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[quote=53Fan;593112]I bet half the posters on this board go out and buy gallons of water and boxes of batteries everytime the weatherman says there's a tropical storm in the Atlantic.[/quote]

Now this post made my day.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;592882]The sky is not falling. I wish people would stop panicking, what Zorn and the Redskins need to do is work on scoring in the RedZone, go back to fundamentals and use our big receivers.[/quote]


seriously...we have been working on scoring in the redzone for the last how many years. Its was an issue that was supposed to be resolved when we drafted Thomas, Kelly, Davis, and kept the kid from Nevada. But its hard to say anything positive when we are apparently the only team in the NFL that can't run a fade pattern to a 6'4 wide receiver in the endzone. its amazing!

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[quote=53Fan;593112]I bet half the posters on this board go out and buy gallons of water and boxes of batteries everytime the weatherman says there's a tropical storm in the Atlantic.[/quote]

I would respond but I have to get some water and batteries. Be back soon.

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[quote=53Fan;593112]I bet half the posters on this board go out and buy gallons of water and boxes of batteries everytime the weatherman says there's a tropical storm in the Atlantic.[/quote]


Yeah I would much rather have a "script" on how to survive a potential hurricane, then use careful planning and preparation to thwart a tempestuous catastrophy.

(its a sarcastic metaphor for all you humble bible thumpers)

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I think we should win but cant manage to ever be right with this team. If our defense keeps up the good play and campbell and portis perform it will be an easy day. If we dont snyder may begin a very quiet "stalin-esque" party purge.

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This is a good thread.

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It's time for the offense to win a game. But if the 'Skins lose to the Lions, Zorn should be fired, and I've been backing him ever since he was hired. I just can't take anymore poorly planned offensive schemes, but it's more than Zorn, it's Campbell, too. He refuses to get rid of the ball by making quick decisions. Watching some of these other QBs really opens your eyes to Campbell's problems.

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If we lose to the Lions I will change my avatar to a Cowboys avatar for a week.

The shame of losing will be far worse than the shame of the avatar.

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[quote=Lotus;593302]If we lose to the Lions I will change my avatar to a Cowboys avatar for a week.

The shame of losing will be far worse than the shame of the avatar.[/quote]

Wow.. I can see the WP's bandwidth being absolutely ridic if we lose to the Lions.

Like.. the planets will align, hell may reign down on the Metro area, and the Rant Thread in off topic will grow to the size of the Super Happy Fun Thread in the matter of a night.

I suggest Zorn sleep with the lights on and a bodyguard as well.

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[quote=mredskins;592874]I am talking about next week against Detriot. It is very likely we are going to lose. They seem better then the Rams and we will be playing them at their house.

It is going to be horrible if we lose that game. The media will be all over it.[/quote]


Very likely we are going to lose? Are you drunk? We have handled Detroit the last two years and our defense is getting better by the snap.

I understand being concerned about next week, but "very likely" to lose to a team that hasn't won since 2007 is pretty ridiculous.

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[quote=RedskinMike;593157]You are smoking crack if you think the lions are going to be favored. No chance in hell that happens.[/quote]

The Lions favored?

Alright people, take 10 deep breaths and let some oxygen get to your brain before typing this bs.

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You do have to give the Lions credit for being one of the most consistent teams in the league. Let's hope that they stay consistent for one more week.

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I know I'm not the only one that doesn't want Cowher to come in here next year. He'd run Clinton Portis into retirement and try and switch our d-personnel to a 3-4, aka pretty much the exact opposite type of linebackers and d-lineman that we have except for Haynesworth. I don't want a guy who won one Super Bowl after like 15 years with one franchise. And you know Snyder would still have Cerrato making all the decisions. Disaster in the making if you ask me.

