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[quote=CRedskinsRule;611652]I hope this isn't the case. I believe that a creative playcaller (not with gadgets, but one who calls the game and not his playsheet) can make a huge turnaround in this offense. The only problem of course is we wasted our soft schedule to prove that Zorn can't do it.[/quote]

The headline needs to read: Cerrato discharged from his duties, Snyder agrees to hire a real GM. GM hires new coach, Snyder agrees to relenquish control to the football gods.

It's useless to continue putting band-aids on cancer. Until the people responsible for the state of this team are supplanted, we'll continue trying to find ways to remain optomistic, and openly embrace futility.

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we're the laughing stock of the NFL. a guy who was calling bingo and has been out of the NFL since 04 comes in at mid season and starts calling plays.

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[quote=skinsfan69;611697]we're the laughing stock of the NFL. a guy who was calling bingo and has been out of the NFL since 04 comes in at mid season and starts calling plays.[/quote]

And our RT has'nt played football for 3 or 4 years. Our HC only has experience as a QB coach and his OC only has experience as a RB coach. Our owner makes personell decisions. Our best DE plays LB. Our receivers coach has developed NO ONE. We are the mighty Redskins! :woot:

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[quote=skinsfan69;611697]we're the laughing stock of the NFL.[B] a guy who was calling bingo[/B] and has been out of the NFL since 04 comes in at mid season and starts calling plays.[/quote]

Actually our play calling may improve if the process were:

"It's 3rd and 7, let's pick a ball out of a hat...let's run B-29!"

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[quote=skinsfan69;611697]we're the laughing stock of the NFL. a guy who was calling bingo and has been out of the NFL since 04 comes in at mid season and starts calling plays.[/quote]

But, he has to be an improvement over Zorn.

At least the Philly D won't be ready for every predictable playcall from Zorn.

Any opposing coach - "3rd down and 8 on the 12 yard line? Zorn's calling the stretch to the left, be ready!"


Really, it can't be worse. We may have a chance to win next week. :D

If the Raiders can beat Philly, so can we.

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Wasn't this probably the idea when Vinny brought Lewis in to begin with? He's had what..1-2 weeks to get caught up with what's going on here? Maybe it will help.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;611393]That's great!! So now our Offense will handled by a guy that has been out of the league for 5 years and should be retired playing bingo. We get more dysfunctional on a weekly basis. [B]Fire Vinny and sell the team[/B]!![/quote]

Ditto

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So let's get this straight, bringing in Lewis, now making him the play-caller, this is all on Vinny... right?

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This smells of a bad "B" movie, THE REPLACEMENTS.

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[quote=Mattyk72;611830]So let's get this straight, bringing in Lewis, now making him the play-caller, this is all on Vinny... right?[/quote]

Hope so.

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[quote=DAVID;611644]I TOLD YOU FOLKS SKINS WERE GOING TO LOOSE TO CHIEFS. Hopefully you folks woke up including Matty7!

Redskin reform:

* Terminate QB & RB.
* Terminate Coach & staff.
* Terminate GM & front office idiots.
* No more paying 1 billion dollar for a player.

PS- Also terminate that bingo guy.[/quote]
Well shit, let's hire DAVID!

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[quote=SmootSmack;611654]What has Sherman Smith done to be the playcaller?

But it seems as though it will be Lewis anyway, no surprise. I'm curious as to what Zorn will do now. They want him to be more of a "head coach" and work with the QB they say. But at this point, what work is there to do with the QB? I mean you just benched him, although he should start next week, and you've been working with him for well over a year now. Often, it seems, at the expense of other areas of the team. Unless working with the QB means Colt Brennan/Andre Woodson? As for being more of a "head coach" I suspect that means making key decisions such as "punt or go for it on 4th down", but do we trust Zorn to make those decisions? I don't know

I of course want us to win next week, but it's probably just time to put Zorn out of his complete misery.[/quote]

I don't know.. like I started the other thread about a week and a half or so ago, it's hard to see what his role even is other than helping come up with the gameplan. I was looking more for insight, I didn't really follow his previous work so I didn't know if there were flaws in it or what, I don't think he even called the plays in Tenn did he?

