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[quote=12thMan;594722]I think SkinnyTee broke the record for number of posts in one thread.[/quote]
He's currently speaking of himself on the "third person", and searching for a publicist.......

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[quote=hooskins;594603][B]I guess Tee is saying it is pretty sad that the apex of Zorns head coaching stint is against the nineteen-straight loss Lions.[/B] I dont think it is a matter of what makes one feel comfortable, but rather a matter of fact based on what has been shown so far(this season, preseason and the last 8 games last year).

If the Skins play great next game(all of the sudden), rest of the season and make the playoffs it will be nothing short of a miracle. I really dont see how else to look at it.[/quote]Well, I mean, it's not really.

The Redskins enter this game with the standard risk for losing to an inferior team. Happens all the time in the NFL. If they fail to score points again, happen to lose the turnover margin and the big play margin, while all the while, the Lions make a big jump as a team from week 2 to week 3, there's a realistic chance the Lions could beat us. But the chance of all that happening is, what, 10-15%?

Now, if the question is: what is the probability that Zorn and the Redskins completely blow the Lions out of the water? I'd say that's only 35-40%. It's hard to generate big plays with new guys on the offensive line, and we may not be able to run the ball on them. Calvin Johnson could always break for a TD unexpectedly. The margin of error to make this a blowout is not very large, and given the uncertainty on offense, probably isn't all that likely.

But how perfect would the Lions have to be to overcome the talent gap? Well, let's just say that if they do win, they'll certainly deserve it.

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[quote=12thMan;594465]It seemed like yesterday we were enduring the August sun and training camp predictions. Anything and everything about Brian Orakapo, Marko Mitchell, or Marcus Mason was newsworthy and commanded our attention. Now two games into the regular season and we're sharply focused on a Redskin team like a couple of know it all interns bickering over how to treat a patient who just got wheeled into the emergency room. While the situation may require medical assistance, what's ailing the patient is not life threatening. Not even close.

I asked myself if I were the fan of another team, who happens to catch all the Redskins games live, what would be my honest assessment of this team and where do I see them going. Because grading something -anything- is difficult when you're so emotionally invested in the outcome. So I'm taking a step back. Where's that damn Paintrain thread when you need it!

I really don't want to rehash the team's epic failures in the red zone, because it's been well documented here and elsewhere. In fact, it's been talked about over and over and over again. I don't think there's one person breathing today that will put more pressure on Jim Zorn this week than Jim Zorn. We saw the offense open up from week one to week two. Coach Zorn just needs to take the next step, and I believe he will.

Besides coach Jim Zorn the other Redskin causing angst among the faithful is Jason Campbell. Right now Campbell is ranked 15th in the NFL in passing. Let me throw a few names out there for perspective. Mark Sanchez, Carson Palmer, and Aaron Rodgers, who by the way, has been sacked 10 times already, all rank below Campbell statistically. For all the critcism he's been receiving, some warranted some not, you would think he's chucking the ball in the air like Jake Delhomme. So let's be a little honest here, Campbell has been solid and probably a little more given the dropped passes he's had at critical moments thus far. I'm not a Jason Campbell apologist, but I sometimes wonder if the tables were turned and Campbell wore another uniform how many trade threads would be requesting for him to come play for Washington so that Zorn can "coach him up."

This team just needs to keep on winning until they find the easy button. If winning ugly is the formula for now, I'll take it. I'd much rather be going into week three bitching and moaning about Zorn than going into week six or seven bitching about Zorn. There's no way Moss will continue to be ineffective that much longer. Especially with the way Cooley and Kelly have started. I think Sellers and Thomas catch those balls next time. And honestly, I don't think losing Randy Thomas will be that big of a deal. He hasn't played a ton of downs over the past few years anyway, and when he has he wasn't exactly dominant, so I don't see any major disruption along the offensive line regardless of who they plug in to replace Thomas.

All of that being said, the Redskins will handle their business in Detroit. I'm not calling for a close game either. The Redskins are 7-2 in indoor facilities in the last six years, including 2004 and 2008 wins over the Lions at Ford Field. The defensive line found another gear last week and should only get better as the season wears on. And I think --hope --Zorn opens up the offense inside the twenty. I won't predict a final score, but I think the Skins by 17 points is doable. From there, I think they finish the season with six losses.