But if we lose to the Lions JZ will be as good as gone. It's like I keep hearing, if you're gonna go out, go out firing, don't leave your bullets in the clip. But what makes people believe that JZ is willing to place all his trust in Campbell in the red zone all of a sudden? Unless he had some massive change of heart and decided it's time to let Campbell open it up I don't think we'll see innovative changes in the red zone next week. Mitchell can't even get on the field in the game, what makes people think all of a sudden JZ is gonna start inserting him and Kelly into all (probably 1 or 2 what with the heavy running to the left side) our red zone pass plays? I mean we'd all love to see a 3 wr set with Mitchell, Kelly, and Cooley down in the red zone but I just don't think it's gonna happen. I think Zorn is gonna keep trying to run Portis into the end zone until either he snaps or the team snaps. For me, the fact of the thing is that Zorn doesn't trust the offense to throw the ball into the endzone when we're down there. And that distrust ain't gonna disappear just like that.

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[quote=mooby;593321]I know I'm not the only one that doesn't want Cowher to come in here next year. He'd run Clinton Portis into retirement and try and switch our d-personnel to a 3-4, aka pretty much the exact opposite type of linebackers and d-lineman that we have except for Haynesworth. I don't want a guy who won one Super Bowl after like 15 years with one franchise. And you know Snyder would still have Cerrato making all the decisions. Disaster in the making if you ask me.[/quote]

A few thoughts on this

- A big reason why Cowher ran the 3-4 defense in Pittsburgh is because he entrusted the defense when he started to Dick Lebeau (and to a lesser extent Dom Capers) a huge proponent of the 3-4. But Cowher has said that he's not married to the 3-4 defense and wouldn't use it if the talent was there for a 4-3

- One of the "knocks" against Cowher has been that he really didn't do anything as an X and Os guy on game day, that he left the offense up to Bruce Arians/Whisenhunt etc. and the defense to Lebeau and whoever else was the DC. To that end, I would suspect that if he became the head coach his role would be more of a Joe Gibbs than a Jim Zorn

- Are you saying you don't want to wait 15 years for a Super Bowl? Because really Cowher's record during that 15 year span is pretty solid.

- Why is it a problem for VC to continue to make personnel decisions? Is that just the popular thing to say? Talent wise, I think he's putting a pretty solid team together. Of course, there are still some question marks. But really those can't be answered until they get opportunities. So, of course, the issue is whose fault is it they are not getting the opportunities. You can, however, make the argument that if Zorn isn't capable of succeeding and is fired then Cerrato should go with him. Because if Cerrato who told Snyder that Zorn was the guy (and not Fassel, for example) and that Snyder should put his faith in Zorn.

if it comes down to Shananan or Cowher (the popular choics), I can think of good reasons for both and neither.

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Epic Fail = Censorship

Could have edited my letter to the Redskins. But hey. All hail the power of the moderator. There is no rights to free speech here..LMAO

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[quote=dmvskinzfan08;593338]Epic Fail = Censorship

Could have edited my letter to the Redskins. But hey. All hail the power of the moderator.[/quote]

What? You asked me to delete it didn't you? I guess I should have asked why

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[quote=SmootSmack;593339]What? You asked me to delete it didn't you? I guess I should have asked why[/quote]


Oh my bad. I just thought you deleted it being mean. I took a lot of time to write that sorry. I see your point when I was being to general. But honestly. I wanted us fans to have a voice. That didn't include curse words and other unnecessary language. Just was responding to the players not understanding why we boo'd them. My fault buddy. dag it took me a while to write it and edit it. That's my fault. I told you to delete it if you thought it was inappropriate for the forum. I just think we need to motivate them at times (since the coach doesn't) and let them know how much this team means to us. Sorry for the miscommunication on my part.

OOPS

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[quote=dmvskinzfan08;593340]Oh my bad. I just thought you deleted it being mean. I took a lot of time to write that sorry. I see your point when I was being to general. But honestly. I wanted us fans to ahve a voice. That didn't include curse words and other unnecessary language. Just was responding to the players not understanding why we boo'd them. My fault buddy. dag it took me a whiel to read it and edit it. That's my fault. I told you to delete it if you thought it was inappropriate for the blog.

