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[quote=Daseal;568338]Personally, I like the pick. If this kid played his senior year I bet he would have cost much more than a 3rd. I don't consider this pissing away draft picks. We used the pick on a college player who has a lot of potential.[/quote]

Agreed

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Looks like Vinny's second round grade wasn't so far fetched.

[I]From Scouts Inc:[/I]
"From a purely physical standpoint Jarmon is capable of making an impact in the NFL.[B] He could have played his way into being a first-day pick in the 2010 draft[/B], but questionable instincts and recent off-the-field issues raise significant concerns for us."

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[url=http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/article/2009-07-16/redskins-select-jarmon-nfl-supplemental-draft]Redskins select Jarmon in NFL supplemental draft - Sporting News staff reports - NFL - Sporting News[/url]

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Like I said earlier this is a good pick by Vinny, for a kid that would've been a 2-3 next April had he played. This just sends a message to Buzbee/Jackson that they might not be around to see camp. It's kinda cool that we have 3 rookies who can contribute right now on D.

Man I'm so hyped for training camp:woot:

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;568326]On paper our DL is sick and games aren't played on paper but at least this pre-season JC going up against our DL & DF should prepare him for almost anything.[/quote]

Well outside of Haynesworth I really don't see anyone that is "sick". Montgomery, Carter, Wynn, Goldston, Daniels and Griff are all serviceable. They play well together. Orakpo and this new guy haven't played a down yet.

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Great pick. Really surprising, but great. If we can maintain a top 5 def this year and get some TO's then it takes the pressure of having to win the game of JC. Then he can manage and be safe which plays to his strengths.

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Production 2 2005: Redshirted; 2006: (13/6) 30 tackles, 6.5 TFL, 4 sacks, 4 PBU, 1 FF, 1 FR; 2007: (13/13) 62 tackles, 13.5 TFL, 9 sacks, 2 PBU, 2 FF, 1 FR, Second-Team All-SEC; 2008: (12/10) 38 tackles, 10 TFL, 4.5 sacks, 6 PBU, 2 FF, Honorable Mention All-SEC
H-W-S ratio 2 Prototypical height, bulk and top-end speed.
Durability 4 2008: Tears knee cartilage during Vanderbilt game, undergoes arthroscopic surgery and misses Tennessee game. 2005: Sustains shoulder injury during the summer and doesn't practice until midway though the season.
Intangibles 4 Ruled ineligible for 2009 season after testing positive for a banned substance. Was UK's Co-Most Outstanding Defensive Player in 2007. Effort appears inconsistent on film.
Pass-rush skills 2 Explosive first step and should be able to turn the corner working against most NFL right tackles. Strong bull-rusher who flashes an effective push-pull move but didn't show on film the ability to set tackles up to the outside and then redirect inside.
Athleticism/versatility 2 Above-average lateral mobility for his size and looks fluid running line stunts. Agile and comfortable enough in space to move to outside linebacker in a base 3-4 scheme. Stout enough to develop into an effective power end for a base 4-3 team and effective 5-technique for a base 3-4 team.
Versus the run 3 Does an adequate job of staying low and anchoring when teams run at him. Can stack and shed tight ends/tackles. Flashes the ability to shed blocks in time to make plays at the line of scrimmage but is inconsistent in this area. Takes adequate pursuit angles and generally does a good job of closing down cutback lanes but lacks ideal range.
Instincts/competitiveness 4 Can rush too far upfield or collapse inside prematurely, making him vulnerable to misdirection, but his biggest flaw is an inconsistent motor. Appears to take plays off and can gear down when teams run away from him. Flashes a mean streak and plays with emotion at other times. Does an excellent job of getting his hands up when he sees the quarterback start a throwing motion. Does an adequate job of locating the ball carrier.
Overall From a purely physical standpoint Jarmon is capable of making an impact in the NFL. He could have played his way into being a first-day pick in the 2010 draft, but questionable instincts and recent off-the-field issues raise significant concerns for us.
Scouts inc on espn

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Well, Vinny is getting some love now. Hope by April next year we are still in love with this move.

But I'm psyched up as well. Jarmon can certainly learn a few tips from Daniels & Wynn.

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Anyone with insight on his injuries? Sounds like he had some shoulder issues in 2005 and 2008?

