Re: Jason Campbell for Vince Young ? Who would you rather have?
 

Our offense is holding this team hostage and HC Zorn this falls on your shoulders cause you had all off season to fix this and its worst than last season. Shame on you for not having any balls if you think we needed to draft a Linebackers(Henson,Cody Glenn) rather than O-Lineman . You are to nice and nice guys get their lunch money taken

Re: Jason Campbell for Vince Young ? Who would you rather have?
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;606694]I honestly don't know bro, Listen I like JC but he has a BAD record as a Starter, every year we make excuses for JC, and every year he struggles, as a die hard skins fan you have to agree that it's time for a change of QB and head coach[/quote]

I'm fine with trying new blood but keep JC on as a backup TC should be getting ready to hang it up anyway soon. His age will catch up with him and his isn't Saunders offense and he struggled in the preseason. JC can be a NFL starter with the right tools and production from others.

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Right now i dont what the answer is at QB in this sorry ass system and terrible O-Lineman. We have 3 second round picks who have not excelled in the offense. They say it all starts up front and up front it doesn't look good. I guess Jon Jansen wasnt so bad.

Re: Jason Campbell for Vince Young ? Who would you rather have?
 

[quote=Redskin Warrior;606698]I'm fine with trying new blood but keep JC on as a backup TC should be getting ready to hang it up anyway soon. His age will catch up with him and his isn't Saunders offense and he struggled in the preseason. JC can be a NFL starter with the right tools and production from others.[/quote]

I agree man, jc would be the best backup in the NFL and I'm not knocking him, the dude has heart but lacks real star talent

Re: Jason Campbell for Vince Young ? Who would you rather have?
 

Well the only way we get a great QB is to draft 1 and we don't have a good track recorded drafting QB's. So I'm not thinking drafting a QB with our 1st round pick in 2010 cause its not easy evauluating QB's out of college. Every WR gets open in college football but in the NFL that window so much smaller.

Re: Jason Campbell for Vince Young ? Who would you rather have?
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;606700]I agree man, jc would be the best backup in the NFL and I'm not knocking him, the dude has heart but lacks real star talent[/quote]

His talent is there but his development has been hindered tremendously. From high school to college there is an adjusment to be made whether it is the speed of the game or whatever same with the pros. Most high school & college QB's go through the same system throughout their 3 or 4 years. And if they do change systems it's once not more than that Campbell is in his seven or eight (not sure which one) system since his senior year in high school.

All four years in Auburn he changed systems and still lead his team to a 13-0 season. That's hard to have to learn a position on another level and a new system every year or so. And still manage to perform good enough to remain the starter every year. Rapid changes in agenda has made JC think more about things that most QB's get down pat in college. Matt Ryan you can tell he came from a pro-like system in college plus he was a 4-year starter in the same system as well. His growing pains aren't like JC at all.

I truly believe if he is in a system for at least three years consecutively he could be something special look at Brady he sitting behind Bledsoe in NE for a while in the same system. The Pats replaced coordinators but the system is still in place. Peyton changed from Mora's to Dungy look how long his was in that system 6 or 7 years at least before they won the big one. Eli has been under the same system since he was drafted in NY he looked like a bust at one time now he looks better than his brother at times. It's all about the right structure and stability we don't have it yet.

Re: Jason Campbell for Vince Young ? Who would you rather have?
 

[quote=Redskin Warrior;606709]His talent is there but his development has been hindered tremendously. From high school to college there is an adjusment to be made whether it is the speed of the game or whatever same with the pros. Most high school & college QB's go through the same system throughout their 3 or 4 years. And if they do change systems it's once not more than that Campbell is in his seven or eight (not sure which one) system since his senior year in high school.

All four years in Auburn he changed systems and still lead his team to a 13-0 season. That's hard to have to learn a position on another level and a new system every year or so. And still manage to perform good enough to remain the starter every year. Rapid changes in agenda has made JC think more about things that most QB's get down pat in college. Matt Ryan you can tell he came from a pro-like system in college plus he was a 4-year starter in the same system as well. His growing pains aren't like JC at all.