Here's to a big, big win in the Motor City this weekend![/quote]

Post of the year. Bravo.

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I think a lot is riding upon this game. I want to say that at some point in our Redskins history, immediate history, something has to eventually give. Either the franchise realizes that there are fundamental problems that go deeper than the players themselves that is preventing the team from being an elite team once more, or, realize that they have the talent and the smarts, they just need to go out and do their job. I still think we're close, but close only counts in horse shoes and hand grenades!

I want to know for sure if this version of the team is going to be the team we have been waiting for all this time, or is it just going to be a reincarnation of Norv Turner's earlier Redskins teams.

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My sig says it all.

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[quote=Mechanix544;594977]My sig says it all.

[COLOR=DarkRed]Hail to the Redskins, HAIL VICTORY!!!!!
[/COLOR]
[COLOR=DarkRed]MARK MOSELEY RULES!!!!!![/COLOR]

[COLOR=Blue]Can you honestly say that when u look at Campbell, you could envision him leading a team to and winning the Super Bowl?? And isn't that what its supposed to be all about?[/COLOR][/quote]

I agree with 1 of 3 statements listed in your signature.

So by looks we'll be able to tell whether we can envision a QB leading a team to the Super Bowl?

...By looks alone I'd say Peyton Manning probably be better served leading a Special Olympics team than an NFL one but I guess looks can be deceiving

...and have absolutely no bearing on performance.

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[quote=Mechanix544;594977]My sig says it all.[/quote]

I can honestly say that I can envision Campbell taking us to the Super Bowl.

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[quote=Buster;594880]Post of the year. Bravo.[/quote]

It's a damn good one, I'll say that!

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[quote=Skinny Tee;594981]I agree with 1 of 3 statements listed in your signature.

So by looks we'll be able to tell whether we can envision a QB leading a team to the Super Bowl?

...[B]By looks alone I'd say Peyton Manning probably be better served leading a Special Olympics team than an NFL one but I guess looks can be deceiving[/B]

...and have absolutely no bearing on performance.[/quote]

:doh: I'm ashamed to say I found this funny.....but I did.

Just like Lotus, I can easily see JC taking us to the Super Bowl.

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[quote=DCtoAZ;594476]Finally someone who sees it correctly .. it's so annoying how everyone is FREAKING out .. we are 1-1 .. last time I checked it's a bottom line league, bottom line is who didn't think we'd be 1-1 at this point.. yeah the Rams game had issues, but WE WON .. would you rather we lost ? WTF ...the offense does look better than last year .. you have to admit it .. sure we have the RED Zone issues, ummm that is fixable .. it's not like we lost Cooley, Moss, POrtis, etc .. they are all healthy .. Zorn has the pressure .. I firmly believe this is the offense's coming out party this weekend ... finally people will shut the f@#% up about this team and get behind them .. Our DEFENSE is a championship D .. don't be fooled .. they are that good ... let's get the ball rolling on O and the chips will fall where they may ..

Skins BIG THIS WEEKEND !~!!!!!!!!!!!!

[COLOR=red][B][SIZE=6]Skins 44[/SIZE][/B][/COLOR]
[B][SIZE=6][COLOR=red]Lions 17[/COLOR][/SIZE][/B]

Stafford - 3 INTS (1 for TD by HALL) ... 5 SACKS ![/quote]

I think your score is off....see I think someone high up in the organization is betting we can win with the lowest score. Probably putting a lot of pressure on Zorn. So I think.....

Skins 3....field goal.
Lions 2....Safety.

:)

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[quote=Lotus;594985]I can honestly say that I can envision Campbell taking us to the Super Bowl.[/quote]

Me too.

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[quote=saden1;594625]Just watched the Lions vs Viks game on NFL Rewind and I must say the Lions looked good on several drives. I didn't know they have Larry Foote playing for them now and they did a pretty decent job against Peterson. They're not going to be easy to beat for any of you that think this game should be a gimme.[/quote]

The Lions have a great LB crew (Foote, Ernie Simms and Julian Peterson) and a good front line (Grady Jackson and Sammie Hill are too huge to move). Add that Schwartz is a great defensive strategist and coach, and I see them as a much improved defense. If they would play offense like the SKins (ultra-conservative passing and running behind Jansen) they should win a lot of 9-7 games.
Hopefully not this week, though. Let's hope they air it out and try to be aggressive so Stafford can add to his 5 picks.