I *LOVE* the prospect of getting a fierce YOUNG D-line. Now we all really wish we could fix the O-line since our offense has been the bigger problem. So does this mean we get an OL (?RT) as a 1st round pick, and then OLB in the 2nd next year? I really hope Campbell is a beast this year so we don't have to use our picks for another project QB..

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[quote=Hamoskinz;568346]Well, Vinny is getting some love now. [B]Hope by April next year we are still in love with this move.[/B]

But I'm psyched up as well. Jarmon can certainly learn a few tips from Daniels & Wynn.[/quote]

Well to that I say, our biggest criticism of the FO has been "not building through the draft", giving picks away in trades, and overpaying washed up veterans (and keeping old players).

In the past two drafts, the team has drafted/signed a young defensive line (Orakpo, Jarmon, Big Al who is 28); a young receiving group (Thomas, Kelly, Davis, and Roydell Williams who is only 28); a fairly young DB group (Horton, D. Hall, Barnes, Tryon, who join Rogers and Landry who are also fairly young). I think these have been very good moves, and I think the defense is set for the future (as long as they address the LB position in the next draft/free agency).

I do hope that next year, in addition to addressing the LBs, they would address the offensive line (their 1st rounder needs to be a lineman), and the RB position. So far, I'm fine with the influx of young players they have had, of course now they need to produce and get Ws.

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[quote=skinsfan69;568343]Well outside of Haynesworth I really don't see anyone that is "sick". Montgomery, Carter, Wynn, Goldston, Daniels and Griff are all serviceable. They play well together. Orakpo and this new guy haven't played a down yet.[/quote]
Sick , didn't their mom's tell them to wash their hands ???? You are right about big AL being the only dominant guy , but Monty and Golston should be better in yr 3 , and Orakpo / Jarmon looks better than JT . Griff should be well rested / fresh . If we can run, the ball convert 3rd downs and get into the endzone more often , we should be in the hunt for the NFC EAST TITLE < ? >

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Well, well, well...I don't happen to think this is a "great pick"
It sure is easy to convince ourselves that paying a 3rd for a marginal mid rounder is a great thing.
Bottom line...we didn't need to use this pick now and our pressing needs for picks are LB and Oline and potentially QB and RB...
A 3rd rounder is key with all these roles, now we dont have one and we are pigeon holed into Oline for one of our only 2 top picks.....would I be pissed if we used a 3rd next year on a DE?....no...but I am unsure that this guy would stack up against typical mid round 3rd rounders. This guy may end up being nothing more than a backup. Maybe I am greedy but a 3rd rounder needs to be a starter in year 2 to be considered sucessful.
That is a lot to ask of this guy....it is certainly seeing the glass half full.
Don't let me be a downer....just drink the kool-aid and be happy.
Its just funny that some of you were saying you'd be pissed if we used a 3rd on here and are now rationalizing how great it is.
I am unhappy about using a 3rd on this guy...I would have even been a bit squirly about a 4th...but I think that would have been fair.

I think the thing I am pissed the most is that we continue to go into drafts without our top 3 picks year after year.

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So in the last 7 drafts, we've had 3 third round draft picks:

2003 Derrick Dockery
2004 Chris Cooley
2008 Chad Rhinehart

If Rhinehart works out, I guess Jarmon has got big shoes to fill. Hope he lives up to it.

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[quote=skinsnut;568351]Well, well, well...I don't happen to think this is a "great pick"
It sure is easy to convince ourselves that paying a 3rd for a marginal mid rounder is a great thing.
Bottom line...we didn't need to use this pick now and our pressing needs for picks are LB and Oline and potentially QB and RB...
A 3rd rounder is key with all these roles, now we dont have one and we are pigeon holed into Oline for one of our only 2 top picks.....would I be pissed if we used a 3rd next year on a DE?....no...but I am unsure that this guy would stack up against typical mid round 3rd rounders. This guy may end up being nothing more than a backup. Maybe I am greedy but a 3rd rounder needs to be a starter in year 2 to be considered sucessful.
That is a lot to ask of this guy....it is certainly seeing the glass half full.
Don't let me be a downer....just drink the kool-aid and be happy.
Its just funny that some of you were saying you'd be pissed if we used a 3rd on here and are now rationalizing how great it is.
I am unhappy about using a 3rd on this guy...I would have even been a bit squirly about a 4th...but I think that would have been fair.

