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[quote=SouperMeister;611252]Cameron and Saunders are from the Coryell, Gibbs, Zampese, Turner, Martz tree of offensive philosophy. I was on record saying that throwing JC into a WCO was a mistake, akin to shoving a square peg in a round hole. So now you want the FO to go back to the Coryell philosophy? What about continuity? Even if Campbell isn't here, weren't Kelly, Davis, and Thomas drafted with the WCO in mind?[/quote]

What i hate is the fact that we are killing precious time and development from our younger players. Next year most likely we will have to learn a new system again we already messed JC's head up. I believe numerous of our players would have been a lot better elsewhere

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What production are you refering too?

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[quote=warriorzpath;611306]And whether or not, he got lucky- Collins got points from this offense. And there's another negative trait, Campbell's not lucky. I don't know if you can attribute that to him or not.[/quote]Seems cut and dry to me.

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This sums the hole offense up. This thing is waaaaayyy beyond the QB.

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the best thing for both the skins and for campbell is to go their separate ways.

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My God what points are you refering too, we have'nt scored anything above 30 in 16 games. In all my years of being a skins fan and watching pro ball I have never seen anything like this train wreck.

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Can we kill our depression til next week....I mean and leave it with it is Possible keyword possible for us to beat Philly next week

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[quote=wolfeskins;611315]the best thing for both the skins and for campbell is to go their separate ways.[/quote]

I'm sure after being benched, Campbell is just as over the Skins franchise as they are with him.

Look for major trades and FA signing's this off-season. They'll end up having to blow up this team cause I doubt anyone wants to stay on this sinking ship.

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The Skins should bench all qb's and just put ARE in the Wildcat every play. Put Haynesworth in the backfield with ARE. Then do the old-fashioned 3 yards and a cloud of dust thing. We couldn't score any less.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;611321]I'm sure after being benched, Campbell is just as over the Skins franchise as they are with him.

Look for major trades and FA signing's this off-season. They'll end up having to blow up this team cause I doubt anyone wants to stay on this sinking ship.[/quote]


i completely agree.

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Lotus that's the best idea yet.

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Zorn said Campbell was "a little late in hitting some things" and "inaccurate." Zorn did not make clear who his QB will be moving forward.

So we have to wait and see. Not that it matters,IMO neither will be here next yr. This was JC's chance to prove DS wrong, not entirely his fault but id say he didnt make a strong case for himself.

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It doesn't matter who is the QB, until Dan "Sucker" realizes that an O-line is important you could put Brady back there and it still won't get any better. I mean if 5 o-linemen can't block a 3 man rush then your o-line sucks. You can't waste a draft pick on any QB trash out there. You need that for the next coach. Maybe sign Gracia, he knows the west coast, oh wait a minute we don't really run the west coast. The west coast scores points.
Just gut the team. Trade Portis for something next year and C. Rogers b/c if he's smart he won't resign with the skins. and any one else you can get some draft picks for. Fire Vinny hire a GM, maybe Casserly or Polian's kid from Indy. Then hire a coach, Grimm or someone from the Belichik tree. This is the worst it has been since the Skins lost 79-0 in the NFL championship to the Bears. Do you think Jack Kent Cooke left a curse when he died?

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[quote=warriorzpath;611285]Just face it, Campbell is done. Even with Collins not having a clue, he outplayed Campbell. The proof is right there. 6 points to Campbell's 0 points. I really don't care about sample size. This season's offensive failures so far is enough of a sample to me.[/quote]

You're going on SIX points? The field goals came from [B]one[/B] long pass to Moss and one [B]hand off [/B]to Portis. My mom could've done that. And like Campbell, he choked in the red zone.

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[quote=SkinDogg;611418]You're going on SIX points? The field goals came from [B]one[/B] long pass to Moss and one [B]hand off [/B]to Portis. [B]My mom could've done that. [/B]And like Campbell, he choked in the red zone.[/quote]

So your mom is as good as TC and better than JC also? jk.
It is what it is,JC was benched for reasons that Zorn later said and TC came in with little time with the starters and moved the ball. Yeah in the RZ they stalled but look at the plays they did, no wr's were getting any separation.

