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[quote=CRedskinsRule;581761]Maybe I have a different definition of Gunslinger, but Manning is the penultimate game manager to me, he directs everything, can throw the long ball, but ultimately doesn't make dumb mistakes. Not sure I would qualify Tom Brady as a "gunslinger" either.

For me a gunslinger is personified in Favre, Romo has some of it too. A qb who thinks he can get the ball inbetween those 2-4 bad guys, and has the arm to back it up, most of the time. The problem is for every Favre, or even Romo who can back it up a dozen wannabees fail out because their INT/TD ratio is a killer.

I definitely don't want a gunslinger, but I would take Manning or Brady.[/quote]

So who do you think is the ultimate game manager?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;581761]Maybe I have a different definition of Gunslinger, but Manning is the penultimate game manager to me, he directs everything, can throw the long ball, but ultimately doesn't make dumb mistakes. Not sure I would qualify Tom Brady as a "gunslinger" either.

For me a gunslinger is personified in Favre, Romo has some of it too. A qb who thinks he can get the ball inbetween those 2-4 bad guys, and has the arm to back it up, most of the time. The problem is for every Favre, or even Romo who can back it up a dozen wannabees fail out because their INT/TD ratio is a killer.

I definitely don't want a gunslinger, but I would take Manning or Brady.[/quote]

Well put.

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[quote=irish;581777]So who do you think is the ultimate game manager?[/quote]

Not sure really, i just like the word penultimate, sounds cool :cool-smil

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Does anyone know how much we were in the shotgun compared to any other formation?
Jason seemed to very comfortable in the shotgun set. Really liked what I saw when JC had time to make plays.

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well heres what ESPN.com says about us last night:

Redskins-Pats: What did we learn?

August 29, 2009 12:01 PM


Posted by ESPN.com's Matt Mosley

It's much easier for me to defend Jason Campbell when he plays like he did last night. The Redskins lost to the Patriots in the final seconds of a preseason game, but they appeared to gain much-needed confidence in the process. Campbell was 13-of-22 for 209 yards and a rushing touchdown, but the most important thing was that he looked poised the entire time. We saw what he can do when the offensive line gives him a little time.


AP Photo/Nick Wass
Marko Mitchell caught a touchdown pass in front of cornerback Jamar Love during the second half of Friday night's game.

After he called it a night, Campbell told Jim Nantz and Phil Simms that the offense couldn't "dink and dunk" its way down the field and be successful. And that's why you see coach Jim Zorn calling for so many downfield passes. I thought Post columnist Mike Wise summed it up pretty well after last night's game. OK, let's take a closer look at what took place:

Tom Brady and Randy Moss pretty much toyed with DeAngelo Hall. It wasn't an awful performance by the defense at all, but Hall was clearly in over his head against Moss. I realize he's going to make a lot of cornerbacks look bad, but you would hope Hall wouldn't get completely overwhelmed. When receivers such as Terrell Owens, Moss and Larry Fitzgerald showed up, it was always nice to have Shawn Springs on the field. Unfortunately, he now plays for the Pats. The best news for the Skins? They don't have to see Moss again -- unless it's in the Super Bowl. The good news for the defense is the three turnovers. In the second half, linebacker Rocky McIntosh made a superb play to tip the ball away from the tight end and allow LaRon Landry to go the other way. Also a really nice play on the ball by rookie corner Kevin Barnes. He's got some really good skills. This draft class is looking better all the time.

The Skins had 15 penalties for 113 yards? REALLY? Amid some of the positive aspects from this game, the penalties have to be driving Jim Zorn nuts. And you can't really pick on one unit. The defensive tackles may want to work on lining up in the right spots and you should start eliminating the false starts along the offensive line at this stage in the preseason. The 15-yard penalties will get you beat, and that's what happened when Hall grabbed Moss' facemask. The Skins' defense had a chance to get off the field at that point, but the penalty gave the Patriots another shot. You can't do that with one of the most potent offenses in the league.

