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[quote=GTripp0012;588229]We stopped running the ball? Really?

When Clinton Portis got his 16th carry, Campbell had 18 pass attempts. Exactly what are you supposed to do when he's plunging into the line for a yard per play?

We put the ball in Campbell's hands, and scored rather easily. They were very understaffed in the secondary.[/quote]
Running Left was.....inconsistent. Run right was a......disaster. Except for the mercy TD late, the passing game did not get it done. We have some work to do to say the least.
I think the best thing to come of it is the realization that we do not need a tremendous Offensive showing to be in these games.
Our D had us in it. They allowed 17? against one of the best teams in the league and probably the BEST O-line. That could have been......MUCH worse.....HTTR

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[quote=saden1;588250]You need to pound the ball with CP early and often and get Betts off the field.[/quote]

What game were you watching, CP couldnt do squat outside of the first run. I can help but think that has something to do with him not playing in the preseason....and our O-line is pathetic.

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[quote=GTripp0012;588244]Obviously the game is really about taking knees. The team that takes the most knees wins like 98% of the time.[/quote]

If only that worked in the first 3qts of the game.

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[quote=saden1;588260]If only that worked in the first 3qts of the game.[/quote]You mean like running Portis?

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[quote=roth74va;588258]What game were you watching, CP couldnt do squat outside of the first run. I can help but think that has something to do with him not playing in the preseason....and our O-line is pathetic.[/quote]

I was watching the game and to me it seemed like CP didn't get many touches. He broke a big one, no reason to believe he can't do it again. Skins abandoned the run. They certainly didn't.

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[quote=GTripp0012;588261]You mean like running Portis?[/quote]

How does his knee taking compare to that of the Giants running game?

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[quote=saden1;588268]How does his knee taking compare to that of Giants running game?[/quote]Favorably to Jacobs, unfavorably to Bradshaw.

In all honesty the Giants probably should have taken advantage of our shitty secondary more than they did as well. Jacobs didn't need 16 carries, but you know what, they made an adjustment and went to Bradshaw and then could run the ball.

I'm not saying that going to Betts was any answer, but an adjustment was needed.

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[quote=saden1;588265]I was watching the game and to me it seemed like CP didn't get many touches. He broke a big one, no reason to believe he can't do it again. Skins abandoned the run. They certainly didn't.[/quote]

Dude your tripping, all CP all the time!!! Anyone got the stats how many carries he had in the first half, and subtract the 1st carry, it isnt gonna be pretty. I dont think its all his fault, the O-line was pathetic, but he had his chances thats for sure! And once your losing by multiple scores you gotta start throwing the ball!!!

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From My perspective (Reed Doughty).

Same bullshit, another year. No ice, no chaser, strait up corn liquor. Damn it burns doesn't it? There's no need to analyze anything.

Santana Moss needs to be benched or traded. Eff Moss.

I'm not the one to bash JC, but if he can't lead this team to victory over the G-men then eff him too. He chickened out with that run play when we needed that first down and his game management stinks. Collins can beat them, so could Ramsey.

I (Reed Doughty) have a high motor, but I, nor can the rest of the defense play for 7/8ths of a game.

The defense is going to be drinking warm beer tonight on the way back home. At least it's beer. We threw a humble pie on the floor of the offense's bus. Let them do an interview about that!

My agent tells me that after my one year contract is up, I stand a chance of going to a good team, like Baltimore.

Coffee is for closers byatches!

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;588281]From My perspective (Reed Doughty).

Same bullshit, another year. No ice, no chaser, strait up corn liquor. Damn it burns doesn't it? There's no need to analyze anything.

Santana Moss needs to be benched or traded. Eff Moss.

I'm not the one to bash JC, but if he can't lead this team to victory over the G-men then eff him too. He chickened out with that run play when we needed that first down and his game management stinks. Collins can beat them, so could Ramsey.

I (Reed Doughty) have a high motor, but I, nor can the rest of the defense play for 7/8ths of a game.

The defense is going to be drinking warm beer tonight on the way back home. At least it's beer. We threw a humble pie on the floor of the offense's bus. Let them do an interview about that!

My agent tells me that after my one year contract is up, I stand a chance of going to a good team, like Baltimore.

Coffee is for closers byatches![/quote]

Ummmmmm........

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In my opinion and everyone entiitled to their own opinion but this is a stupid Thread it's only been one game. I'm as mad as anyone but when you watch the game tomorrow you will see Offensively we didn't play that bad. It's the first game i even have to say it the giants are an elite team we will get them at our house wait and see.

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On the whole JC actually played pretty well. On the Osi fumble play, JC needed to step up. On the interception, JC combined indecisiveness with foolhardiness. Otherwise, however, he was good at finding the open man and delivering the ball on target.

