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Gruden's not a team builder, but he's leaps and bounds beyond Zorn's abilities. At least we'd have a head coach who knows more about football than the average fan.

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[quote=skins89moss;607390]At least Fassel has won more and has more balls than Zorn. I don't want Fassel im just saying I'd take him over Zorn. At least he was a HC.[/quote]

I'd take a cardboard cut-out of Fassel over Jim Zorn.

I'd take half-eaten macaroni salad over Jim Zorn.

I'd take a big rock with a smiley face on it over Jim Zorn.

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[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;607537]I'd take a cardboard cut-out of Fassel over Jim Zorn.

I'd take half-eaten macaroni salad over Jim Zorn.

I'd take a big rock with a smiley face on it over Jim Zorn.[/quote]

Thats some funny sh*t:lol:

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[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;607534]Gruden's not a team builder, but he's leaps and bounds beyond Zorn's abilities. At least we'd have a head coach who knows more about football than the average fan.[/quote]

very true, gruden's success came from driving a team that tony dungy built. We need a man who can build and drive the train forward.

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[quote=REDSKINS1980;607570]very true, gruden's success came from driving a team that tony dungy built. We need a man who can build and drive the train forward.[/quote]

And who would that man be?

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1. Cowher
2. Holmgren
3. Dungy

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[quote=REDSKINS1980;607574]1. Cowher
2. Holmgren
3. Dungy[/quote]

1. Not coming to DC
2. Maybe
3. Not coming back to football

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[quote=skins89moss;607401]They are so sick of watching our offense not score that they are talking themselves into wanting Tebow as our QB. He should not be drafted no earlier that the 4th round than maybe.[/quote]

I've watched this guy for 4 years and he isn't NEARLY the passer Chris Leak was and where is Chris Leak? It's the stupid ass media that can't get enough of him. Great college player w/ 0 potential as an NFL QB. I wouldn't even draft this guy.

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[quote=REDSKINS1980;607574]1. Cowher
2. Holmgren
3. Dungy[/quote]

Dungy, HA that's rich. I'd love that but he's not that stupid. Maybe if Gibbs was the President and only then b/c of their religious connection.

Cowher delivered in Pittsburgh but their FO/fanbase was VERY patient with him. I can't expect the same from ours. On the plus side he would have a talented defense to start with...something that is a must for him.

Holmgren is a good choice for the FO but i don't know if he has it as a coach any more. Sure he wants to win a superbowl but i'm afraid he's seen too many teams to have the patience to coach this one up. Moving Zorn to OC or QB coach would be a possibility hear so i like the consistency aspect of it.

Gruden is a gimmicky pick. I feel that with him its an all or nothing shot. He could be really good by finally controlling a team which is willing to go out and get the talent he wants. He could also be a complete flop if his eventual pick in Tebow can't make the NFL leap. One thing is tru about this guy, he knows football and puts in long hours. He won't be making any coaching mistakes, that's for sure.

Shanahan is my favorite simply b/c he has the ability to get the best work out of the talent he has. He is a master of making game-time adjustments, something that btw the redskins have lacked since Gibbs 1.0. Shanahan is also a well respected coach who could come in and instantly get the players to buy in. He has proven that he can make a perennial winner and with the deep pockets of DS, he could be a force to be reckoned with. Reuniting him with Portis is an added bonus.

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God I hate Gruden. Vastly overrated. expect more of the same.

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I wouldn't be upset w/ Gruden. I would be upset if VC stays. As long as we have the current FO setup here we'll be average. We been average for 10 years. We've employed coaches of all different stripes but they had one thing in common, they had average teams.

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Wow, even then Snyder won't take the hint...TAKE YOUR HANDS OFF THIS TEAM. Constrain yourself to just jacking up the parking prices at Fedex but at least let someone who knows football make the major football decisions.

When coaches like Bill Cowher and Mike Holmgren who have built championship teams from the ground up say they don't want to work here because of the freaking front office structure?!?! What does that say...that means they are probably okay with the players for the most part but the ownership is what is putting them off. GDit Snyder, back the hell off...

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^ Well it goes back to will DS see the reason a lot of HC's don't want the job is because of Vinny. Some don't want the head ache called DS. There's no way around us getting rid of DS, he owns the team so no matter what he's here to stay. The Redskins are a money making machine so he's happy pocket wise, but the real issue is will DS see that his "little buddy" is now starting to limit his HC prospects and will he pull the trigger and either move him to another job with no say in player personell or will he fire him in order to have access to other prospects? These are interesting times. If you had a business and the manager was driving away employee's (ie; players and coach's) and customers (ie; fans) then what would you do? If you knew that by letting him go and bringing in someone else more qualified would help your organization and bring you more profit what choice would you make? I think it's funny that between fans, media, and prospect HC's not liking him and not wanting him here, DS keeps him so close to his side.

