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[quote=SBXVII;588571]Sorry to pick everyones positive thread to shit in. Honestly it infuriates me to know we are the better team and found a way to lose the game. We let the Giants dictate the game. Allowed them to play a physical against us. I'll agree the G-mens D-line is awsome but their CB's are suspect. It didn't take me but 2 series to figure out that we would need to get Portis the ball behind the D-line some how cause he was not going to run through them. He had only 2 good runs. 17 points. Please. All last yr we scored less then 20 points and yet again with all the weapons supposedly at our disposal we still can't get over the hump.

I'll agree the fake Kick was a thing of beauty but it's pretty bad we had to resort to it. Every time we got into the red zone I kept saying Here's Cooley's chance...oh wait it's a run. Here's Kelly's chance....oh wait its a run. Here's Mitchell's chance do to his height....oh wait its a run.

I'm glad your over it. I think by Wed. I might be over it. See for me It seems like this town is totally different after a loss and I'm sure I'll feel it for a couple of more days. [B]Not to mention having a family member who is a Dallas fan saying ...."Oh did the Skins lose? Sorry."[/B][/quote]

Just remind them that we weren't playing Tampa Bay.

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As the bitter disappointment of high expectations being summarily chopblocked by the actual game fades and reality sets in, I would like to say, that even with the Skins playing an uninspired performance against a team they haven't beaten in 2 1/2 years, we were within one score at the very end. We were not playing a bad team, and we hung in and clawed back into it. We did not give up 27 points to last year's 0-16 team (no we gave up 16 offensive points to last years NFC East champs). We did not give up 450 yards to a mediocre offense(No, and we held their all powerful back to 60 yards or so) Did we fail to score(no we scored 17 points against a team that allowed the 5th fewest points last year). Was it a bitter defeat, absolutely, but what defeat isn't bitter. What loss can't you say, if only xxx. In all the Skins came out, were defeated by a solid veteran club that for many years has had our number. We will do better this week!

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Thats a great perspective CRedskinsRule. It hurts to lose any game but we got to put it behind us and get ready for the next game and take it out on them. We do get a chance to play the Giants at Home again. If we split it won't hurt as much.

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[quote=skins89moss;589397]I think Jason is more concerned to not throw a pick which hinders him from attacking the defense. Great QB's ( Farve) are not afraid to take chances with the ball and just let it rip. I guess its easy said when the FO doesnt have confidence in you in the 1st place. Brett Farve has thrown more picks than anyothet QB in history. To be great you can't be afraid to fail. Jason trust in your arm and don't be afraid to make a mistake its going to happen if you play QB in the NFL. Just ask Jay Cutler and [B]Jake Delhomme[/B].[/quote]

Delhomme is probably a bad example. The guy has 11 turnovers in his last 2 games. He's going to be riding the pine sooner rather than later if that keeps up.

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2 days later there is still plenty I am concerned about but I am looking forward to seeing our defense and offense against a team they are probably better than. I'd like to see a thorough ass-whipping on Sunday to dispel a lot of the doubts that surfaced vs. the Giants.

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What happens if they squeak by the Rams? Suppose it's another lackluster offensive effort?

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[quote=Beemnseven;589576]What happens if they squeak by the Rams? Suppose it's another lackluster offensive effort?[/quote]I'm not sure about the viability of "another" lackluster effort. We played great situational football on Sunday, and were just beaten on a play-to-play basis by what most think is a better team.

The Rams team we saw last year was good enough to beat the Cowboys the next week, and nearly beat the Patriots the week after. It's imperative to point out that the Rams team that was around for three weeks last year is capable of rearing it's head again. In that case, any team would be lucky to squeak by that team.

If on the other hand, we see the Rams of last week, or most of last season, we'll probably win by three TDs. Our level of play is pretty consistent compared to other teams in the league.

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[quote=Beemnseven;589576]What happens if they squeak by the Rams? Suppose it's another lackluster offensive effort?[/quote]
I'll take the win and look to next week.

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With the exception of a few cornerbacks we played very physical football!

That is one thing we were built for and if we can keep punishing people good things will happen. There are a few Giants who are out for their next couple of games.

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[quote=Lotus;589198]I'm sending $1 mil. in Monopoly money your way. :)[/quote]


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Just some quick perspective:

"Stats of the Week No. 7: Seven of Jason Campbell's last 532 passes have been intercepted. Nine of Jake Delhomme's last 51 passes have been intercepted."

And which [I]team[/I] made the play-offs last year?

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[quote=Lotus;589094]^^I think we would have gotten crushed much worse if Chase had been under center yesterday.

And...dude, I've seen your other posts and I must ask: is someone paying you for every exclamation point that you use? :)[/quote]

Thanks !!!!!!!!! Chase would have done worse ? How do you know? Last time Campbell got hurt Skins went to playoffs under Collins. Anything better than Campbell!:food-smil

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I'm so confident we're going to kick ass this year I went out and bought MORE Redskins gear! Keep The Faith Baby!!!