I truly believe if he is in a system for at least three years consecutively he could be something special look at Brady he sitting behind Bledsoe in NE for a while in the same system. The Pats replaced coordinators but the system is still in place. Peyton changed from Mora's to Dungy look how long his was in that system 6 or 7 years at least before they won the big one. Eli has been under the same system since he was drafted in NY he looked like a bust at one time now he looks better than his brother at times. It's all about the right structure and stability we don't have it yet.[/quote]

We won't have stablity because Dan will fire Zorn and JC will not be back next season. So I guess we will have to learn a new system again. But the system we have now doesnt fit the players we have here on offense.

Re: Jason Campbell for Vince Young ? Who would you rather have?
 

Eli has lost ALL of his skill players the last 2 1/2 years , Barber=shockey=Plax=Toomer , romo-girl has lost , Keyshawn-Glenn-TO<RW hurt > , McNabb has never had great WR's and this year he and Kolb have put 30 pts per game w/ westbrook out/hurt . JC is an ok QB , if he were on Denver ,Cinc. Ind. or Minn, those teams would be 2-3 , not 4-1 / 5-0. JC is a great guy and hard worker , just not a very good NFL Qb.

Re: Jason Campbell for Vince Young ? Who would you rather have?
 

Why trade one bad QB for a worse QB. I wouldnt want either.

Re: Jason Campbell for Vince Young ? Who would you rather have?
 

I want to let the new GM pick a new QB for his hand picked HC. And I want to go 1-15 next year while we raze the current team/staff to the ground. And I want the fans to be patient with the new regime. And I want DS not to binge/purge like an anorexic schoolgirl owner. And I want a billion dollars.

I know one of those things ain't happening. I hope the others do.

Re: Jason Campbell for Vince Young ? Who would you rather have?
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;606729]I want to let the new GM pick a new QB for his hand picked HC. And I want to go 1-15 next year while we raze the current team/staff to the ground. And I want the fans to be patient with the new regime. And I want DS not to binge/purge like an anorexic schoolgirl owner. And I want a billion dollars.

I know one of those things ain't happening. I hope the others do.[/quote]
Brilliant ! We can only hope , I will settle for 1 million , not that I couldn't do more with a billion :)

Re: Jason Campbell for Vince Young ? Who would you rather have?
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;606729]I want to let the new GM pick a new QB for his hand picked HC. And I want to go 1-15 next year while we raze the current team/staff to the ground. And I want the fans to be patient with the new regime. And I want DS not to binge/purge like an anorexic schoolgirl owner. And I want a billion dollars.

I know one of those things ain't happening. I hope the others do.[/quote]


For the record people who suffer from anorexia don't pinge/ purge, you may wanted to say bulimic school girl.

Re: Jason Campbell for Vince Young ? Who would you rather have?
 

[quote=skins89moss;606545]I have been a support of JC since he has been here but today I come to realize that JC is not suited for the WC offense. If we let JC walk at the end of the year who do we have as our starter? I think the Titans would be willing to let Vince Young go for the right compensation so would you rather make a deal for Young or Keep Jason Campbell ( Soup to some of you)?[/quote]

You're joking right?

Vince Young wouldn't make it in Washington.
He would get eaten alive his 1st bad game.

Depending on how JC plays he could still earn a chance with the new regime.

Re: Jason Campbell for Vince Young ? Who would you rather have?
 

Shit thread

There is no comparison between JC and VY. AT least JC has proven he can hit wide open receivers in-between throwing his interceptions. Vince Young is just plain bad.

Re: Jason Campbell for Vince Young ? Who would you rather have?
 

JC- without question because he has a smaller cap number.

Re: Jason Campbell for Vince Young ? Who would you rather have?
 

i'd rather have my 3 year old niece playing. JC is a dumb idiot who has no clue what he is doing.

Re: Jason Campbell for Vince Young ? Who would you rather have?
 