Me personally, I would move Vinny to a more paper pushing roll maybe have him in charge of contracts or something, maybe the welcome wagon, but If Gruden was on my top list as a HC then Holmgren would be my choice to be GM cause they know each other and have worked together before. Holmgren being the "kinder gentler" type and Gruden being the ball buster HC. Plus it wouldn't be much of a jump other then Gruden learning the play calls over the 2 week break and tweeking the offense a little. Then next yr draft O-lineman in the 1st and 2nd round. LT and RT. Make the rest either back ups or Guards. I would take a bigger Center in a late round unless the kid from Maryland we picked up is decent enough.

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Problem is the fans. If we are truly upset with ownership, why do we keep buying the product? Boycott.

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I'm a big fan of Gruden, he's a great motivator, he loves to run the ball, he's a true student of the game, and he would be a good transition from Zorn to his WC based offense. However, to state the obvious something needs to change upstairs to have any lasting impact from who is coaching the team. Until then, who cares.

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[quote=hooskins;607599]Problem is the fans. If we are truly upset with ownership, why do we keep buying the product? Boycott.[/quote]
I've been in boycott mode for the last 3-4 yrs. I don't have season ticket so thats a no brainer. I want to buy a new hat so bad or a Jersey but I am not until this whole mess is fixed and the Skins are a respectable team again, not a team that people circle on their calender every year cause they count it as a win.

I'm leaning toward picking up a Capitals Jersey. I know they have been having their fair share of problems winning games but you can honestly say they look good for the most part and have gone the "Rebuild" mode already and are on the upswing. Plus 2-3 losses don't matter when you playing 80 something games.

Hopefully the Nats will do something with their 1st round pick.

and hopefully the Wizards will atleast show up in their games this yr with a new HC and Scheme.

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Short answer:

Vinny ain't gonna get fired here.


Until and unless Vinny is convicted of a felony and suspended by the NFL Commish, he and Danny Boy will stay tight.

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Maybe those who have already paid for their season tickets and are not going to sit at home for one game cause they paid for it could find something to do as a small sign of protest. Maybe wear brown paper bags over their heads for a quarter. That may not be feasable but you catch my drift. Take signs that say fire Vinny or something. I have to imagine that the media will pick up on it and show it all over ESPN or the news papers and drive DS crazy.

Maybe purchase "Chucky" dolls and wave them at the next game. ;)

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I'm doing my part. I haven't been to a Redskins....home game in 10 years. What the hell is wrong with the rest of you?

I just heard on ESPN 980 (in DC) that John Gruden appears to be the front runner for the Skins new Head Coach. They are referring to as it is a done deal. That must make JZ feel...GOOD

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;607613]Short answer:

Vinny ain't gonna get fired here.


Until and unless Vinny is convicted of a felony and suspended by the NFL Commish, he and Danny Boy will stay tight.[/quote]

LOL. Then maybe we need the same people who ran the sting against Marion Barry to assist. :)

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[quote=Hog1;607622]I'm doing my part. I haven't been to a Redskins....home game in 10 years. What the hell is wrong with the rest of you?

I just heard on ESPN 980 (in DC) that John Gruden appears to be the front runner for the Skins new Head Coach. They are referring to as it is a done deal. That must make JZ feel...GOOD[/quote]

Sounds good to me....most likely they are reading what the media is saying. but if not then can I ask who the front runner for the GM job is? LOL.

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From what that dc examiner article states about Gruden, it kinda scares me. If he truly wants an owner who'll spend $, then we're right back where we were 10 years ago. Of course the saving grace might be the economy, even the danny has to watch his spending, cap or not.

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[quote=freddyg12;607647]From what that dc examiner article states about Gruden, it kinda scares me. If he truly wants an owner who'll spend $, then we're right back where we were 10 years ago. Of course the saving grace might be the economy, even the danny has to watch his spending, cap or not.[/quote]

The guy couldn't even develop a QB or pick one while in Tampa. He had 5 at one time and rotated them all, cause they sucked. What do you think he'll do here? He's over rated just like Cowher and Shanahan, the only former coach I would consider is Holmgren.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;607648]The guy couldn't even develop a QB or pick one while in Tampa. He had 5 at one time and rotated them all, cause they sucked. What do you think he'll do here? He's over rated just like Cowher and Shanahan, the only former coach I would consider is Holmgren.[/quote]

What he'll do here is get the guy he wants with Snyder's bucks. In Tampa they didn't spend the money he felt they should have in order to win.

