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If I were Blache, I think I would start FINING anyone who tries to "chip" instead of a REAL tackle that actually puts the ball carrier on the ground...........Killing us

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D didn't play great and they obviously were on the field too long. Can't say they were a total disappointment though. The Giants have probably the best OL in the league and Manning is craftier than people give him credit for.

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I didn't expect the Skins to win, but I did expect them to play disciplined, mistake free football with some attitude. Were my expectations too high?

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[quote=saden1;588607]Lets do the math:

Giants scored 23 pts, the defense gave up 16 pts of those points and the offense gave up 7 pts. The offense scored 17 points.

If no offensive turnover the score would be 17-16 Skins.[/quote]

I agree what you saying, but the Manning committed the same two offensive turnovers and the Giants still won. I think what GTripp is trying to say is the defense might be plagued with the same issues it was last year, not being able to score off defensive turnovers. It is still too early to tell. That was the purpose of paying someone like AH 100 mil so the defensive will cause the QB to fumble/throw int and sometimes even score off those turnovers. I think he is blame the scheme more than placing the blame on players.

The real question is why in the last couple of years do the skins have to play perfect football to win games.

JC and some of the defensive players get some of the blame with poor decision making. To me 95% of the blame goes to Zorn and Blache. They both called a horrible game and didn't do much to put the players in a position to win. If they would have called better plays/scheme they could have easily beat the Giants. Zorn set the tone(really lost the game) of the game the minute he wanted A.R. to throw a pass to Moss instead of Campbell or running the ball. A.R gets sacked and they lose 10 yards after Portis gain 30 yds(I think). Imagine if they would have scored a td during that possession. It would have be 7-3 skins and I think game would have had a different momentum and outcome.

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I wouldnt say that they were that bad. Last I checked most teams score 10-14 points in 2 red-zone trips, not 3. They could have started out 14 nothing then got the other 14 points and been up 31-7 at the half. Chris Horton was playing way to far up on a lot of plays, but the rest of the defensive backs were fine.

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[quote=Mattyk72;588708]D didn't play great and they obviously were on the field too long. Can't say they were a total disappointment though. The Giants have probably the best OL in the league and Manning is craftier than people give him credit for.[/quote]

Crafty is a good way to describe him. He's nowhere near the elite QB that some people claim he is, but he makes an efficient play when he needs to.

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I guess I could nit pick a few things but the biggest thing that stands out was allowing the Giants to have that long drive in the 4th. Still the D held them to only 16 points and stuffed them in the red zone twice. This loss is on the O.

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The DBs are playing to far off the WRs. D. Hall is getting roasted almost ever play. Should have kept springs. D-Line has to get more pressure, Orakpo needs to be @ DE not linebacker

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[quote=GTripp0012;588627]I'm not in disagreement with you on what's ailing the offense. I thought that was established.

[B]The big problem with the defense is never, ever going to be any more evident than it was today. We had one three and out. Then the two turnover drives. THE GIANTS DID NOT PUT THEIR PUNTER ON THE FIELD UNTIL THE MIDDLE OF THE THIRD QUARTER.[/B]

We won't know for 5 weeks or so just how much of our defensive struggles today were because the Giants are a great passing team. Maybe none. Maybe a lot. But considering how thoroughly dominated we were through the air on defense, I don't see how anyone could not see the giant gaping hole on the team.

And no, the offense was not perfect. They made two costly errors, and couldn't open up any running lanes. But the passing game was the only thing that worked today.[/quote]

You have to give the Giants some credit though instead of simply blaming the defense. Their o-line is outstanding and outside of Haynesworth we've got average players on our d-line. We simply can not pressure Manning with 4 guys. But if you would tell me that we'd give up 16 I'd take it.

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[quote=itvnetop;588673]I agree that the NYG receivers are really underrated- only because their combined years experience is so low. Smith has been one of the best route runners I've seen since college- and he rarely ever drops a ball. Hixon is up and coming and Nicks seems to have been a steal in the draft.

But our secondary play was the pits yesterday... sloppy tackling, bad angles, nonsensical scheme ([B]or maybe our guys are just playing to headhunt/make big plays[/B]).[/quote]

Bingo We Have A Winner

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The defense did an okay job against a very good offense. However, with the additions of Haynesworth and Orakpo, I expected more. The defense failed to consistently pressure Manning, had trouble containing off-tackle runs, and made sloppy mistakes (e.g., missing tackles). I hope it rebounds.