As far as the work with the QBs, if it was about Colt or Woodson I'd think that almost implies he'll be here a bit longer than expected, but I guess those guys have to develop whether Zorn is here next year or not. Imagine if they interviewed guys, nobody wanted it, and they tried to stick with Zorn?

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[quote=skinsfan69;611697]we're the laughing stock of the NFL. a guy who was calling bingo and has been out of the NFL since 04 comes in at mid season and starts calling plays.[/quote]
What do you want an old guy to do? Go wrestle alligators, build an NFL Mt. Rushmore, or what?

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number 1 story on front page of nfl.com

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[quote=Mattyk72;611830]So let's get this straight, bringing in Lewis, now making him the play-caller, this is all on Vinny... right?[/quote]

Let's hope that Snyder sees it that way. I certainly do.

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Kind of surprising but JZ appears to still have the locker room as I have seen numerous players step up for him lately.....Good to see

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[quote=Hog1;612284]Kind of surprising but JZ appears to still have the locker room as I have seen numerous players step up for him lately.....Good to see[/quote]
Maybe they're so apathetic that they just prefer to have an easier going coach, who knows.

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sometimes it seems that we're late getting calls in, this adds an extra step into it, with the relay

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[quote=Mattyk72;611830]So let's get this straight, bringing in Lewis, now making him the play-caller, this is all on Vinny... right?[/quote]

According to Mort on Twitter: mortreport But Sherm Lewis was a long-time NFL asst. [B]Steve Mariucci recommended him to Redskins as a "consultant"[/B] they worked together in Detroit.

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[quote=SmootSmack;611654]What has Sherman Smith done to be the playcaller?

But it seems as though it will be Lewis anyway, no surprise. I'm curious as to what Zorn will do now. They want him to be more of a "head coach" and work with the QB they say. But at this point, what work is there to do with the QB? I mean you just benched him, although he should start next week, and you've been working with him for well over a year now. Often, it seems, at the expense of other areas of the team. Unless working with the QB means Colt Brennan/Andre Woodson? As for being more of a "head coach" I suspect that means making key decisions such as "punt or go for it on 4th down", but do we trust Zorn to make those decisions? I don't know
[B]
I of course want us to win next week, but it's probably just time to put Zorn out of his complete misery.[/B][/quote]

Seriously. Not like Vinny/Danny care about professionalism, but this is a joke. They systematically "hired" Zorn (from OC to HC after a few days), and now they're systematically firing him. It's so shitty. Everyone, I mean EVERYONE, including Zorn, knows damn well he's gone. Why keep him around? It it a charade involving money and contract buyouts? Just get him outta there. What a shit show.

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[quote=tryfuhl;612358]sometimes it seems that we're late getting calls in, this adds an extra step into it, with the relay[/quote]

I would ask if the late calls were because Zorn was thinking up the best play for the exact situation, ie the timeout when he was waiting for the ball to spotted. If that is the case, perhaps a person with a little more anticipation could make a huge difference, even with the relay through Zorn. I think other teams do it this way, but I am really not sure.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;612571]I would ask if the late calls were because Zorn was thinking up the best play for the exact situation, ie the timeout when he was waiting for the ball to spotted. If that is the case, perhaps a person with a little more anticipation could make a huge difference, even with the relay through Zorn. I think other teams do it this way, but I am really not sure.[/quote]
Yeah there are other teams.. and that's a good point, somebody may have a quicker read (heh) on what to do than Zorn

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I like the idea but not the way its being handled.
Once again the Redskins execution is lacking.

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[quote=tryfuhl;612591]Yeah there are other teams.. and that's a good point, somebody may have a quicker read (heh) on what to do than Zorn[/quote]

I wonder if there is any way to mike in the broadcasters. Maybe Gruden could call our plays this week!!! (i bet they still get it in faster than Zorn)

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[quote=53fan;611705]and our rt has'nt played football for 3 or 4 years. Our hc only has experience as a qb coach and his oc only has experience as a rb coach. Our owner makes personell decisions. Our best de plays lb. Our receivers coach has developed no one. We are the mighty redskins! :woot:[/quote]

lol!