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when i got in the car today after work I had the radio on the sirius nfl channel and they were talking about the skins game.They of course would not be surprised if the lions won.Then they said since JC has been the starter weve averaged 18 points a game,which ranks 26th in the nfl.I asked this in another thread and I'll ask again here,if thats not JC's fault,whose is it? Can JC bring us a superbowl,of course he can,if we have a defense that doesnt let teams score over 10 points a game.
To me there just seems to be some intagibles that JC doesnt have.I cannot ever remember him throwing a succesful fade route in the endzone to anybody,I dont even remember any attempts,why?
When was the last time you saw him run with the ball and do a slide? and I mean a good slide,not head first.I can remember a few oh shit I better get down funky looking slides that looked bad and the form was terrible.These 2 things dont make him a bad qb,but they are just some of the intagibles I see that bother me.

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Are We Seriously Tripping Up On The Lions' Tail?

We cannot just predict games and their scores because, its not realistic. For example, in the first game against the Midgets the biggest concern(s) were brought up (We all know what happened). Then against the Reindeers, we improved (A little) on offense. Then when we got into the *** zone we stalled. Today (Friday) at the Skins practice they heavy dosed on *** zone work.

Lets be real here.

Im not gonna be Negative about the Skins

Im not gonna be Positive about the Skins

But i will be staying "Medium" with an open mind on Sunday.


HAIL!!!
Snow!!!
Rain!!!

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Man oh man I hope we dont drop this game. I really hope we dont.

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[quote=htownskinfan;595143]when i got in the car today after work I had the radio on the sirius nfl channel and they were talking about the skins game.They of course would not be surprised if the lions won.Then they said since JC has been the starter weve averaged 18 points a game,which ranks 26th in the nfl.I asked this in another thread and I'll ask again here,if thats not JC's fault,whose is it? Can JC bring us a superbowl,of course he can,if we have a defense that doesnt let teams score over 10 points a game.
To me there just seems to be some intagibles that JC doesnt have.I cannot ever remember him throwing a succesful fade route in the endzone to anybody,I dont even remember any attempts,why?
When was the last time you saw him run with the ball and do a slide? and I mean a good slide,not head first.I can remember a few oh shit I better get down funky looking slides that looked bad and the form was terrible.These 2 things dont make him a bad qb,but they are just some of the intagibles I see that bother me.[/quote]



Trent Dilfer sucked as a QB and he got a SB ring based on having a great DF, he's now on ESPN talking as if he know's something. JC is way better than Dilfer so beleive me the SB rings coming.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;595493]Trent Dilfer sucked as a QB and he got a SB ring based on having a great DF, he's now on ESPN talking as if he know's something. JC is way better than Dilfer so beleive me the SB rings coming.[/quote]

what did i say in my post?here it is:

Can JC bring us a superbowl,of course he can,if we have a defense that doesnt let teams score over 10 points a game.

but Im not holding my breath on that sb

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I will be keeping an open mind as well on Sunday.................as I watch the Skins Kick the livin' S... outta' detroit..........27-6

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;595493]Trent Dilfer sucked as a QB and he got a SB ring based on having a great DF, he's now on ESPN talking as if he know's something. JC is way better than Dilfer so beleive me the SB rings coming.[/quote]

I agree that Campbell can be Trent Dilfer. I have doubts that our D can be the Ravens of 2001, which is considered one of the best Defenses of all time. Dilfer went on to become a back-up the rest of his career, as did Brad Johnson. Campbell is in danger of being a back-up on someone else's roster next year. Happens all the time.

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I just saw someone put what I was going to say about Dilfer...if he can get a team there, then anyone can..hell they didn't score an offensive touchdown for an entire month. Look, Campbell is doing what Zorn is asking. He is NOT taking shots down the field (in my opinion) because he doesn't want to risk turning the ball over, so he'll check down to the shorter receiver. I guess the option we have is, do we want a guy that isn't going to throw the ball down field into double coverage just for a possible completion or more like a pick (Jake Delhoume, Jay Cutler, Brett Favre) or someone that is going to see its not there, check down and try another shot later in the game? There is a lot of risk reward with throwing deep, and yes he has missed a couple of throws, but I think once he gets confidence in Kelly and Thomas we'll see a lot more deep balls over the season, then the offense will be one of the best in the league.