What JC did not have was help from the running game. Whereas the pass protection was not too bad, the run blocking was just awful. And, outside of one run, on the rare occasions when the holes were there, our backs did not take advantage.

JC also did not have help from the defense. Our tackling was just horrible and the secondary gave up too many opportunities in the middle of the field. I'm not sure that Laron Landry, for all of his talent, "gets it" yet.

We have at least 15 more games. Let's hope that some of these problems are fixed the rest of the way.

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Here's the other thing: in the first half (second quarter), the offense we ran was very, very different from anything we ran last season. In the second half, it was nearly identical to what we ran all of last season.

But that's the difference this year: we can rely on our receivers to beat the DBs. Last year, it was defensible to try to take the game out of the hands of the receivers. This year, you have to let them make plays downfield.

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[quote=GTripp0012;588096]Campbell threw for 8.11 YPA and 73% completion.

He also turned the ball over twice.

If you can't win with that kind of QB production, you're never going to win. [B]If Zorn doesn't adopt a more pass-heavy offensive philosophy, it's hard to see them scoring more points then they did today[/B].[/quote]

I almost didn't even read this thread. Because of the title, I didn't expect anything intelligent to be said, just a lot of hatin'. Then GTripp had to write this ^. The Giants set themselves up to stop the run and had a depleted secondary. When Campbell did pass, he was pretty successful. The INT was a poor decision but that DB couldn't make that play again to save his ass. ARE had a great game but where was Kelly, DT, Mitchell, Davis? From what I saw we rarely had any 3 WR sets. At some point Zorn is going to have to take the reigns off and let these guys play.

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[quote=53Fan;588326]I almost didn't even read this thread. Because of the title, I didn't expect anything intelligent to be said, just a lot of hatin'. Then GTripp had to write this ^. The Giants set themselves up to stop the run and had a depleted secondary. When Campbell did pass, he was pretty successful. The INT was a poor decision but that DB couldn't make that play again to save his ass. ARE had a great game but where was Kelly, DT, Mitchell, Davis? From what I saw we rarely had any 3 WR sets. At some point Zorn is going to have to take the reigns off and let these guys play.[/quote]

Sometimes it's hard to be optimistic bro.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;588333]Sometimes it's hard to be optimistic bro.[/quote]

It's one game Tramp. How many other teams would have gone into the Giants stadium and won on opening day? Some maybe but certainly not the majority of teams. We'll make corrections just like last year. For some reason we seem to use the first game as a "Learning Experience". Someone needs to tell Coach the first game counts too. I wasn't crazy about running when we should have been passing.

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I didn't think O-line protection was all that bad today. There were a few times when Jason was pressured, but overall, it seemed he had time to throw. I think the bigger problem was that too often there wasn't anyone open other than Cooley and Randle El underneath.

Did anybody else notice how it was Portis off left tackle on pretty much every running play? The first one worked for 34 yards, but man, they kept trying that play for the rest of the game and it just wasn't there.

Offensively, there's still no cohesion and it just doesn't look like our players are getting Zorn's system. And I don't think Zorn even knows what Zorn's system is. I said this a few weeks ago, but this offense is suffering from an identity crisis.

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well, after listening to fox nfl sunday show, they seem pretty sure that shannahan will be our next coach or dallas's...lets ask this question midway through the season.

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[quote=53Fan;588326]I almost didn't even read this thread. Because of the title, I didn't expect anything intelligent to be said, just a lot of hatin'. Then GTripp had to write this ^. The Giants set themselves up to stop the run and had a depleted secondary. When Campbell did pass, he was pretty successful. The INT was a poor decision but that DB couldn't make that play again to save his ass. ARE had a great game but where was Kelly, DT, Mitchell, Davis? From what I saw we rarely had any 3 WR sets. At some point Zorn is going to have to take the reigns off and let these guys play.[/quote]

Good post.. I was wondering same thing about the playcalling, as well.. I'm sort of excited about ARE moving back to slot position, it seems he's doing very well.. He definitely will have good season if the 1st game was just the beginning.. I sure hope to see a LOT more of Kelly, Thomas and Davis later throughout the season..

As for Zorn; all I can say that I guess his inexperience of coaching shows.. Zorn obviously has the characters to be successful coach, but perhaps jumping to coach from QB coach instead of O coordinator is too much..

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[quote=53Fan;588354]It's one game Tramp. How many other teams would have gone into the Giants stadium and won on opening day? Some maybe but certainly not the majority of teams. We'll make corrections just like last year. For some reason we seem to use the first game as a "Learning Experience". Someone needs to tell Coach the first game counts too. I wasn't crazy about running when we should have been passing.[/quote]

EXACTLY.............AND we went to there house and played them toe to toe. It was not a route, but rather a.........semi-competative game. Not to many teams will be able to say that at the end of the season against these guys. We will improvise, adapt and overcome!
HAIL TO THE REDSKINS............
It really will be ok.....

