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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1001721]I thought it was obvious that i was just making up numbers to prove a point, but i should have clarified.

Interestingly, i was on CNN in this morning and saw this:

[url=http://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2013/03/world/nuclear-weapon-states/?iid=article_sidebar]Nuclear weapons: Who has what?[/url]

Country / Estimated warheads
United States: 7,650
Russia: 8,420
United Kingdom: 225
France: 300
China: 240
India: 80-100
Pakistan: 90-110
North Korea: Fewer than 10
Israel: 80
Iran: 0

I was pretty shocked at how many active Nukes the US and Russia still had, and i didnt know France had any.[/quote]


:oink:
Sorry I get kinda anal when it comes to quoting military capabilities.

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Check this video of nuke blast testing history.

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9U8CZAKSsNA[/url]

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1001742]Check this video of nuke blast testing history.

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9U8CZAKSsNA[/url][/quote]

Not to bash the US but it really does point out the hypocrisy of the US no testing policy. Suppose your neighbor had a gun, and every day for 1 year tweaked it and test fired it, after a while you start feeling a little jealous/afraid/concerned/anxious and think, I will get a gun and do it too. Well by that time he has his gun pretty well polished, and sees you get a gun and fire a couple dummy rounds and says "hey those are dangerous, we need to limit how often you can test it". My guess is you would at least silently go tell him to do "nice things" with his gun and limits

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[url=http://edition.cnn.com/2013/04/01/world/asia/north-korea-defectors/index.html]North Korean defectors return rhetorical fire - CNN.com[/url]



Should watch this short documentary called "Inside North Korea". Very enlightening and creepy about their country. Empty hotels, restaurants, another places normally that would be filled with people.

(part 1)
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24R8JObNNQ4[/url]

(part 2)
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xw46Ll-Zy4s[/url]


(part 3)
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HJj85K_7MQ[/url]

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[url=http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/north-korea-leader-kim-jong-uns-98511]North Korea leader Kim Jong-un’s schooldays in Switzerland revealed - Mirror Online[/url]

A good read on Kim Jong Uns past in Switzerland.

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Adding to the good reads, this one is pretty brief but higlights some of the country's ridiculousness.

[url=http://www.smh.com.au/comment/north-korea-is-a-joke-thats-why-its-so-dangerous-20130401-2h2ih.html]North Korea is a joke. That’s why it’s so dangerous[/url]

[QUOTE]In official accounts, the birth of his successor, Kim Jong-il, was accompanied by the appearance of a double rainbow. This secretive boy with a bouffant was cast as the god of sport, among other things. When he played his first ever round of golf in 1994, he supposedly scored 11 holes-in-one; North Korea's football coach said that Jong-il guided the team during the 2010 World Cup with the help of an invisible phone - technology that the regime claimed the leader himself had invented.
[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]Confronting the US is a matter of personal honour, a fact underlined by an extraordinary order given that, should war occur, a priority must be protecting the nation's 35,000 statues of the Kims.

[/QUOTE]

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[url=http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/03/world/asia/guam-u-s-missiles/index.html]U.S. sending defensive missiles to Guam - CNN.com[/url]

Im sure China is thrilled about this.

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[quote=Chico23231;1001842][url=http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/03/world/asia/guam-u-s-missiles/index.html]U.S. sending defensive missiles to Guam - CNN.com[/url]

Im sure China is thrilled about this.[/quote]

China wont mind.
Those are purely a defensive tool.
And if they just deploy just a few batteries its more for show than anything.

[QUOTE=Alvin Walton;1001843]China wont mind.
Those are purely a defensive tool.
And if they just deploy just a few batteries its more for show than anything.[/QUOTE]

the american military has spoken.

of course China minds more advanced military hardware in its backyard. and as much as they hate the North Koreans they sure don't want a US backed South Korea on its border.

if interested here is a link to the North Korean news outlet. I certainly have not studied the past blusters of North Korea, but some of these news releases sound pretty damn serious to me. You can see how they are portraying everything to their citizens, who can't go to the internet and compare or see opposing views. I would imagine the conservatives of North Korea are saying they need to strike out before the US and SK puppet military try to destroy their society.
[url]www.kcna.kp[/url]

edit. I copied the link from the english version, but it goes to the korean language version. there is a link for the english translation though.