[B]I think the thing I am pissed the most is that we continue to go into drafts without our top 3 picks year after year.[/B][/quote]

I have the same concern. However, we still have the two best picks - at least we didn't spend one of them. Since we now have a surplus of defensive linemen as well, maybe we can pick up an extra (if very low) pick in a trade.

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[quote=mooby;568303]I like this move. We are essentially redshirting him, I look at him as a 2010 third rounder that we get to have for an extra year to get a head start on his development. And if he actually gets some decent pt this season and gets off to a good start then even better.[/quote]

/agree

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[quote=skinsnut;568351]Well, well, well...I don't happen to think this is a "great pick"
It sure is easy to convince ourselves that paying a 3rd for a marginal mid rounder is a great thing.
Bottom line...we didn't need to use this pick now and our pressing needs for picks are LB and Oline and potentially QB and RB...
[B]A 3rd rounder is key with all these roles, now we dont have one and we are pigeon holed into Oline for one of our only 2 top picks.....would I be pissed if we used a 3rd next year on a DE?....no...but I am unsure that this guy would stack up against typical mid round 3rd rounders. [/B] This guy may end up being nothing more than a backup. Maybe I am greedy but a 3rd rounder needs to be a starter in year 2 to be considered sucessful.
That is a lot to ask of this guy....it is certainly seeing the glass half full.
Don't let me be a downer....just drink the kool-aid and be happy.
Its just funny that some of you were saying you'd be pissed if we used a 3rd on here and are now rationalizing how great it is.
I am unhappy about using a 3rd on this guy...I would have even been a bit squirly about a 4th...but I think that would have been fair.

I think the thing I am pissed the most is that we continue to go into drafts without our top 3 picks year after year.[/quote]

While you are entitled to your opinion, I think that a 3rd rounder o-lineman next year would not automatically fix everything. Personally I think next year we need to pick an offensive tackle/guard in the first round, and sign a solid young free agent lineman. Furthermore, we need to see how the likes of Heyer, Rinehart, Jeremy Bridges, and Mike Williams are going to work out. Plus, I think between Scott Burley and Edwin Williams you are bound to find a diamond in the rough (since apparently Maryland is slowly becoming a good training ground for offensive lineman :) )

PS: I don't think this is a GREAT pick, but I think it is worth the risk. I mean look at Baltimore and how Jared Gaither worked out? (Maryland, hollah!)

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[quote=Ruhskins;568358]While you are entitled to your opinion, I think that a 3rd rounder o-lineman next year would not automatically fix everything. Personally I think next year we need to pick an offensive tackle/guard in the first round, and sign a solid young free agent lineman. Furthermore, we need to see how the likes of Heyer, Rinehart, Jeremy Bridges, and Mike Williams are going to work out. Plus, I think between Scott Burley and Edwin Williams you are bound to find a diamond in the rough (since apparently Maryland is slowly becoming a good training ground for offensive lineman :) )

PS: I don't think this is a GREAT pick, but I think it is worth the risk. I mean look at Baltimore and how Jared Gaither worked out? (Maryland, hollah!)[/quote]

.... and this year hope our defense gives our o-lone a short field everytime!

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[quote=Ruhskins;568358]
PS: I don't think this is a GREAT pick, but I think it is worth the risk. I mean look at Baltimore and how Jared Gaither worked out? (Maryland, hollah!)[/quote]

I really think because this one supplemental guy is a success story that we overpaid for this guy.

Also,
We have lost a bunch of value with this guy since he doesn't have any playbook knowledge at all....he has lost some significant rookie prep time and knowledge

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[quote=skinsnut;568360]I really think because this one supplemental guy is a success story that we overpaid for this guy.

Also,
We have lost a bunch of value with this guy since he doesn't have any playbook knowledge at all....he has lost some significant rookie prep time and knowledge[/quote]

Wasnt like he was going to start anyways. he can learn from Carter,Daniels and Wynn. Then he can work his way into the rotation.

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Kudos to the FO for pulling a ballsy move on an area of need. This guy could have gone on the 2nd round during next years draft, there's no difference getting him now than next year, he will have one more year of experience by 2010. This guy has the build of a Dexter Manley/Charles Mann (slightly shorter) and could be an impact player down the road.

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LOL, this is why i dont like Madden coming out before the preseason starts. Never have the late additions.

