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[quote=BrennanBeliever;608264]Its disheartening to see the true Redskins fans on this site being eclipsed by this bandwagoning, ambiguous group of posers.

The person in this thread is looking for a galvanizing solution, and all I'm hearing are a bunch of gutless, spineless suburbanite naysayers. Where is your resolve and why express an opinion if your solution is to do nothing?

"What good is a cynic with no better plan"

-Ben Harper[/quote]

Someone needs a hobby

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[quote=SmootSmack;608275]Someone needs a hobby[/quote]

I was going to say someone needs a drink, but in my case, they're one in the same....

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*edit* pointless, never mind.

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[quote=BrennanBeliever;608264]Its disheartening to see the true Redskins fans on this site being eclipsed by this bandwagoning, ambiguous group of posers.

The person in this thread is looking for a galvanizing solution, and all I'm hearing are a bunch of gutless, spineless suburbanite naysayers. Where is your resolve and why express an opinion if your solution is to do nothing?

"What good is a cynic with no better plan"

-Ben Harper[/quote]

So what's [I]your[/I] plan?

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I am with you guys that have stopped watching. I have been going over to a friend's house every Sunday for 5 years here in KY to watch the Skins because he has NFL Sunday ticket. I feel bad for him, because he has spent all this money to watch the Skins every week and they are so bad. I'm not going over this week. The Giants/Saints game is the local broadcast here and that will be a much better game to watch IMO. I love the Skins, but I also love the NFL and after watching the Colts/Titans game Sunday night, I just got depressed at how good the Colts are and how bad the Skins are. Once the Skins get past this game, its going to get really ugly against the better teams coming up on their schedule and I am tired of being frustrated and angry every Sunday. There are more positive things to do with my time on Sunday afternoons. Until we see a change in GM, we are going to forever be a bottom tier team like the Raiders. Where is Jack Kent Cooke when we need him?

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I'm an advocate of "Mutiny at FedEx Field" but I cannot actively participate because I don't live in the DC area. I'm originally from DC and have been a Redskin fan since the 60's. I moved to St. Louis after I graduated from college and have been to every Redskin game in St Louis since. So, how can I show my frustration with the franchise?
1. Do not go to any Redskin games until they change their philosophy.
2. Do not purchase any officially licensed Redskin gear.
3. Stop watching the games live on satellite DirecTV. (This will be the biggest sacrifice. I have the NFL Package. I will switch to watching the Red Zone channel and watch how football should be played on Sundays. Cannot switch to another team, just not in my DNA.)

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#45 go back and read.

Smootsmack I'm not the one with 25,000 plus posts on a web site dedicated to a team I don't even watch.

I'd say you need a time machine.

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;607985]don't buy tickets or any other licensed product. Nothing.[/quote]

im not one to boycot the skins or not go to games if the price is right but i was dead set on getting my girl a jersey this year . . . . so far im just not interrested.

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[quote=SmootSmack;608238]Honestly though, even if they were 5-0 right now I'm not sure my approach would be much different. I have things to do with my life. I've been through the whole dedicate your entire weekend to the Redskins (more than many here), but like I said I've got things to do, places to be, people to see.[/quote]
Why do you have to dedicate an entire weekend to the Skins to watch a 3 hour football game? That leaves you 45 hours of your weekend for anything else you may want to do. I personally decided last weekend after the game if the weather is right I would go fishing over watching the game but other then that I have 3 hours to watch. This weekend the forcast is for 20mph winds so fishing is out so I'll watch the game. I have a TV in my garage which I'm trying to finally finish so while the game is on I'll trim out the windows and the lay the base board. That way I have not waisted my time but still get to see the game.

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[quote=scowan;608282][B]Once the Skins get past this game, its going to get really ugly against the better teams coming up on their schedule [/B]and I am tired of being frustrated and angry every Sunday. There are more positive things to do with my time on Sunday afternoons. Until we see a change in GM, we are going to forever be a bottom tier team like the Raiders. Where is Jack Kent Cooke when we need him?[/quote]

Not to be argumenative, and I may be reading more into your choice of words than you had intended, but given KC's performance last weekend, do you see the 'Skins winning this Sunday? I know I sure don't.

