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[quote=Zerohero;590467]Best post in thread, me and my friend were joking Sunday that we should trade all picks for seventh rounders.[/quote]

If only it could happen. You can't trade your seventh rounder.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;590640]We already have the solution it's Jason Campbell relax its only been one game.[/quote]

It's talk about Tebow after one game that makes me wonder how (these very same so-called fans) can also be so critical of Snyder for his lack of patience and sometimes knee-jerk reactions. It's sort of like the pot calling the kettle black.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;590640]We already have the solution it's Jason Campbell relax its only been one game.[/quote]

ya i know but he just looked so bad until that last drive

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[quote=gibbsisgod;590582]Is his father Red? One of the funniest people EVER.[/quote]

A comedic genius. :)

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Jason Campbell didn't play bad last Sunday. He was 19 of 26 (or close) for 211 w/ 1 td. He didn't light it up but he didn't stink up the joint. The one fumble and return was his fault no doubt. I'm no JC homer, but let's give him this season to prove himself.

With that being said I don't see a problem in talking about a potential QB.

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Tebow should just walk away from football forever after this season. That way he can retire a legend and all the crazy Florida/college football fans can talk about how Tebow would have changed the game if only he had gone to the NFL instead of doing missionary work in El Salvador (or some equally obscure third-world nation). Bottom line is that the guys is not an NFL talent and having "it" does not make a great NFL quarterback. At the end of the day you have to be able to throw the ball and Tebow simply does not have an NFL caliber arm. I cite the 36 yard touchdown pass he threw to Riley Cooper against Troy last week. That was truly one of the ugliest throws I have ever seen. Luckily when you play inferior college teams your players are six yards behind the defender every time. I loved how the announcer immediately said that Tebow had a big time arm too. The Tebow love-fest among college football fans is insufferable.

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I'm one of the people that would like Tebow here, but I'm not a so called fan or a Snyder blamer. A lot of folks are but i'm not. Patience really cannot apply with Campbell because he's been the opening day starter 3 years in a row and while his stat line may decieve us he doesn't make a positive impact with this team. I watched a clip of him at Auburn and the same thing I saw then I see now, a guy who happens to play QB. Call me wrong but that's just my opinion. A thing that I like about Tebow is his willingness to put it all on him. And not so much try to point out everyone elses issues to kinda save face. I hope the Skins are successful but (much like we've said for a while now) it's all on Jason. Everything. But if he doesn't,.... I'll be on my Tebow watch !

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[quote=redsk1;590676]Jason Campbell didn't play bad last Sunday. He was 19 of 26 (or close) for 211 w/ 1 td. He didn't light it up but he didn't stink up the joint. The one fumble and return was his fault no doubt. I'm no JC homer, but let's give him this season to prove himself.

With that being said I don't see a problem in talking about a potential QB.[/quote]

How much more time does he need ? Did you see that horrible pass to Santana ? I thought the deep ball was his bread and butter ? Did you see the audible to the run play on a 3rd and 8 with the Giants showing blitz ? Why did he do that ? Forgot the down and distance that's why. He's had time to prove himself IMO.

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Tebow will be good, but if you want to changne his style then don't pick him. Let a coach that wants him for him pick him. I get tired of that song and dance. If you don't like how a player plays, then don't pick him point blank.

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[B]Wow.. It's been one game guys. Jason Cambell looked pretty good to me, and that audible he called on 3rd and 7 was actually a good call, but Randy Thomas got dominated so the play failed. THey only rushed 4, and the linebackers stepped back into C2.

So many loyal fans here since coming into this joint. I'm glad I can truely call myself a Redskin fan ebcause I have faith in Jason Cambell, and our offense this season. HTTR

Also, didn't every QB have troubles against the Giants defense? It's not exactly one of the soffest defenses in the NFL. You just have to find wyas to beat teams like that, and we almost did.. Oh well

Let's get ready for the RAMS imo.[/B]

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I like Tebow, i think he is a helluva football player and he fits UF's scheme like a glove. I hope he becomes a good pro which i believe he will be a solid guy but i wouldnt want to put a 1st rounder on him when we need OL help first.

