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[quote=firstdown;579209]I've never heard that they ran out of money and that was the reason the old stadium had the hole. Those type roof's are designed a certain way for support reasons and you cannot at the last minute decide to leave out structure that the roof depends on for its suport and design. JJ can rais this thing anytime he decides its a problem with a push of a botton so its no real big deal.[/quote]

It was supposed to be a dome. There ended up being structural problems without the money to fix them. Plus, the owner said they're using the Stadium for the '71 opener whether it was ready or not. Well, it wasn't ready. So instead of admitting bad planning, they said they designed it that way "So God can watch his team play". Ridiculous, but later everyone could mockingly say it was "So God can keep an eye on the criminals".

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[quote=Buster;579206]Everyone keeps talking about these regulations...I'd like to see them in their original text.

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yeah i would too. i tried to do an internet search for the actual language. found nothing. did find a texas a&m message board where a poster said he read the regulation text and the cowboys stadium is within regs but didnt post the link to where he found the actual nfl language.

if anyone comes across the actual language please post a link, id like to read it.

go skins!!

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I really thing Jerry Jones intention was to create a palace more impressive than Dan Snyder's palace. In the process, the Cowboys have this larger than life video screen/scoreboard that dangles over the entire field. Punters are going to continue to hit it and if it continues to delay ball games something is going to have to be done. Dig deeper in your wallet Jerry Jones, raise the scoreboard.

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Well all indications are the league competition committee is acting quickly on the scoreboard issue. There have already been a few meetings by the committee on this and more to come is all but assured.

The league "greenlighted" the scoreboard to be suspended 85 feet above the field. The scoreboard is currently positioned at 90 feet above the field. The NFL states that any scoreboard must be no lower than 85 feet from the field.

So Jones would be within his rights to tell the league that he will not raise the scoreboard. But I woud think that if the league ORDERS it raised (which is within thier right) then, they will probably volunteer to share a portion of the financial burden of raising it.

Just raise it already, before the season starts.

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[quote=Lotus;578842]Dude, you are an OL injury or two from having a pathetic offense.

People who live in glass houses...[/quote]

.....shouldn't throw stones. Yeah I know.

But Campbell is 4 for 13 in two preseason games. So I guess it is okay for him to throw stones in a glass house, lord knows he wont hit anything.

:silly:

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[quote=Buster;579207]If they determine it needs moved and he refuses...fines are in order.[/quote]

If they determine it needs to be moved after having approved it per standard review process, then JJ is legally w/in his right to keep it as is. The league will likely have to pony up any funds needed, unless there's more to this than meets the eye, like somehow they find the process was circumvented.

The only way I can see dallas getting fined is if the league & JJ come to agreement on how to fix the issue, yet he doesn't follow through. IF all remains as it is now, I don't see any legal means by which he could be fined.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;579244].....shouldn't throw stones. Yeah I know.

But Campbell is 4 for 13 in two preseason games. So I guess it is okay for him to throw stones in a glass house, lord knows he wont hit anything.

:silly:[/quote]

touche Sandtrap.

But on the real; do you worry that this stadium, for all its luxuries & engineering feats (aside from the scoreboard), actually will diminish the home field advantage?

I think that standing room only ticket idea is brilliant on one hand, yet may lead to an unruly crowd. The jumbo tron will encourage fans to only watch the screen, then if they leave their seat they won't feel their missing the live game, they'll just watch the screen in the corridors, reducing the crowd noise.

We Skins fans that were blessed to visit RFK in its day know what a great home field advantage it had. FedEx took that away & seems so much less personal.

I went to texas stadium for the skins game in 07 & thought it was a great venue, though ugly from the outside. There were few bad seats in the house. Like rfk the crowd is on top of the action, loud, focused & intense.

I appreciate what this stadium is, its cutting edge & looks great. But I look for cowboys stadium to only be really loud in big games, though I know it was designed to retain noise. Your thoughts?

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[quote=freddyg12;579251]touche Sandtrap.