There's no way in the world you can keep Marko Mitchell off the roster -- and why would you even try? He's big and he makes important catches. He froze a defender on a little hitch and go in the second half, and Colt Brennan found him for a 33-yard touchdown. Patriots cornerback Jamar Love never had a chance. The guy keeps getting in the end zone, and he's become perhaps the most pleasant surprise of the preseason for the Redskins. He offers what quarterbacks like to call a wide strike zone and he appears to be learning how to beat jams near the line of scrimmage. He could be a real threat near the goal line because of his body control and hands.

Colt Brennan didn't perform well enough to overtake Chase Daniel -- at least in my opinion: The same things that made Brennan one of the most prolific passers in the history of college football can also get him in big trouble. He's supremely confident and he thinks he can fit a ball into any space. But he has to be smarter when he's around the goal line. For the second time in as many games, Brennan made a horrible decision near the goal line. He forced a pass that was picked off by Jonathan Wilhite and returned 99 yards for a touchdown. Brennan tried the old "I was just trying to make a play" excuse after the game, but that doesn't hold water. He basically surrendered 10 points with that ill-advised throw -- seven to the Patriots and three that he took away from the Skins. I liked that he came right back with the touchdown to Mitchell, but it wasn't enough to overshadow the interception in my mind. I do like the way Brennan handles screens. He's athletic enough to spin away from trouble and dump the ball to Marcus Mason on the run. Not as easy as it looks.

Hated to see Mason get the bruised ribs in the fourth quarter. It's hard to recover from those when you're taking a lot of punishment at running back. I think Mason's put himself in position to challenge Ladell Betts for the backup role. He's more explosive than Betts in my mind, and he's a better change-of-pace back. Mason puts more pressure on defenses -- both on the ground and through the air -- than Betts.

Hello, Anthony Alridge!: I've been waiting to see this guy all preseason. The former University of Houston star -- as proud U of H alum Nantz noted several times -- has elite speed. He's only about 5-foot-9, but as you saw Friday night, no one can seem to get a clean shot on him. I know he was going against the Patriots' backups, but Alridge still popped off the screen. I hope the guy gets a shot. Last year, the Redskins didn't have enough depth at running back. But with Mason, Dominique Dorsey, Betts and Alridge, they look a lot better this season.

Does Chad Rinehart frustrate you guys as much as he does me? I thought he had his moments, but the guard just sort of looks lost at times. On a play in the second half, he let a Patriots defensive tackle race right past him. The player ended up being flagged for hitting Brennan too low. But that never happens if Rinehart does his job. It's like he never he even made an attempt at the guy. I'd hoped Rinehart would be a lot farther down the road at this point. Too many mental mistakes from what I'm seeing. Zorn will want to cut Rinehart after watching that play. Not saying he will, but the thought will cross his mind.

I'm not sure why Zorn doesn't run the ball inside the 10-yard line. In the second half, I kept wondering why Zorn wouldn't let Mason or Alridge have a chance to run the ball near the goal line. He seemed intent on letting Brennan find someone in the end zone. That would've been a good test for the offensive line to try to plow it in there.

Did the Skins not think the Patriots would blitz? In the second half, a linebacker for the Patriots (Guyton?) came clean from the right side. It's like the Redskins were shocked that Bill Belichick might send an extra rusher.

H.B. Blades is a bad man: How great was that stick he put on Fred Taylor? You don't want to get caught running high when Blades is anywhere around. He absolutely destroyed Taylor, causing him to spin in the air like a merry-go-round.

With 4:30 left in a meaningless games, I find myself shouting at Brennan: When your team's in field goal position, how in the world do you take a sack? This might have been the point when I actually knew Daniel would make the team ahead of Brennan. Just a bone-headed play right there. Once you've escaped the pocket and don't see anything, fling it out of bounds. That play set up Shaun Suisham's miss from 52 yards. Everyone can try to pile on my man Suisham, but that was all Brennan's fault.

What's the deal with the coverage? You're in a close game in the fourth quarter and you let Patrick Chung just shred the punt coverage unit? The punt certainly wasn't high enough (46 yards in length), but someone has to at least force Chung to make a move. He darts toward the sideline and coverage completely fell apart. Bad, bad play right there on special teams.

I'll be keeping my eye on the Cowboys and Giants this evening. Thanks for your continued interest.