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[quote=redsk1;590676]Jason Campbell didn't play bad last Sunday. He was 19 of 26 (or close) for 211 w/ 1 td. He didn't light it up but he didn't stink up the joint. The one fumble and return was his fault no doubt. I'm no JC homer, but let's give him this season to prove himself.

With that being said I don't see a problem in talking about a potential QB.[/quote]

Again, before the last, garbage time drive - 145 yards, 1 INT, 1 Fumble returned for a TD. Campbell did throw for a high percentage, but so what. Brunell once went 22 for 22 throwing 5 yard dump offs. We won that game against Houston... barely, and I believe we didn't score more than 30. Campbell played bad.

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[quote=44Deezel;590833]Again, before the last, garbage time drive - 145 yards, 1 INT, 1 Fumble returned for a TD. Campbell did throw for a high percentage, but so what. Brunell once went 22 for 22 throwing 5 yard dump offs. We won that game against Houston... barely, and I believe we didn't score more than 30. Campbell played bad.[/quote]

Yes, he sucked, horrible, horrible, horrible, he's garbage and shit. Ok happy? Now let's move on.

And I hope he throws for 400 yds and 4 TDs so you eat your words.

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[quote=MonkFan4Life;590623]Well if you don't demand quality then what do you have ? Jason Campbell staring on Sunday. Bu-bum Ching !

I don't even post sometimes because what I'm thinking make sense once it's typed. If talking about Tebow after one game is retarded then I must be brain dead because that's all i've been talking about since Sunday here at work. That and the hatred laced radio show that Lavar hosts.

The guy just needs to start chasing his liquor or just quit cold turkey.

HTTR[/quote]

Excellent post. LOL.

On a side note, how 'bout Miami beating up on Georgia Tech on Thursday night CFB?

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[quote=Ruhskins;590834]Yes, he sucked, horrible, horrible, horrible, he's garbage and shit. Ok happy? Now let's move on.

And I hope he throws for [B]400 yds and 4 TDs [/B]so you eat your words.[/quote]


Im sorry but thats funny. maybe half that is more feasible

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;590846]Im sorry but thats funny. maybe half that is more feasible[/quote]

I know. LOL. But hey, one can dream.

Speaking of impossible things, anyone thinks here that the Jets can beat the Pats?

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Look, I'm a huge Florida Gators fan, but Tebow is Not the answer nor is he an NFL QB. Sam Bradford is probably the best NFL ready QB. He's very very accurate. If he falls to us next year, and Campbell we know won't be here, then we should get him. All the other QB's in the draft I think are ok but not going to be good QB's in the pros. McCoy is a good college QB, but doesn't have it all. Jevan Snead, I've watched him play, but he's very inaccurate at times. Tebow is slow at throwing the ball/it just hangs and wobbles in the air a while, he's a lefty QB which isn't really common in the NFL, and his stats are blown up because he really is the true definition of a system QB. He is also widely regarded as one of the greatest college QB's of all time, not just cause of his passing, but because of his running, and that will work in college but the pro's..No.

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[quote=Ruhskins;590849]I know. LOL. But hey, one can dream.

Speaking of impossible things, anyone thinks here that the Jets can beat the Pats?[/quote]

Took awhile for the Pats to get going last week vs a lowly Buffalo team that i thought would fold by halftime. Plus the pats LB is hurt so thats a major blow. So IMO an upset could be in the making if BB cant make Sanchez look like a rook. that and if the Jets can get to brady.

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unless #17 tears it up this season we WILL have a new QB and more than likely a new coach. Depending on who comes here determines if we draft a QB (McCoy, Bradford) or bring in a Veteren. I posted something on a previous topic after the game and its relevant here.