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[quote=#56fanatic;595538]I just saw someone put what I was going to say about Dilfer...if he can get a team there, then anyone can..hell they didn't score an offensive touchdown for an entire month. Look, Campbell is doing what Zorn is asking. He is NOT taking shots down the field (in my opinion) because he doesn't want to risk turning the ball over, so he'll check down to the shorter receiver. I guess the option we have is, do we want a guy that isn't going to throw the ball down field into double coverage just for a possible completion or more like a pick (Jake Delhoume, Jay Cutler, Brett Favre) or someone that is going to see its not there, check down and try another shot later in the game? There is a lot of risk reward with throwing deep, and yes he has missed a couple of throws, but I think once he gets confidence in Kelly and Thomas we'll see a lot more deep balls over the season, then the offense will be one of the best in the league.[/quote]
If what you are saying is true, then maybe its something to get excited about. I think alot of the cures for this team is just to simply score more. Thats what the fans want to see. Give em something to cheer about. But until they prove that they can, until they put up more than 20 points in a game, until alot of things happen, I am ready to just sit here and be slightly pessimistic and expect the worse.

The fans want to see points, plain and simple.

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[quote=#56fanatic;595538]I just saw someone put what I was going to say about Dilfer...if he can get a team there, then anyone can..hell they didn't score an offensive touchdown for an entire month. Look, Campbell is doing what Zorn is asking. He is NOT taking shots down the field (in my opinion) because he doesn't want to risk turning the ball over, so he'll check down to the shorter receiver. I guess the option we have is, do we want a guy that isn't going to throw the ball down field into double coverage just for a possible completion or more like a pick (Jake Delhoume, Jay Cutler, Brett Favre) or someone that is going to see its not there, check down and try another shot later in the game? There is a lot of risk reward with throwing deep, and yes he has missed a couple of throws, but[B] I think once he gets confidence in Kelly and Thomas we'll see a lot more deep balls over the season, then the offense will be one of the best in the league[/B].[/quote]

I think you're right.

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[quote=#56fanatic;595538]I just saw someone put what I was going to say about Dilfer...if he can get a team there, then anyone can..hell they didn't score an offensive touchdown for an entire month. Look, Campbell is doing what Zorn is asking. He is NOT taking shots down the field (in my opinion) because he doesn't want to risk turning the ball over, so he'll check down to the shorter receiver. I guess the option we have is, do we want a guy that isn't going to throw the ball down field into double coverage just for a possible completion or more like a pick (Jake Delhoume, Jay Cutler, Brett Favre) or someone that is going to see its not there, check down and try another shot later in the game? There is a lot of risk reward with throwing deep, and yes he has missed a couple of throws, but [B]I think once he gets confidence in Kelly and Thomas we'll see a lot more deep balls over the season, then the offense will be one of the best in the league[/B].[/quote]

Is he Campbell or Zorn?

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This is only a big game for Zorn if we lose.

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[quote=Coff;595573]This is only a big game for Zorn if we lose.[/quote]

I'll go one step further and say this is a big game for Zorn if we don't kill them.

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[quote=#56fanatic;595538]I just saw someone put what I was going to say about Dilfer...if he can get a team there, then anyone can..hell they didn't score an offensive touchdown for an entire month. Look, Campbell is doing what Zorn is asking. He is NOT taking shots down the field (in my opinion) because he doesn't want to risk turning the ball over, so he'll check down to the shorter receiver. I guess the option we have is, do we want a guy that isn't going to throw the ball down field into double coverage just for a possible completion or more like a pick (Jake Delhoume, Jay Cutler, Brett Favre) or someone that is going to see its not there, check down and try another shot later in the game? There is a lot of risk reward with throwing deep, and yes he has missed a couple of throws, but [B]I think once he gets confidence in Kelly and Thomas we'll see a lot more deep balls over the season, then the offense will be one of the best in the league.[/B][/quote]

Though that sounds great I think this is a unrealistic fantasy. I just don't see how a team gets 100% better on their worst aspect.

What you're talking about would take a Hollywood montage to accomplish. I can see them connecting a little more and then perhaps becoming 10-20% more efficient but as for becoming one of the league's best...that is laughable.