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;581734][/B]

Yeah man damn those Kurt Warner,Tom Brady,Brett Favre and Peyton Manning types. Them and their stupid Super Bowl rings.
Not many Game managers win titles. Dilfer and Johnson are the exception but defenses like they had dont come along every season.[/quote]

When I said "gunslinger" in reference to Colt, I mentioned Favre/Romo. Favre being the career interception leader, and notoriously risky with ball, he is the "gunslinger" I think of first and foremost. And for all the success he had statistically, he only has 1 ring, for now. Romo maybe not as much, but I still see a bit of "gunslinger" in him as well. Kurt Warner I might put in that group, even though Im aware he did have a nice run last year(Fitz and Anquan didnt help at all :)). And even though he had an incredible game(31/43 377yds 3tds), he did have the one interception that Harrison returned for the TD. BTW, Steelers 27 Cardinals 23 so that one play had a huge outcome on the game, especially since it was returned from the Steeler 1yd line. He had a great run, but eventually taking risks will get you burned. Its the reason Im happy with Romo being the Cowgirls QB, I dont believe he can put 3-4 consistent games together back to back, especially against the elite teams in the playoffs.

And Id never put Manning/Brady in that group, because I have common sense. Brady two seasons ago 50tds/8ints, I dont think thats being risky. Early Manning was a bit risky(young & dumb), but these two have consistently had twice as many TD's than INT's.

I do love the throwing downfield to take defenders out of the box, this can only help. And maybe Im just an "old timer" like Gibbs...but if you run the ball well, play good defense and take care of the ball, you win games. Turnovers almost always make the little differences in games, and "gunslinger" isnt what I want.

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Shit if JC can just play at the level he did last night and the young Wr corp keeps developing nicely we can take the NFC East for sure, as long as the secondary also continues to improve.

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[quote=roth74va;581806]When I said "gunslinger" in reference to Colt, I mentioned Favre/Romo. Favre being the career interception leader, and notoriously risky with ball, he is the "gunslinger" I think of first and foremost. And for all the success he had statistically, he only has 1 ring, for now. Romo maybe not as much, but I still see a bit of "gunslinger" in him as well. Kurt Warner I might put in that group, even though Im aware he did have a nice run last year(Fitz and Anquan didnt help at all :)). And even though he had an incredible game(31/43 377yds 3tds), he did have the one interception that Harrison returned for the TD. BTW, Steelers 27 Cardinals 23 so that one play had a huge outcome on the game, especially since it was returned from the Steeler 1yd line. He had a great run, but eventually taking risks will get you burned. Its the reason Im happy with Romo being the Cowgirls QB, I dont believe he can put 3-4 consistent games together back to back, especially against the elite teams in the playoffs.

And Id never put Manning/Brady in that group, because I have common sense. Brady two seasons ago 50tds/8ints, I dont think thats being risky. Early Manning was a bit risky(young & dumb), but these two have consistently had twice as many TD's than INT's.

I do love the throwing downfield to take defenders out of the box, this can only help. And maybe Im just an "old timer" like Gibbs...but if you run the ball well, play good defense and take care of the ball, you win games[B]. Turnovers almost always make the little differences in games, and "gunslinger" isnt what I want.[/B][/quote]

One could argue that it was a "gunslinger's" turnover which cost us the game last night.

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[quote=JWsleep;581766]That is all because the o-line could protect. You just can't do 5-7 step drops with longer routes if you can't block.

It's funny how we football fans are: a few weeks back ALL we could talk about was the o-line troubles. Now, they play well and we all don't mention it (me included) and rave about JC and Zorn. Those plays can't occur without decent pass pro. Lord protect the health of the o-line!!!


(PS Yeah, the Pack looks good--my father-in-law keeps sending me texts gloating about it. Circle the Minn-GB games on your non-skins schedule!)[/quote]


And because the blocking has improved, the approach can be different. Without adaquate blocking it won't matter if it's 3-5-or 7 steps the results will be mixed. The approach to the passing game was what I was impressed with. There weren't any three yard completions on 3rd & 8.

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A Gun Slinger? Colt? Puh-lease. He can't throw the ball further 40 yards.