OOPS[/quote]

Just because I disagreed with a lot of what you wrote didn't mean I was going to delete to be mean. You asked me to delete it so I did. Next time...save it in a Word document first :)

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[quote=SmootSmack;593341]Just because I disagreed with a lot of what you wrote didn't mean I was going to delete to be mean. You asked me to delete it so I did. Next time...save it in a Word document first :)[/quote]

Agreed.

And yes I do get very depressed when we lose. But only for a day..LMAO. I love my skins that much. But I have friends that are Eagles NY and Cowgirls fans. So I go through it all week. Have to turn my phone off on Sundays and everything. LMAO


ps. I love my skins so much. That there was a thunderstorm that year of the Superbowl against the Broncos and the power went out. I was young. Can't remember how young. But I pulled out my lil boom box with my D batteries and blasted it so all the neighbors could hear the game. So I am diehard since day one. Love my Skins.

HTTR!!!!!!!!!!

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[quote=dmvskinzfan08;593340]Oh my bad. I just thought you deleted it being mean. I took a lot of time to write that sorry. I see your point when I was being to general. But honestly. I wanted us fans to have a voice. That didn't include curse words and other unnecessary language. Just was responding to the players not understanding why we boo'd them. My fault buddy. dag it took me a while to write it and edit it. That's my fault. I told you to delete it if you thought it was inappropriate for the forum. I just think we need to motivate them at times (since the coach doesn't) and let them know how much this team means to us. Sorry for the miscommunication on my part.

OOPS[/quote]

Hey DMV I read your post and I thought it summed up how most of us real fans feel about the Redskins. Some of us eat sleep and breathe Redskins football. It wasn't disrepectful it was heart felt and the players need to see how loyal and passionate we are about the Redskins. Good Post.

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[quote=SmootSmack;593333]A few thoughts on this

- A big reason why Cowher ran the 3-4 defense in Pittsburgh is because he entrusted the defense when he started to Dick Lebeau (and to a lesser extent Dom Capers) a huge proponent of the 3-4. But Cowher has said that he's not married to the 3-4 defense and wouldn't use it if the talent was there for a 4-3

- One of the "knocks" against Cowher has been that he really didn't do anything as an X and Os guy on game day, that he left the offense up to Bruce Arians/Whisenhunt etc. and the defense to Lebeau and whoever else was the DC. To that end, I would suspect that if he became the head coach his role would be more of a Joe Gibbs than a Jim Zorn

- Are you saying you don't want to wait 15 years for a Super Bowl? Because really Cowher's record during that 15 year span is pretty solid.

- [B]Why is it a problem for VC to continue to make personnel decisions? Is that just the popular thing to say? Talent wise, I think he's putting a pretty solid team together. Of course, there are still some question marks. But really those can't be answered until they get opportunities. So, of course, the issue is whose fault is it they are not getting the opportunities. You can, however, make the argument that if Zorn isn't capable of succeeding and is fired then Cerrato should go with him. Because if Cerrato who told Snyder that Zorn was the guy (and not Fassel, for example) and that Snyder should put his faith in Zorn.[/B]
if it comes down to Shananan or Cowher (the popular choics), I can think of good reasons for both and neither.[/quote]

Vinnie takes a lot of flack from people who don't really understand his job, sure, but at some point don't you have to win something? I mean, it's a bottom line league. 　He's put a team together that is clearly talented in ways but lacks depth and balance in others. As this season progresses, if none of the 08 second rounders step up, if the offensive line continues to whither, if Deangelo Hall continues to look like a 60 million dollar liability, and if the team continues to swim around the 500 mark, how can one continue to defend the guy? I mean, we've been on the three year plan for almost 10 years now. Maybe it's not completely fair but who else in football gets to underperform and keep their job in perpetuity?