Also Campbell's deep accuracy is terrible so that makes this hopeful outcome even more bleak.

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Well, it IS possible for JC to improve lot in throwing deep balls area.. It is supposed to be one of his assets, he has big arm.. But becoming one of the best in the league when JC tweaks out with Thomas and Kelly; I don't see it happening this year.. However, if JC stays here next year then yes, I can see it happening next year..

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[quote=Skinny Tee;595589]Though that sounds great I think this is a unrealistic fantasy. [B] I just don't see how a team gets 100% better on their worst aspect.[/B]

What you're talking about would take a Hollywood montage to accomplish. I can see them connecting a little more and then perhaps becoming 10-20% more efficient but as for becoming one of the league's best...that is laughable.

Also Campbell's deep accuracy is terrible so that makes this hopeful outcome even more bleak.[/quote]

How many deep passes do we complete now? Getting 100% better is really not that hard. You don't have to complete a[B] ton[/B] of deep passes to make your offense more effective.

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[quote=GridIron26;595590]Well, it IS possible for JC to improve lot in throwing deep balls area.. It is supposed to be one of his assets, he has big arm.. But becoming one of the best in the league when JC tweaks out with Thomas and Kelly; I don't see it happening this year.. However, if JC stays here next year then yes, I can see it happening next year..[/quote]

That's the worst thing too. Campbell can get it there, he has no problem with that but he has no refined accuracy to where it needs to go.

We've seen already in the preseason (inaccurate deep pass to Kelly) and in the opening Rams snap (underthrown pass to Kelly) that Campbell has deep accuracy issues.

That really limits us but his knack for short to mid range completions and his scramble capabilities makes him our best QB.

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[quote=53Fan;595592]How many deep passes do we complete now? Getting 100% better is really not that hard. You don't have to complete a[B] ton[/B] of deep passes to make your offense more effective.[/quote]

Yeah, but us getting 100% better on offense wouldn't make us the top offenses in the league.

Check out the next time Campbell throws deep to Moss and obviously doesn't get it there. Look at Moss's reaction. He's so dejected because he knows he's open on a lot of those downfield plays. He knows he won't get many deep passes thrown to him during a game so he gets so frustrated.


He's dropped his fair share of opportunities but I still kinda of feel bad for him.

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Reading some of these posts, like I said, you would think Campbell was Jake Delhomme. And he's not. No one completes 100% of their deep balls. Heck, not even 50%! We just need to start taking the shots down the field and the catches will come. This isn't a JC can't hit this guy or that guy issue, it's a taking the chance issue. As far as I'm concerned that's on Jim Zorn.

But you have don't believe me, go over to NFL.com and see how many quarterbacks have completions over 40 yards this year.

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[quote=12thMan;595608]Reading some of these posts, like I said, you would think Campbell was Jake Delhomme. And he's not. No one completes 100% of their deep balls. Heck, not even 50%! We just need to start taking the shots down the field and the catches will come. This isn't a JC can't hit this guy or that guy issue, it's a taking the chance issue. As far as I'm concerned that's on Jim Zorn.

But you have don't believe me, go over to NFL.com and see how many quarterbacks have completions over 40 yards this year.[/quote]

Perhaps not but JC really cannot hit people in stride. I know this comparison is unfair but watch Brees throw down the field. He's making connections with people in stride. Now that is best in the league doing it but players like Romo and Eli Manning are doing timing routes down the field that are connecting with people in stirde.

JC has not been able to connect more than 15+ yards down the field with anybody in stride. The Randle El leaping grab to me is not in stride, by the way.

All of JC's throws are to receivers who have dropped into a zone and are basically in a stationary spot on the field. Now whether that is because of Zorn's lack of trust or whatever, who knows, but JC's stride connections are simply not happening.

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Ture, Skinny. What I'm saying, and not very clearly, is that even Brees got good at throwing that type of ball by doing it. Jason Campbell has to get good by doing it. Yes, Brees is probably the ultimate example but we don't need Campbell to be Brees[I]esque[/I]. I just want him to be good at what he's good at and do one or two things great.

Bottom line, they simply need to take more shots down field. The timing is a result of repetition, I think.