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[quote=Ruhskins;581570]Agreed. Too bad you won't hear this too much this week. Man, what are JC haters going to do this week? LOL.[/quote]

Yeah cuz one half of a preseason game makes up for a mediocre career, but in all seriousness he did look good yesterday. I was real happy to see Malcolm Kelly shine.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;581780]Not sure really, i just like the word penultimate, sounds cool :cool-smil[/quote]

Ok, penultimate means the one before the ultimate (the penultimate lap is the next to last lap) and IMO Peyton Manning is the ultimate game manager not the penultimate.

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I hope JC has a great year, but he still has to be consistent. I was pretty negative about him last week. Maybe he's getting Zorn's system down pat now. That interception that Colt threw at the goalline kind of messed things up, but I like both Brennan and Daniel. I'd hate to be the one deciding which one to cut I also like Collins as the #2 QB because of his experience. Marko is my man!

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;581630]Yeah man nevermind the long return allowed by the ST that let them start in fg range and the constant flags drawn by the backup Oline that killed drives. The FG had the distance but was wide. Its ALL Colts fault. Not sayin he was stellar but to blame the loss all on him is pretty harsh. How many penalty yards were there? how many return yards were given up? Zorn seemed pleased with his play except for the int.[/quote]
If I'm correct that int he threw (3rd one in three games and I believe the second in the red zone) was a 14 point swing or atleast a 10 point swing so yes Colt lost the game.

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[quote=Mattyk72;581565]Yeah I'm going to open this can of worms... Let's give it up for JC. Dude showed me tonight that he can flat out play.[/quote]

just getting back into country and catching up on last 2 games.After watching 2nd game first it sure was a relief to see JC pick it up in the 3rd game.I thought he had some great throws,some almost great throws and made good descisions,makes me more optimistic going into the season.
But Matty,I gotta call you out on that statement,I think you had been drinking and giddy from JC playing so well:laughing2
If your going to say" Dude showed me tonight that he can flat out play"after a preseason game,how would that be different than me or someone else saying"after his first 2 preseason games,"Dude showed me he aint worth a crap"?
jason had a good game and redskin nation is thankful and feeling a lot better now,keep it up Jason.
I also loved zorns playcalling,It was like Jason said,that dink and dunk stuff is for the birds.
Man I hope D Hall picks it up when season starts,that was just pathetic,pass rush is still not looking that great to me.
I too would like to see more of Aldridge,guys a burner.I know Portis likes to save it for the reg season so Im not that concerned,but he looks terrible

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[quote=firstdown;581839]If I'm correct that int he threw (3rd one in three games and I believe the second in the red zone) was a 14 point swing or atleast a 10 point swing so yes Colt lost the game.[/quote]

Well, that's ridiculous...Colt threw an AMAZING pass to mitchell for the td to nulify his pick-6. So no...he did NOT lose the game.
That being said, I was not impressed with Colt. He did not look good overall. He had a couple moments, but overall I'm not impressed...yes, I said it...I'm not impressed. I hope he still makes the team, I love the guy. But he is CERTAINLY leaving the door open for Chase.

On a side note, I do like what I saw out of Mason.

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[quote=htownskinfan;581872]just getting back into country and catching up on last 2 games.After watching 2nd game first it sure was a relief to see JC pick it up in the 3rd game.I thought he had some great throws,some almost great throws and made good descisions,makes me more optimistic going into the season.
But Matty,I gotta call you out on that statement,I think you had been drinking and giddy from JC playing so well:laughing2
If your going to say" Dude showed me tonight that he can flat out play"after a preseason game,how would that be different than me or someone else saying"after his first 2 preseason games,"Dude showed me he aint worth a crap"?
jason had a good game and redskin nation is thankful and feeling a lot better now,keep it up Jason.
I also loved zorns playcalling,It was like Jason said,that dink and dunk stuff is for the birds.
Man I hope D Hall picks it up when season starts,that was just pathetic,pass rush is still not looking that great to me.
I too would like to see more of Aldridge,guys a burner.I know Portis likes to save it for the reg season so Im not that concerned,but he looks terrible[/quote]

Hall will be fine. There's not a CB in the league that can handle Brady to Moss. You need to hurry Brady and pop the shit out of Moss after the catch. Otherwise, they will pick apart anyone.

