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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;595417]If these three things didn't happen, no one would be talking about Zorn on a hot seat:

1. Orakpo roughing the passer negating a turnover in Rams territory in the 1st Quarter
2. Thomas drops a TD pass
3. Sellers drops a TD pass

All this talk about play calling, but it's the players that have to execute the plays called. I've watched the game three times, and except for a few plays (critical that they were) I think they played an excellent all around game. The bottom line is they got the W.

[B]Oh yeah, the booooos were uncalled for really. If you were one of the ones booing, stay home.[/B][/quote]


I'll tell you this!...If I drive 2 hours to the game, possess tickets to occupy a spot in the stadium and then give my undivided attention to a game for more than 2 and half hours...I'll do what the hell I want to...INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO booing.

If you're trying to make fans feel bad about it or what I don't care. I'm not too concern with what you would moralistically do in my position. So why don't you stay home since you're so offended by the sounds of the game.

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I think the players should go all "Seinfeld" on some fans and go boo them. That'd be great

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[quote=Skinny Tee;595423]I'll tell you this!...If I drive 2 hours to the game, possess tickets to occupy a spot in the stadium and then give my undivided attention to a game for more than 2 and half hours...I'll do what the hell I want to...INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO booing.

If you're trying to make fans feel bad about it or what I don't care. I'm not too concern with what you would moralistically do in my position. So why don't you stay home since you're so offending by the sounds of the game.[/quote]

Fair enough, do what the hell you want to. After all you did drive all that way, and it is a free country. Why don't you go ahead and piss on the Rams fan in the seat in front of you if it makes you feel better after that long ass drive...I mean you do have tickets.

Oh, I promise you I'll be home. I'm in Germany trying to find the game on the internet.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;595435]Fair enough, do what the hell you want to. After all you did drive all that way, and it is a free country. Why don't you go ahead and piss on the Rams fan in the seat in front of you if it makes you feel better after that long ass drive...I mean you do have tickets.

[B]Oh, I promise you I'll be home. I'm in Germany trying to find the game on the internet.[/B][/quote]

lol...no wonder you don't boo they wouldn't be able to hear you if you tried.

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NBC's Redskins Showtime, with Dan Hellie and Lindsey Zdamnsheshotasshit, had a segment that asked the analysts, Doc Walker and Mike Wise, whether Jim Zorn is on the hot seat for this game, let alone the season.

They continued to ask whether Zorn would be let go after the lions game if they lost it, which is outrageous but seems to be something people are asking around town...it's a shame.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;595616]NBC's Redskins Showtime, with Dan Hellie and Lindsey Zdamnsheshotasshit, had a segment that asked the analysts, Doc Walker and Mike Wise, whether Jim Zorn is on the hot seat for this game, let alone the season.

They continued to ask whether Zorn would be let go after the lions game if they lost it, which is outrageous but seems to be something people are asking around town...it's a shame.[/quote]

Definitely a shame. I think all this discussion is definitely over the top and premature. Maybe I'm wrong, and they will blow it in Detroit...but I just don't see it.

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I'd say it's pretty safe to say that Zorn is on the hot seat...right.?

I guess it wasn't so crazy after all.

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This is Washington, DC and if you are a coach of the Washington Redskins are you going to be on the Hot Seat from Day 1.

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[quote=TheSmurfs22;597270]This is Washington, DC and if you are a coach of the Washington Redskins are you going to be on the Hot Seat from Day 1.[/quote]

That sounds logical to me from a front office standpoint.

Why not give a coach no leash to develop his own team and coaching personnel. It's been working for us so far.

That has worked for the Steelers all these years.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;597295]That sounds logical to me from a front office standpoint.

Why not give a coach no leash to develop his own team and coaching personnel. It's been working for us so far.

That has worked for the Steelers all these years.[/quote]

I understand your sarcasm. They have had the fewest caoches and th emost superbowls. Go figure. What a weird concept. lol

On that note. Lets get Cowher this offseason!!!! :D

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Zorn is clearly over his head, but I'm not sure he gets fired tomorrow. I'd understand it if he did though. I think we need to have a revolt as skins fans. we need to demand that the organization be held accountable for its complete and total failure. Synder needs to be less hands on (i don't hate him like others do), we need a GM, we need Vinny out (or at least a diminished role). we need a structural overhaul- and we needed it 5 years ago.

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[quote=dmvskinzfan08;597315]I understand your sarcasm. They have had the fewest caoches and th emost superbowls. Go figure. What a weird concept. lol

On that note. [B]Lets get Cowher this offseason!!!![/B] :D[/quote]

Yeah...let's do that and then allow him time to create his own coaching atomosphere and player personnel.