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[quote=Njall;589663]Thanks !!!!!!!!! Chase would have done worse ? How do you know? Last time Campbell got hurt Skins went to playoffs under Collins. Anything better than Campbell!:food-smil[/quote]

I suppose that I am speculating that Chase would have done much worse than JC because he has less experience than Campbell and Jacksonville's defense made Chase look utterly clueless.

Let's overlook the fact that Chase is no longer on the team and thus is irrelevant: what makes you think that Chase would do better than Campbell?

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Positives, HMMMMM.

Well my wings turned out great, beer was ice cold, and my annoying neighbor who seems to show up just about the time the wings are done stayed away. God he drives me crazy as he wants to steal some of my wings and strike up a conversation while I'm trying to watch the game.

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Haynesworth doesn't appear to be a bust. And contrary to what some others have said - I think the offensive line is playing very well.

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[quote=firstdown;589737]Positives, HMMMMM.

Well my wings turned out great, beer was ice cold, and my annoying neighbor who seems to show up just about the time the wings are done stayed away. God he drives me crazy as he wants to steal some of my wings and strike up a conversation while I'm trying to watch the game.[/quote]

I get more phone calls around gametime than the rest of the day combined. I'm going to start cutting my phone off.

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[quote=53Fan;589744]I get more phone calls around gametime than the rest of the day combined. [B]I'm going to start cutting my phone off.[/B][/quote]

That's what I do. Sorry, during the game I am not available.

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[quote=Lotus;589748]That's what I do. Sorry, during the game I am not available.[/quote]

Ditto, unless someone wants to give me money. That never happens.

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Lost in all the shuffle was this:

The Giants DID take away Moss, and the passing offense didn't suffer. Not one bit. We were actually better off NOT going to Moss.

When was the last time we could say that?

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Here's another positive:

Guess which two teams had the most similar ranking in the [URL="http://footballoutsiders.com/dvoa-ratings/2009/week-1-dvoa-ratings"]Football Outsiders Power Rankings[/URL]?

14 NYG 4.7%
15 WAS 4.3%

Obviously, the middle of the pack rankings have no meaning whatsoever in the grand scheme of things, it's Week 1, but isn't it nice to know that in at least one respect, we played the Giants to a virtual draw?

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[quote=53Fan;589744]I get more phone calls around gametime than the rest of the day combined. I'm going to start cutting my phone off.[/quote]

When I cut mine back on Monday morning, I had 6 new text messages from 2 different sh*t talking giants fans. I obviously need new friends.

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It did seem to me that McIntosh made some nice disruptive plays Sunday. That's a positive...

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Maybe that we see that we still have a ways to go and we don't take teams like the Rams for granted? Maybe we'll be focused and motivated enough to put the kind of ass whipping on a team we've all been waiting for.

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I think it's a huge positive that after the game in one of Zorn's many interviews he flat out stated that the secondary was playing too far off the line of scrimmage.

That really needed to be addressed. Even though the entire fanbase already knows it Blache might actually have to tone down the "If you want an eight yard completion at any point in the game we are happy to oblige defensive backfield philosophy."

Next up I hope we will address the Blache "Don't you dare try and throw any seventy yard passes against us because Laron Landry is fifty yards off the line of scrimmage philosophy."

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It really does get rather tiring seeing our corners play so far off the line

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[quote=wilsowilso;589883]I think it's a huge positive that after the game in one of Zorn's many interviews he flat out stated that the secondary was playing too far off the line of scrimmage.

That really needed to be addressed. Even though the entire fanbase already knows it Blache might actually have to tone down the "If you want an eight yard completion at any point in the game we are happy to oblige defensive backfield philosophy."

Next up I hope we will address the Blache "Don't you dare try and throw any seventy yard passes against us because Laron Landry is fifty yards off the line of scrimmage philosophy."[/quote]

There is an argument being made by some that because Blache lets his DB's play so far back off the line of scrimmage, there is less chance of them getting beat deep and the fact that his defense ranks high in the "points allowed" category justifies this and validates his strategy. It allows the play to happen in front of the DB where he can make a tackle instead of behind him for a TD. Of course this often allows for long drives that end up for 3 points. What it doesn't take into account is the amount of time the defense is on the field and the offense is on the sideline. Of course that means fewer chances for the offense to score or get into a rhythm, (sorry CRedkinsRule). I can't speak for GTripp but I believe that's one of the points he trys to make, unsuccessfully to those who always see the bottom line as, " The defense's job is to not allow a lot of points...PERIOD!". When we need to score and the defense cannot get off the field, I think we see the fallacy of this strategy.

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[quote=EternalEnigma21;589921][YT]Sh16xeNihDY&NR[/YT][/quote]

Nice hit Fletcher.

HTTR.

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[quote=GTripp0012;589808]Lost in all the shuffle was this:

The Giants DID take away Moss, and the passing offense didn't suffer. Not one bit. We were actually better off NOT going to Moss.

When was the last time we could say that?[/quote]

Maybe we should find a way to stop LETTING teams "take away" Moss if he's such an effective weapon. There are plenty of good receivers out there who are the focus of attention each and every week (just about every #1), but they still find a way to produce. It's not like they had pro-bowlers all along their secondary. It's just another bogus excuse that I'm tired of hearing about.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;589959]Nice hit Fletcher.