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[quote=Lotus;581812]One could argue that it was a "gunslinger's" turnover which cost us the game last night.[/quote]

Agreed, for me it isnt just this one play, but a pattern that Ive seen over the last 3 games. Honestly, I think last season he was pretty aggressive with the ball as well, but they werent getting picked and taken back for 6. Its easy to fall in love with the "gunslinger" mentality(highrisk/highreward), I just dont think that adds up to a consistent winner.

[quote=saden1;581825]A Gun Slinger? Colt? Puh-lease. He can't throw the ball further 40 yards.[/quote]

Its not the distance he is throwing, its the holes he is trying to hit. And throwing directly through a defender isnt ever gonna work out well.

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[quote=44Deezel;581877]Hall will be fine. There's not a CB in the league that can handle Brady to Moss. [B] You need to hurry Brady and pop the shit out of Moss after the catch. Otherwise, they will pick apart anyone[/B].[/quote]

Hard to argue with that.

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[quote=jsarno;581876]Well, that's ridiculous...Colt threw an AMAZING pass to mitchell for the td to nulify his pick-6. So no...he did NOT lose the game.
That being said, I was not impressed with Colt. He did not look good overall. He had a couple moments, but overall I'm not impressed...yes, I said it...I'm not impressed. I hope he still makes the team, I love the guy. But he is CERTAINLY leaving the door open for Chase.

On a side note, I do like what I saw out of Mason.[/quote]

1) our offense scored 24 points, their offense scored 20. Their defense scored 7. I think it is justifiable to say that 7 points could be viewed as the swing in the game. Especially if you add in the fact that if the int had not been thrown, we would have most likely scored at least 3 (giving our offense 27 and theirs 20)).

2) This was the first game where Mason impressed me. He held his own against the first string, and on JC's TD run he had, what I thought was a nice chip block on a penetrating defender. Add that to DT's KR's and I might be going over to the dark side of calling for keeping Mason, and letting Rock go. Mea culpa.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;581883]1) our offense scored 24 points, their offense scored 20. Their defense scored 7. I think it is justifiable to say that 7 points could be viewed as the swing in the game. Especially if you add in the fact that if the int had not been thrown, we would have most likely scored at least 3 (giving our offense 27 and theirs 20)).

2) This was the first game where Mason impressed me. He held his own against the first string, and on JC's TD run he had, what I thought was a nice chip block on a penetrating defender. [B] Add that to DT's KR's and I might be going over to the dark side of calling for keeping Mason, and letting Rock go.[/B] Mea culpa.[/quote]

I'm leaning that way myself. Mason has stepped his game up and if it came down to it I would rather have him in the offense than Cartwright. DT probably has more big play potential than Cartwright and did a good job in his first game returning KO's.

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Skins looked good , However, they still need to grow some teeth and end a game when they are inside of 2 minutes. The plays called in the last procession was lacking. Three runs at the middle and punt. Throw one deep or across the middle. Why not go for the win inside of 2 minutes?
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[quote=htownskinfan;581872]just getting back into country and catching up on last 2 games.After watching 2nd game first it sure was a relief to see JC pick it up in the 3rd game.I thought he had some great throws,some almost great throws and made good descisions,makes me more optimistic going into the season.
[B]But Matty,I gotta call you out on that statement,I think you had been drinking and giddy from JC playing so well:laughing2
If your going to say" Dude showed me tonight that he can flat out play"after a preseason game,how would that be different than me or someone else saying"after his first 2 preseason games,"Dude showed me he aint worth a crap"?[/B]
jason had a good game and redskin nation is thankful and feeling a lot better now,keep it up Jason.
I also loved zorns playcalling,It was like Jason said,that dink and dunk stuff is for the birds.
Man I hope D Hall picks it up when season starts,that was just pathetic,pass rush is still not looking that great to me.
I too would like to see more of Aldridge,guys a burner.I know Portis likes to save it for the reg season so Im not that concerned,but he looks terrible[/quote]

I agree totally with the statement in bold. I said something along the same lines [URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/31520-redskins-performance-tonight-will-considered-failure-3.html#post580942"]right here[/URL].

The door swings both ways. Saying Jason can "flat out play" based on 1 half of a preseason game is on par with saying he isn't capable of leading the Skins based on his poor play in his first two appearances this year.