BTW, it's just week 1 and I expect this stat to improve dramatically, but the defense is currently the 19th ranked defense.

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My biggest disappointments from the D:

1. Orakpo was almost never mentioned - he needs to be rushing the QB far more than he did yesterday. Dropping him in coverage on obvious passing downs is a waste of his ability to pressure the QB.

2. Hall looked lost at times in coverage. Our DB's give far too much cushion to opposing WRs. I miss Springs playing press coverage and getting physical with opposing WRs

3. Pass rush on 3rd down, or lack thereof. It didn't seem that our front four could get to Eli, even on 3rd and long. That said, the defensive stands on 3rd/4th and 1 plays was very impressive. Haynesworth beat a double team to make the stop on the 4th and 1 inside the 5. Hopefully the pass rush follows suit in the coming weeks.

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The absolute bottom line is the offense needs to produce. Point-blank, thats it, no excuses. Everybody, JC, Zorn, recievers, line. That performance yesterday was garbage. Plain and simple. Everyone who plays O deserves to shoulder the blame. The excuses of JC under another new offense, Zorn is a first year head coach he will improve, the oline will be better, all that is gone. The offense should be better than last year. In order to win in this division is you got to score. Anybody see the points Cowboys and Eagles scored yesterday? The mistakes have to end or Zorn and Campbell are gone-bottom line and thats not my opinion, that is reality. Snyder isnt going to wait on Zorn. Now everyone wants to point fingers at the Defense. I have a sh*t-ton more faith in Blache and the Defensive than Zorn and the Offensive. That secondary is basically the same from last year when the Defense was 4th in the league and our D-line players have greatly improved. Now the D didnt play great yesterday BUT they provided opportunities for the crap offense and they did NOTHING. I dont need to provide stats to back up what I saw yesterday on offense, anybody who watched saw we were shut down. Toss that game ending touchdown out the window, that is not a factor. We are only as good as a last game. Not too good.

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Taken from the Skins blog. [B]Positives[/B]
[B]solid work from some of the less-heralded defenders, including Lorenzo Alexander, Rocky McIntosh, and Reed Doughty [/B]
That's right, Reed Doughty. Recognize!

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[quote=jdot26;588310]I really don't like blache.. everybody think he's a good dc.. but he never brings pressure and corners be 10 yards away from the wideouts he has to play bump and bring heat up the middel or we are going to ate up all day.. that's the only reason d hall look so bad.. because he was so far off the wideout.. I just don't like are scheme at all on defense.. if we don't do any changes then we are really in for a long season[/quote]

I agree with you, the defense is a product of the Blache scheme, and hes always one step behind the offense...When Zorn and Campbell get shipped, include Blache on the flight!!!!

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;588880]Taken from the Skins blog. [B]Positives[/B]
[B]solid work from some of the less-heralded defenders, including Lorenzo Alexander, Rocky McIntosh, and Reed Doughty [/B]
That's right, Reed Doughty. Recognize![/quote]

People aren't bashing Doughty nearly as much as they use to are they? He's solid in there. A bright spot.

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Doughty is remembered for getting beaten deep by 1) Terrell Owens, and 2) Larry Fitzgerald. But that's not his game. What he does do, he's actually been very good at.

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I wasn't that disappointed in the defense. They gave up 16 points and forced two TO's. They gave us the ball on the 8 yard line and our offense clammed up just like last year.

Please take into account that Eli Manning has become a very good qb able to elude the pass rush enough to find an open man and sqeeze it in there. I was impressed on a few occasions. He's not elite but he's good enough to make plays, and god am i tired of wondering that about our QB. He also did a good job of getting rid of the ball on our blitz.

I thought AH had a good game even though people on the radio were bashing him...? LF=awesome.

Keep in mind NY's offensive line is maybe the best in football.

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[quote=GTripp0012;588889]Doughty is remembered for getting beaten deep by 1) Terrell Owens, and 2) Larry Fitzgerald. But that's not his game. What he does do, he's actually been very good at.[/quote]

He had a great pre-season and looked solid yesterday. He's not blessed with the athletic ability of Landry but one thing he has that Landry hasn't, is maturity. I refrained myself from saying smarts.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;588790]The defense did an okay job against a very good offense. However, with the additions of Haynesworth and Orakpo, I expected more. The defense failed to consistently pressure Manning, had trouble containing off-tackle runs, and made sloppy mistakes (e.g., missing tackles). I hope it rebounds.


