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[quote=The Goat;613042]Look it doesn't seem as though Lewis was a great offensive mind as a playcaller, which I'm convinced is Zorn's biggest issue after being a terrible motivator/leader. But here's the positiive things that could happen:

1) Zorn should be able to spend more time w/ the QBs and that's obviously his proven strength.

2) Lewis could "surprise" the defenses he faces w/ his play-calling, something Zorn has failed to do past week 8 of last season.

3) If Lewis has a stronger sense of the offens's strengths and weakness, from his birdseye view, he may be able to adjust the gameplan effectively. I don't believe Zorn has been able to even begin adjusting accordingly. It always seemed like Zorn drew up a gameplan, which may have been perfect if everything goes according to plan, but as things got off track there wasn't effective adjustments made. Result: predictability, lots of grinding plays that play right into the defensive strengths.

I almost want to feel hopeful the offense will rebound a little w/ this change...guess we'll all find out together :)[/quote]

I love the skins....I really do, I will be rooting for them as hard as usual this Monday night but having a guy who hasn't been in the league for 5 years and has only been with the team for 2 weeks call the plays (and I am assuming gameplan for the Eagles) in game 7 against a division rival is amature at best, completely clueless at worst.

I can't even put into words how ridiculous this situation is. I thought the KC loss was rock bottom but I am prepared for a completely new level of humiliation this Monday.

PS.... at least 5 delay of game penalties and/or wasted TOs because of the "new guy" calling plays.

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At least they don't have tape of Lewis with the skins.. next 8 games? 6-2!!! whoohooo

I mean, uhhh, HAIL SKINS!

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[quote=maroonandblack30;613049]I love the skins....I really do, I will be rooting for them as hard as usual this Monday night but having a guy who hasn't been in the league for 5 years and has only been with the team for 2 weeks call the plays (and I am assuming gameplan for the Eagles) in game 7 against a division rival is amature at best, completely clueless at worst.

I can't even put into words how ridiculous this situation is. I thought the KC loss was rock bottom but I am prepared for a completely new level of humiliation this Monday.

PS.... at least 5 delay of game penalties and/or wasted TOs because of the "new guy" calling plays.[/quote]

I agree about the 2 weeks with the team part. But this guy's life was football. We've seen many versions of a retired football guy come back and be able to handle it. 5 years is not that long, if you were doing something you loved and had done all your life.

I think D's will be surprised by our quicker offense, and not the 5 delay of game penalties/wasted TO's. In fact I would guarantee we won't see a TO because we are waiting on the spot of the ball.

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[quote=SBXVII;612774]I think this is part of the problem. I do think many coach's have a gentlemans agreement about not talking to an owner about a job that is already taken. Even if the HC of the team is doing poorly.

Now, rumor has it Gruden has spoken to someone off record and not associated with the Skins about how he might like the job with the Skins.

If I was DS I would fire VC or completely remove him from having anything to do with the Skins as of today. Do a search of available candidates and candidates who are currently with other teams if available. Like Poilin or whoever. If I had to wait till seasons end to conduct certain interviews then so be it and bring in the best I could and pay him well. Give the GM some ideas as to who you might like as HC but make sure everyone and all candidates know I am backing the F-off. Allowing the GM to run the team.

With that said it might, might open up a few doors into coach's that have been hesitant to come to Washington.

Hopefully after Mon. night, which I can't wait for, VC and Zorn get canned and DS can start talking to viable candidates. but I wouldn't bring them in till seasons end. My feeling is you bring them in now and people/fans get a misconception and expect the team to start winning. If they don't I could see fans wishing DS to fire the new HC. I'd name an interim HC and keep conducting interviews until seasons end with my new GM.[/quote]

The Redskins may want the big name coaches but remember they have to abide by the NFL Rooney Rule which they have to interview a minorty coaching canadiate. I think Greg Blache or Jerry Gray take over as interim coach.

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The more I think about this the more I just have to laugh to keep from crying.

Lewis has been with the team for all of 2 weeks. There's no possible way he knows our personnel inside and out, knows this offense inside and out, and is going to be any sort of an improvement over Zorn as a play caller. We might as well put a monkey up the booth and let him throw darts at the playbook. In addition, Lewis was never known as a great play caller to begin with from his prior experiences. We're in trouble folks. Big trouble.

