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[quote=SBXVII;600918]This might be intreging if our season continues down the current path. A hard nosed GM and a hard chinned...I mean nosed HC might straighten out the players looking for the free ride and ge them performing.

I found this under Cowher's Wiki:

[B][I]Cowher began his coaching career in 1985 at age 28 under [/I][/B][URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/wiki/Marty_Schottenheimer"][COLOR=#0000ff][B][I]Marty Schottenheimer[/I][/B][/COLOR][/URL][B][I] with the [/I][/B][URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/wiki/Cleveland_Browns"][COLOR=#0000ff][B][I]Cleveland Browns[/I][/B][/COLOR][/URL][B][I]. He was the Browns' special teams coach in 1985–86 and secondary coach in 1987–88 before following Schottenheimer to the [/I][/B][URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/wiki/Kansas_City_Chiefs"][COLOR=#0000ff][B][I]Kansas City Chiefs[/I][/B][/COLOR][/URL][B][I] in 1989 as defensive coordinator.[/I][/B]

Assuming we bring Marty in as GM and Cowher in as HC, could we steal or get Marty's son Brian from the Jets to be OC? Unless we give him some fansy name like Asst. HC could we even bring him on board unless his contract is up and if someone knows when that would be?

Then who do we bring in as DC?[/quote]

That's very interesting. Might just work!! Sound great IMO. We definitely don't have problems dishing out money for coaching staffs.

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[quote=PennSkinsFan;599949]I oppose any new head coach move without a front office change. Without a new GM and a traditional GM role, you get an upgraded coach with the same organizational dysfunction. I am also not in favor of Mike Holmgren doing both roles. Go back to the traditional redskin approach that led to Superbowls. get yourself a good GM, hire a good Coach, then rebuild the franchise.[/quote]

That is the key, getting a great GM. Then have Snyder take a half step back in his current role player/roster management.
The dynamic duo of Snyder/Cerratto have proven over time they do not have the ability to keep this team stocked with quality/young players. I also think their selection of this coaching staff was not good.
It is time for a new young/up and coming GM. First Priority.

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Mike Shanahan makes way too much sense as the next HC. Vinny and him go way back to SF. Besides i doubt any of the other coaches out there would want to work with Vinny and Snyder wont fire him.

Might not be too bad of an idea either. When he was in denver they ran the crap out of the ball and ran it well. Always a good OL. Which is what you need in the NFCE. I think its going to happen if we don't get to the playoffs this year.

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[quote=SBXVII;600918]This might be intreging if our season continues down the current path. A hard nosed GM and a hard chinned...I mean nosed HC might straighten out the players looking for the free ride and ge them performing.

I found this under Cowher's Wiki:

[B][I]Cowher began his coaching career in 1985 at age 28 under [/I][/B][URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/wiki/Marty_Schottenheimer"][COLOR=#0000ff][B][I]Marty Schottenheimer[/I][/B][/COLOR][/URL][B][I] with the [/I][/B][URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/wiki/Cleveland_Browns"][COLOR=#0000ff][B][I]Cleveland Browns[/I][/B][/COLOR][/URL][B][I]. He was the Browns' special teams coach in 1985–86 and secondary coach in 1987–88 before following Schottenheimer to the [/I][/B][URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/wiki/Kansas_City_Chiefs"][COLOR=#0000ff][B][I]Kansas City Chiefs[/I][/B][/COLOR][/URL][B][I] in 1989 as defensive coordinator.[/I][/B]

Assuming we bring Marty in as GM and Cowher in as HC, could we steal or get Marty's son Brian from the Jets to be OC? Unless we give him some fansy name like Asst. HC could we even bring him on board unless his contract is up and if someone knows when that would be?

Then who do we bring in as DC?[/quote]
Sounds like a great plan if Zorn does not work out.

For DC, how about Greg Manusky?. I'm not convinced that Blache is a failure, he did rally the team to some tough second-halfs this year and we're only giving up about ONE offensive TD per game.

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[quote=skinsfan69;599901]So football isn't important in Green Bay??? They've got some of the most educated football fans in the NFL. They live sleep eat and breath football up there. But I think Holmgren is what this team needs. Now if we could get him as our coach and get rid of Vinny then we're on our way![/quote]
What do you mean? Vinny did a great job with the 49ers! Now he is doing the same for the Redskins! Campbell has to go!

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I think Holmgren is a great choice to get the skins back on track. Whether he takes them to the SuperBowl is questionable. I would just like to see a consistent team that is building toward something. Just reaching the playoffs a couple of years in a row is good enough for me.

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Holmgren was on Mike & Mike yesterday morning and mentioned that he was enjoying his 1st year off, but wanted to come back and coach next year. So, if Zorn gets canned he would be the perfect fit to take over, that is if he wants to come here.

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[quote=Buster;603297]Sounds like a great plan if Zorn does not work out.