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Guam is a long way from mainland China.
Thats about the same distance from kansas City to Los Angeles so I wouldnt call that Chinas back yard and since Guam is American soverign territory China can kiss my lily white a$$ regarding what we have there.
And I doubt the Patriots bother them much considering our missle subs,
B-52s and aircraft carrier battle groups have been stationed/frequenting there for a long time.
And if this is just a token amount of missle batteries then I suspect its just a show of resolve and not really much of a weapons deployment.

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[url=http://news.yahoo.com/skorea-north-korea-moved-missile-east-coast-062418562.html]SKorea: North Korea moved missile to east coast[/url]

Every move we make bothers China, They have long considered east Asia and the Pacific their territory, and us interlopers. If the Chinese were to start patrolling in international waters about 1000 miles off the Los Angeles coast with a sea borne missile defense array, you would be ok with that?

Would you be ok with them trying to develop a sea borne missile defense array at all?

Again the hypocrisy and arrogance of the US military is amazing. Any other country tries to do half the things we do, and we would be hearing how aggressive and bellicose they are.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1001896][url=http://news.yahoo.com/skorea-north-korea-moved-missile-east-coast-062418562.html]SKorea: North Korea moved missile to east coast[/url]

Every move we make bothers China, They have long considered east Asia and the Pacific their territory, and us interlopers. If the Chinese were to start patrolling in international waters about 1000 miles off the Los Angeles coast with a sea borne missile defense array, you would be ok with that?

Would you be ok with them trying to develop a sea borne missile defense array at all?

Again the hypocrisy and arrogance of the US military is amazing. Any other country tries to do half the things we do, and we would be hearing how aggressive and bellicose they are.[/quote]

Why would their ability to defend themselves against incoming missles be alarming?
I would believe that most of their ships already have some kind of CWIS capablity anyways.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1001916]Why would their ability to defend themselves against incoming missles be alarming?
I would believe that most of their ships already have some kind of CWIS capablity anyways.[/quote]

In China's shoes:

Guam is a launching base for US aircraft, and naval vessels. If they felt we were an aggressive opponent, they could see defending those assets as a threat to their ability to defend themselves. Just as in football, a good defense enables an offense to be more aggressive.

My main point is you are looking at it from a skewed view that pre-supposes the US to be a gentle giant, but much of the world looks at us as a heavy handed military power, and any additional military hardware or expertise is going to be considered at some level as a threat.

Outside of the Chinese theater, look at the anti missile batteries we had proposed in eastern europe to protect against iranian threats. The russians didn't accept those, and put a lot of pressure on the us to change their locations. Why? What was their rationale? Because us having that ability to stop incoming threats enabled us to launch a strike in such a way that their first wave defense wouldn't then carry out an effective retaliation.

China clearly has wargame scenarios, as we do, where their first goal would be to reduce our effectiveness in the Pacific theater, which would, I imagine, taking out our Guam base. A missile defense system there forces them to account for that and target it more heavily.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1001896][url=http://news.yahoo.com/skorea-north-korea-moved-missile-east-coast-062418562.html]SKorea: North Korea moved missile to east coast[/url]

Every move we make bothers China, They have long considered east Asia and the Pacific their territory, and us interlopers. If the Chinese were to start patrolling in international waters about 1000 miles off the Los Angeles coast with a sea borne missile defense array, you would be ok with that?

Would you be ok with them trying to develop a sea borne missile defense array at all?

Again the hypocrisy and arrogance of the US military is amazing. Any other country tries to do half the things we do, and we would be hearing how aggressive and bellicose they are.[/quote]

I do agree with your point in some ways. If i were a non-nuclear country, i would probably have the same attitude as North Korea and Iran. "Wait a second. You've got a bazillion nukes you use to defend your country.... but youre going to tell me i cant do the same to defend mine? F*ck you!"

