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[quote=Longtimefan;607911]I totally agree. We do have some talented young players, all they need is an opportunity. Watching last night's game seeing so many young players making pays had me asking myself why can't the Redskins do that?

Braylon Edwards has only been with the Jets five days, scored two touchdowns on the kind of plays we should be running to our receivers Mitchell & Kelly. It's difficult for me to understand why our young players do not get more of a chance to show what they can do. We also need for the QB to be unafraid to give his receivers a chance to make a play.[/quote]

JC went deep to Kelly in the Tampa game and Kelly was 1on1. Kelly did not fight for the ball and the Bucs picked it off. In the Panthers game he went deep to DT the boss hit his hands but he could not hold on. DT did lay out but it was a tough catch. Big time players make that catch.

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[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;607949]OMG! That article in your sig describes my feelings in the most exact way possible.

"The only thing [Dan Snyder] can do to help [his] team at this point is to walk in front of an oncoming cement mixer. Way to ruin everything, shithead. DIE." ... and that's about the only way the Skins will get better. The other ways would be to substitute the cement mixer for some other piece of heavy machinery.[/quote]

Wow tell us how you really feel about Dan Synder.:doh:
We may not like the way he runs the Redskins but this may be a little to much from intelligent fans.

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Joe Bugel if your the GURU everyone says you are than we should be okay with moving
Heyer LT, Mike Willaims RT and Rhinehart or Montgomery to RG. We have a week to get them up to speed. We better hope no other Lineman go down or we are up a creek without a boat.

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Has Bugel lost it? Or did the stars just align at the right time for him to look like a Oline Mastermind? I know Bugel is near and dear to us but it seems lately the product he is fielding is lacking and it makes you wonder when other teams can have injuries along their line and rooks/2nd stringers step in to keep it going and we cant.

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[quote=SBXVII;607995]I just have a hard time believing DS is the boy in the plastic bubble. He does not read the papers? He does not listen to the radio? He owns a sports franchise and he doesn't watch ESPN? I would hate to think he has so secluded himself from society that he has no clue that the fans are pissed, that everyone to include fans, media, and any prospect HC's don't like Vinny cause he's an not that great at what he's supposed to be doing. DS has to know by now that in order to get the HC talent he wants Vinny must go and he needs to take a back seat approach. [/quote]

It's not that Snyder has no clue that the fans are pissed and think Vinny is a retard. He's just so incredibly arrogant that he'd believe the entire world was wrong before ever questioning himself. So that's basically it -- hundreds of thousands of people can see the problem, but that doesn't mean squat to Snyder. He's right and everyone else is wrong.

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If we dont draft Oline this next draft ill FKN SCREAM.
Its sad to see a team like Miami who went 1-15 push the jets defense all over the field 2 seasons later. I couldnt believe the physical lineplay they showed in that game vs a good front 7.

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[quote=skins89moss;608123]Wow tell us how you really feel about Dan Synder.:doh:
We may not like the way he runs the Redskins but this may be a little to much from intelligent fans.[/quote]

Of course I don't really wish death upon him. That was pretty much a metaphor for how screwed we are. Our problem is the owner -- who's unwilling to change -- and, since he'll never sell the team, we're f*cked until he dies. Prepare yourself for at least another 30 years of garbage.

My animosity towards Snyder is two-fold:

1.) I know Snyder "bought" the team, but IMO he doesn't "own" it -- he just gets to collect the profits. He has no right to do what he's done, which is destroy OUR team -- one of the oldest franchises in NFL history. I equate it to somebody buying the Statue of Liberty and dismantling it.

2.) Humility is kind of a big deal to me, and Dan Snyder has none. I have no respect for people like him, and very little tolerance. No humble person would ignore the opinions of experts for 10 years unless they thought they knew better. Snyder obviously thinks he knows more than the experts, which is to say that Snyder thinks he knows more about football than everyone. There isn't a SINGLE person in football who understands our situation and would support the decisions Snyder has made. Yet, Snyder hasn't changed his attitude -- he just changed the facade and thinks we're stupid enough to be fooled by it.