BTW, it's just week 1 and I expect this stat to improve dramatically, but the defense is currently the 19th ranked defense.[/quote]

I think one of the major reasons why the redskins are not doing well against the off-tackle runs - Orakpo seems to be hesitant at the linebacker spot.

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I though, overall, give the superiority of the Giants Oline, they actually got some decent pressure. What I thoughts was horrendous was the pass defense. I don't understand how the Giants secondary is battered, yet they cover our receivers, our receivers can't get open, yet our secondary is healthy and there is ALWAYS wide open receivers somewhere. Not just this game either. It seems on third downs, when opposing teams complete a pass, they receiver is standing alone.

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[quote=PennSkinsFan;588897]I though, overall, give the superiority of the Giants Oline, they actually got some decent pressure. What I thoughts was horrendous was the pass defense. I don't understand how the Giants secondary is battered, yet they cover our receivers, our receivers can't get open, yet our secondary is healthy and there is ALWAYS wide open receivers somewhere. Not just this game either. It seems on third downs, when opposing teams complete a pass, they receiver is standing alone.[/quote]

Yes, no doubt. They have unproven WRs and they can get open on our #1 team CB's. Yet our #1 receivers can't make any plays against there backups.

One reason: Eli Manning was elusive and made some plays. He ran away from our blitz, bought some time, stepped up and hit open recievers. I never thought EM was very good til last year. He's a pretty good qb.

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[quote=redsk1;588901]Yes, no doubt. They have unproven WRs and they can get open on our #1 team CB's. Yet our #1 receivers can't make any plays against there backups.

One reason: Eli Manning was elusive and made some plays. He ran away from our blitz, bought some time, stepped up and hit open recievers. I never thought EM was very good til last year. [B]He's a pretty good qb[/B].[/quote]

I had my doubts about Eli, and well they have been completely erased (Giantone will love this). He won with a bunch of inexperienced receivers.

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[quote=redsk1;588901]Yes, no doubt. They have unproven WRs and they can get open on our #1 team CB's. Yet our #1 receivers can't make any plays against there backups.

One reason: Eli Manning was elusive and made some plays. He ran away from our blitz, bought some time, stepped up and hit open recievers. I never thought EM was very good til last year. He's a pretty good qb.[/quote]

Yeah, I agree that Eli made some plays, which I think made the difference in the game. He was very accurate especially with receivers that were covered well. The defense made a bunch of mistakes, but also made at least a couple of plays. [SIZE=3][FONT=Calibri]The defensive plays that come to mind are: the defensive stop on 4th and 1 near the goalline and the interception.[/FONT][/SIZE]

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[quote=warriorzpath;588894]I think one of the major reasons why the redskins are not doing well against the off-tackle runs - Orakpo seems to be hesitant at the linebacker spot.[/quote]
The Redskins don't do well versus the off tackle run is because of Blanche's defense scheme. If you noticed, typically the Redskins linebackers and cornerbacks line up 10 yards behind the line of scrimmage. The defensive linemen have gap control, they don't flow to the ball on run plays, they cover their gap responsibilities. It's up to the linebackers and safeties to fill the creases. They are too far back, running into interference or just flat getting blocked and not getting their in time. Orakpo is out of position a lot. Carter is applying pressure from one end but Daniels is just not getting up the field. Why do you draft a pass rushing specialist and put him in a position to not help the team. This coaching staff is suspect.

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The defnese looked good at times yesterday. AH was a big plus for us against the Giants run and he did make plays. That fourth and short at the goaline for sure was due to the big guy up front. We got a fumble BC of a sack and also a pick from a nice play by Laron Landry. These guys held up there part of the bargain. They only gave up 16 points. So to me the defense doesn't equal dissapointment.

Now Zorn and his playcalling and Jason's continued struggles against the Giants. yes that equals a dissapointment.

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Really, the only difference between Eli and Jason Campbell at this point in their careers is that Eli is better in the pocket. He moves better, and does better with the pocket collapsing around him.

Otherwise, they are very similar players.

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Gtripp I completely agree. That is one thing that can make you a good QB and not just another guy.