HTTR.[/quote]

Oh yea nice Hit London. You notice he did not try to taunt his opponet cause he is a real pro.

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How hope we can let Moss some WR reverses since they want to use a safety over the top to stop him. Lets get him the ball earlier in the game. He better hold on the ball unlike the Green Bay game when he fumbled which lead to a Packers touchdown.

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[quote=EternalEnigma21;589921][YT]Sh16xeNihDY&NR[/YT][/quote]



I guess Fletch didn't get the report that you have to hit Jacobs low. :)

The dude is amazing.

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nice payback for Landry getting trucked last year

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[quote=53Fan;589986]I guess Fletch didn't get the report that you have to hit Jacobs low. :)

The dude is amazing.[/quote]

Yeah going low didn't work for Landry last year. You just have to head hunt with some guys. If one way of tackling doesn't work, then try another. You would think that going low would work, but it looks like hitting Jacobs higher is better.

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[quote=skins89moss;589963]Oh yea nice Hit London. You notice he did not try to taunt his opponet cause he is a real pro.[/quote]

Fletcher is borderline Hall of Famer if he keeps it up. To think he started Fletcher with the St. Louis Rams as an undrafted free agent.

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[quote=44Deezel;589962]Maybe we should find a way to stop LETTING teams "take away" Moss if he's such an effective weapon. There are plenty of good receivers out there who are the focus of attention each and every week (just about every #1), but they still find a way to produce. It's not like they had pro-bowlers all along their secondary. It's just another bogus excuse that I'm tired of hearing about.[/quote]What in the heck are you saying?

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[quote=warriorzpath;590214]Yeah going low didn't work for Landry last year. You just have to head hunt with some guys. If one way of tackling doesn't work, then try another. You would think that going low would work, but it looks like hitting Jacobs higher is better.[/quote]

That's retarded. First, LaVar explained the Landry hit in great detail last week. Laron's first giving up a lot of weight to that impact(obviously). 2nd, Laron thought about going low, and hesitated to follow through. That split 2nd allowe Jacobs' to get all of his weight much lower and Laron set himself up to take the hit.

London's hit was another case of mistaken momentum. You don't take 265 lb running backs normally by hitting them square in the chest, no matter who you are. And if you think so, stop watching football now, you'll never get it. Jacobs was already in a crowd of Redskins, and if you look at his body, he's still moving forward before the hit, but his weight isn't low at all. In fact, he's nearly running completely upright, positioning himself to be knocked over.

Just like anything else, collisions/tackles don't take place in a vacuum. Every angle is different. Every player is different. Every body position is different.

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[quote=Monksdown;590256]That's retarded. First, LaVar explained the Landry hit in great detail last week. Laron's first giving up a lot of weight to that impact(obviously). 2nd, Laron thought about going low, and hesitated to follow through. That split 2nd allowe Jacobs' to get all of his weight much lower and Laron set himself up to take the hit.

London's hit was another case of mistaken momentum. You don't take 265 lb running backs normally by hitting them square in the chest, no matter who you are. And if you think so, stop watching football now, you'll never get it. [B] Jacobs was already in a crowd of Redskins, and if you look at his body, he's still moving forward before the hit, but his weight isn't low at all. [/B] In fact, he's nearly running completely upright, positioning himself to be knocked over.

Just like anything else, collisions/tackles don't take place in a vacuum. Every angle is different. Every player is different. Every body position is different.[/quote]

I agree about Landry, and momentum, but watch the hit in the video posted here, Jacobs is breaking a leg tackle or two and in good running posture, Fletcher basically makes a perfect tackle, squaring up and launching at Jacobs. Both men shook their head when they got up from the collission

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[quote=Monksdown;590256]That's retarded. First, LaVar explained the Landry hit in great detail last week. Laron's first giving up a lot of weight to that impact(obviously). 2nd, Laron thought about going low, and hesitated to follow through. That split 2nd allowe Jacobs' to get all of his weight much lower and Laron set himself up to take the hit.

London's hit was another case of mistaken momentum. You don't take 265 lb running backs normally by hitting them square in the chest, no matter who you are. And if you think so, stop watching football now, you'll never get it. Jacobs was already in a crowd of Redskins, and if you look at his body, he's still moving forward before the hit, but his weight isn't low at all. In fact, he's nearly running completely upright, positioning himself to be knocked over.

Just like anything else, collisions/tackles don't take place in a vacuum. Every angle is different. Every player is different. Every body position is different.[/quote]

Of course, tackles don't take place in a vacuum. But like I was saying, it apparently is better to try to hit Jacobs in his upper body than going low. If you're taking the stance that lower is [B]always[/B] better, then I think your post is retarded. That's not always the case just cause that's what the popular opinion is.

Given everything you said, I would still like my chances of hitting Jacobs in the same manner as Fletcher rather than Landry - just because of the extreme results of one in comparison to the other. I would obviously rather dish out a bone jarring hit than take one. And when it is all is said and done - Fletcher dished it out and Landry took one.

And to your comment that I should stop watching football - maybe YOU should stop watching sportscenter (and these other 2 bit shows) to get your football knowledge.