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;608126]Has Bugel lost it? Or did the stars just align at the right time for him to look like a Oline Mastermind? I know Bugel is near and dear to us but it seems lately the product he is fielding is lacking and it makes you wonder when other teams can have injuries along their line and rooks/2nd stringers step in to keep it going and we cant.[/quote]

I don't think Boss Hog has lost it. He just doesn't have enough talent to work with.

Compare in your mind the current crop of OL to these guys: Original Hogs Russ Grimm, Joe Jacoby, Mark May, Jeff Bostic, and George Starke (Papa Hog). Add to that Raleigh McKenzie, Mark Schlereth and Jim Lachey, TE's Don Warren and Rick Walker (both original Hogs), and RB John Riggins (Honorary Hog). Well, it just makes you long for the good old days when we had Bobby Beathard as our GM, doesn't it?

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yep ,you are right,better off losing at this point to get a better draft pick

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[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;608132]1.) I know Snyder "bought" the team, but IMO he doesn't "own" it -- he just gets to collect the profits. He has no right to do what he's done, which is destroy OUR team -- one of the oldest franchises in NFL history. I equate it to somebody buying the Statue of Liberty and dismantling it.

2.) Humility is kind of a big deal to me, and Dan Snyder has none. I have no respect for people like him, and very little tolerance. No humble person would ignore the opinions of experts for 10 years unless they thought they knew better. Snyder obviously thinks he knows more than the experts, which is to say that Snyder thinks he knows more about football than everyone. There isn't a SINGLE person in football who understands our situation and would support the decisions Snyder has made. Yet, Snyder hasn't changed his attitude -- he just changed the facade and thinks we're stupid enough to be fooled by it.[/quote]

This post is spot on. Snyder is the current steward of the franchise and as such, can reap the profits, but he doesn't truly OWN the team. The team belongs to the tens of thousands of Redskins fans out there. Past, present, and future.

We can only hope that something happens, on the field or in his life, that finally opens his eyes to reality.

[I][COLOR=red]Wisdom is in the presence of the one who has understanding, But the eyes of a fool are on the ends of the earth.[/COLOR][/I]

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[quote=The Mayor;608160]This post is spot on. Snyder is the current steward of the franchise and as such, can reap the profits, but he doesn't truly OWN the team. The team belongs to the tens of thousands of Redskins fans out there. Past, present, and future.

We can only hope that something happens, on the field [B]or in his life,[/B] that finally opens his eyes to reality.

[I][COLOR=red]Wisdom is in the presence of the one who has understanding, But the eyes of a fool are on the ends of the earth.[/COLOR][/I][/quote]

What do you mean "or in his life"?

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I understand ALL the frustration this season has brought, as I feel it to. The Dan has taken a beating in the media like never before as the tyrannical, meddling, egomaniac who has single handedly dismantled my beloved Redskins.
THAT may be true..............but it may not. Anybody here know him personally? He would deserve the same thing anybody else would want. To be accused and convicted of his NFL crimes on fact rather than speculation, and hearsay. I'm not saying he is not guilty, but things are frequently not what they seem?

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[quote=Mattyk72;607609]I just feel with our current OL situation, we're going to be so overmatched it's going to be a joke.[/quote]

Why the F are we not looking at Levi Jones?! I don't care what his background was, he was at least competent for the Bengals and could give us SOME hope for the season. As things stand, unless Samuels comes back, we're absolutely done.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;608173]Why the F are we not looking at Levi Jones?! I don't care what his background was, he was at least competent for the Bengals and could give us SOME hope for the season. As things stand, unless Samuels comes back, we're absolutely done.[/quote]

I think he's damaged goods, bad knees if I recall correctly.

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well as the season continues and the redskins continue to handout winless teams their first victory. It doesnt look good for the moral of the team. Me personnally, I dont put no blame on the Snyder, he has done everything possible to bring talent and turn this organization into a top contender. We as fans have gotten used to the way he constantly made changes, that we now expect him to be his old quick trigger self. He is finally giving an opportunity to a 1st time coach, following the guidelines that Joe Gibbs said this team needs longevity. And we are ready to jump ship. Call me crazy, but I am impressed by the way Snyder has taken this whole situation.