But on the real; do you worry that this stadium, for all its luxuries & engineering feats (aside from the scoreboard), [b]actually will diminish the home field advantage?[/b]

I think that standing room only ticket idea is brilliant on one hand, yet may lead to an unruly crowd. The jumbo tron will encourage fans to only watch the screen, then if they leave their seat they won't feel their missing the live game, they'll just watch the screen in the corridors, reducing the crowd noise.

We Skins fans that were blessed to visit RFK in its day know what a great home field advantage it had. FedEx took that away & seems so much less personal.

I went to texas stadium for the skins game in 07 & thought it was a great venue, though ugly from the outside. There were few bad seats in the house. Like rfk the crowd is on top of the action, loud, focused & intense.

I appreciate what this stadium is, its cutting edge & looks great. But I look for cowboys stadium to only be really loud in big games, though I know it was designed to retain noise. Your thoughts?[/quote]
Been to a lot of games at Texas Stadium, and one thing I noticed is there really is not a home field advantage as far as fan participation.

Never have a I seen an opposing QB call a time out in a 3 and goal because of the "rowdy" Texas fans that get so loud that they cannot hear a snap count.

That is one think I envy about Redskins games at FedEx, fan participation.

All of those "white-collar corporate pencil necks" at Texas Stadium (and now Cowboys Stadium) simply don't get into the action as most would elsewhere.

I have sat in Texas Stadium everywhere from the lower level, to the nose bleeds to the end zones. And everywhere I sit, even I can hear the damn snap count of the oppositions QB.

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[url=http://www.geekbrief.tv/gbtv-609-visiting-the-largest-hd-display-in-the-world]The worst seats in the stadium...toward the end of the video[/url]

JJ sure is getting a lot of buzz for this scoreboard issue. Can't help but wonder if he didn't know this would happen and he planned on raising it anyway, but not before the stadium got some more attention.

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If the city told you the roof on your new house only had to be 6 feet tall but you knew you would constantly bump your head on the ceiling would you still build the roof 6 feet off the ground? This is f**king ridiculous.

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[quote=53Fan;579299]If the city told you the roof on your new house only had to be 6 feet tall but you knew you would constantly bump your head on the ceiling would you still build the roof 6 feet off the ground? This is f**king ridiculous.[/quote]

you have a point 53, but to be analogous 6.5 would be about accurate, since they built to 90 & the min. is 85.' :)

JJ sounds convinced that it really isn't an issue for real game scenarios. You have to wonder, like some have said here, if the possibility of drama & more press, is fun for him.

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[quote=hail_2_da_skins;579230]I really thing Jerry Jones intention was to create a palace more impressive than Dan Snyder's palace. In the process, the Cowboys have this larger than life video screen/scoreboard that dangles over the entire field. Punters are going to continue to hit it and if it continues to delay ball games something is going to have to be done. Dig deeper in your wallet Jerry Jones, raise the scoreboard.[/quote]

I don't know if FedEx is that impressive per say. I think massive describes it especially considering that to my knowledge the only stadium in America thats bigger is Happy Valley. However at the end of the day it's a big, traditional square bowl with a coat of Redskin colors.

Also I think that FedEx is really JKC's palace.

Edit: Never mind FedEx is the 18th largest stadium in the world and 10th in the US. Still it's definitely the biggest in the NFL so horray.
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[quote=freddyg12;579319]you have a point 53, but to be analogous 6.5 would be about accurate, since they built to 90 & the min. is 85.' :)

JJ sounds convinced that it really isn't an issue for real game scenarios.[B] You have to wonder, like some have said here, if the possibility of drama & more press, is fun for him[/B].[/quote]

My guess would be that he's eating this up. There really isn't any other reason to talk about the Cowgirls.

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[quote=53Fan;579299]If the city told you the roof on your new house only had to be 6 feet tall but you knew you would constantly bump your head on the ceiling would you still build the roof 6 feet off the ground? This is f**king ridiculous.[/quote]

Now now. The impoverished Jones had a budget of only $1.2 billion to work with. You can't expect him to get it right. :)

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[quote=SmootSmack;579274][URL="http://www.geekbrief.tv/gbtv-609-visiting-the-largest-hd-display-in-the-world"]The worst seats in the stadium...toward the end of the video[/URL]
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Wow. I wonder how much he charges for that seat. The view will be even worse with people sitting around you.