Frankly, I think 2-14 (Yes, I know Oakland beckons but hey, EVERY OTHER bottom feeder in the NFL is transformed into Superbowl contenders on gameday with the 'Skins) is much more than just a distinct possibility....

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[quote=hail_2_da_skins;608288]I'm an advocate of "Mutiny at FedEx Field" but I cannot actively participate because I don't live in the DC area. I'm originally from DC and have been a Redskin fan since the 60's. I moved to St. Louis after I graduated from college and have been to every Redskin game in St Louis since. So, how can I show my frustration with the franchise?
1. Do not go to any Redskin games until they change their philosophy.
2. Do not purchase any officially licensed Redskin gear.
3. Stop watching the games live on satellite DirecTV. (This will be the biggest sacrifice. I have the NFL Package. I will switch to watching the Red Zone channel and watch how football should be played on Sundays. Cannot switch to another team, just not in my DNA.)[/quote]

So if your watching the Red Zone and you see the skins are kicking butt your not going to switch over to the game?

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[quote=BrennanBeliever;608289]#45 go back and read.

Smootsmack I'm not the one with 25,000 plus posts on a web site dedicated to a team I don't even watch.

I'd say you need a time machine.[/quote]

I was on Game Day Threads HGH from 2004-2006 so really there should be an asterisk next to 21,879 of my posts :)

Seriously though, what's with all the bandwagoning, ambiguous group of posers and spineless suburbanite naysayers?

Look, if you want to go March on FedEx then more power to you. Yeah I post a lot here because I enjoy discussing the Redskins, the NFL, and other subjects with most people here. But, it's just not my thing to make any frustration I have about the success of a team that truthfully at the end of the day has no bearing on my life a personal cause of mine. And I don't think any less of others who feel the same.

Last Sunday, the Redskins won. Monday morning I got up, kissed my wife good-by, walked out the door went to work, talked Redskins with friends and family...This Sunday, the Redskins lost. Monday morning I got up, kissed my wife good-by, walked out the door, went to work, talked Redskins with friends and family. Only difference was this week it's not as fun to talk about them (not that it was almost that much last week either)

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[quote=firstdown;608294]Why do you have to dedicate an entire weekend to the Skins to watch a 3 hour football game? That leaves you 45 hours of your weekend for anything else you may want to do. I personally decided last weekend after the game if the weather is right I would go fishing over watching the game but other then that I have 3 hours to watch. This weekend the forcast is for 20mph winds so fishing is out so I'll watch the game. I have a TV in my garage which I'm trying to finally finish so while the game is on I'll trim out the windows and the lay the base board. That way I have not waisted my time but still get to see the game.[/quote]

Well I was referring more so to when I was covering the Redskins back in the late 90s, early 00s and was prepping for our coverage on Saturday and then all the pre game, in game, and post game stuff on Sunday. Then the Monday morning recap.

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[quote=SmootSmack;608299]Well I was referring more so to when I was covering the Redskins back in the late 90s, early 00s and was prepping for our coverage on Saturday and then all the pre game, in game, and post game stuff on Sunday. Then the Monday morning recap.[/quote]
Ok that makes sense.

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[quote=SmootSmack;608298]I was on Game Day Threads HGH from 2004-2006 so really there should be an asterisk next to 21,879 of my posts :)

Seriously though, what's with all the bandwagoning, ambiguous group of posers and spineless suburbanite naysayers?

Look, if you want to go March on FedEx then more power to you. Yeah I post a lot here because I enjoy discussing the Redskins, the NFL, and other subjects with most people here. But, it's just not my thing to make any frustration I have about the success of a team that truthfully at the end of the day has no bearing on my life a personal cause of mine. And I don't think any less of others who feel the same.

Last Sunday, the Redskins won. Monday morning I got up, kissed my wife good-by, walked out the door went to work, talked Redskins with friends and family...This Sunday, the Redskins lost. Monday morning I got up, kissed my wife good-by, walked out the door, went to work, talked Redskins with friends and family. Only difference was this week it's not as fun to talk about them (not that it was almost that much last week either)[/quote]

Great post. I love the Redskins A LOT, and some of my best memories as a child were at games at RFK. But at the end of the day, if they stink or succeed, it's not going to have much of an affect on my life. I get emotional in the heat of the moment during the games, but I'm sure as hell not gonna waste any other energy or time sweating their shortcomings (aside from posting here that is).