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1001923]In China's shoes:

Guam is a launching base for US aircraft, and naval vessels. If they felt we were an aggressive opponent, they could see defending those assets as a threat to their ability to defend themselves. Just as in football, a good defense enables an offense to be more aggressive.

My main point is you are looking at it from a skewed view that pre-supposes the US to be a gentle giant, but much of the world looks at us as a heavy handed military power, and any additional military hardware or expertise is going to be considered at some level as a threat.

Outside of the Chinese theater, look at the anti missile batteries we had proposed in eastern europe to protect against iranian threats. The russians didn't accept those, and put a lot of pressure on the us to change their locations. Why? What was their rationale? Because us having that ability to stop incoming threats enabled us to launch a strike in such a way that their first wave defense wouldn't then carry out an effective retaliation.

China clearly has wargame scenarios, as we do, where their first goal would be to reduce our effectiveness in the Pacific theater, which would, I imagine, taking out our Guam base. A missile defense system there forces them to account for that and target it more heavily.[/quote]

Whatever...you're kinda all over the place in that repsonse.
Anyways, I wouldnt get too wound up what the Chinese think about Guam considering we can park equipment in Japan, South Korea and Taiwan which are a lot closer to China.
And there will be no conflict between us and China, not in my lifetime anyways. They have no blue water navy and they are not going to attack their cash cow and biggest debt holder.
Guam is only relevant right now because the media keeps mentioning it.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1001924]I do agree with your point in some ways. If i were a non-nuclear country, i would probably have the same attitude as North Korea and Iran. "Wait a second. You've got a bazillion nukes you use to defend your country.... but youre going to tell me i cant do the same to defend mine? F*ck you!"[/quote]

Last I checked my govt does not publish daily threats of mass destruction and create videos of burning/nuked (insert a capitol of a country here) and a nuclear blasted Israel.
NK and Iran are rogues states in every sense of the word.
These idiots with their nukes are like emo 16 year olds that found their daddys loaded pistol.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1001935]Last I checked my govt does not publish daily threats of mass destruction and create videos of burning/nuked (insert a capitol of a country here) and a nuclear blasted Israel.
NK and Iran are rogues states in every sense of the word.
These idiots with their nukes are like emo 16 year olds that found their daddys loaded pistol.[/quote]

we don't need to make videos, we've actually attacked another country with them.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1001953]we don't need to make videos, we've actually attacked another country with them.[/quote]

Gee... I wonder why??

[url]http://i.imgur.com/hNTGgd0.gif[/url]

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1001953]we don't need to make videos, we've actually attacked another country with them.[/quote]

You need to get your facts correct. They attacked us and we just responded.

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[quote=firstdown;1001962]You need to get your facts correct. They attacked us and we just responded.[/quote]

Bazinga!

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[quote=firstdown;1001962]You need to get your facts correct. They attacked us and we just responded.[/quote]

My facts are right, we attacked Japan with nuclear weapons. That's a fact. You want to spin semantics on the word attack go ahead, but no other sovereign nation has used nuclear weapons in a hostile act against another sovereign nation except the US. And we happen to have the largest military budget in the world.

More on the semantics: The word attack is defined as:
"to set upon with violent force" [url=http://www.thefreedictionary.com/attack]attack - definition of attack by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.[/url], verb tr. definition 1

I think dropping nuclear bombs on an industrial city constitutes an attack. period.

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As FD said [I]responded [/I]is a far more appropriate word than attack.

And they were begging for it......it was justified and a much better alternative to invasion.

You make it sound like we snuck up on them and whacked them from behind while they were innocently arranging flowers.
Thats not what happened.
They kicked us in the balls when we werent looking and we responded by beating the tar out of them.

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[quote=firstdown;1001962]You need to get your facts correct. They attacked us and [B]we just responded[/B].[/quote]

By attacking them with nuclear weapons.

Lets do a quick head count, will all other nations who have actually used nuclear weapons against another country please stand up.