[quote=redskins1974;606823]i'd rather have my 3 year old niece playing. JC is a dumb idiot who has no clue what he is doing.[/quote]

If you want to make a completely asinine comment like that, at least provide some sort of info to state why you feel that way. Otherwise you just look ignorant.

Please cancel your account and take this retarded statement to ES...

Re: Jason Campbell for Vince Young ? Who would you rather have?
 

[quote=redskins1974;606823]i'd rather have my 3 year old niece playing. JC is a dumb idiot who has no clue what he is doing.[/quote]

i bet your 3 year old niece can post more intelligent comments than you can. lol.

Re: Jason Campbell for Vince Young ? Who would you rather have?
 

If VY is even an option we're seriously F'd

Re: Jason Campbell for Vince Young ? Who would you rather have?
 

how is this still a thread? Vince Young for Jason Campbell. I may not think JC is the best thing for the Redskins but Vince Young??? This doeesn't deserve discussion because this is ridiculous to think Vince Young would be a better option than JC

Re: Jason Campbell for Vince Young ? Who would you rather have?
 

I would rather have Kyle Orton

Re: Jason Campbell for Vince Young ? Who would you rather have?
 

[quote=redskins1974;606823]i'd rather have my 3 year old niece playing. JC is a dumb idiot who has no clue what he is doing.[/quote]


I take my thread comment back. This is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. I bet your three year old niece also could give better insight on what is going on in D.C better than you could. JC is a dumb idiot? Haha

Re: Jason Campbell for Vince Young ? Who would you rather have?
 

Here's a couple of the FAs for 2010 that should be available, better to think of these guys than VY:

Kellen Clemens, Brodie Croyle

Brady Quinn could probably be picked up on the cheap at this point also. I'm not saying we should can JC yet, but things aren't looking good.

Re: Jason Campbell for Vince Young ? Who would you rather have?
 

[quote=T.O.Killa;606838]I would rather have Kyle Orton[/quote]

Whenever you get a chance turn on sportscenter or NFL Network watch the highlights from the Denver game. Orton has two legit receivers good fresh young RB & had all day to throw. He didn't have all that in Chicago JC doesn't have that here.

Re: Jason Campbell for Vince Young ? Who would you rather have?
 

JC might surprise everybody if he had a decent O-Line in front of him.

Re: Jason Campbell for Vince Young ? Who would you rather have?
 

[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;606842]Here's a couple of the FAs for 2010 that should be available, better to think of these guys than VY:

Kellen Clemens, Brodie Croyle

Brady Quinn could probably be picked up on the cheap at this point also. I'm not saying we should can JC yet, but things aren't looking good.[/quote]

we just need a top 5 pick to get young Qb to groom, if we hire a real GM and a real coach. I am willing to have the team struggle for a few years if we can build the team right.

Re: Jason Campbell for Vince Young ? Who would you rather have?
 

Is this a real question?

Re: Jason Campbell for Vince Young ? Who would you rather have?
 

[quote=redskins5044;606860]we just need a top 5 pick to get young Qb to groom, if we hire a real GM and a real coach. I am willing to have the team struggle for a few years if we can build the team right.[/quote]

If we have a top five pick we need a top five o-lineman

Re: Jason Campbell for Vince Young ? Who would you rather have?
 

[quote=Redskin Warrior;606845]Whenever you get a chance turn on sportscenter or NFL Network watch the highlights from the Denver game. Orton has two legit receivers good fresh young RB & had all day to throw. He didn't have all that in Chicago JC doesn't have that here.[/quote]
You make nice points . I did see the Denver game , it looked to me like Orten threw the ball on his 3rd step = he very quickly "let her rip" ? At this point I doubt it matters = we are not going to bring in OL / qb who would make much difference this year . 2 wins vs dallas , thats what I want for Christmas ... err ... among other things :)

Re: Jason Campbell for Vince Young ? Who would you rather have?
 

Neither one! Let Vinny draft a QB in the seventh round.

Re: Jason Campbell for Vince Young ? Who would you rather have?
 