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[quote=skins89moss;593344]Hey DMV I read your post and I thought it summed up how most of us real fans feel about the Redskins. Some of us eat sleep and breathe Redskins football. It wasn't disrepectful it was heart felt and the players need to see how loyal and passionate we are about the Redskins. Good Post.[/quote]

Thanks. I am so die hard man. It actually hurts when they lose. But I try not to be too critical. But I feel like a lot of fans are fed up. Some may express it in the wrong way. But I just want to see my team do good. That's how passionate I am as all fans should be. One thing I love about "diehard" skins fan is that we know our football on some level and we are good at expressing our disatisfaction. Some people have players on a very short rope. But I give them a chance. But whether it is coaching, FO or players. They need to be held accountable. They need to know how we feel and we have put up with a lot. Saying that. I love my skins and always will!!!

HTTR!!

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[quote=dmvskinzfan08;593352]Thanks. I am so die hard man. It actually hurts when they lose. But I try not to be too critical. But I feel like a lot of fans are fed up. Some may express it in the wrong way. But I just want to see my team do good. That's how passionate I am as all fans should be. One thing I love about "diehard" skins fan is that we know our football on some level and we are good at expressing our disatisfaction. Some people have players on a very short rope. But I give them a chance. But whether it is coaching, FO or players. They need to be held accountable. They need to know how we feel and we have put up with a lot. Saying that. I love my skins and always will!!!

HTTR!![/quote]


I like the Skins but to say love is a bit much IMO, I save love for my family. I use to live and die Redskins when I was a tennager and a 20 something but now there is just too much more important stuff in my life to waste my time on the Skins, espically this Skins team.

Sunday I watched the 1st quarter then the 4th quarter, no way was I giving up an entire beutiful Sunday afternoon with my son to this team and the only reason I watched the 4th was because my son took a nap.

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[quote=Mattyk72;593003]I don't see why it's very likely we'll loose. Stafford has been pretty bad, I can't see them putting up more than 10 points. As for our offense...[/quote]



And.................. That wouldnt be enough for them to pull out a W?

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[quote=mredskins;593417]I like the Skins but to say love is a bit much IMO, I save love for my family. I use to live and die Redskins when I was a tennager and a 20 something but now there is just too much more important stuff in my life to waste my time on the Skins, espically this Skins team.

Sunday I watched the 1st quarter then the 4th quarter, no way was I giving up an entire beutiful Sunday afternoon with my son to this team and the only reason I watched the 4th was because my son took a nap.[/quote]

I'm definitely getting to this point. I was going to buy Sunday Ticket this year and then thought about it... there's usually 5 weeks out of the year that I don't get the skins on the local channels... So am I willing to pay $80/game just to be disappointed again and again? No thanks.

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;592880]We lose to the Lions, its gonna get ugly.[/quote]

i mean this is a team that is winless in its last 18 games with a rookie QB. Out defense will eat them up, double megatron. Skins will win. If we don't, I think the Zorn will have a tough time recovering. Even at 5-1, we saw that show last year, and the ending sucked.

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;593579]I'm definitely getting to this point. I was going to buy Sunday Ticket this year and then thought about it... there's usually 5 weeks out of the year that I don't get the skins on the local channels... So am I willing to pay $80/game just to be disappointed again and again? No thanks.[/quote]

The exact same reason I didnt get sunday ticket this year.

Its too expensive to pay to be letdown every week.

One can always hope that next year it'll change, but as far as i can tell, this head coaching thing just isnt cut out for zorn, he needs to go back to giving qbs tips and stay completely away from any decision making or clock management. Until he gets canned, it pains me to say this, but get ready for a big season stocked full of mediocrity from talented players.

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I got Sunday Ticket just so i can find another game to watch when the Skins start pi$$in me off. :)

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[quote=djnemo65;593346]Vinnie takes a lot of flack from people who don't really understand his job, sure, but at some point don't you have to win something? I mean, it's a bottom line league. 　He's put a team together that is clearly talented in ways but lacks depth and balance in others. As this season progresses, if none of the 08 second rounders step up, if the offensive line continues to whither, if Deangelo Hall continues to look like a 60 million dollar liability, and if the team continues to swim around the 500 mark, how can one continue to defend the guy? I mean, we've been on the three year plan for almost 10 years now. [COLOR=DarkRed][B]Maybe it's not completely fair but who else in football gets to underperform and keep their job in perpetuity?[/B][/COLOR][/quote]

Someone who is getting paid to act as GM on behalf of the owner.

