work out In camp you dont lose a draft pick. NOOOO to a Trade or Draft pick.

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[quote=Brian Orakpo;560348]The best option for the team imo is to start Chris Wilson at LB and move Orakpo back to DE on 1st and 2nd downs. Id like to see what Chris Wilson can do at OLB since he has talent and we are stacked at DE.

I wouldnt mind Ellis or Washington coming here if the price is right.[/quote]

This is what I hope works out for them. I think the team is also but moving Orakpo around to explore their options.

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[quote=skinsnut;560368]Oh boy...thats a major leap of faith...to be honest....I think the reason they are trying Orapko at LB is to see if they dont need Wilson anymore.

Truth is, Wilson is a servicable Pass rushing DE specialist...nothing more.
It will be a shame to lose him...ideally we can trade him for something...maybe a 6th rounder....maybe the Skins are trying to showcase him.

I personally would prefer to keep 3 DE's with pass rushing skills...Wilson is one of them.

I really dont see Wilson working out as a LB...and certainly not any better than the 6th LB.[/quote]

It maybe a leap of faith, but with the D-line having been improved with AH who will command a double team and the majority of the D-line coming back who already know the system plus having a great DE such as Orakpo then Wilson would probably do extremely well. If he can keep up with TE's then he should do fine. Plus offer a decent pass rush with the D-line when needed.

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Brady popinga he might be cut by the packers cause they're switchng to a 3-4 D

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What about signing Leroy Hill from Seattle. He was franchised by the Seahawks for a good reason but once they drafted Aaron Curry they went into a different direction. Hill must have enough talent for a team to waste a franchise tag.

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[quote=JParis3420;560807]What about signing Leroy Hill from Seattle. He was franchised by the Seahawks for a good reason but once they drafted Aaron Curry they went into a different direction. Hill must have enough talent for a team to waste a franchise tag.[/quote]

[quote]LeRoy Hill-LB- Seahawks Apr. 30 - 8:16 pm et

Seahawks agreed to terms with LB LeRoy Hill on a six-year, $38 million contract. The deal includes $15.5 million guaranteed.

The Seahawks gambled when they lifted Hill's franchise tag after drafting Aaron Curry, but the tactic succeeded in getting Hill to sign a deal similar to the one he previously rejected. Still, after Curry signs his rookie contract in the $65 million range this will be one of the league's priciest LB trios. Offseason improvements on the line in front of them help, but linebackers are considered dependent players in the league, and Hill is undersizeed at just 6'1/238. It's hard to like this deal.
[/quote]

[url=http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=3304]LeRoy Hill[/url]

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[quote=SBXVII;560473]It maybe a leap of faith, but with the D-line having been improved with AH who will command a double team and the majority of the D-line coming back who already know the system plus having a great DE such as Orakpo then Wilson would probably do extremely well. If he can keep up with TE's then he should do fine. Plus offer a decent pass rush with the D-line when needed.[/quote]

I see your points about "hoping" Wilson can start at LB....but I am skeptical because he hasn't even played in the NFL as a backup yet...that is why I think it is totally unrealistic to think he will be our starter....Do I hope for it too? of course...just like I hope that fatty boom-ballaty will be our starter at RT day one after 3 years of eatting ho-hos.

Funny...some folks say that Vick can't play after 2 years out...but chubs can be our starter at RT after 3 years off and 100 lbs of flab build up...

Do I want it to work out in this "dream situation" for Wilson and Chubbs?...of course....but lets be realistic...the odds are like 80% against it....time to take off the rose colored glasses and look at reality.

We still need a quality starting 3rd LB....and we don't have one on the roster

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[quote=skinsnut;560818]Funny...some folks say that Vick can't play after 2 years out...but chubs can be our starter at RT after 3 years off and 100 lbs of flab build up...[/quote]I don't think it's the same people making both of these assumptions.

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please god no! I'm backkkk!

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Ellis was just released from the cowgirls
[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4224851]Greg Ellis released by Dallas Cowboys - ESPN[/url]

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Time to pick him up with a one or two yr contract. You can never have too much front seven and he would be the icing on the cake, imo. With all the versatility it would give us, we could really cause match-up nightmares.

Orakpo, him and AH providing the rush? Me likey.

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Doesn't Greg Ellis hate playing LB?

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wouldnt he work as a de as well. why be scared to dign him because he doesnt like lb? The guy can play with his hand in the ground and he could also be a decent lb in situations. I dont know if he is the answer a slb though, but maybe between rak and ellis they could make a solid lb de combo.

Re: I think this might be our answer for OLB... (Greg Ellis?)
 

Screw Ellis, we don't need anymore old ass legends in town, lets keep it young!

Re: I think this might be our answer for OLB... (Greg Ellis?)
 

id take him over wynn....dats for sure..

Re: I think this might be our answer for OLB... (Greg Ellis?)
 

I don't understand why anyone isn't interested. Isn't there a such thing as a 1 year contract? There is no such thing as too many good players. There is a gap in our SLB position and Ellis could tutor Rak. If he finishes his contract i think he's due a bit of money though. That may pose a problem. If we have the money i see little drawbacks.

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[quote=stu_nna;561276]I don't understand why anyone isn't interested. Isn't there a such thing as a 1 year contract? There is no such thing as too many good players. There is a gap in our SLB position and Ellis could tutor Rak. If he finishes his contract i think he's due a bit of money though. That may pose a problem. If we have the money i see little drawbacks.[/quote]

Take a look at the track record of the Ellis. The guy is always complaining. Do you think he wants to play for the minimum? All we would have going for us is he might want to stick it to the Cowboys.

Re: I think this might be our answer for OLB... (Greg Ellis?)
 

Some of you guys must be young. There is no picking up Cowboys. Period. George Allen would turn over in his grave. My how times have changed.

Re: I think this might be our answer for OLB... (Greg Ellis?)
 

I don't see the point in signing a 3-4 DE/LB who's on the wrong side of 30. I'd rather stick with what we've got and see what shakes out.

Re: I think this might be our answer for OLB... (Greg Ellis?)
 

[quote=skinsfan69;561283]Some of you guys must be young. There is no picking up Cowboys. Period. George Allen would turn over in his grave. My how times have changed.[/quote]

My feelings exactly, though a footnote to that would be Calvin Hill (I'm not counting the Norvell era when free agency had everything twisted).

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[quote=skinsfan69;561283]Some of you guys must be young. There is no picking up Cowboys. Period. George Allen would turn over in his grave. My how times have changed.[/quote]

But weren't you the same guy who was all about starting Demetric Evans? Technically, he was a Cowboy once as well.