This screen is more of a distraction to everyone than a benefit.

The fans above the second level will have it right in their faces. It will be tough to concentrate on watching the field with that taking up so much of your peripheral vision. I'm sure it will distract some players from time to time as well, out of its sheer size and brightness.

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I just pray it doesn't ever fall. It has happened three times in arenas with much smaller screens.

*In 1988, a 20-ton, $1.2 million center-hung scoreboard at the new Charlotte Coliseum crashed to the floor of the arena, doing $55,000 worth of damage to the basketball court.

*In 1996, the eight-sided, center-hung Sony JumboTron at Marine Midland (now HSBC) Arena fell to the ice while it was being remotely moved minutes after players ended practice and hours before a game between the Buffalo Sabres and Boston Bruins.

*In 1997, the 5-ton center-hung scoreboard at North Charleston Coliseum, home of the ECHL South Carolina Stingrays, fell, [B]killing[/B] an arena worker.

We've already had one incident with a Jerry Jones facility this year, their practice tent. Let's hope there is not another, especially when our guys are there. If that thing goes during an NFL game, there will be a minimum of 29 guys right under it (teams plus refs), although it looks like it could hit people on the sidelines too.

This stadium is just ugly. It's more of a monument to Jerry Jones and his ego than it is about creating a great place to watch a football game. I've heard some people in Texas describe its appearance as an airplane hangar.

They should have known better than placing the screen there. Ray Guy once hit THIS screen at the Superdome:
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If you look at the BACKUP PUNTER'S kick, it was still on the way up when it struck the screen. There are better punters in the NFL obviously, those with starting jobs, and they'll hit it too. This won't be a single freak occurrence.

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[quote=Lotus;579341]Now now. The impoverished Jones had a budget of only $1.2 billion to work with. You can't expect him to get it right. :)[/quote]

I know. I really should be more understanding. :(

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Buster, I'm not a fan of modern architecture at all, but from the pictures I've seen it looks kinda cool. Definitely better looking from the outside than texas stadium, which looks like one huge chunk of concrete w/a hole in it.

good point about the superdome, they mentioned that on fox the other night that Madden reminded them of Ray Guy hitting the scoreboard.

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[quote=freddyg12;579369]Buster, I'm not a fan of modern architecture at all, but from the pictures I've seen it looks kinda cool. Definitely better looking from the outside than texas stadium, which looks like one huge chunk of concrete w/a hole in it.

good point about the superdome, they mentioned that on fox the other night that Madden reminded them of Ray Guy hitting the scoreboard.[/quote]

One thing I noticed these days is that domes are now incorporating windows in the end zones. I think part of the reason the older domes were so depressing was because they looked like one giant basement. If you look at Ford Field, Lucas Oil Stadium, University of Phoenix Stadium, and now the new Cowboys stadium you'll see that they're all designed to let outside light in from the sides. Now that I think about it I wish that basketball and hockey arenas would incorporate this.
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Buster, I pray that those screens fall when no one is around. I don't want anyone hurt but I do want the Cowboys to be further embarrassed.

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[quote=Buster;579348]
I just pray it doesn't ever fall. It has happened three times in arenas with much smaller screens.
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The key word there though is smaller screens (ie screens where the teams were probably doing just enough to keep them in their place). This screen is a state of the art type deal and more importantly it's Jerry's baby. I'm pretty sure he's gone above and beyond the call of duty to keep that screen in it's place. Think about how you treat your own HDTV at home and then multiply that by a couple million dollars.

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I hear you Buster, I would be scared sh*tless the entire time i was playing under that thing, especially after that other calamity that recently happened. Cowboys = joke

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[quote=Daseal;579202]I really can't kill JJ or Dallas for this -- the screen is well within NFL regulations. It needs to be moved, but the league needs to pay for it and change the rules. I'm sure if you built a fence in your yard that was within homeowners regulations, then they come tell you it's too short -- you're not going to pull up and start over out of your own checkbook. Either make the homeowners association pay for it, or say deal with it.