As long as we give him time and let ONLY HIM control his own fate with no outside influence then seriously I'll take anybody.

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[quote=BrunellMVP?;597338]Zorn is clearly over his head, but I'm not sure he gets fired tomorrow. I'd understand it if he did though. I think we need to have a revolt as skins fans. we need to demand that the organization be held accountable for its complete and total failure. [B]Synder needs to be less hands on (i don't hate him like others do), we need a GM, we need Vinny out (or at least a diminished role)[/B]. we need a structural overhaul- and we needed it 5 years ago.[/quote]

You're a better man than me because my Snyder hate is seething right now.

My Cerrato hate pretty much parallels my Snyder hate but Snyder controls the employment status of Cerrato so thus the greater amount of hate there.

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[quote=SmootSmack;595426]I think the players should go all "Seinfeld" on some fans and go boo them. That'd be great[/quote]

Please explain this one. I am limited when it comes to Seinfeld references.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;597350]You're a better man than me because my Snyder hate is seething right now.

My Cerrato hate pretty much parallels my Snyder hate but Snyder controls the employment status of Cerrato so thus the greater amount of hate there.[/quote]

So no hate for the guys actually calling the plays?

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We need to keep the D and Offensive schemes the same. A west coast coach to take Zorn's place. The D will be fine they have carried the team the first 3 weeks so the D is not the problem. Zorn is.

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Sad fact is the FO doesn't have a structural plan in place to build a long term winner. The dumb draft moves we make are a clear signal to this, along with the totaly insane over the top FA spending. Wasn't it Gibbs last draft where we drafted 3 RB's when we already had our current RB lineup in place? Orakpo was a really nice pickup at the time, but I think he is going to end up a so so player in terms of impact for us and will be let go once his contract is up. I know it is really early to say that, but he isn't an impact player thus far like Arrington, Taylor, Bailey, or Smoot were as rooks. We needed to go O line first and always until you get at least 4 quality linemen.

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[quote=Green1;597387]We need to keep the D and Offensive schemes the same. A west coast coach to take Zorn's place. The D will be fine they have carried the team the first 3 weeks so the D is not the problem. Zorn is.[/quote]


That is not a good idea for the fact is we have a Gibbs personnel team for a WCo offense. The big speedy Wr's should be used for a long north south passing attack. Look at our lack of offensive production in terms of scoring. THe WCO sucks rocks. JC was stuck hitting Moss and co on the short underneath routes all day, but only 7 points to account for it. You have a QB that loves the long ball and a new WR corp built for the long ball. Moss is a long ball WR and always will be. I say bury the WCO!!!! It is a relic of the 80's-90's!!!!!!!!!

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[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4509616]Source: Washington Redskins coach Jim Zorn safe ... for now - ESPN[/url]

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[quote=GusFrerotte;597414]That is not a good idea for the fact is we have a Gibbs personnel team for a WCo offense. The big speedy Wr's should be used for a long north south passing attack. Look at our lack of offensive production in terms of scoring. THe WCO sucks rocks. JC was stuck hitting Moss and co on the short underneath routes all day, but only 7 points to account for it. You have a QB that loves the long ball and a new WR corp built for the long ball. Moss is a long ball WR and always will be. I say bury the WCO!!!! It is a relic of the 80's-90's!!!!!!!!![/quote]

If we want to win now we cannot change the systems again.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;597414]That is not a good idea for the fact is we have a Gibbs personnel team for a WCo offense. The big speedy Wr's should be used for a long north south passing attack. Look at our lack of offensive production in terms of scoring. THe WCO sucks rocks. JC was stuck hitting Moss and co on the short underneath routes all day, but only 7 points to account for it. You have a QB that loves the long ball and a new WR corp built for the long ball. Moss is a long ball WR and always will be. I say bury the WCO!!!! It is a relic of the 80's-90's!!!!!!!!![/quote]

You are right my friend, we have never been a WCO team and all of sudden we became one over night. I don't think our personnel is built for a WCO as much as an Air Coryell offense. Maybe if Zorn gets canned that we should hire Cam Cameron so that he can bring us back to the offense that we know and love. Air Coryell!!

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I think the only way for Zorn to save his job is to change quarterbacks and he'll never do that.

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[quote=JLee9718;597633]I think the only way for Zorn to save his job is to change quarterbacks and he'll never do that.[/quote]

And he shouldn't. If we can't win with JC it's certainly not going to happen with Collins.

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Our problems don't change just because Zorn is fired.

We need a resolution to our problems as a whole.

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They'll be some head coaching vacanies around the NFL after this football season. When Zorn gets his second head coaching gig on another team this offseason things shouldn't be so stressful for him.