Anyone? anyone??

Don't get me wrong. I absolutely condone the use of nuclear weapons on Japan in WWII. Both times. And, yes, the attack was in response to an initial attack upon us and a means to conclude an ongoing war.

But ... we used nuclear weapons against another country to attack their homeland and are still the only country in the world to do so.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1001977]But ... we used nuclear weapons against another country to attack their homeland and are still the only country in the world to do so.[/quote]

So you agree it works as a deterrent?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1001967]My facts are right, we attacked Japan with nuclear weapons. That's a fact. You want to spin semantics on the word attack go ahead, but no other sovereign nation has used nuclear weapons in a hostile act against another sovereign nation except the US. And we happen to have the largest military budget in the world.

More on the semantics: The word attack is defined as:
"to set upon with violent force" [url=http://www.thefreedictionary.com/attack]attack - definition of attack by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.[/url], verb tr. definition 1

I think dropping nuclear bombs on an industrial city constitutes an attack. period.[/quote]

You're so pedantic. (Pithy enough for you?)

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[quote=RedskinRat;1001979]So you agree it works as a deterrent?[/quote]

Absolutely. The US has shown it will use nuclear weapons. I believe it would still be willing to do so. More importantly, I think other countries believe we are willing to do so.

We have the biggest stick in the world and are willing to use it.

Now, flip sides (as CRed suggests):
You and your another guy in your neighborhood (let's call him Sam) don't particularly like each other. Sam's the wealthiest guy in town and has, for all intents and purposes, access to an ulimited personal arsenal. Sam's generally been seen as a good guy in the community, but he is best friends with someone you hate and you & Sam have exchanged some testy words over a variety of issues. Your are also competing with Sam in business.

After a particularly testy exchange with Sam's friend, Sam has parked his armed-to-the-teeth tank next to your driveway - off your property, but pretty much right next to it - points the gun at your front door, and has it manned with his friends and family at all times. BTW, in the past, another neighbor blatantly attacked Sam (everyone agrees Sam was the victim) and Sam went and, using a similar tank, blasted the neighbor's house to smithereens.

Did I mention the tank was huge. Oh, BTW, there is no police force in your neighborhood. To the extent, In fact, your guy out there, generally bankrolls the only (albeit generally ineffective) police force.

So, Mr. I-Can-Own-Whatever-Damn-Weapon-I-Want-To-Effectively-Deal-With-Any-Threat-Posed-To-Me (a position with which I generally don't disagree), isn't conceivable you just might be a bit nervous by that turn of events?

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1001957]Gee... I wonder why??[/quote]

I understand the logic and rationale of the US strikes on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. I actually agree with the rationale.

But how does that change the fact that we don't need to make video threats, or bellicose statements, because when we fly a B-2 6000 miles, we have already demonstrated that, as a country, we will use nuclear weapons if we feel that it will enhance our national security.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1001986]I understand the logic and rationale of the US strikes on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. I actually agree with the rationale.

But how does that change the fact that we don't need to make video threats, or bellicose statements, because when we fly a B-2 6000 miles, we have already demonstrated that, as a country, we will use nuclear weapons if we feel that it will enhance our national security.[/quote]

We demonstrated it[SIZE="6"] 68 [/SIZE]years ago.
And have threatened no one with a nuclear strike since then.
Bleeding hearts like to bleat about it often and make it sound like it happened recently.
North Korea and Iran are threatening to nuke people with speeches and videos [SIZE="6"]today.[/SIZE]

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1001985]Absolutely. The US has shown it will use nuclear weapons. I believe it would still be willing to do so. More importantly, I think other countries believe we are willing to do so.

We have the biggest stick in the world and are willing to use it.

Now, flip sides (as CRed suggests):
You and your another guy in your neighborhood (let's call him Sam) don't particularly like each other. Sam's the wealthiest guy in town and has, for all intents and purposes, access to an ulimited personal arsenal. Sam's generally been seen as a good guy in the community, but he is best friends with someone you hate and you & Sam have exchanged some testy words over a variety of issues. Your are also competing with Sam in business.