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[quote=SmootSmack;608162]What do you mean "or in his life"?[/quote]

Nothing bad, if that's what your implying, but some sort of epiphany that lifts him out of the mire so he can see the truth. I think that can only come from people inside his trusted circle; family, clergy, hero [Gibbs]. Whatever.

Another poster posed the question, maybe Dan isn't as bad as he seems? Maybe he's just misunderstood?

Possibly. If that's the case, he needs to state his position publicly. He refuses to do so, claiming that no matter what he says, he's misunderstood and pilloried in the media. Well, maybe he should prepare for such an annoucement before spreading the word. Being secretive only exacerbates the problem.

Here's my position. Somebody has to be held accountable. It happens for us regular schlubs all the time. Why should the Redskins be any different. I suspect, like many, that it isn't just one thing [QB, coach, etc.], but a multitude of things. More reason for the owner to explain how things got the way they are and a general plan of how to rebuild this team.

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[quote=Hog1;608166]I understand ALL the frustration this season has brought, as I feel it to. The Dan has taken a beating in the media like never before as the tyrannical, meddling, egomaniac who has single handedly dismantled my beloved Redskins.
THAT may be true..............but it may not. Anybody here know him personally? He would deserve the same thing anybody else would want. To be accused and convicted of his NFL crimes on fact rather than speculation, and hearsay. I'm not saying he is not guilty, but things are frequently not what they seem?[/quote]

It's called accountability. You are right, we don't know Snyder personally. All we can judge him by is what he's done. AKA They will know you through your work. His stink = he stinks.

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[quote=REDSKINS1980;608220]well as the season continues and the redskins continue to handout winless teams their first victory. It doesnt look good for the moral of the team. Me personnally, I dont put no blame on the Snyder, he has done everything possible to bring talent and turn this organization into a top contender. We as fans have gotten used to the way he constantly made changes, that we now expect him to be his old quick trigger self. He is finally giving an opportunity to a 1st time coach, following the guidelines that Joe Gibbs said this team needs longevity. And we are ready to jump ship. Call me crazy, but I am impressed by the way Snyder has taken this whole situation.[/quote]

I couldn't disagree with you more about Dan Snyder. He is at the root of all of the Redskins' problems. His insistence on being involved in personnel matters through a puppet GM and his hiring of a man who is not qualified to be an NFL Head Coach to lead the team are the primary reasons we are in this mess.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;608235]I couldn't disagree with you more about Dan Snyder. He is at the root of all of the Redskins' problems. His insistence on being involved in personnel matters through a puppet GM and his hiring of a man who is not qualified to be an NFL Head Coach to lead the team are the primary reasons we are in this mess.[/quote]

Well it must the the "Jerry Jones Complex". Win today, not tomorrow.

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[quote=REDSKINS1980;608220]well as the season continues and the redskins continue to handout winless teams their first victory. It doesnt look good for the moral of the team. Me personnally, I dont put no blame on the Snyder, he has done everything possible to bring talent and turn this organization into a top contender. We as fans have gotten used to the way he constantly made changes, that we now expect him to be his old quick trigger self.[B] He is finally giving an opportunity to a 1st time coach,[/B] following the guidelines that Joe Gibbs said this team needs longevity. And we are ready to jump ship. Call me crazy, but I am impressed by the way Snyder has taken this whole situation.[/quote]You do remember that he really only hired Zorn to be his offensive coordinator, right?
There are other problems with this post, but I'm really to busy to be wasting time here.

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[quote=REDSKINS1980;608220]well as the season continues and the redskins continue to handout winless teams their first victory. It doesnt look good for the moral of the team. Me personnally, [B]I dont put no blame on the Snyder[/B], he has done everything possible to bring talent and turn this organization into a top contender. We as fans have gotten used to the way he constantly made changes, that we now expect him to be his old quick trigger self. He is finally giving an opportunity to a 1st time coach, following the guidelines that Joe Gibbs said this team needs longevity. And we are ready to jump ship. Call me crazy, but I am impressed by the way Snyder has taken this whole situation.[/quote]

I don't put no blame on the Snyder either...I put all the blame on the Snyder!