With Vinny here I just can't believe that Snyder doesn't have his hand on the roster.

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[quote=djnemo65;593346]Vinnie takes a lot of flack from people who don't really understand his job, sure, but at some point don't you have to win something? I mean, it's a bottom line league. 　He's put a team together that is clearly talented in ways but lacks depth and balance in others. As this season progresses, if none of the 08 second rounders step up, if the offensive line continues to whither, if Deangelo Hall continues to look like a 60 million dollar liability, and if the team continues to swim around the 500 mark, how can one continue to defend the guy? I mean, we've been on the three year plan for almost 10 years now. Maybe it's not completely fair but who else in football gets to underperform and keep their job in perpetuity?[/quote]

Fair points. The reality is only recently has Vinny been given final authority that he didn't have when Spurrier, Schottenheimer, and Gibbs were here. There have been some very questionable moves that I would confidently say would not have been made had Vinny had the final say. The role of the "General Manager" "VP of Player Personnel" whatever you want to call it is somewhat nebulous. I mean, on the one hand kudos to Vinny for selecting Marko Mitchell in the 7th round but it really could be argued that's more a testament to good scouting (but then again kudos to Vinny for putting the scouting team together)

I have stated before, and continue to believe, that within the next couple of years Cerrato's responsibilities will shift to more the business side of the team than the football operations. And I think that's the right call. I think he's done a good, not great job.

My concern is that I don't know what the better alternative is. I think any of the four most mentioned candidates are going to want full control. But Holmgren already showed once he couldn't handle both jobs and was relieved of the responsibility, Shanahan should have been, Gruden and Allen clashed a lot in Tampa. Cowher is really the only one who hasn't been tested yet in that dual role. I'm sure a lot of fans though would simply rest easier if Cerrato isn't there. Not based on any actual reason, just because they don't want him around.

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[quote=JWsleep;593050]Look more closely. AH brings the heavy heat every time. He sucks up Olinemen like a dustbuster. Griff is benefiting from not seeing double-teams for the first time in years.[/quote]
I watched the game again and realized that AH was getting the double team so that Griffin could draw single teams. I guess i was just looking at no sacks, but you are right he had a good game.

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[quote=mlmpetert;592881]Oddly enough we are 6.5 point favorites right now. I am sad to say it but based on how I feel right now i am kind of tempted.....[/quote]
I never bet on the Skins but I've been thinking about putting 20 on it.. The Lions aren't looking hot but the Rams D isn't any better than the Lions' and the Lions' O is looking better than St. Louis'

Something tells me we'll come out more intense this game, but who knows

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[quote=53Fan;593112]I bet half the posters on this board go out and buy gallons of water and boxes of batteries everytime the weatherman says there's a tropical storm in the Atlantic.[/quote]
It's cool the other half stay behind when there's a Katrina saying there's no way it will be bad

I don't see why people can come on here every week and act like things are just fine and will turn around every week when that clearly isn't happening.. and hasn't since many of us can remember.. we hear "it's only one game" or "well if this hadn't have happened" .. etc ... single games can matter, things DO happen

we plain don't look good and anyone who can be confident about this team lives in a land of gummy bears (minus whatever colors that they don't like), the brady bunch, and random naked supermodels

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[quote=dblanch66;593113]Offense will definitely get off the schnide this sunday and in a big way. I see a large win. Detroit hasn't seen a defense like ours yet and I feel we may see a couple of defensive scores this week.[/quote]
carlos' last pick 6 was against DET right?

anyways I'll be at the game and it's going to suck hardcore if it's not a convincing win.. I'll take a win of any type, but yeah

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[quote=JLee9718;593291]It's time for the offense to win a game. But if the 'Skins lose to the Lions, Zorn should be fired, and I've been backing him ever since he was hired. I just can't take anymore poorly planned offensive schemes, but it's more than Zorn, it's Campbell, too. He refuses to get rid of the ball by making quick decisions. Watching some of these other QBs really opens your eyes to Campbell's problems.[/quote]