Good luck on next year's head coaching gig Zorn.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;597763]They'll be some head coaching vacanies around the NFL after this football season. When Zorn gets his second head coaching gig on another team this offseason things shouldn't be so stressful for him.

Good luck on next year's head coaching gig Zorn.[/quote]

He'll prob be back somewhere as a coordinator or QB coach.

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[quote=Ruhskins;597767]He'll prob be back somewhere as a coordinator or QB coach.[/quote]

I just wanted to see people's laughable reaction at him taking a head coaching somewhere else...

Zorn head coaching is just like Cerrato GMing elsewhere, completely unhirable anywhere else in the league.

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Love him or hate him, I think the teame would (and showed it) go to the wall for JOE2. I think that is NOT true with JZ, and gives no signs of improving?
BIG problem............

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[quote=Skinny Tee;597775]I just wanted to see people's laughable reaction at him taking a head coaching somewhere else...

Zorn head coaching is just like Cerrato GMing elsewhere, completely unhirable anywhere else in the league.[/quote]

I don't think Zorn has a future above the QB coach level in the league. Maybe as an offensive coordinator somewhere but with no playcalling duties.

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Eff a hot seat. He needs to be put in the electric chair without a wet sponge.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;597796]Eff a hot seat. He needs to be put in the electric chair without a wet sponge.[/quote]

Green Mile sans the whimsy.

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Isn't that strange that none of us "moronic" fans think that Zorn would ever be considered for a head coaching spot for another team in this league but he's our current head coach?

Who are the morons here?

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Any coach that comes here is going to have to deal with a difficult management. I do not envy them just like I do not envy Zorn.

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[quote=TheSmurfs22;597816]Any coach that comes here is going to have to deal with a difficult management. I do not envy them just like I do not envy Zorn.[/quote]

Not smart sought after coaches like Steve Spagnulo.

He came for a 3 day interview and split town in a day and a half citing the his lack of interest in working with this managment structure.

He'd rather have a fair shake somewhere else where he can coach uninfluenced by frivilous outside factors.

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[quote=TheSmurfs22;597816]Any coach that comes here is going to have to deal with a difficult management. I do not envy them just like I do not envy Zorn.[/quote]

I don't know what was more impressive. Gibbs winning 3 Super Bowls with 3 different QBs or Gibbs taking this pathetic lot to the playoffs 2 out of 4 years;)

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The first reaction after a loss such as this is normally more emotional than rational. Those posters who have "sworn off the Redskins", "I'll never watch another game" etc etc. I'll bet just about any amount of money that next Sunday, you'll either be at the stadium or parked on front of a TV wearing your burgundy and gold.

But that not withstanding I just came across this:
[URL="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2009/09/time_to_make_a_change_obviousl.html"]D.C. Sports Bog - Time to Make a Change, Obviously[/URL]

If even half of those staements are true, there is much more issues than just getting rid of Zorn and Campbell.

If half of those statements are true, the Redskins are in full-fledge implosion.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;597826]The first reaction after a loss such as this is normally more emotional than rational. Those posters who have "sworn off the Redskins", "I'll never watch another game" etc etc. I'll bet just about any amount of money that next Sunday, you'll either be at the stadium or parked on front of a TV wearing your burgundy and gold.

But that not withstanding I just came across this:
[URL="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2009/09/time_to_make_a_change_obviousl.html"]D.C. Sports Bog - Time to Make a Change, Obviously[/URL]

If even half of those staements are true, there is much more issues than just getting rid of Zorn and Campbell.

If half of those statements are true, the Redskins are in full-fledge implosion.[/quote]

You'd not be so dismissive if the Boys had just lost to the worst team in the NFL.

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Simple... Let's FIRE "ZORN" or "BENCH" Campbell please, I cant take it anymore.

Re: Zorn On The Hot Seat
 

[quote=sandtrapjack;597826]The first reaction after a loss such as this is normally more emotional than rational. Those posters who have "sworn off the Redskins", "I'll never watch another game" etc etc. I'll bet just about any amount of money that next Sunday, you'll either be at the stadium or parked on front of a TV wearing your burgundy and gold.

But that not withstanding I just came across this:
[URL="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2009/09/time_to_make_a_change_obviousl.html"]D.C. Sports Bog - Time to Make a Change, Obviously[/URL]

If even half of those staements are true, there is much more issues than just getting rid of Zorn and Campbell.

If half of those statements are true, the Redskins are in full-fledge implosion.[/quote]

Please excuse yourself from our house...

...this is an internal issue and we're having family time.

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I asked Matty if we could take down Zorn's picture and put up Reed Doughty's. That was before we got handled like a red headed step child. He might not be the best safety in the NFL but at least he's got heart. Maybe it's because he can't hear the play calls?