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Campbell hasn't even been close on any ball that has had to travel longer than 20 yards in the air. I don't necessarily blame Zorn, although he's not earned even the benefit of the doubt at this point. But it's not like he only calls plays where every route is 5-10 yards deep. There's an intermediate to deep route on just about every pass play, but Campbell is not one to force a throw into a tight spot. That's good and bad. Good in that he doesn't turn the ball over often and bad in that it forces his team to put together excruciatingly long drives in order to get into the scoring zone. This leads to less possessions, higher degree of difficulty (more plays = more chances for something to eventually go wrong) less pass interference calls (they were last in the league last year) and abysmally low scoring. Bad becomes worse in the end zone, where precision, accuracy, touch and a little aggressiveness is required. Hard to expect a guy who plays it ultra-safe between the 20s to all of a sudden change who he is in the red zone. And the red zone problem is nothing new. The Skins were 4th worse in the league in red zone scoring last year. Yes, Suisham was part of the problem, so spare me the retort.

We've seen Campbell in multiple systems now, and in each he's a plodding down the field 5-10 yards at a time kind of QB. The fact that he protects the ball is AWESOME and would be especially awesome if he played on a team with a dominant running attack and a nasty, all-time great Defense. In that scenario, he would be Trent Dilfer on steroids. The Skins could go undefeated. But as it stands, he plays for a team that needs him to do more, and up to this point, he's proven incapable or unwilling to step up.

And like I said, don't blame Zorn or even the receivers. Even in the Rams game Campbell missed an EASY TD pass on the first play of the game, threw a ball 5 yards out of bounds to Devin Thomas and on his longest throw attempt of the day almost knocked the beer out of a fans hands. Same in the Giants game. His bomb to Santana Moss wasn't within 15 yards of him. Seems like all he's comfortable with right now is the 5-15 yard pass down the middle of the field. Don't tell me Zorn wouldn't have opened up the playbook if Campbell hit Kelly on that first play of the game. Campbell's got to give the coach a reason to have faith in him.

As for Receivers, a lot of teams do exponentially more with shittier receivers. Show me the jump balls they're not getting to first, and then I'll start to believe they're the problem. Tight, single coverage is OPEN to most QBs in the league. Not to JC. If you don't have at least 2 steps on the Defender, you're not getting the ball. Period.

PS - File this under RE-HASH

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[quote=12thMan;595614]Ture, Skinny. What I'm saying, and not very clearly, is that even Brees got good at throwing that type of ball by doing it. Jason Campbell has to get good by doing it. Yes, Brees is probably the ultimate example but we don't need Campbell to be Brees[I]esque[/I]. I just want him to be good at what he's good at and do one or two things great.

Bottom line, they simply need to take more shots down field. The timing is a result of repetition, I think.[/quote]

Brees is great because he does what most QBs do some of the time all of the time. He consistently finds the single coverage and puts the ball where his WR is going to have the best chance of catching it. The Defender could be running a potato sack race with his Receiver and he's still going to throw it.

We all see other QBs throw into tight single coverage a few times a game, giving their Receivers a chance to make a play or draw a pass interference call. What we see a few times a game from most QBs, Brees seems to do with easy regularity.

Just once I'd like to see Campbell throw a ball downfield (doesn't have to be 50 yards either) to a receiver who is covered, and put it in a spot where his Receiver can at least make an attempt on the ball. Right now, he either doesn't make that pass or when he does, it's way friggin off.

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[quote=44Deezel;595617]Campbell hasn't even been close on any ball that has had to travel longer than 20 yards in the air. I don't necessarily blame Zorn, although he's not earned even the benefit of the doubt at this point. But it's not like he only calls plays where every route is 5-10 yards deep. There's an intermediate to deep route on just about every pass play, but Campbell is not one to force a throw into a tight spot. That's good and bad. Good in that he doesn't turn the ball over often and bad in that it forces his team to put together excruciatingly long drives in order to get into the scoring zone. This leads to less possessions, higher degree of difficulty (more plays = more chances for something to eventually go wrong) less pass interference calls (they were last in the league last year) and abysmally low scoring. Bad becomes worse in the end zone, where precision, accuracy, touch and a little aggressiveness is required. Hard to expect a guy who plays it ultra-safe between the 20s to all of a sudden change who he is in the red zone. And the red zone problem is nothing new. The Skins were 4th worse in the league in red zone scoring last year. Yes, Suisham was part of the problem, so spare me the retort.