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[quote=SmootSmack;608298]I was on Game Day Threads HGH from 2004-2006 so really there should be an asterisk next to 21,879 of my posts :)

Seriously though, what's with all the bandwagoning, ambiguous group of posers and spineless suburbanite naysayers?

Look, if you want to go March on FedEx then more power to you. Yeah I post a lot here because I enjoy discussing the Redskins, the NFL, and other subjects with most people here. But, it's just not my thing to make any frustration I have about the success of a team that truthfully at the end of the day has no bearing on my life a personal cause of mine. And I don't think any less of others who feel the same.

Last Sunday, the Redskins won. Monday morning I got up, kissed my wife good-by, walked out the door went to work, talked Redskins with friends and family...This Sunday, the Redskins lost. Monday morning I got up, kissed my wife good-by, walked out the door, went to work, talked Redskins with friends and family. Only difference was this week it's not as fun to talk about them (not that it was almost that much last week either)[/quote]I can see the pursuit of having someone like you understand the phiosophical congruity between life and sport is a lost cause. I hope that you recognize that your indifference toward this team is only a reflection of the way the team responds to its fans.

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Allow me to offer another way for fans to demonstrate their displeasure with the ownership and direction of the Redskins.


Let me acknowledge that the calls for fans to stop buying licensed Redskins gear/"stuff" (that includes Redskins lunchboxes for your kids/grandkids) will get some attention. If sales go down, someone will notice; that is a certainty. The same goes if the Skins find themselves unable to sell out the stadium through season ticket sales. That would be a wake-up call too.


HOW-EVAH, the chances that the financial damage that fans might inflict on Danny Boy would be so great that he would choose to sell the team are minimal at best. Consider that he is - more than most folks - driven by ego.


His ego is fed by the very fact that he is one of a very few folks who owns an NFL team. One of the few "clubs" that is more exclusive than "NFL Owner" would be "Supreme Court Justice". He is one of an elite few... Since other sports owners have also invested in/bought up English soccer teams, Danny Boy is activily shopping to join that elite club too. [Two sources say he will close a deal within the next 12 months.] He is an exec producer in the credits on the latest Tom Cruise flick. All of those things make him "special" and that is what interests him most - - maybe even more than adding to his substantial net worth.


Now, fans can inflict ego bruises a lot more reliably than they can inflict financial bruises. A local radio station wants fans to show up at games with bags on their heads. The problem with that is that it has already been done AND that Danny Boy can always convince himself that the fans are angry at the coach or the quarterback but not angry at him. [If he wavers and starts to think the fans dislike him, he has plenty of butt-boys/yes-men around him to pat him on the head and tell him that it's someone else's fault.]


Now, if that same radio station would spring for the cost of putting the name Danny Boy Snyder on the bags along with a big red circle and a slash through it, that would get a lot of attention on the telecast and on Sports Center and on YouTube. Now you would begin to get Danny Boy's attention because you would have lots and lots of fans aiming their displeasure unambiguously at him.


In Baltimore, Orioles' fans staged a walkout in the middle of a game. A local radio station organized it and it got loads of media attention when it happened. Imagine if only 10,000 fans marched out of a game at FedEx at some pre-announced time during a national telecast (MNF against the Eagles anyone?). If it was widely known in advance that this protest was going to happen and that Danny Boy Snyder was the object of the protest and it actually came off, that would get Danny Boy's attention.


Imagine for a moment that the crowd is assembling at Fed Ex waiting for the game to begin and Danny Boy ushers his guests into his owner's suite to preside over the game. And at that point a large fraction of the audience points directly to the owner's suite and starts to chant "You suck!" If that goes on for 2 minutes, someone will have it on YouTube in less than an hour...


Will any of that get him to change his ways? Not likely. Danny Boy is in his mid-40s and people of that age do not change easily without lots of therapy and lots of commitment on their part to make a change. I see no commitment on his part to change so put that in the "not gonna happen" category.