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[quote=PennSkinsFan;588897]I though, overall, give the superiority of the Giants Oline, they actually got some decent pressure. What I thoughts was horrendous was the pass defense. I don't understand how the Giants secondary is battered, yet they cover our receivers, our receivers can't get open, yet our secondary is healthy and there is ALWAYS wide open receivers somewhere. Not just this game either. It seems on third downs, when opposing teams complete a pass, they receiver is standing alone.[/quote]

Well TV does not do a very good job of showing the field to see if our WRs are open or not and JC is just missing them. I know when I saw him live (it was 2 yrs ago against the G men) we had on 9 to 12 passing plays guys wide open that JC just missed. Not sure if thats still happening but it was so bad in that game my wife even commented on it.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;588934]The defnese looked good at times yesterday. AH was a big plus for us against the Giants run and he did make plays. That fourth and short at the goaline for sure was due to the big guy up front. We got a fumble BC of a sack and also a pick from a nice play by Laron Landry. These guys held up there part of the bargain. They only gave up 16 points. So to me the defense doesn't equal dissapointment.

Now Zorn and his playcalling and Jason's continued struggles against the Giants. yes that equals a dissapointment.[/quote]
Albert Haynesworth: 4 tackles, 0 assists, 0 sacks, 0 forced fumbles.

The "100 million dollar man" needs to step it up or carve out some of that payday for London Fletcher who played lights out yesterday.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;588950]Albert Haynesworth: 4 tackles, 0 assists, 0 sacks, 0 forced fumbles.

The "100 million dollar man" needs to step it up or carve out some of that payday for London Fletcher who played lights out yesterday.[/quote]

London has been paid. AH was paid and he did his job. Yes if you pull up the fact that he only had 4 tackles it would seem from not watching the game that he didn't get it done, but I for one saw that his pressence in the middle of the line was beneficial for the Skins. I really don;t see any team running up the middle of this defense. He stopped Brandon Jacobs on 4th and inches on the 3 yard line. He was worth it.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;588950]Albert Haynesworth: 4 tackles, 0 assists, 0 sacks, 0 forced fumbles.

The "100 million dollar man" needs to step it up or carve out some of that payday for London Fletcher who played lights out yesterday.[/quote]

One of those tackles prevented Jacobs from running into the endzone. I was against signing Haynesworth and he didn't have any sacks yesterday, but he earned his paycheck yesterday and there are 15 other games for him to get a better stat line.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;588950]Albert Haynesworth: 4 tackles, 0 assists, 0 sacks, 0 forced fumbles.

The "100 million dollar man" needs to step it up or carve out some of that payday for London Fletcher who played lights out yesterday.[/quote]

AH had a pretty good day imo. He's a interior lineman, he's not going to get sacks every day. He routinely blew up and pushed back their o line and their oline is pretty good. He made the 4 and 1 stop on the goal line and other big plays. So, let's not say he needs to step it up when he had a pretty good game.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;588950]Albert Haynesworth: 4 tackles, 0 assists, 0 sacks, 0 forced fumbles.

The "100 million dollar man" needs to step it up or carve out some of that payday for London Fletcher who played lights out yesterday.[/quote]

Do you think it's possible that some of that "lights out" play came because you had big AH eating up lots of space in the middle? I certainly do.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;588950]Albert Haynesworth: 4 tackles, 0 assists, 0 sacks, 0 forced fumbles.

The "100 million dollar man" needs to step it up or carve out some of that payday for London Fletcher who played lights out yesterday.[/quote]

Jay Ratliff needs to step it up: only 2 tackles, O assists, O sacks, O forced fumbles.

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new season, some new players, same OL' Skins.
5 wins MAX this year and one better b week 5.

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Damn MC.. pretty down huh? We will definately win more than 5 bud. It was one game.

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Redskins Defense no matter how good they are they will begging to slow down by week 6. If offense does not give them any time to rest!

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;588970]Do you think it's possible that some of that "lights out" play came because you had big AH eating up lots of space in the middle? I certainly do.[/quote]

You took the words right out of my mouth TMC! Fletch is expected to make more tackiles with AH up front. Ask Ray Lewis how he felt about drafting Ngata.

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[quote=redsk1;589007]Jay Ratliff needs to step it up: only 2 tackles, O assists, O sacks, O forced fumbles.[/quote]
Ratliff was a 7th rounder and did not get a 100 million dollar contract with 41 Mill garaunteed. And he has been to just as many pro bowls as the 100 milllion dollar Haynesworth.

Oh and you forgot to add a 34-21 victory.

Just saying you could have gotten the same production for less cap money is all.