That said, I wish we had a jumbotron that didn't have pixels the size of cars. When you look up it looks like Techmobowl on ours. GO BO GO![/quote]
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Lechler plays there on Thanksgiving day. He might actually knock the thing out.

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It sounds like if they raise it, like they will for U2, then they have to disconnect it. JJ has said that they will raise it to accomodate U2's stage, and charge U2 2Million dollars, but then lower it again for games. It's not as simple as pressing a button, because once raised the screen does not work. Certainly seems fixable, but one other comment I found interesting was that if it is raised, then JJ's view of it is skewed. I don't know if that is true, but that would be the kicker, if everytime he sat in his perch he was reminded of the punt fiasco.

Love it!

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[quote=Dirtbag359;579420]The key word there though is smaller screens (ie screens where the teams were probably doing just enough to keep them in their place). This screen is a state of the art type deal and more importantly it's Jerry's baby. I'm pretty sure he's gone above and beyond the call of duty to keep that screen in it's place. Think about how you treat your own HDTV at home and[B] then multiply that by a couple million dollars.[/B][/quote]

Try $40M.

I'm no structural engineer, but I imagine that thing is hooked up to a pretty elaborate pulley system. I'm sure it's not dangling like a Christmas ornament (even though that's what it is to Jerrah).

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[quote=Dirtbag359;579420]The key word there though is smaller screens (ie screens where the teams were probably doing just enough to keep them in their place). This screen is a state of the art type deal and more importantly it's Jerry's baby. I'm pretty sure he's gone above and beyond the call of duty to keep that screen in it's place. Think about how you treat your own HDTV at home and then multiply that by a couple million dollars.[/quote]

We're going to trust the man who let his team practice in a tent in a tornado-prone area? I hope you're right though.

Speaking of th Colts new stadium posted above, I heard Mike Golic saying this morning that the Colts placed a steel beam at 90 feet and let the team practice under it. Then they let their punter, HUNTER SMITH, punt with it up there...he hit it the majority of the times, so they located the screens/scoreboard on the sides.

So you can't just blame the league for approving it...apparently all Jerry Jones needed to avoid this embarrassment is a little common sense that others in the league had. A little research or a single conversation with someone who just completed a nice stadium would've shown that it has been tested and will not work.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;579631]It sounds like if they raise it, like they will for U2, then they have to disconnect it. JJ has said that they will raise it to accomodate U2's stage, and charge U2 2Million dollars, but then lower it again for games. It's not as simple as pressing a button, because once raised the screen does not work. Certainly seems fixable, but one other comment I found interesting was that if it is raised, then JJ's view of it is skewed. I don't know if that is true, but that would be the kicker, if everytime he sat in his perch he was reminded of the punt fiasco.

Love it![/quote]

They can't use extension cords (cables)? This keeps getting better. I hope the league mandates they just remove it altogether.

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I see the NFL Competition Committee has a conference call today to contemplate that crappy contraption.

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I'll admit the screen looks awesome, but it's a fail on the execution end. It's hilarious to see punts shanking off of it.

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[quote=Mattyk72;579671]I'll admit the screen looks awesome, but it's a fail on the execution end. It's hilarious to see punts shanking off of it.[/quote]

It's impressive in size and technology, no doubt, but it probably doesn't look awesome while in the stadium, as I posted before...it has to be a huge distraction when trying to watch the field. It stretches from the 20 to the 20 yard-line, you can't escape it.


It's well suited for a Madden tournament, but not really for a live game. It gets in the way visually as well as physically on punts.

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[quote=Buster;579676]It's impressive in size and technology, no doubt, but it probably doesn't look awesome while in the stadium, as I posted before...it has to be a huge distraction when trying to watch the field.[B] It stretches from the 20 to the 20 yard-line, you can't escape it.[/B]


It's well suited for a Madden tournament, but not really for a live game. It gets in the way visually as well as physically on punts.[/quote]

I agree. Unless you're sitting in the lower level, most fans probably aren't even watching the field.