But if fans are sufficiently frustrated to want to get his attention for any reason, think about hitting him in the ego in addition to hitting him in the wallet. It's easier - - and it might be more fun.

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[quote=BrennanBeliever;608310]I can see the pursuit of having someone like you understand the phiosophical congruity between life and sport is a lost cause. I hope that you recognize that your indifference toward this team is only a reflection of the way the team responds to its fans.[/quote]
Sorry dude but there are alot like SS that have a ton of post here and love the skins that feel the same way. At one time a loss would bring me down for a day or two but at some point in life I decided that it was not worth it. Last Sunday after we lost I sat there for a few minutes ticked then got up and moved on with life.

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Just don't go to the games. For the season ticket holders, walk out before halftime, stage a protest outside the stadium to draw the medias attention.
The main thing to do to get Snyder's attention is to stop being his personal ATM machine. With the TV cameras showing an empty stadium and no money coming in, the little jerk will get the message and be forced to make constructive changes.

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[quote=firstdown;608297]So if your watching the Red Zone and you see the skins are kicking butt your not going to switch over to the game?[/quote]

If that were to happen, the most logically thing to follow would be the phone would ring, and you would wake up from your dream.

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[quote=Longtimefan;608252]Herein lies the greatest, and one of the largest conglomerates of same-sayers found anywhere discussing the state of the Redskins organization. It behooves me how the "little man" can be sitting somewhere idly by, absorbing every word we print and continuing to stand by his conviction "If it ain't broke don't fix it" attitude.

It behooves me how for the better part of a decade he can watch his team become an exercise in futility, and not heed the advice from so many wisdom dwellers far superior in the knowledge of kingdom building. However, something tells me that despite his stubborness and seemingly unwillingness to adjust, there's no way he won't eventually adhere to the logic of his detractors and change his evil ways.[/quote]

I'm not trying to be an ass, but you're totally misusing the word 'behoove' in this post. Also, someone quoted it to say, "nice post" and, while your point comes across, if you knew the meaning of the word 'behoove' it would make no sense whatsoever.

Main Entry: be·hoove
Pronunciation: \bi-ˈhüv, bē-\
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): be·hooved; be·hoov·ing
Etymology: Middle English behoven, from Old English behōfian, from behōf
Date: before 12th century

transitive verb : to be necessary, proper, or advantageous for
<it behooves us to go>

intransitive verb : to be necessary, fit, or proper

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[URL="http://dcprosportsreport.com/2009/10/boycott-the-redskins.html"][B]http://dcprosportsreport.com/2009/10/boycott-the-redskins.html[/B][/URL]

[quote]A "[U][URL="http://boycottredskins.com/"]boycott the Redskins[/URL][/U]" website has even appeared [ironically featuring ads for Redskins tickets at the top of the page]. Reading websites that cover the Redskins and listening to local sports talk radio, it's clear an increasing number of fans have correctly concluded that firing [B]Jim Zorn[/B] or signing another high-priced veteran isn't going to make a difference. As I've written repeatedly: Coaches and players come and go, Dan Snyder and mediocrity stick around. [/quote]

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[quote=BrennanBeliever;608310]I can see the pursuit of having someone like you understand the [B]phiosophical congruity between life and sport [/B]is a lost cause. I hope that you recognize that your indifference toward this team is only a reflection of the way the team responds to its fans.[/quote]:cool-smil it's puff, puff, pass. Not puff, puff, puff, puff.

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[quote=Longtimefan;608222]Watching games on TV (espically Fox) is not the greatest experience in the world anymore. They went fishing for much of the first half of Sunday's game.[/quote]

Hey watch what you say that is my cousin Thom Brennaman announcing the game last week.

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[quote=firstdown;608297]So if your watching the Red Zone and you see the skins are kicking butt your not going to switch over to the game?[/quote]
You have a good point, that would be tempting. I'm kinda superstitious, so I would not switch to the game because it would jinx them and cause them to start losing.

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Sorry if this has been posted before.

[url=http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=84223282062]boycott Dan Snyder | Facebook[/url]

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[quote=beemnsevenspop;608296]Not to be argumenative, and I may be reading more into your choice of words than you had intended, but given KC's performance last weekend, do you see the 'Skins winning this Sunday? I know I sure don't.