We've seen Campbell in multiple systems now, and in each he's a plodding down the field 5-10 yards at a time kind of QB. The fact that he protects the ball is AWESOME and would be especially awesome if he played on a team with a dominant running attack and a nasty, all-time great Defense. In that scenario, he would be Trent Dilfer on steroids. The Skins could go undefeated. But as it stands, he plays for a team that needs him to do more, and up to this point, he's proven incapable or unwilling to step up.

And like I said, don't blame Zorn or even the receivers. Even in the Rams game Campbell missed an EASY TD pass on the first play of the game, threw a ball 5 yards out of bounds to Devin Thomas and on his longest throw attempt of the day almost knocked the beer out of a fans hands. Same in the Giants game. His bomb to Santana Moss wasn't within 15 yards of him. Seems like all he's comfortable with right now is the 5-15 yard pass down the middle of the field. Don't tell me Zorn wouldn't have opened up the playbook if Campbell hit Kelly on that first play of the game. Campbell's got to give the coach a reason to have faith in him.

As for Receivers, a lot of teams do exponentially more with shittier receivers. Show me the jump balls they're not getting to first, and then I'll start to believe they're the problem. Tight, single coverage is OPEN to most QBs in the league. Not to JC. If you don't have at least 2 steps on the Defender, you're not getting the ball. Period.

PS - File this under RE-HASH[/quote]

Okay, let's be real. We're talking about two games! Someone please tell me EXACTLY how many long balls Cambpell hasn't connected on so far? This year?

Anybody?

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[quote=44Deezel;595619]Brees is great because he does what most QBs do some of the time all of the time. He consistently finds the single coverage and puts the ball where his WR is going to have the best chance of catching it. The Defender could be running a potato sack race with his Receiver and he's still going to throw it.

We all see other QBs throw into tight single coverage a few times a game, giving their Receivers a chance to make a play or draw a pass interference call. What we see a few times a game from most QBs, Brees seems to do with easy regularity.

Just once I'd like to see Campbell throw a ball downfield (doesn't have to be 50 yards either) to a receiver who is covered, and put it in a spot where his Receiver can at least make an attempt on the ball. Right now, he either doesn't make that pass or when he does, it's way friggin off.[/quote]

44Deezel, you've never seen Campbell throw or put the ball to a receiver who's covered since he's been a Redskin? I know I have.

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[quote=12thMan;595621]44Deezel, you've never seen Campbell throw or put the ball to a receiver who's covered since he's been a Redskin? I know I have.[/quote]

No, not really. And I've seen every pass he's made in a Skins uni. And I'm specifically talking about intermediate to long passes. the 10 yard in the middle of the field to Cooley is great. No denying he can make that pass all day. What I'd like to see more of are passes like the one he missed to Kelly on the first play of the Rams game. That's a pass he should attempt whether Kelly has a step on his Defender or both are running side by side. Give the WR a chance at making the play or drawing a pass interference call. Just to be clear, I'm talking about Jason Campbell. The QB for the Skins. Just want to make sure you're not referring to some other Campbell who plays for a college or CFL team.

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[quote=12thMan;595621]44Deezel, you've never seen Campbell throw or put the ball to a receiver who's covered since he's been a Redskin? I know I have.[/quote]

What hurts me are the balls that are thrown deep toward the sidline.

JC forever edges the ball out of bounds and hardly gives the receiver a shot at actually coming down with it. Even now when he throws deep toward the sideline I call it before it gets there...out of bounds...sure enough. : )

God bless JC but his deep accuracy is treacherous.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;595623]What hurts me are the balls that are thrown deep toward the sidline.

JC forever edges the ball out of bounds and hardly gives the receiver a shot at actually coming down with it. Even now when he throws deep toward the sideline I call it before it gets there...out of bounds...sure enough. : )

God bless JC but his deep accuracy is treacherous.[/quote]

Valid criticism. Hopefully, you won't get blasted for pointing out the obvious. Some might think Zorn should have designed the route to be more inbounds or that the receiver should have been able to jump 5 feat in the air or extend their arm 5 yards out of bounds to make a one-handed catch;)

Or maybe he's just trying to get a cheerleaders attention.