Yeah; seeing rookies, backups, etc making quick multiple reads and not just going oh god number 1 isn't there where's Cooley or my RB is kinda :(

Seems like everyone else can get instant replay worthy plays, jump balls (for a short guy moss isn't bad at these), really clutch passes, etc.. where the QB will put the ball into the right spot for the WR to make a play downfield... the ones that go right over the defender and fall to the WR.. I haven't seen much from Campbell suggesting that he can drop that ball in there like that.. he needs the guy 5 yards open like college if the WR isn't on the inside

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[quote=tryfuhl;593812]It's cool the other half stay behind when there's a Katrina saying there's no way it will be bad

I don't see why people can come on here every week and act like things are just fine and will turn around every week when that clearly isn't happening.. and hasn't since many of us can remember.. we hear "it's only one game" or "well if this hadn't have happened" .. etc ... single games can matter, things DO happen

we plain don't look good and anyone who can be confident about this team lives in a land of gummy bears (minus whatever colors that they don't like), the brady bunch, and random naked supermodels[/quote]

I would be ok in that world.

and anyone who is a downer about this team lives in a world of vegetables(only the ones they don't like), reality shows, and random naked fat guys

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[quote=tryfuhl;593816]Yeah; seeing rookies, backups, etc making quick multiple reads and not just going oh god number 1 isn't there where's Cooley or my RB is kinda :(

[B]Seems like everyone else can get instant replay worthy plays, jump balls (for a short guy moss isn't bad at these), really clutch passes, etc.. [/B]where the QB will put the ball into the right spot for the WR to make a play downfield... the ones that go right over the defender and fall to the WR.. I haven't seen much from Campbell suggesting that he can drop that ball in there like that.. he needs the guy 5 yards open like college if the WR isn't on the inside[/quote]

Well there ya go, fire zorn now, and campbell, and tell ESPN they better have cameras rolling (smoot i'm talking to you) and be showing us on sportscenter every hour!

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;593819]Well there ya go, fire zorn now, and campbell, and tell ESPN they better have cameras rolling (smoot i'm talking to you) and be showing us on sportscenter every hour![/quote]
Doesn't our lack of ability to make those types of plays bother you?

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[quote=Mechanix544;593593]The exact same reason I didnt get sunday ticket this year.

Its too expensive to pay to be letdown every week.

One can always hope that next year it'll change, but as far as i can tell, this head coaching thing just isnt cut out for zorn, he needs to go back to giving qbs tips and stay completely away from any decision making or clock management. Until he gets canned, it pains me to say this, but get ready for a big season stocked full of mediocrity from talented players.[/quote]

I was thinking the same thing after sunday.I just signed up for the ticket this yr after not getting it the past 2 yrs.Then Sunday Im thinking why am I putting myself thru this? ive got a headache and im pissed and my heart is beating fast,this is getting bad for my health,lol

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[quote=tryfuhl;593821]Doesn't our lack of ability to make those types of plays bother you?[/quote]

I would love to see them, I think Kelly has a lot of potential.

But, let me ask you, did you see the London Fletcher hit on Jacobs? Did that get played on Sportscenter. Nope. What about AH pushing 2 players back every play. Nope. Or Rodgers batting away passes to prevent big plays. Nope. did I get excited by those. Heck yeah.

I want to see consistent steady improvement and solid football games. And I see that. I know the kool aid is great blah blah blah.

Last year, all year we could not consistently move the football. This year we have had 10 out of 15 drives against the NYG and Rams that started in our territory and went 30+ yds, 5 of those 15 ended in points, 2 ended in punts, 2 ended in turnovers and 1 ended on downs in scoring position. So yes we are moving the ball better, more consistently. We are sustaining drives.

I believe the points will come. And I believe we have seen better football on both lines, (which is what everyone griped about over the offseason) and even when a backup stepped in(montgomery) our team kept moving.

I want a winning spirit. And mistake free football. And more points. I don't really care about the highlight reels (unless it's Campbell lifting a Lombardi with Zorn)