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Maybe the point of the 85 foot rule was that a regular score baord would be fine at that height. But a screen half the size of the field? I doubt it.

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[quote=FRPLG;579701]Maybe the point of the 85 foot rule was that a regular score baord would be fine at that height. But a screen half the size of the field? I doubt it.[/quote]

Who knows when the rule was written. Maybe when it was written most punters couldn't punt it that high?

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All I know is that Jerrah's assertion that it won't be an issue in general is bullpoop. It's gonna get hit a dozen times this year.

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[quote=Buster;579676]It's impressive in size and technology, no doubt, but it probably doesn't look awesome while in the stadium, as I posted before...it has to be a huge distraction when trying to watch the field. It stretches from the 20 to the 20 yard-line, you can't escape it.


It's well suited for a Madden tournament, but not really for a live game. It gets in the way visually as well as physically on punts.[/quote]

There are some folks on a Cowboys board who went to the game the other night and talked about this. The general consensus of fans who seem sane (a minority on a Cowboys board) is that those in the lower levels are not distracted but those in the upper levels cannot escape the presence of the screens to focus on the field. Some said that they could not see the field well because the screens were in the way.

I'm laughing at you Dallas, not with you. :laughing2

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I can't believe how long this thread has gone on for...

Dallas did testing before they installed the screens. Mat McBriar was hitting the 100 foot mark with regularity, yet Jerry Jones still installed it at 90 feet. McBriar is also more of a directional punter, so the height won't affect him as much.

It's not a fail on Jones' part. He had the screens installed at more than the league minimum and do so knowing the conditions of his own punter.

I also think Trapasso and Hentrich were trying to hit it, and being a preseason game, who cares if they did...

We'll see how it unfolds, but I honestly don't see this being a major issue. A minor one, maybe, but I don't think we'll see more than a few do-overs over the course of the season.

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[quote=BDBohnzie;579744]I can't believe how long this thread has gone on for...

[b]Dallas did testing before they installed the screens. Mat McBriar was hitting the 100 foot mark with regularity, yet Jerry Jones still installed it at 90 feet. McBriar is also more of a directional punter, so the height won't affect him as much.[/b]

It's not a fail on Jones' part. He had the screens installed at more than the league minimum and do so knowing the conditions of his own punter.

I also think Trapasso and Hentrich were trying to hit it, and being a preseason game, who cares if they did...

We'll see how it unfolds, but I honestly don't see this being a major issue. A minor one, maybe, but I don't think we'll see more than a few do-overs over the course of the season.[/quote]
Where did you ever read/hear that McBriar did testing? McBriar admitted publicly just this week that he was never asked, nor did he, kick to test in the new stadium for height issues.

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He did testing at the Alamodome a couple of years back

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"Bold" prediction by Todd Archer here

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** After seeing Mat McBriar punt inside the Alamodome I am more convinced that he will hit the digital board at Cowboys Stadium a ton this year. I know there's some directional kicking involved but he's hitting that thing this year.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;579754]Where did you ever read/hear that McBriar did testing? McBriar admitted publicly just this week that he was never asked, nor did he, kick to test in the new stadium for height issues.[/quote]
Yeah because the stadium was built with the screens in mind so it'd be too late to test in the new stadium... are you saying that there's going to be a huge diff in that stadium vs the one he did kick in?

You never cease to provide humor on this site.

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[quote=BDBohnzie;579744]I can't believe how long this thread has gone on for...

Dallas did testing before they installed the screens. Mat McBriar was hitting the 100 foot mark with regularity, yet Jerry Jones still installed it at 90 feet. McBriar is also more of a directional punter, so the height won't affect him as much.

It's not a fail on Jones' part. [B]He had the screens installed at more than the league minimum and do so knowing the conditions of his own punter.[/B]

I also think Trapasso and Hentrich were trying to hit it, and being a preseason game, who cares if they did...

We'll see how it unfolds, but I honestly don't see this being a major issue. A minor one, maybe, but I don't think we'll see more than a few do-overs over the course of the season.[/quote]

But the stadium, with the ridiculous screens, will be there long after McBriar is gone. To plan a stadium around just one punter is lunacy.