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[quote=warriorzpath;588138][B]It's hard to win when the qb throws an interception putting the opposing team in great field position (eventually leading to a td) AND fumbles,[/B] which is returned for a td.

That's 14 out of 23 points that Campbell's mistakes directly can be blamed for. There's no excusing that.[/quote]

didn't Eli do exactly the same thing and our offense didn't capitalize?

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[quote=hondakiller;588204] Also, it's one game but this year's secondary has me very concerned. HIT AND WRAP TACKLING KIDS. I swear Landry should have to run laps everytime he goes for a big hit and misses instead of a solid tackle.[/quote]

Quoted for Mother F**king Truth.

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[quote=wilsowilso;588197]I gotta disagree. They gave JC really good protection at times today and I think our running backs had an awful game.[/quote]

I gotta agree here, was I the only one that saw Portis constantly running into his lead block, that was weird

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[quote=GridIron26;588367]Good post.. I was wondering same thing about the playcalling, as well.. I'm sort of excited about ARE moving back to slot position, it seems he's doing very well.. He definitely will have good season if the 1st game was just the beginning.. I sure hope to see a LOT more of Kelly, Thomas and Davis later throughout the season..

As for Zorn; all I can say that I guess his inexperience of coaching shows.. Zorn obviously has the characters to be successful coach, but perhaps jumping to coach from QB coach instead of O coordinator is too much..[/quote]

Obviously? Do tell.

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Since I didn't get to watch the game, maybe I'm a little more pleased than most. The NFC Beast is the hardest division in football, and the G-spots are on top of the division. I didn't get to check the score after the fake FG, and we were down 0-17 before that. Looking at the stats, JC had a decent game against one of the most dominate front four in the league. I did notice a lot of 10-15 yard plays going for the Giants, but it really looks like we clamped down on them the second half.

Bottom line: It's game one of a long season and if we stayed close with the Giants, we can run with any team in the league.

Observation: Two seasons ago we couldn't finish a game to save our lives, I hope this years problem isn't starting the game slow. HTTR!!!! Semper Fidelis!!!!

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In the meantime, in the first half, Cutler is 5/16 with 3 INTs. But we'd be a lot better off with him for sure.

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I know there are a lot of anti-Campbell fans out there and he didn't play a great game but to put any more than about 15% of the blame on him is just dumb. He was careless with the ball on the fumble and should have just tucked and ran out of bounds on the INT but to say he looked 'confused' and 'deer in the headlights' and 'lost'? C'mon guys, let's get real.

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[quote=Paintrain;588407]I know there are a lot of anti-Campbell fans out there and he didn't play a great game but to put any more than about 15% of the blame on him is just dumb. [B] He was careless with the ball on the fumble and should have just tucked and ran out of bounds on the INT but to say he looked 'confused' and 'deer in the headlights' and 'lost'? C'mon guys, let's get real.[/B][/quote]

Exactly. His rating was over 90 and his completed 73% of his passes. He wasn't the problem today.

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[quote=saden1;588224]The problem was we stopped running the ball and they didn't. They averaged 3.3 yards per run and we averaged 4.0 yards per run. You don't give 16 touches to Clinton. This whole Betts on third down needs to be scrapped. I mean he was for -1 yards for god sake. I would rather take my chances with CP breaking one than Betts.[/quote]
When did we stop running the ball?!? Did you watch the game? All we DID was run the ball!! When you are down 2 scores for most of the game that's not a time to pound the rock. We need to become a pass first offense. If you want to protect and maximize our offensive line, quit being so predictable. We were run, run, pass all day long. Want to set your QB up to get killed? Put him in 3rd and long after 2 failed runs.

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I can tell you I doubt DS is going to do anything drastic during the season. It kills me to no end wondering why owners cut a HC mid season. What is that supposed to accomplish? Then make the new HC do what? Change the scheme? That won't happen it takes to much time to start a whole new offense. Unless you writing off the season and you know new HC's offense is better and will stick.

No Zorn is here for the season. Either he gets this fixed or he's gone.

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[quote=GTripp0012;588208]I'm not normally one to jump on Zorn, but unquestionably, the biggest matchup advantage we had all game long was our 2nd, 3rd, and 4th receivers, against a gaggle of poor defensive backs who barely should be in the league. What did we do? We ran the ball into the teeth of their defense.

If Zorn's going to play like that, he needs the quarters to be 40 minutes each. Otherwise, he wastes half the game running Portis into no space.[/quote]

Yes. Yes. Yes. I said this all game long. The Giants were missing two CBs today...we should have been picking them apart through the air but after Jason goes 8/11 (with a few bad decisions) Zorn went away from the pass completely. BUT...the only thing i can think is Zorn really doesn't like what he's seeing from the WR corp in live play. I think I see it two. They're routes are mostly awful and there's very little separation. I hate to be the broken record but things keep pointing back to Hixon...his group (i mean the guys he's supposed to have developed, not ARL and Moss who he acquired) are just not NFL caliber. I'm tired of the excuses for that, period.