After a particularly testy exchange with Sam's friend, Sam has parked his armed-to-the-teeth tank next to your driveway - off your property, but pretty much right next to it - points the gun at your front door, and has it manned with his friends and family at all times. BTW, in the past, another neighbor blatantly attacked Sam (everyone agrees Sam was the victim) and Sam went and, using a similar tank, blasted the neighbor's house to smithereens.

Did I mention the tank was huge. Oh, BTW, there is no police force in your neighborhood. To the extent, In fact, your guy out there, generally bankrolls the only (albeit generally ineffective) police force.

So, Mr. I-Can-Own-Whatever-Damn-Weapon-I-Want-To-Effectively-Deal-With-Any-Threat-Posed-To-Me (a position with which I generally don't disagree), isn't conceivable you just might be a bit nervous by that turn of events?[/quote]

Yeah, like [B][I]I'm[/I][/B] perfectly innocent in all this......

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[url=http://www.euronews.com/2013/03/29/like-father-like-son-kim-jong-un-looking-at-things/]Like father, like son: Kim Jong-un looking at things | euronews, world news[/url]

Im really happy about this tradition. Good job Un!

If your not familar, this is a favorite site behind Tom Selleck Sandwich Waterfalls:

[url=http://kimjongillookingatthings.tumblr.com/]kim jong-il looking at things[/url]

This is something I really thought Il was good at, looking at things.

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[quote=RedskinRat;1001991]Yeah, like [B][I]I'm[/I][/B] perfectly innocent in all this......[/quote]

Fine. "Your" best friend threatened to blow up Sam's house - and you didn't give your friend the smack down or were seen delivering dynamite to said friend. Sam's tank is now parked in front of your house - gun pointed at your door. You, will undoubtedly, meekly turn your back on your friend and ask Sam to pretty please move his tank.

Regardless of who holds the moral high-ground, and even assuming Sam does, are "You" (who by the way, have ample access to your own weaponry) more or less likely to escalate with the Sam's tank parked in front of your house?

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1001988]We demonstrated it[SIZE="6"] 68 [/SIZE]years ago.
And have threatened no one with a nuclear strike since then.
Bleeding hearts like to bleat about it often and make it sound like it happened recently.
North Korea and Iran are threatening to nuke people with speeches and videos [SIZE="6"]today.[/SIZE][/quote]

And we flew a B2 [SIZE="6"]NUCLEAR CAPABLE[/SIZE] bomber from the US to within [SIZE="6"]100 MILES[/SIZE] of the Chinese border [SIZE="6"]LAST WEEK[/SIZE]. Are you ok if China flies a nuclear capable bomber to Tijuana and back?

MAD was exactly based on us threatening massive nuclear strikes. Reagan put Pershing II and the MX missile programs in play threatening strikes. We currently have a non-first strike policy only against those countries that do not have nuclear weapons. We have an intrinsic threat of using our nuclear arsenal, otherwise they would not be the deterrent.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1002015]And we flew a B2 [SIZE="6"]NUCLEAR CAPABLE[/SIZE] bomber from the US to within [SIZE="6"]100 MILES[/SIZE] of the Chinese border [SIZE="6"]LAST WEEK[/SIZE]. Are you ok if China flies a nuclear capable bomber to Tijuana and back?

MAD was exactly based on us threatening massive nuclear strikes. Reagan put Pershing II and the MX missile programs in play threatening strikes. We currently have a non-first strike policy only against those countries that do not have nuclear weapons. We have an intrinsic threat of using our nuclear arsenal, otherwise they would not be the deterrent.[/quote]

Since South Korea and Japan is/are relatively close to China we have been flying these evil capable bombers near China for over 50 years, makes me wonder why you have your panties in a twist about it today.
But I'm going to think it doesnt matter to you because you're so hung up on the hypocisy of our militray and apparently dont care about any American interests allies abroad.
And its not about China, its about North Korea, so China can kiss my ass.
And we have been having these exercises for decades but since the media is hyping things up this month it makes the libs all fidgety.
Flavor of the week for the tree hugging community.