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[quote=Paintrain;612379]According to Mort on Twitter: mortreport But Sherm Lewis was a long-time NFL asst. [B]Steve Mariucci recommended him to Redskins as a "consultant"[/B] they worked together in Detroit.[/quote]

Whoa whoa whoa...Mooch the backup plan if Shanny says no again?

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Hall has free advice for Zorn.... hmmm maybe Hall should coach us and call the plays... :smashfrea
[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/10/20/deangelo-hall-gives-free-advice-to-jim-zorn/]DeAngelo Hall gives free advice to Jim Zorn | ProFootballTalk.com[/url]

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I for one am growing tired of the weekly commentary of Deangelo "I play two hand touch" Hall.

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[quote=Lotus;612870]I for one am growing tired of the weekly commentary of Deangelo "I play two hand touch" Hall.[/quote]

Yeah it'd be nice if he worked on his tackling instead of wasting his time talking shit...

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So we can say it but for a guy who lives football eveyday it's taboo? What a bunch of hypocrites. Preach on brotha Hall!

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[quote=Angry;612883]So we can say it but for a guy who lives football eveyday it's taboo? What a bunch of hypocrites. Preach on brotha Hall![/quote]

If Hall wants to say it in his private life, as I do, I'm all for it. But Hall broadcasts his views to the media in a way which might have a negative effect on the team. My comments do not affect the team at all. So there's a difference.

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You are saying it on a public message board, maybe not as far reaching as ESPN, but public none the less. Fans have been booing out loud in the stadiums. I would argue that it does affect the team to some extent. You think that since he is a player he should keep his mouth shut. I think that s a player he has even more of a right to vent. The team is already screwed I doubt that Hall's comments are going to make thing worse than they already are.

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[quote=Angry;612929]You are saying it on a public message board, maybe not as far reaching as ESPN, but public none the less. Fans have been booing out loud in the stadiums. I would argue that it does affect the team to some extent. You think that since he is a player he should keep his mouth shut. I think that s a player he has even more of a right to vent. The team is already screwed [B]I doubt that Hall's comments are going to make thing worse than they already are.[/B][/quote]

That may be true. But his comments certainly are not going to make things any better, which Deanglelo does not seem to realize.

Sometimes it is best to just say nothing. Hall has shown us on a weekly basis that he does not understand this.

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Hall is actually pretty classy from what I can see. He's not really torching anyone. All of these guys are sucking it up for the most part, except that prima donna CP. Maybe I get that impression because D.Hall speaks English and not jive?

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;613019]Hall is actually pretty classy from what I can see. He's not really torching anyone. All of these guys are sucking it up for the most part, except that prima donna CP. Maybe I get that impression because D.Hall speaks English and not jive?[/quote]

The funny thing about this is that if it weren't for Hall, CP would still not have a TD this season.

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Well, the last time Hall played on a team that didn't suck, he was pretty well behaved.

Although perhaps that was because he was a rookie.

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[quote=GTripp0012;613033]Well, the last time Hall played on a team that didn't suck, he was pretty well behaved.

Although perhaps that was because he was a rookie.[/quote]

Hall seems well behaved here, and I don't even mind the things he says assuming he plays like a veteran. But unfortunately this is a guy who takes plays off and/or plays to not get hurt in certain situations. He's getting attention for his piss-poor plays rather than locker room antics...the locker room stuff gets old real fast when Monday night football is running highlights of you giving up on plays.

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[quote=Angry;612929]You are saying it on a public message board, maybe not as far reaching as ESPN, but public none the less. Fans have been booing out loud in the stadiums. I would argue that it does affect the team to some extent. You think that since he is a player he should keep his mouth shut. I think that s a player he has even more of a right to vent. The team is already screwed I doubt that Hall's comments are going to make thing worse than they already are.[/quote]
Yeah I understand that, the players have a right to an opinion and somewhat of a reason to air it out.. but their comments DO hit media.. and if the media and the fans are affecting the team, this can be more of that

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How about Sonny Jurgensen calling the plays?

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I don't think Zorn is a wus because I can see him going toe to toe with me in a dark alley. I don't think he deserves to be humiliated like this. He should man up though. We'll see what happens Monday Night.