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;568364]LOL, this is why i dont like Madden coming out before the preseason starts. Never have the late additions.[/quote]

Well you can always get them in the roster updates. :)

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[quote=Lotus;568356]I have the same concern. However, we still have the two best picks - at least we didn't spend one of them. Since we now have a surplus of defensive linemen as well, maybe we can pick up an extra (if very low) pick in a trade.[/quote]

Yes, but if we went into this season without adding any more DE's, we would be drafting one in the first 3 rounds in 2010 anyway. Add that to the fact that Jarmon had a great chance of being at least a 3rd round talent next year if he hadn't been ruled ineligible, and I'd say we did fine.

I'm an SEC guy, and Jarmon is a damn good player. All-conference in the SEC means you can ball.

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So we traded our 1st in 2008, our 2nd in 2009, and our 3rd in 2010. Who are we getting for the 4th in 2011?

I am neutral about the pick, I like it just as much as I don't like it. I think it was a lot based on the pressure for Zorn and Vinny to get it done this year, which is what bothers me the most. I really want to know what other people offered. I know teams don't want to say what they did because then they can get judged for it, but I hope it somehow leaks out.

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[quote=an23dy;568375]So we traded our 1st in 2008, our 2nd in 2009, and our 3rd in 2010. Who are we getting for the 4th in 2011?

I am neutral about the pick, I like it just as much as I don't like it. I think it was a lot based on the pressure for Zorn and Vinny to get it done this year, which is what bothers me the most. I really want to know what other people offered. I know teams don't want to say what they did because then they can get judged for it, but I hope it somehow leaks out.[/quote]

Detroit and some other teams were going to try to get him with a 4th. If we wouldn't have given a 3rd, we wouldn't have got him.

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I think its a good move. We needed a boost to the Dline.

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[quote=an23dy;568375]So we traded our 1st in 2008, our 2nd in 2009, and our 3rd in 2010. Who are we getting for the 4th in 2011?

I am neutral about the pick, I like it just as much as I don't like it. I think it was a lot based on the pressure for Zorn and Vinny to get it done this year, which is what bothers me the most. I really want to know what other people offered. I know teams don't want to say what they did because then they can get judged for it, but I hope it somehow leaks out.[/quote]

How did we trade our 3rd in 2010? Isn't the player who that pick was used for going to be on the roster in 2010? We used the pick 9 months early, that's all. I'm not getting how anyone is upset that we used our pick for a player that's going to be on our team?!?

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[quote=Paintrain;568378]How did we trade our 3rd in 2010? Isn't the player who that pick was used for going to be on the roster in 2010? We used the pick 9 months early, that's all. I'm not getting how anyone is upset that we used our pick for a player that's going to be on our team?!?[/quote]

Good point. This reminds me how some ppl (I think I saw this on ESPN) are saying that "Snyder gave away a pick". Um, hello, we drafted someone.

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[quote=an23dy;568375]So we traded our 1st in 2008, our 2nd in 2009, and our 3rd in 2010. Who are we getting for the 4th in 2011?

I am neutral about the pick,[B] I like it just as much as I don't like it. I think it was a lot based on the pressure for Zorn and Vinny to get it done this year, which is what bothers me the most[/B]. I really want to know what other people offered. I know teams don't want to say what they did because then they can get judged for it, but I hope it somehow leaks out.[/quote]

Gotta disagree there. Most of the stuff I've read has Jarmon's primary contributions beginning AFTER this season. Given the age of some of our DE's, I think this move is a lot more about the future than it is some win or go home situation in 2009.

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Im sure Zorn is aware of the situation. With names like Holmgren,Cowher,Dungy,Shanahan and Gruden out there next season he knows he has to show DS that the team is on the rise. Especially on offense.

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[quote=Paintrain;568378]How did we trade our 3rd in 2010? Isn't the player who that pick was used for going to be on the roster in 2010? We used the pick 9 months early, that's all. I'm not getting how anyone is upset that we used our pick for a player that's going to be on our team?!?[/quote]

My bad, I meant it in that we won't be drafting in the third come draft day. We did the same thing for Jason Taylor. We traded the 2nd round pick 9 months early for Jason Taylor and he was on the roster in 2008. He was just older and hopefully not as good a LDE as Jarmon will be. I'm neutral about it, but other people are upset at the value, they don't know if he was worth using a third round pick on.