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And maybe just maybe the long pass made the defense back off and actually play the pass allowing CP to break the big run.... just an idea.

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its about freakin time

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I think if Todd Collins is the starter, then Dan Snyder should wear a polo, get on the sidelines, and call plays.

Why go halfway to inept hilarity, and call it quits?

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[quote=The Goat;611076]This line would make Drew Brees look awful.

...a touch of irony in this game w/ Collins getting the call. Like I said recently [B]:Flush:[/B]I def believe Saunders would have started his best student, Collins, for the start of '08. Now w/ the offense in complete collapse Collins gets the call in the retarded offense Snyder/Vinny decided to install because they didn't have the patience to let Saunders take complete control w/ Gibbs out of the picture.[/quote]

IF= If IF was a 5th we all would be drunk

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[quote=47FAN;611155]whats the chances of greg williams coming back here? what is his contract status in NO?[/quote]

Why in the F**k would Greg Williams come back to organization that kicked him to the curb?

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[quote=YellowBirdy;611112]I think it’s clear to everyone that the main problem on the field (excluding Zorn and DS) is the O Line but to say that TC didn’t do any better than JC is I think missing the point. He did as well as JC after more than a year of being the second string with little chance of practice with the starting offense. Let’s get real hear TC must benefit from a weeks practice with the starters and JC has had his chance. I doubt either will start next season but we can’t keep going on with JC, we seem to be getting worse, not better and we have to change something.[/quote]
This is true; new system for Collins after being on the bench for so many years in a single system. At least you KNEW Collins was a backup.

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[quote=SouperMeister;611252]Cameron and Saunders are from the Coryell, Gibbs, Zampese, Turner, Martz tree of offensive philosophy. I was on record saying that throwing JC into a WCO was a mistake, akin to shoving a square peg in a round hole. So now you want the FO to go back to the Coryell philosophy? What about continuity? Even if Campbell isn't here, weren't Kelly, Davis, and Thomas drafted with the WCO in mind?[/quote]
Do you really believe that we only took Kelly, Davis, and Thomas because we thought that they'd be good in the WCO, or that it was even a significant thought in that draft process?

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;611338]Zorn said Campbell was "a little late in hitting some things" and "inaccurate." Zorn did not make clear who his QB will be moving forward.

So we have to wait and see. Not that it matters,IMO neither will be here next yr. This was JC's chance to prove DS wrong, not entirely his fault but id say he didnt make a strong case for himself.[/quote]
on the 980 postgame show (they interview him before presser, the presser I haven't watched yet) he said that he'd likely start JC next week, but there are things to look at/decide, but likely JC

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[quote=DynamiteRave;611321]I'm sure after being benched, Campbell is just as over the Skins franchise as they are with him.

Look for major trades and FA signing's this off-season. They'll end up having to blow up this team cause I doubt anyone wants to stay on this sinking ship.[/quote]

Please no not the FA signings again. Dont we see that doesn't build a championship team. We need to build through the draft. Oh I guess than you need scouts that can evaluate talent. So lets just go out and over pay for some other teams FA that wants a big payday.

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Why does everyone want Williams back? the defense is not the problem.

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[quote=cdskins26;610970]trades possible? im thinking vince young, byron leftwich, jeff garcia something like that[/quote]

Leftwich: Please no

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You know.. during the game I was thankful for Collins coming in, to see what would happen. Maybe it's hindsight, but that was JC's game to turn back around. I know that you don't pack it in in Week 6, but it's definitely not like we were looking at a title run and we know that. Unless Campbell gets hurt he should stay in.

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Its sucks to see the the defense play their butts off and the offense doesn't do squat. Zorn needed to try something different and he went with putting Collins in the game. Well the results still sorry ass offense just had a few more passes down the field. Collins is a statue so if pressure comes and no WR are open he gets sacked. JC can escape the pressure but he is playing like a coward behind his dirty ass O-Line. Both QB's are terrible behind this line and this BS offense scheme.