Seriously though, Snyder, in my opinion, is not all at fault. But, while it's very commendable that he'll do anything possible it takes more than that. He's a good owner in that sense that he almost never says no to what he and his coaches want...he'd be great if he sometimes did

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[quote=SmootSmack;608273]I don't put no blame on the Snyder either...I put all the blame on the Snyder!

Seriously though, Snyder, in my opinion, is not all at fault. But, while it's very commendable that he'll do anything possible it takes more than that. He's a good owner in that sense that he almost never says no to what he and his coaches want...he'd be great if he sometimes did[/quote]

We all know Snyder won't do "everything possible." The one thing he won't do is give anyone complete authority, and that is what this team needs.

The truth is, Snyder wants to be GM more than he wants to be the owner. They're two distinct roles, and Snyder can't fulfill either one adequately. I think Snyder cares a lot about the success of this team, but he cares more about himself. He'd rather be the GM of a worthless team, than be the financier of a champion.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;608231]It's called accountability. You are right, we don't know Snyder personally. All we can judge him by is what he's done. AKA They will know you through your work. His stink = he stinks.[/quote]
I will have to agree, when we look at the product he is putting on the field.....it ain't good. Exactly how it got in that shape may be another matter as it happens behind the scenes

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If Zorn loses to KC he is gone after the game IMO, but Snyder could keep Zorn until years end use him as the reason we had a losing season. I registered over at ES and i couldn't take the lack of common sense, how people think we are a one player away from a championship trust me they will believe him too.

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[quote=Paintrain;608176]I think he's damaged goods, bad knees if I recall correctly.[/quote]

Maybe so, but no possible way it's worse than we have now.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;608314]Maybe so, but no possible way it's worse than we have now.[/quote]

If that's the case bring back Kendall.

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[quote=SmootSmack;608273]I don't put no blame on the Snyder either...I put all the blame on the Snyder!

Seriously though, Snyder, in my opinion, is not all at fault. But, while it's very commendable that he'll do anything possible it takes more than that. He's a good owner in that sense that he almost never says no to what he and his coaches want...he'd be great if he sometimes did[/quote]

I know this is the wrong forum for this but if SOMEHOW it was a Gruden/Allen pairing with Dan stroking the checks like he is now, that could be very promising. They were consistently competitive with a team that was often $10-$20 million under the cap.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;608321]If that's the case bring back Kendall.[/quote]

I'm with you on that too. I don't care, bad knees or not, I just want to watch some competitive games this season.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;608235]I couldn't disagree with you more about Dan Snyder. He is at the root of all of the Redskins' problems. His insistence on being involved in personnel matters through a puppet GM and his hiring of a man who is not qualified to be an NFL Head Coach to lead the team are the primary reasons we are in this mess.[/quote]

I am sure I am all alone at this point, and I don't really mean to be rude, but it seems like all DCPSR brings to this forum is anti-snyder crud. Certainly it is easy enough to bash this team in its current state, and you guys make good use of this forum to excel at that. But can you back up any of your statements. Cerrato as much as people hate him, served his dues and deserved a shot as much as any other possible GM, the fact that he has messed up on the Oline shows it wasn't a great hire, but saying he is DS' puppet is just fueling stupid speculation. And I know alot of fans who now are done with Zorn, including myself, supported the outside of the box hire, and hoped it would be the start of a new tradition. Again, it wasn't it failed, and I imagine after a two year trial, both Cerrato and Zorn will be let go.

I am not defending where we are, but just riding the crest of frustration to endlessly attack the owner seems petty.

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I just hate the fact that we don't seem to have a chance this year when we play the Cowboys, the Iggles, and the one game remaining with the Giants. I hate those teams and thought we would be dominating them by now. Dream on!

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Just flipped to Rome is Burning and Tom Friend is laying into Dan Snyder. He says it's as bad as it's ever been for fans. He also said if you switched the Giants O line with the Redskins O-line, the Skins would be 5-0. I'll buy that.

Man, they are all ripping Snyder. They're saying Gruden may take the job because he already worked for Al Davis.