Can't really dismiss his poor play as "just the preseason," and then turn around and praise him for good play in that same preseason.

Whether or not the outcome of the game matters, his first two games this year worried and frustrated me, and last night's game was a nice change. He played well.

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[quote=htownskinfan;581872]just getting back into country and catching up on last 2 games.After watching 2nd game first it sure was a relief to see JC pick it up in the 3rd game.I thought he had some great throws,some almost great throws and made good descisions,makes me more optimistic going into the season.
But Matty,I gotta call you out on that statement,I think you had been drinking and giddy from JC playing so well:laughing2
If your going to say" Dude showed me tonight that he can flat out play"after a preseason game,how would that be different than me or someone else saying"after his first 2 preseason games,"Dude showed me he aint worth a crap"?
jason had a good game and redskin nation is thankful and feeling a lot better now,keep it up Jason.
I also loved zorns playcalling,It was like Jason said,that dink and dunk stuff is for the birds.
Man I hope D Hall picks it up when season starts,that was just pathetic,pass rush is still not looking that great to me.
I too would like to see more of Aldridge,guys a burner.I know Portis likes to save it for the reg season so Im not that concerned,but he looks terrible[/quote]

Different circumstances my friend. In the first 2 games he barely played, 13 passes over 2 games makes it kinda hard, and frankly a bit unfair to draw any hard conclusions about his play. Last night he finally had the chance to get into the flow of the game and with 22 attempts in 2+ quarters I think we got a much better idea of what he's capable of, along with the rest of the offense for that matter.

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[quote=Mattyk72;581898]Different circumstances my friend. In the first 2 games he barely played, 13 passes over 2 games makes it kinda hard, and frankly a bit unfair to draw any hard conclusions about his play. Last night he finally had the chance to get into the flow of the game and with 22 attempts in 2+ quarters I think we got a much better idea of what he's capable of, along with the rest of the offense for that matter.[/quote]

I get what you're saying. Plenty of folks around here were throwing him under the bus after the Balt and Pitt games. I totally agree that it's foolish to condemn him based on those two brief appearances.

Last night he played solid but unspectacular. His performance definitely made me feel better about what he's capable of, but I'm not drawing any decisive conclusions from it. It was one half of one preseason game. Saying that he can flat out play based on a game where he didn't even throw a TD is a bit of a stretch IMO. It did however show he's not nearly as bad as a lot of Warpathers think. If you can extrapolate that kind of performance out over an entire season, I think we'll have ourselves a very solid quarterback.

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[quote=firstdown;581839]If I'm correct that int he threw (3rd one in three games and I believe the second in the red zone) was a 14 point swing or atleast a 10 point swing so yes Colt lost the game.[/quote]

Yeah lets not bring up Green-Ellis doing whatever he wanted to our run D in the 2nd half. the numerous penalties that killed drives, the lack of pass protection by the backup Oline, the big return allowed towards the end while the ST has been horrid on coverage the whole preseason. And a 50 yd fg used to be a big deal 10 yrs ago now its the standard by which the good kickers are rated. Wide Left.
its all on perception. if we were driving in the final min and he throws the pick 6 then yes he lost it. but that was in the 3rd. If we were driving for a win and he throws a pass to get us within the 50yds as time is running out and the FG sailed wide you would want the kickers head on a stick. He threw the pick then he threw a td so its even. ST allows the returner to catch the ball on his side of the 50 and return it to the mid 20's i believe as he dragged our player for about the last 5 yds.Again, to put it on ONE man is just a lame excuse when the team as a whole didnt do very well in the 2nd.

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;581909]Yeah lets not bring up Green-Ellis doing whatever he wanted to our run D in the 2nd half. the numerous penalties that killed drives, the lack of pass protection by the backup Oline, the big return allowed towards the end while the ST has been horrid on coverage the whole preseason. And a 50 yd fg used to be a big deal 10 yrs ago now its the standard by which the good kickers are rated. Wide Left.
its all on perception. if we were driving in the final min and he throws the pick 6 then yes he lost it. but that was in the 3rd. If we were driving for a win and he throws a pass to get us within the 50yds as time is running out and the FG sailed wide you would want the kickers head on a stick. He threw the pick then he threw a td so its even. ST allows the returner to catch the ball on his side of the 50 and return it to the mid 20's i believe as he dragged our player for about the last 5 yds.Again, to put it on ONE man is just a lame excuse when the team as a whole didnt do very well in the 2nd.[/quote]

You are correct about the other failings of the team.