A lot of people want to write Campbell off, and I am just not one of them. I dont think the coaching staff is allowing him to play. They are playing not to lose, instead of letting him throw the damn ball. This is a passing league now, not a run the ball 35 time league anymore. Hell Ben Rothlesburger throws the damn ball 40 times a game! I just dont like the play calling. I think Jason could have a very fine year if not great year if allowed to throw the ball. 29 throws when your basically down 17 points the entire game says something to me. One ball down field?? Zorn has to allow him and this offense to turn it loose. We have way to many damn playmakers on offense to score f'n 13 points a game. Its really pissing me off as a type this crap. If this shit doesn't change, then I am all for another damn coach. I have supported Zorn and will support him, but when is time to let the offense open up and be what its suppose to be instead of a shell of itself.

3 to 4 wide most of the game and run out of it. It confuses defenses on personel matchups and thats when you can check out of a run to a pass or vice versa. Why can't the Redskins to this!! it f'n kills me.

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If Tebow is the answer...

The question is: "Which QB will have the most dropoff in success between college and the NFL in the history of the game?"

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;590890]Took awhile for the Pats to get going last week vs a lowly Buffalo team that i thought would fold by halftime. Plus the pats LB is hurt so thats a major blow. So IMO an upset could be in the making if BB cant make Sanchez look like a rook. that and if the Jets can get to brady.[/quote]

Good points. The Pats defense is a bit suspect, but if anyone can pull anything it would be Darth Hoody. I'm sure he has turned Rex Ryan's words into some crazy motivation cause for the team (which in my opinion all of this was media hyping something minor). Maybe we will see a high scoring game where the Pats somehow pull it at the end.

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Speaking of Rex Ryans words. How 'bout that Mark Sanchez ?!?!?!?!?! 270 yards huh ?

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I hear he's a great kid, don't want him as the QB for our Washington Redskins. Let's stop the QB talk and if everyone did there job we would have won..It's a team sport so let's take the wins as a team and losses as a team..

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[quote=Eknox;590997]I hear he's a great kid, don't want him as the QB for our Washington Redskins. Let's stop the QB talk and if everyone did there job we would have won..It's a team sport so let's take the wins as a team and losses as a team..[/quote]

So carolina's problems aren't Jake Delholmes fault. Must of been DeAngello Williams and Julius Peppers fault for the 4 interceptions and a fumble.

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[quote=Eknox;590997]I hear he's a great kid, don't want him as the QB for our Washington Redskins. Let's stop the QB talk and if everyone did there job we would have won..It's a team sport so let's take the wins as a team and losses as a team..[/quote]

You know what you're right. If everone did their job then they would've won. If everyone did their job then they would've won a lot of games that they should've won easily. It's just that we are asking everyone BUT Jason Campbell to do their job. Because of his efficiencies everone else has to play damn near perfect. When Moss runs a post route Jason throws a fly. When Kelly ran that beautiful route against Pittsburgh he's running across the field and where did Jason throw it ? Straight. But the deep ball is his best right ? When receivers run slants or drags or crossing routes he doesn't throw to them he usually throws behind them. He doesn't beat the DB by throwing the ball to the SPOT that the receiver is going to end up but to the area near where the receiver will be but he has to wait for him to get there, therefore giving a guy time to recover. I'm sorry bro, it's all about the JC. He's been playing in this league for too long to get passes on the rookie mistakes that he still makes. Cry about the O-Line all day but we can see that they really aren't the problem. It's him. Point Blank. This team is missing one thing to put them over the hump and until THAT part of this team is fixed we'll still be a middle of the pack coulda shoulda woulda type team.

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[quote=MonkFan4Life;591004]You know what you're right. If everone did their job then they would've won. If everyone did their job then they would've won a lot of games that they should've won easily. It's just that we are asking everyone BUT Jason Campbell to do their job. Because of his efficiencies everone else has to play damn near perfect. When Moss runs a post route Jason throws a fly. When Kelly ran that beautiful route against Pittsburgh he's running across the field and where did Jason throw it ? Straight. But the deep ball is his best right ? When receivers run slants or drags or crossing routes he doesn't throw to them he usually throws behind them. He doesn't beat the DB by throwing the ball to the SPOT that the receiver is going to end up but to the area near where the receiver will be but he has to wait for him to get there, therefore giving a guy time to recover. I'm sorry bro, it's all about the JC. He's been playing in this league for too long to get passes on the rookie mistakes that he still makes. Cry about the O-Line all day but we can see that they really aren't the problem. It's him. Point Blank. This team is missing one thing to put them over the hump and until THAT part of this team is fixed we'll still be a middle of the pack coulda shoulda woulda type team.[/quote]