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Seriously guys? Jason's stats were very close to Eli's. What I don't understand is, last year, the guy is super conservative, throws very few INT's, and the complaint is "Jason doesn't take chances, the dink and dunk isn't going to get it done".

Today his turnovers are held out as proof he cost us the game, but surely him holding that ball forever and a day is not because he was looking to throw a 2 yard dumpoff pass. He was looking to take a shot and waited too long. It happens.

I know everyone is tired of me pointing at Jay Cutler but homes is looking fantastic right now, with 3 picks already. Granted, Sanchez had a solid game but come on, it was the Texans :)

Jason didn't have a great game, to be sure. But this game was not on him. How many third and longs did we allow NY to convert in the first half? How many times did we call predictable, vanilla run plays on 1st and 2nd down? How many tackles did we totally whiff on in the secondary? And don't get me started on the ARE reverse.

I predict that the team will lose a couple more games before Zorn says "Eff it" and throws caution to the wind. Then we'll win a couple of games and surprise some people. But it will probably be too little, too late.

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[quote=44Deezel;588396]Obviously? Do tell.[/quote]

He works with coaches well.. He works with players well (I think?) He stands in his own position, doesn't bend down for any players.. And beside, don't you ever get the vibe from him that he could be a good one..

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I know this sounds like a homer statement but the best team lost today.

The 4th and 1 play by Haynesworth was out of this world....

His talent is out of this world.

The Giants will lose in Washington and we are a legitimate contender in the division even though I am frightened by the Eagles.

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[quote=The Goat;588438]Yes. Yes. Yes. I said this all game long. The Giants were missing two CBs today...we should have been picking them apart through the air but after Jason goes 8/11 (with a few bad decisions) Zorn went away from the pass completely. BUT...the only thing i can think is Zorn really doesn't like what he's seeing from the WR corp in live play. I think I see it two. They're routes are mostly awful and there's very little separation. I hate to be the broken record but things keep pointing back to Hixon...his group (i mean the guys he's supposed to have developed, not ARL and Moss who he acquired) are just not NFL caliber. I'm tired of the excuses for that, period.[/quote]

I think the answer is much clearer (and less Hixon focused) than you'd like to believe. Zorn is in over his head and his stubbornness will probably cost him his job.

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Juggernaut is right...Campbell is pathetic. Missed passes,looks scared, he is not our franchise QB!!! Zorn is an idiot, he has now idea how to run a football team. He would be a nice QB coach, THAT's IT!!! It's time to stop our excuses for Campbell, oh new OC, o new system, new this new that....how about he is just NOT that good!!!!!! At best we are an 8-8 team!!! If you can live with that, then you can live with Campbell and Zorn, I can't!!!!

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[quote=GMScud;588415]Exactly. His rating was over 90 and his completed 73% of his passes. He wasn't the problem today.[/quote]

Uh yeah, a costly pick and a fumble return for a TD isn't a problem. But I generally agree with you JC wasn't the main problem at all, but he was a part of it.

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JC had good stats pretty much on two drives that were in 2 minute mode at the end of each half. Take those out of the equation and he was average. Why we can't have drives like the two for TDs for more than emergencies is beyond me.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;588281]From My perspective (Reed Doughty).

Same bullshit, another year. No ice, no chaser, strait up corn liquor. Damn it burns doesn't it? There's no need to analyze anything.

Santana Moss needs to be benched or traded. Eff Moss.

I'm not the one to bash JC, but if he can't lead this team to victory over the G-men then eff him too. He chickened out with that run play when we needed that first down and his game management stinks. Collins can beat them, so could Ramsey.

I (Reed Doughty) have a high motor, but I, nor can the rest of the defense play for 7/8ths of a game.

The defense is going to be drinking warm beer tonight on the way back home. At least it's beer. We threw a humble pie on the floor of the offense's bus. Let them do an interview about that!

My agent tells me that after my one year contract is up, I stand a chance of going to a good team, like Baltimore.

Coffee is for closers byatches![/quote]

DUDE WTF are you smoking??? stop drinking and go to bed

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[quote=beanpot143;588458]Juggernaut is right...Campbell is pathetic. Missed passes,looks scared, he is not our franchise QB!!! Zorn is an idiot, he has now idea how to run a football team. He would be a nice QB coach, THAT's IT!!! It's time to stop our excuses for Campbell, oh new OC, o new system, new this new that....how about he is just NOT that good!!!!!! At best we are an 8-8 team!!! If you can live with that, then you can live with Campbell and Zorn, I can't!!!![/quote]
Then enjoy the foliage or join a Sunday book club. Exactly what were you bringing to this thread?