It is also true that Colt's foolish throw cost us 7-14 points. The foolish sack he took may have cost us another three points. All of this in a game which was won by three points.

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[quote=Mattyk72;581898]Different circumstances my friend. In the first 2 games he barely played, 13 passes over 2 games makes it kinda hard, and frankly a bit unfair to draw any hard conclusions about his play. Last night he finally had the chance to get into the flow of the game and with 22 attempts in 2+ quarters I think we got a much better idea of what he's capable of, along with the rest of the offense for that matter.[/quote]

your right about the circumstances and drawing any conclusions from the first 2 games,but you can also say the same thing about the 3rd game.Were not evaluating a rookie,weve had 3 yrs of Jason and to say from 1 preseason game you cant suddenly anoit greatness.{thats not exactly what your saying,but I think you know what I mean}We know JC can play,hes shown flashes of it,but the same thing could be said for a lot of qbs,I just think you got a little too excited about 1 preseason game,thats all I'm saying,and on the same token some people get too excited about his poor play in preseason,I dont think you can base any hard conclusions from any of the first 3 games.That said,JC's last game does raise my spirits and gives me hope for the season.
Just shelled out the bucks for directtvs sunday ticket and superfan package,so I'll be able to see the games in houston,and JC's last performance gives me hope that I didnt waste my money

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[quote=Lotus;581911]You are correct about the other failings of the team.

It is also true that Colt's foolish throw cost us 7-14 points. The foolish sack he took may have cost us another three points. All of this in a game which was won by three points.[/quote]

do you think if JC had thrown that INT, or taken a sack, we still would have been hearing about the other failings? :rolleyes:

Obviously other areas need improved, but to say CBs didn't directly affect the outcome is a little disingenuous.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;581915]do you think if JC had thrown that INT, or taken a sack, we still would have been hearing about the other failings? :rolleyes:

Obviously other areas need improved, but to say CBs didn't directly affect the outcome is a little disingenuous.[/quote]

Im not sayin he was stellar but to say one man lost the game with everything else that happened is pretty harsh. yeah the sack hurt but its not like the kick was impossible. and like JZ said that is all sumed up to lack of experience.

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CB most [B]definitely[/B] contributed to the loss. When he threw that INT I felt like I had been punched in the stomach. That was an extremely bad decision and it cost the team. That being said I thought he did a great job of coming back with the TD to Mitchell. Considering that any momentum we had going completely died on that play, I was pretty impressed with the way he regrouped and didn't lay down. The throw to Mitchell couldn't have been thrown any better if Brady had thrown it. Mitchell made and adjustment on that play because the defense was busted and took off toward the goal-line. Colt saw it and threw a perfect pass. Given the chance I think he'll learn and get better. Of course that's JMO.

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;581916]Im not sayin he was stellar but to say one man lost the game with everything else that happened is pretty harsh. yeah the sack hurt but its not like the kick was impossible. and like JZ said that is all sumed up to lack of experience.[/quote]

Let me ask you, IF it had been JC who, rather than running the TD in, tried to hit Kelly behind the 4 defenders there and had either an incomplete, or a INT for a TD, would you be arguing so passionately that the rest of the team should shoulder the blame, or would we have heard the clamor for his being replaced. What if he had thrown two bad interceptions in back to back games.

That is the problem with your defense of Colt, not that the other areas weren't at fault, but that you seem to be arguing for a guy who has not proven anything, and at the same time slam JC for his perceived failings, even though JC has done nothing this preseason to show he has regressed.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;581920]Let me ask you, IF it had been JC who, rather than running the TD in, tried to hit Kelly behind the 4 defenders there and had either an incomplete, or a INT for a TD, would you be arguing so passionately that the rest of the team should shoulder the blame, or would we have heard the clamor for his being replaced. What if he had thrown two bad interceptions in back to back games.