I would say that it is not all about JC, but it is about this team not having a playmaker. We don't have an offensive player that makes others around him better. That's plain and simple. You can typically get by in this league with an average QB or RB or WR as long as you have a playmaker or two that can change the outcome of the game.

Let's take Minny for example...they've had average/pedestrian QB play, average WRs, but they have a playmaker in Adrian Peterson and their defense. In our team, these would be the candidates to be playmakers: our defense, clinton portis, santana moss, and maybe cooley...unfortunately none of those players/units are considered playmakers.

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They aren't. The thing is that this team has enough talent to win games. A lot of them. The man simply cannot take the burden off of anyone. That's my problem. During the offseason we were told how much more of a handle he had on this offense and it's clear that he doesn't. Earlier in this thread someons said that the audible to the run was a good call and that it was Thomas' fault. Really ? This is what I'm talking about. he makes a mistak and instead of blaming him we have to find someone else to blame. When he threw that pick after he was clearly past the ling of scrimmage we blame Moss for not comming back to the ball. Maybe it's because Jason was one step from the sideline about 3 yards past the line of scrimmage. The camera focused on Jasons face after the Skins broke the huddle up until the ball was snapped. They were in a shotgun and do you want to know how much time Jason took out to scan the defense JUST IN CASE he had to make and adjustment ? Not one second. He all of a sudden can run the offense when the game is over, what happens to the other 3 1/4 quarters of play ? Clinton put up 1,400 or so yards last year but he can't do it all by himself. You QB makes your receivers better than they are, not the other way around. When there are 8 men in the box Mr. Deep Ball should be exploiting that. When team show blitz he doesn't change a thing. EVER. If you play Madden, and yes it's that simple, you adjust to what the defense shows you.

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[quote=GMScud;590270]Ha. I'm a Gator through and through (see my signature), so anything I say will come off as pretty biased. I will say that one Tim Tebow has the intangibles of about a thousand Campbell's.

I'm a Campbell supporter, and I hope he shows this season that he is our solution. If he doesn't however, I would not be opposed to Gruden/Tebow one bit (Gruden has a giant man-crush on him and I bet he'll try to draft him for whatever team he ends up coaching).

Let's face it folks, if Campbell flops so do the Skins, and he and Zorn are both gone. We're an aging team at some pretty important positions. If they both go, we'll be in rebuilding mode for sure. It wouldn't be a bad thing IMO to bring in the best college football player of all team to help us.[/quote]

I agree with everything yo just said . Outside Campbell and giving him a chance the guy is done and Zorn is also.

This team needs fire and a tough coach. Gruden will bring it to Skin's especially in the NFC East.

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[quote=Ruhskins;591008]I would say that it is not all about JC, but it is about this team not having a playmaker. We don't have an offensive player that makes others around him better. That's plain and simple. You can typically get by in this league with an average QB or RB or WR as long as you have a playmaker or two that can change the outcome of the game.

Let's take Minny for example...they've had average/pedestrian QB play, average WRs, but they have a playmaker in Adrian Peterson and their defense. In our team, these would be the candidates to be playmakers: our defense, clinton portis, santana moss, and maybe cooley...unfortunately none of those players/units are considered playmakers. [/quote]

Ok . Why didn't Broncos take Campbell ? They have playmakers great receivers . but picked Orton instead.

Why did Skin's go after Sanchez and Cutler?

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I don't watch much college ball but caught the Miami game and mane that guy they have playing QB was pretty impressive. If I heard right this is his first year starting but he looked prety poised to me.