[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;606842]Brady Quinn could probably be picked up on the cheap at this point also. I'm not saying we should can JC yet, but things aren't looking good.[/quote]

I would give "pretty boy" Quinn a try, maybe under a different system and coaching staff (if we get our shit together) he would flourish.

Re: Jason Campbell for Vince Young ? Who would you rather have?
 

After looking at this weeks game and previous games, Campbell has great numbers. But who wouldnt if you average 15 plays for under 5 yards. His decision making is very under developed, Quicker decision making and he needs to relax in the pocket. Offensive line has been giving him plenty of time, but he runs in the pocket like a chicken with its head cut off.

Re: Jason Campbell for Vince Young ? Who would you rather have?
 

[quote=SFREDSKIN;606925]I would give "pretty boy" Quinn a try, maybe under a different system and coaching staff (if we get our shit together) he would flourish.[/quote]

Right! I always liked Quinn and if our FO got it together he may be decent.

Can't knock the Irish lol

Re: Jason Campbell for Vince Young ? Who would you rather have?
 

[quote=REDSKINS1980;606951]After looking at this weeks game and previous games, Campbell has great numbers. But who wouldnt if you average 15 plays for under 5 yards. His decision making is very under developed, Quicker decision making and he needs to relax in the pocket. [B]Offensive line has been giving him plenty of time[/B], but he runs in the pocket like a chicken with its head cut off.[/quote]

What game were you watching?

Re: Jason Campbell for Vince Young ? Who would you rather have?
 

[quote=REDSKINS1980;606951]After looking at this weeks game and previous games, Campbell has great numbers. But who wouldnt if you average 15 plays for under 5 yards. His decision making is very under developed, Quicker decision making and he needs to relax in the pocket. [B]Offensive line has been giving him plenty of time[/B], but he runs in the pocket like a chicken with its head cut off.[/quote]

This is a sure-fire FAIL statement.

Re: Jason Campbell for Vince Young ? Who would you rather have?
 

how much time do you expect for the offensive line to give campbell, We run the same play action pass over and over, the plays are so predictable.

Re: Jason Campbell for Vince Young ? Who would you rather have?
 

[quote=REDSKINS1980;606967]how much time do you expect for the offensive line to give campbell, We run the same play action pass over and over, the plays are so predictable.[/quote]

Agreed, we run the same plays over and over and Zorn & CO have zero imagination BUT, the O-Line has been pathetic thus far in run and Pass blocking.

Wanna know why Kyle Orton is having such success? He gets more than 2.1 seconds to make a read and throw the ball. I'm not putting it all on the O-Line, JC has made bad throws and decisions all year but I think he would do a little better if he could get some blocking and a little run game, huh?

Re: Jason Campbell for Vince Young ? Who would you rather have?
 

[quote=REDSKINS1980;606967]how much time do you expect for the offensive line to give campbell, We run the same play action pass over and over, the plays are so predictable.[/quote]

Cooley couldn't run any patterns bc the o-line sucked so bad we had to let our most reliable option block all game. Plus run that same play isn't on JC that is Zorn's doing he calls the plays.

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totally agree with you, the running game has been pathetic, but sellers has not been pushing as he did in the previous years. the offensive line is blocking to the designed plays. think about the screen plays we ran over and over yesterday. it is a 3 step drop pass and go. those plays are not designed to block for a long amount of time.

Re: Jason Campbell for Vince Young ? Who would you rather have?
 

[quote=REDSKINS1980;606975]totally agree with you, the running game has been pathetic, but sellers has not been pushing as he did in the previous years. the offensive line is blocking to the designed plays. think about the screen plays we ran over and over yesterday. it is a 3 step drop pass and go. those plays are not designed to block for a long amount of time.[/quote]

Say what want about JC but he won the TB game throwing the deep ball winning touchdown. Why did we throw only one deep ball all game? Was it play calling or the fact that our line wouldn't hold up. Either way that is not going to win games point blank. The three step drop pass isn't going to cut it. Throw the deep ball at least to keep the defense honest.