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Ok so now the Collins supporters got their wish to see Collins in the game. To be fair he has not played in nearly 2 seasons so maybe if he gets more practice with the 1st team it could help him. But why use TC now when Zorn will be fired and JC won't be resigned unless its a 1 or 2 year deal. JC looks like a coward and doesnt want to stand tall in the pocket with his happy ass feet. Who could blame him with this dirty ass O-Line in front of him. I got a idea why not give the offense the week off because they can't do any worse than what we have seen thus far. They practice all week and they score 6 points what a joke.

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neither. wish we would have kept daniels to see what he could have done.

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pulling JC was a crude attempt by Zorn to save his own hide. Now that we know he is not calling the plays, JC ought to get a chance to play real ball.

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I voted for Campbell for silly football related reasons, but after driving into work and hearing dozens of people on the radio talk about how Campbell sucks and Collins is the savior, I actually hope they plant that 38 year old statue behind that horrendous offensive line, against Phillies pass rush next week...

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[quote=GTripp0012;611544]I think if Todd Collins is the starter, then Dan Snyder should wear a polo, get on the sidelines, and call plays.

Why go halfway to inept hilarity, and call it quits?[/quote]

Let's be fair. He hasn't played in two years and doesn't get work w/ the first team o. He played well ( 2 years ago) when he got his chance, even though no one thought he would play well. JC is just not getting it done. I almost wish they didn't IR Brennan. Now would be the perfect time to see what the kid could do.

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[quote=warriorzpath;611298]The comparison is ridiculous because [B]Campbell should be much farther along then he is now.[/B] The comparison shouldn't be this close right now.[/quote]

I was thinking the same thing watching Flacco and Ryan. Both those guys are so much farther along in their 2nd years then JC is in his 5th.

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[quote=skinsfan69;611708]Let's be fair. He hasn't played in two years and doesn't get work w/ the first team o. He played well ( 2 years ago) when he got his chance, even though no one thought he would play well. JC is just not getting it done.[B] I almost wish they didn't IR Brennan. Now would be the perfect time to see what the kid could do[/B].[/quote]

I agree. Why not? As of right now I would start JC next week. I would like to see what he does after being benched and having someone else call the plays.

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JC is the best chance to win right now. JC is a playaction QB. I dont know if I have seen a single rollout playaction play all season.

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[quote=skinsfan69;611080]Collins looked rusty out there but with a full week of practice he should be better next week if he starts. JC was simply terrible today....if I see hime step up in the pocket and not re set his feet one more time I'm going to puke. He's developed some really bad habits and Zorn must be ready to pull his hair out.[/quote]
You are on drugs. They both stink and they will continue to stink until they have an offensive line that can provide protection. NO quarterback can perform with this horrible offensive line. Campbell or Collins is like comparing a young scrub versus an old scrub. A scrub is still a scrub.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;611651]pulling JC was a crude attempt by Zorn to save his own hide. Now that we know he is not calling the plays, JC ought to get a chance to play real ball.[/quote]

Agreed completely. Also, as soon as I heard (thankfully could not watch the game here in PA) that Campbell was benched for Collins...I knew that was Zorn's last nail in the coffin. Stupid move, which was proven. Collins can't even avoid a safety on our last chance to come back. Campbell has not played badly with what he's been given in terms of protection and playcalls.

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Lets start Antwaan Randle El at quarterback and run the wildcat offense. At least is would be different and entertaining. Not the same old three yards and a cloud of dust we have been watching.

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[quote=hail_2_da_skins;611755]Lets start Antwaan Randle El at quarterback and run the wildcat offense. At least is would be different and entertaining. Not the same old three yards and a cloud of dust we have been watching.[/quote]

I wouldn't mind seeing that as a part of the offense this year...not full-time, but it would be entertaining.