Frankly, I think 2-14 (Yes, I know Oakland beckons but hey, EVERY OTHER bottom feeder in the NFL is transformed into Superbowl contenders on gameday with the 'Skins) is much more than just a distinct possibility....[/quote]

I was just saying this is one of the last winable games before a streach of "no chance" games.

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Boycott Redskin games. 4-12, another loosing season.

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I quit listening to ESPN 980, a Dan Snyder station. Now it's strictly 106.7 for me, with better reception anyway.

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So JLee9718 have you finally gotten that unfiltered analysis that you cannot get from 980 ? Pretty much sounds like everything that you can get from 980 doesn't it ? No one shoes any type of favortism to Danny, not "his" station or the other one.

You guys boycott all that you want, just make sure that you let him know that he was right about Campbell while you're kicking him in the nuts.

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[quote=Mattyk72;608207]Here is my own personal boycott:

The Skins are no longer must see TV for me on Sundays. Last weekend the wife and I took a road trip to go visit friends and see their kid play Pee Wee football. They won 27-6 so at least I saw some winning football. It was the first Redskins game I've missed in years and honestly I really didn't care.[/quote]
I'm still watching every game, but online.. no more money wasted at the bar. Hell last week I even stopped buying beer for the game.

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[quote=SmootSmack;608238]Honestly though, even if they were 5-0 right now I'm not sure my approach would be much different. I have things to do with my life. I've been through the whole dedicate your entire weekend to the Redskins (more than many here), but like I said I've got things to do, places to be, people to see.[/quote]
I definitely do not share in that approach haha

Maybe if life was more exciting up here, but as soon as I got home I'd be looking to see if the game was on the torrents yet.

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[quote=SmootSmack;608299]Well I was referring more so to when I was covering the Redskins back in the late 90s, early 00s and was prepping for our coverage on Saturday and then all the pre game, in game, and post game stuff on Sunday. Then the Monday morning recap.[/quote]
And getting paid to do so right? So things have changed with that either way.

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Anyone else want to join in the SmootSmack, Firstdown, Slingin Sammy seniority circle jerk. These katz stroke eachothers pride so infaticly that you would think at some point they would explode with a stroke of brilliance. But alas the productive wheels of innovation cease to churn. Much like the front office personel and coaches they so openly and clamourously criticize.

If there were an option for insurrection on you site tenured fairweather susie's I'd be the first in line to drop the guitine.

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[quote=BrennanBeliever;608485]Anyone else want to join in the SmootSmack, Firstdown, Slingin Sammy seniority circle jerk. These katz stroke eachothers pride so infaticly that you would think at some point they would explode with a stroke of brilliance. But alas the productive wheels of innovation cease to churn. Much like the front office personel and coaches they so openly and clamourously criticize.

If there were an option for insurrection on you site tenured fairweather susie's I'd be the first in line to drop the guitine.[/quote]

So what your saying is we have a life other then the skins and you have nothing.

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Insight obviously isn't one of their strong suits either.

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[quote=BrennanBeliever;608493]Insight obviously isn't one of their strong suits either.[/quote]
look I can follow what you're saying to an extent, but you're going about it the wrong way

my suggestions:

1) don't take people from a fan board to heart, owners, staff, etc or what

2) put down the thesaurus, you are no shakespeare, though you've got the soliloquy thing working for you at this point

3) look at your username and wonder if you're really a good judge of what the team should be doing

4) regroup, maybe take the night off, and join us tomorrow

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I say no more Game Day Threads until we've won two games in a row. No need to have these 80 page threads. We can just discuss the game after the fact

I'm only half kidding, people can of course continue to have the game day threads

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[quote=firstdown;608486]So what your saying is we have a life other then the skins and you have nothing.[/quote]What'd I miss? :lol:

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[quote=SmootSmack;608603]I say no more Game Day Threads until we've won two games in a row. No need to have these 80 page threads. We can just discuss the game after the fact

I'm only half kidding, people can of course continue to have the game day threads[/quote]
I think it is a...wonderful idea! However, I am not completely sure Dan will notice the lack of a game day thread? BUT, don't get me wrong.....wonderful initiative...