They're saying the Skins will never work with Snyder as the owner. Tom Friend recommended hiring Bruce Allen.

Interesting...

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;608378]I am sure I am all alone at this point, and I don't really mean to be rude, but it seems like all DCPSR brings to this forum is anti-snyder crud. Certainly it is easy enough to bash this team in its current state, and you guys make good use of this forum to excel at that. But can you back up any of your statements. Cerrato as much as people hate him, served his dues and deserved a shot as much as any other possible GM, the fact that he has messed up on the Oline shows it wasn't a great hire, but saying he is DS' puppet is just fueling stupid speculation. And I know alot of fans who now are done with Zorn, including myself, supported the outside of the box hire, and hoped it would be the start of a new tradition. Again, it wasn't it failed, and I imagine after a two year trial, both Cerrato and Zorn will be let go.

I am not defending where we are, but just riding the crest of frustration to endlessly attack the owner seems petty.[/quote]

I know what you mean, because I have been bashing Snyder and Cerrato a lot lately. It's getting old even for me, a contributor to said bashing.

Although it is a tired argument, it is the absolute truth in my mind. The evidence for that being, Cerrato was hired in 1999 when Snyder purchased the team, and has been here ever since, except for a short period when Schottenhiemer fired him. The very next season, Marty was fired and Cerrato re-hired. During his time here, Cerrato has only served to weaken this team, yet he continues to keep his job -- in fact getting a promotion in 2002. Our personnel is a mess and so is our cap -- all attributable to Vinny. He's been here 10 years -- certainly long enough to get things in order, or for Snyder to realize he ain't cuttin' it. How Vinny keeps his job is either a great mystery of the universe, or he's Snyder's butt-buddy.

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[quote=44Deezel;608444]Just flipped to Rome is Burning and Tom Friend is laying into Dan Snyder. He says it's as bad as it's ever been for fans. He also said if you switched the Giants O line with the Redskins O-line, the Skins would be 5-0. I'll buy that.

Man, they are all ripping Snyder. They're saying Gruden may take the job because he already worked for Al Davis.

They're saying the Skins will never work with Snyder as the owner. Tom Friend recommended hiring Bruce Allen.

Interesting...[/quote]

Bruce Allen is really growing on me. My top notch personal Gruden source says he'd like to see if Dallas becomes an option. I think a lot of potential coaches are hoping to get the Skins and Cowboys engaged in a bidding war in the off-season for their services.

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Bring in Allen as GM and Gruden as coach.

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Done!!!!!!!!!!

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[quote=Redskin Warrior;608309]If Zorn loses to KC he is gone after the game IMO, but Snyder could keep Zorn until years end use him as the reason we had a losing season. I registered over at ES and i couldn't take the lack of common sense, how people think we are a one player away from a championship trust me they will believe him too.[/quote]
Try not to get banned for disagreeing with a mod, creating a new thread, or quoting a picture (this one will get you a permanent ban)

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[quote=tryfuhl;608476]Try not to get banned for disagreeing with a mod, creating a new thread, or quoting a picture (this one will get you a permanent ban)[/quote]

... at ES

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[quote=tryfuhl;608476]Try not to get banned for disagreeing with a mod, creating a new thread, [B]or quoting a picture (this one will get you a permanent ban)[/B][/quote]

I love that, seriously who thinks up garbage like that?

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[quote=Mattyk72;608480]I love that, seriously who thinks up garbage like that?[/quote]
It's one thing for some rogue fan board to come up with such stuff.. but the OFFICIAL board of the Redskins, the one that the team site links to? Then saying you can't sign up with a regular e-mail address, etc? Completely alienating the greater audience. Matty you would've literally been banned because of this thread, I'm so glad that I started coming here.

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[quote=tryfuhl;608507]It's one thing for some rogue fan board to come up with such stuff.. but the OFFICIAL board of the Redskins, the one that the team site links to? Then saying you can't sign up with a regular e-mail address, etc? Completely alienating the greater audience. Matty you would've literally been banned because of this thread, I'm so glad that I started coming here.[/quote]

Gotta wonder if Danny is one of the mods there

:laughing2