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I hope Gruden doesn't come here. He had some terrible offenses at TB that were constantly running dink and dunk crap, couldn't settle on a QB. Plus he got fired for not being able to communicate with the players. Then after he got fired all his dirty laundry came out, the players were just ripping him to pieces. IMO he sounds like an asshole. No thanks. There are plenty of guys out there that would be better than Gruden. But the first thing Snyder needs to do is hire a competent GM and let him make the hire... but that's not going to happen.

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Since Snyderrato isn't going anywhere I am only for the Gruden thing if they blow up the roster, otherwise they are just running in place. It will be a different year with the same sad story.

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[quote=Angry;607661]Since Snyderrato isn't going anywhere I am only for the Gruden thing if they blow up the roster, otherwise they are just running in place. It will be a different year with the same sad story.[/quote]


why would gruden come to skins when we've proven our model to be a recipe for failure? i know it comes down to the money, but really, why would anyone (smart) come here without a change in the management structure?

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;607613]Short answer:

Vinny ain't gonna get fired here.


Until and unless Vinny is convicted of a felony and suspended by the NFL Commish, he and Danny Boy will stay tight.[/quote]

Can we arrange to have compromising photos of Vinny with a sheep sent to the Washington Post?

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Any coaching change that keeps Snyderatto in charge is just more of the same.

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[quote=Lotus;607664]Can we arrange to have compromising photos of Vinny with a sheep sent to the Washington Post?[/quote]

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[quote=celts32;607668]Any coaching change that keeps Snyderatto in charge is just more of the same.[/quote]

That's why I'm considering a switch. Only a glutten for punishment can watch the Skins win badly and barely squeak out a win every once in awhile.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;607247]Sell the team to Limbaugh![/quote]

I'd love the idea. :)

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[quote=SBXVII;607616]Maybe those who have already paid for their season tickets and are not going to sit at home for one game cause they paid for it could find something to do as a small sign of protest. [B]Maybe wear brown paper bags over their heads for a quarter.[/B] [/quote]

A friend of mine told me that Security was confiscating brown paper bags from fans at he stadium entrances before the last home game. Did anyone here see that happening?

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[quote=Buster;607675]I'd love the idea. :)[/quote]

Limbaugh knows football.

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If it's a "done deal" (which I doubt) as 980 is reporting, it's going to be REALLY interesting to listen to Gruden's commentary in two weeks on MNF when Philly takes us behind the woodshed.

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[quote=skinsfan69;607656]I hope Gruden doesn't come here. [B]He had some terrible offenses at TB that were constantly running dink and dunk crap, couldn't settle on a QB.[/B] Plus he got fired for not being able to communicate with the players. Then after he got fired all his dirty laundry came out, the players were just ripping him to pieces. IMO he sounds like an asshole. No thanks. There are plenty of guys out there that would be better than Gruden. But the first thing Snyder needs to do is hire a competent GM and let him make the hire... but that's not going to happen.[/quote]

I see you failed to bring up his tenure in Oakland when he had the leagues' top Offense. Tampa is a defensive team, thats where their efforts went,Gruden never had much on the other side.

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Limbaugh knows football as well as he understands politics. Or basic logic.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;607677]Limbaugh knows football.[/quote]

Definitely moreso than Snyder.

He'd still spend as much as Snyder, but better choices would be made.

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;607687]I see you failed to bring up his tenure in Oakland when he had the leagues' top Offense. Tampa is a defensive team, thats where their efforts went,Gruden never had much on the other side.[/quote]
Plus he did step in and take Oakland to the SB then went to the Bucs and took them immediatly to the SB. So if your an owner and think your almost there and would spend any amount to get what you want then perhaps Gruden is the man to get the best out of what players we have now. but I would rather DS think long term and dump Vinny, bring in a bonafied GM or someone who is good at evaluating talent at GM and bring in a bonafied HC to start all over and run the team like it should be run.

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[quote=hooskins;607689]Limbaugh knows football as well as he understands politics. Or basic logic.[/quote]


Never heard him talk football I can see.


Anyways, back to the topic, I'd take Gruden. Anyone that can win with Al Davis in charge could win under Snyder.