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[quote=GMScud;568382]Gotta disagree there. Most of the stuff I've read has Jarmon's primary contributions beginning AFTER this season. Given the age of some of our DE's, I think this move is a lot more about the future than it is some win or go home situation in 2009.[/quote]

True, good point. He probably won't play much. He missed all the off-season work also. And he's good insurance for a lot of the old DEs we have if they get injured.

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[quote=an23dy;568384]My bad, I meant it in that we won't be drafting in the third come draft day. We did the same thing for Jason Taylor. We traded the 2nd round pick 9 months early for Jason Taylor and he was on the roster in 2008. He was just older and hopefully not as good a LDE as Jarmon will be. I'm neutral about it, but other people are upset at the value[B], they don't know if he was worth using a third round pick on[/B].[/quote]

I didn't WANT to use a third pick on him, but we wouldn't have got him otherwise. We'll just have to wait and see how it goes. This, potentially, could turn out to be a great move. I'm willing to give it the benefit of the doubt personally. If he can eventually replace Daniels, I'd say the FO did a good job. A really good job.

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I just dont get it. Yeah, I know we have a lot of needs, i.e O-Line. But, damn... this time last year people on this site were screaming "We need D-Line, we haven't drafted D-Line in years". Now, everyone says "We paid too much"...Give me a break. Be happy we have basically a new D-Line, a much stronger D-Line, and a much younger D-Line...are we forgetting that we have Albert freakin Haynesworth!? Hell, I could be a bookend DE playing next to that guy. Jarmon obviously has talent and came from a top-tier conference. I love the pick. I usually dont praise Vinny but this was a damn good move IMO

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Anyone remember Charles Mann was a third rounder?

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This could be a steal if it pans out. I would, however, be a little concerned. This guy was disqualified by the NCAA and lost his senior year eligibility because he tested positive for a banned diuretic.

Most diuretics are not banned, and they are even legal in the NFL. The banned diuretics are those diuretics that are known to be used to flush the traces of steroids/PHD's from the system so they won't show up on a drug test.

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I'm a die hard Skins! fan and for that reason I'm excited but i have to contain myself. Jarmon would have missed the 2009 season, now we all know what happens when you sit out for a college season remember I beleive his name was Mike Williams out of USC was drafted by the Lions and was a flop. Taking Jarmon now he's hungry & book smart he graduated already could turn out to be a good move, a year to learn from good veterans and he could start out on ST.

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The fact that 5 other teams placed 4th rounds bids to get him places my mind at ease with the value question. He was potentially on pace to be at least a 3rd round pick. I really like the move in the sense he will come in and get a year under his belt with Danels and Wynn with the plan of hopefully replacing one of them the following year. I dont think Wynn gets cut, I think Buzbee is the odd man out here. I really like the move, but it does state that they envision Orakpo staying at OLB....which I think alot of people(including myself) are going to have a problem with if he doesnt play well this year at the new position. I think Orakpo lined up on the left side at Texas, where Jarmon is projected to be as well. Not saying changing sides or even position cannot be done, but its already a challenge adapting to the NFL.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;568403]This could be a steal if it pans out. I would, however, be a little concerned. This guy was disqualified by the NCAA and lost his senior year eligibility because he tested positive for a banned diuretic.

Most diuretics are not banned, and they are even legal in the NFL. The banned diuretics are those diuretics that are known to be used to flush the traces of steroids/PHD's from the system so they won't show up on a drug test.[/quote]

What you say is true, but that's why the press conference link I posted is a big factor for me. They clearly lay out what was going on, and I don't think UK would go way out on a limb if they had any doubts that this guy was using PHDs

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;568188]A few thoughts:

1) Orakpo is our starting SLB for the forseeable future. He'll line up at DE no more than 20% of the time.
2) Renaldo Wynn and Alex Buzbee will be unemployed within 2 months.
3) I'm not terribly concerned about losing the 3rd rounder next year. I think Jarmon qualifies as 3rd round talent that we got for a 3rd rounder a year early. If we had wanted to select him in the 3rd round in THIS years draft (had he been eligible), we would have had to trade next years 2nd. Instead, we're geting him for a 3rd rounder a year earlier than we would have otherwise.
4) Why did Cerrato openly pimp this guy to the media last week? I'll tell you why - he wanted fans to get pumped up for this guy, so we would be less angry when we announced we were giving up a 3rd rounder for him.
5) We only have 5 draft picks next year. Most of our division rivals have twice that.
6) If we have a bad season, Zorn, Campbell, and Cerrato will all be gone next year.[/quote]

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