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[quote=Njall;591035]Ok . Why didn't Broncos take Campbell ? They have playmakers great receivers . but picked Orton instead.[/quote]

I think you are missing the point...my point is that our team needs playmakers if we are to have an average QB. And I was saying that teams can get by with an average QB if they have playmakers at other positions. Campbell is an average QB, but he is supposed to have a playmaker in Portis and in our defensive unit...but none of them are, despite the fact that we are playing Portis and people in our defense as though they are playmakers.

And I think you could have picked a better example than Denver, a team that basically alienated one of their playmakers (Marshall) and ran the other out of town (Cutler)

[quote=Njall;591035]Why did Skin's go after Sanchez and Cutler?[/quote]

The Skins went after Sanchez and Cutler because they want a playmaker QB...but I don't know if there is a team out there that has only one playmaker that can carry the rest of the team (well except Brady in '06).

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Florida QB's are productive college QB's but they seem to falter on the professional level. We've already had our taste of Florida QB's when we had Shane Mathews and Danny Wuerrful. I hate to say it but we could use Michael Vick, I mean, who else is out there?

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No way I'm calling it in, and giving up after one game and going after TEBOW...? I'll give the team and JC a chance..

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[quote=Kalisto2010;591133]Florida QB's are productive college QB's but they seem to falter on the professional level. We've already had our taste of Florida QB's when we had Shane Mathews and Danny Wuerrful. I hate to say it but we could use Michael Vick, I mean, who else is out there?[/quote]

The whole "past QB's from UF didnt do well so that means other wont" arguement is pretty stupid to me. Joe Montana came from ND, does this mean that ND churns out top NFL QB's every few yrs? NO.
I agree that UF hasnt put a great QB in the NFL to this point but it doesnt mean that all future UF QB's are destined to bust in the pros. I like Tebow, i think he is a great player. Im not saying he will come in and be the next Marino but i think he can be a solid player.

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[quote=Kalisto2010;591133]Florida QB's are productive college QB's but they seem to falter on the professional level. We've already had our taste of Florida QB's when we had Shane Mathews and Danny Wuerrful. I hate to say it but we could use Michael Vick, I mean, who else is out there?[/quote]
Vinny Testaverde, Bernie Kosar, Jim Kelly..........etc

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[quote=Kalisto2010;591133]Florida QB's are productive college QB's but they seem to falter on the professional level. We've already had our taste of Florida QB's when we had Shane Mathews and Danny Wuerrful. I hate to say it but we could use Michael Vick, [B]I mean, who else is out there?[/quote][/B



ANYBODY but Vick. Roddy White was on bust status with Vick slinging him the ball. Now he has a real QB throwing him the ball and is one of the best in the division. Thats all we need, Vick stunting the growth of our young wr's.

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Our team has such a small margin for error because were not very good.
We need to build an OL like the Giants.
When we can run against an 8 man front it makes having a productive offense easy.
JC is on the same tier as ELi.
Except that Eli is on a better team.


But, Yes if everything went to shit this season and were forced to look for a QB i would wait and pick up Tebow in that late 1st early 2nd.

He's the only QB i really like from this draft class.

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[quote=Hog1;591139]Vinny Testaverde, Bernie Kosar, Jim Kelly..........etc[/quote]

They came from the U, I'm talking about Gator QB's.

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;591138]
I agree that UF hasnt put a great QB in the NFL to this point but it doesnt mean that all future UF QB's are destined to bust in the pros.[/quote]

No, but it does mean everyone who's come out of there so far has under performed in NFL. And based on that assessment I would exercise extreme caution before investing a high draft pick in a Florida QB.

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;591141][/B



ANYBODY but Vick. Roddy White was on bust status with Vick slinging him the ball. Now he has a real QB throwing him the ball and is one of the best in the division. Thats all we need, Vick stunting the growth of our young wr's.[/quote]

And now Pro Bowl TE Algee Crumpler is on bust stats now that Vick is gone. Remember when Keenan McCardell was a bust on the Redskins, or when Chris Carter was a bust on the Eagles? Sometimes it takes WR's a few years to develop. And that real QB you speak of Matt Ryan has yet to win a playoff game. Vick on the other hand.