For DC, how about Greg Manusky?. I'm not convinced that Blache is a failure, he did rally the team to some tough second-halfs this year and we're only giving up about ONE offensive TD per game.[/quote]I actually think Blache is doing a better job this year than last year. Last year, he was an unmitigated disaster. This year, his original gameplans have been completely hit or miss, but he's done a good job with halftime adjustments in all games...and that represents a vast improvement over last year.

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[quote=GTripp0012;603323]I actually think Blache is doing a better job this year than last year. Last year, he was an unmitigated disaster. This year, his original gameplans have been completely hit or miss, but he's done a good job with halftime adjustments in all games...and that represents a vast improvement over last year.[/quote]
Unmitigated disaster with the 4th-ranked Defense in the NFL?

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[quote=Buster;603432]Unmitigated disaster with the 4th-ranked Defense in the NFL?[/quote]Yep.

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All of these ideas sound great. What's Danny's #?

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[quote=redsk1;603449]All of these ideas sound great. What's Danny's #?[/quote]

I think it was Irish who told me Danny could be reached at 1-800-ASS-HOLE.

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[quote=redsk1;603449]all of these ideas sound great. What's danny's #?[/quote]

877-393-4448

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[quote=SmootSmack;600913]But speaking on Sirius NFL radio Monday, Schottenheimer said he was intrigued about serving in a Bill Parcells-type role with Bill Cowher if he decided to return to coaching.

[url=http://www.nfljuice.com/2008/12/09/schotts-and-cowher-in-cleveland/]Schotts and Cowher in Cleveland?*|*F Juice.com[/url]

And I'm sure I've seen Cowher say he'd be interested in that too[/quote]

That would be an ideal situation for us. However, i'd want Snyder to sign both of them to 5+ year contracts that would be large enough he couldn't "afford" to can them after 2 years if things started out slow.

One other idea that would intrigue me is Holmgren as GM with Shanahan, Gruden, or even Dungy (if he was interested) as head coach. I honestly don't think Cerrato is that bad of a personnel guy - I honestly think he's got quite a bit of talent - its just that he either doesnt have the balls (or authority) to say no to Snyder. I fully beleive that Gibbs got whatever he wanted personnel-wise when he was here, and I dont think anyone other than the guys i've mentioned would carry enough clout in this organization to have final say.

That said, NONE of those guys i've mentioned should be a HC/GM. We need one smart, proven, football guy acting as a true GM with total authority over football operations and another smart, proven, football guy as our head coach. This is the NFC-East. Having a "GM" operating with one hand tied behind his back (Cerrato) and an unproven, inexperienced HC/PlayCaller/QB coach like Zorn is never, EVER going to work and Snyder was a fool for even entertaining the idea.

In 2010, we need to go into full-on, rebuilding mode. None of this "half-a$$ed rebuilding while committing huge chunks of future salary cap to old veterans in an attempt to win the superbowl every year" stuff thats kept us a perennial mediocre, 8-8, give or take a few, team over the past 10 years. Its time to get ourselves a real GM with total authority and a proven HC. We need to use the uncapped 2010 year to shed contracts for overpaid, underperforming guys like Randy Thomas, Casey Rabach, ARE, Clinton Portis, (Yes, Clinton Portis), Ladell Betts, Rock Cartwright, Andre Carter, Cornelius Griffin, and Fred Smoot and start building through the draft. 2011 will be capped again, so 2010 is the time to cut all the "fat." With all these changes, 2010 is probably going to suck. As will 2011. But if we play our cards right, around 2012 we will be poised to compete with the annual contenders - teams like the Giants, Steelers, Patriots, and Colts.

I'm not "giving up" on 2009. I'll still root for the team every sunday. But until Snyder effects some real change, this franchise will never, ever be great again. Its week 4 of the 2009/2010 Season. When the seasons over, i'm sure i'll be hearing rumors that Zorn's been replaced by Jim Fassel, Steve Marriucci or some other POS coach - I atleast want to dream that some real change could happen around here.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;603466][B]In 2010, we need to go into full-on, rebuilding mode.[/B] None of this "half-a$$ed rebuilding while committing huge chunks of future salary cap to old veterans in an attempt to win the superbowl every year" stuff thats kept us a perennial mediocre, 8-8, give or take a few, team over the past 10 years. Its time to get ourselves a real GM with total authority and a proven HC. We need to use the uncapped 2010 year to shed contracts for overpaid, underperforming guys like Randy Thomas, Casey Rabach, ARE, Clinton Portis, (Yes, Clinton Portis), Ladell Betts, Rock Cartwright, Andre Carter, Cornelius Griffin, and Fred Smoot and start building through the draft. 2011 will be capped again, so 2010 is the time to cut all the "fat." With all these changes, 2010 is probably going to suck. As will 2011. But if we play our cards right, around 2012 we will be poised to compete with the annual contenders - teams like the Giants, Steelers, Patriots, and Colts.[/quote]

Sadly, the ownership and the fans don't have the patience for this.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;600905]So Cowher would actually have someone high up scouting players for him and he would just have the final say on all personel decisions or would he essentially do almost everything himself?[/quote]
never caught that much info