That is the problem with your defense of Colt, not that the other areas weren't at fault, but that you seem to be arguing for a guy who has not proven anything, and at the same time slam JC for his perceived failings, even though JC has done nothing this preseason to show he has regressed.[/quote]

Are you saying his constant bashing of JC has made his opinion on other QB's and who's to blame for losses somewhat suspect? :)

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[quote=53Fan;581922]Are you saying his constant bashing of JC has made his opinion on other QB's and who's to blame for losses somewhat suspect? :)[/quote]

LOL, yeah that pretty much sums it up.

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Yeah i realize you are right, lets cut this guy NOW so we can move on.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;581883]1) our offense scored 24 points, their offense scored 20. Their defense scored 7. I think it is justifiable to say that 7 points could be viewed as the swing in the game. Especially if you add in the fact that if the int had not been thrown, we would have most likely scored at least 3 (giving our offense 27 and theirs 20)).

2) This was the first game where Mason impressed me. He held his own against the first string, and on JC's TD run he had, what I thought was a nice chip block on a penetrating defender. Add that to DT's KR's [B]and I might be going over to the dark side of calling for keeping Mason, and letting Rock go. Mea culpa.[/quote][/B]

In the words of Hulk Hogan....."Come on over to Masonmania brother." ;)

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[quote=53Fan;581919]CB most [B]definitely[/B] contributed to the loss. When he threw that INT I felt like I had been punched in the stomach. That was an extremely bad decision and it cost the team. That being said I thought he did a great job of coming back with the TD to Mitchell. Considering that any momentum we had going completely died on that play, I was pretty impressed with the way he regrouped and didn't lay down. The throw to Mitchell couldn't have been thrown any better if Brady had thrown it. Mitchell made and adjustment on that play because the defense was busted and took off toward the goal-line. Colt saw it and threw a perfect pass. [B]Given the chance I think he'll learn and get better. Of course that's JMO.[/B][/quote]

I respectfully (potentially) disagree. In his postgame comments Colt said that he should have led the receiver more on his pick, as if the problem was that he needs to be more Superman. However, the lesson to be learned was that he never should have thrown that ball to begin with. He has made other comments in which he seems to miss the point of what is going on around him.

Some folks are too arrogant to ever learn. Look at Favre - he still sometimes makes stupid rookie throws. I hope that I am wrong about Colt but he makes few comments which lead me to believe that he has the humility to learn.

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[quote=Lotus;581929]I respectfully (potentially) disagree. In his postgame comments Colt said that he should have led the receiver more on his pick. However, the lesson to be learned was that he never should have thrown that ball to begin with. Some folks are too arrogant to ever learn. Look at Favre - he still sometimes makes stupid rookie throws. I hope that I am wrong about Colt but he makes few comments which lead me to believe that he has the humility to learn.[/quote]

You could be right Lotus. I guess there's a fine line between confidence and arrogance. Sometimes these type of things can help one see the difference, hopefully it will with Colt. I would give him more time myself. He really hasn't played alot since he's been here. He doesn't play scared (but he does need to be more cautious) and he is pretty accurate. I'm just not ready to give up on him. I think Zorn can get through to him, Hassleback has seemed pretty arrogant at times too.

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[quote=53Fan;581933]You could be right Lotus. I guess there's a fine line between confidence and arrogance. Sometimes these type of things can help one see the difference, hopefully it will with Colt. I would give him more time myself. He really hasn't played alot since he's been here. He doesn't play scared (but he does need to be more cautious) and he is pretty accurate. I'm just not ready to give up on him. I think Zorn can get through to him, Hassleback has seemed pretty arrogant at times too.[/quote]

You are correct. And I'm not giving up on him, either. I'm "concerned," though.

confidence: I can get the job done well but I'd like to do even better
arrogance: I can get the job done well so get out of my face with your criticism

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[quote=Lotus;581934]You are correct. And I'm not giving up on him, either. [B]I'm "concerned," though[/B].

confidence: I can get the job done well but I'd like to do even better
arrogance: I can get the job done well so get out of my face with your criticism[/quote]

Understandably. That was a very, very bad decision to throw that ball that went for the INT. He just needs to understand that instead of throwing it better, sometimes it's better to throw it away or not throw it at all. If he [B]doesn't[/B] get to that point, he'll never make it as a pro QB.