And I'd love to see a Chinese bomber try to go feet dry in Mexico.

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I have comfort knowing we do own the biggest stick. I'd perfer to bring the stick home and just wack the ass holes who try to F(*K with us but I don't think that going to happen.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1002020]Flavor of the week for the tree hugging community.[/quote]

Agreed. We have John Kerry running State, Chuck Hagel running Defense and Brennan running CIA. We're now at the point where a Red Panda is leading a pack of timber wolves.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1002020]Since South Korea and Japan is/are relatively close to China we have been flying these evil capable bombers near China for over 50 years, makes me wonder why you have your panties in a twist about it today.
But I'm going to think it doesnt matter to you because you're so hung up on the hypocisy of our militray and apparently dont care about any American interests allies abroad.
And its not about China, its about North Korea, so China can kiss my ass.
And we have been having these exercises for decades but since the media is hyping things up this month it makes the libs all fidgety.
Flavor of the week for the tree hugging community.

And I'd love to see a Chinese bomber try to go feet dry in Mexico.[/quote]
We haven't flown B2's there before.

What I am, not very well, trying to show, is that what we see as valid exercises, can be seen by others as threats or even provocations. We want to protect our allies, I get that, and that's not a problem, but do so in a manner fitting of the biggest guy on the block. Show restraint and exercise judicious caution. For Example, rather than sending the latest and greatest weaponry on a militarily meaningless flight, do a long range sortie from Kansas to Saudi Arabia, publicize it, and let China know in back channels that, hey if your guy tries to something, that trip might end up in your back yard.

There is diplomacy, and there is gunboat diplomacy, I only hope that the politicians and military men are smart enough to use the right one.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1002024]We haven't flown B2's there before.

What I am, not very well, trying to show, is that what we see as valid exercises, can be seen by others as threats or even provocations. We want to protect our allies, I get that, and that's not a problem, but do so in a manner fitting of the biggest guy on the block. Show restraint and exercise judicious caution. For Example, rather than sending [COLOR="Red"][SIZE="2"]the latest and greatest weaponry on a militarily meaningless flight,[/SIZE][/COLOR] do a long range sortie from Kansas to Saudi Arabia, publicize it, and let China know in back channels that, hey if your guy tries to something, that trip might end up in your back yard.

There is diplomacy, and there is gunboat diplomacy, I only hope that the politicians and military men are smart enough to use the right one.[/quote]

If the time comes when it is necessary, how do you expect to do it right without training/practice?
Saudi Arabia isnt like the sea of japan.
A lot of differences to consider when you are flying a bomber.
I'd rather eliminate all variables and keep my B-2 pilots safe and provide the best training possible.

Anyways what difference does it make when we have had B-52s over there for so long?
A B-52 nuke is no less uglly than a B-2 nuke.
Not to mentiont the fact that if we do need to nuke North Korea it will come from a submarine.

And anyways these pre-broadcasted excersies were scheduled before North Korea decided to get all uppity.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1002024]We haven't flown B2's there before.

What I am, not very well, trying to show, is that what we see as valid exercises, can be seen by others as threats or even provocations. We want to protect our allies, I get that, and that's not a problem, but do so in a manner fitting of the biggest guy on the block. Show restraint and exercise judicious caution. For Example, rather than sending the latest and greatest weaponry on a militarily meaningless flight, do a long range sortie from Kansas to Saudi Arabia, publicize it, and let China know in back channels that, hey if your guy tries to something, that trip might end up in your back yard.

There is diplomacy, and there is gunboat diplomacy, I only hope that the politicians and military men are smart enough to use the right one.[/quote]

We have been showing restraint for over 50 years.

North Korea isnt interested in diplomacy.

They want to be a loud mouth swaggering bad ass on the block.

If there is a conflict there is no way we fill fire the first shot.


And when you have idiots like LiL Kim waving his nukes around, I am just fine with gunboat diplomacy.

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