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[quote=Mattyk72;613234]The more I think about this the more I just have to laugh to keep from crying.

Lewis has been with the team for all of 2 weeks. There's no possible way he knows our personnel inside and out, knows this offense inside and out, and is going to be any sort of an improvement over Zorn as a play caller. [I][B] We might as well put a monkey up the booth and let him throw darts at the playbook. [/B][/I] In addition, Lewis was never known as a great play caller to begin with from his prior experiences. We're in trouble folks. Big trouble.[/quote]

So true, but part of me thinks that it's going to be OK because if ANYTHING it'll be unpredictable. :)

I WOULD LOVE to see the Skins beat the Eagles and then the media is like, "Wow the Eagles lost to the team that lost to the Lions."

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PUNT on second down?

You goddamn right.

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In order to succeed long-term, the Redskins don't need a new play caller -- they need a good owner.

Danny must go!

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Let's hear what some of his former players have to say

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[quote=Mattyk72;613234]The more I think about this the more I just have to laugh to keep from crying.

Lewis has been with the team for all of 2 weeks. There's no possible way he knows our personnel inside and out, knows this offense inside and out, and is going to be any sort of an improvement over Zorn as a play caller. We might as well put a monkey up the booth and let him throw darts at the playbook. In addition, Lewis was never known as a great play caller to begin with from his prior experiences. We're in trouble folks. Big trouble.[/quote]

At least a dart-throwing monkey would come up with a better variety of plays than Zorn's love for stretch-left on every crucial down.

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I think that is a puff piece. We would be kidding ourselves to buy into it and actually believe that this guy is going to turn things around. I'm sorry, but I am not exactly going to be optimistic until I see something to be optimistic about. Words and puff pieces aren't going to do it for me any more.

Deep down inside I want this to be the fix, but I am not going to get my hopes up...again.

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[quote=Mattyk72;613234]The more I think about this the more I just have to laugh to keep from crying.

Lewis has been with the team for all of 2 weeks. There's no possible way he knows our personnel inside and out, knows this offense inside and out, and is going to be any sort of an improvement over Zorn as a play caller. We might as well put a monkey up the booth and let him throw darts at the playbook. In addition, Lewis was never known as a great play caller to begin with from his prior experiences.[B] We're in trouble folks. Big trouble.[/B][/quote]

No quesiton about it. The fact that Snyderatto made this move is further evidence of their ignorance and denial.

Right now my long-term fandom is trumping my short-term fandom. With this season already lost (I don't care that there are 10 games left, we're done), I pretty much hope we fall completely on our face is downright ugly fashion. It hurts me to say such a thing. I think it's going to take the kind epic fail that we're in store for to open Danny's eyes. I hope it's already happening. I don't see how we can't possibly have sweeping organizational changes if we end up something like 3-13 or 4-12 (then again, with that little jerk running the teams, nothing surprises me anymore).

We're already a punch line, and this year, it's only going to get worse.

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I think it's unfortunate it's come to this for Lewis. One of the most respected assistant coaches of the 1990s and now he's simply being dismissed as a bingo caller. He, in my opinion, gave too much to both college and pro football to get that treatment. I hope he proves a lot of people wrong this Monday.

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[quote=SmootSmack;613375]I think it's unfortunate it's come to this for Lewis. One of the most respected assistant coaches of the 1990s and now he's simply being dismissed as a bingo caller. He, in my opinion, gave too much to both college and pro football to get that treatment. I hope he proves a lot of people wrong this Monday.[/quote]

I agree he was very well respected in his day, but frankly I just don't understand why he came on board. He's pushing 70 and has been out of football for what, 4 or 5 years now? After coaching for so long I can't imagine he's hurting for money, and we're a total mess of an organization. Just seems really strange to me.

Also let's not forget, despite a shining resume as a non-playcalling assistant, his record when actually dialing up the plays is paltry at best.

Another head-scratcher by our front office.

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Doc Walker said he spoke to Snyder this morning for a little while. The usual stuff, very disappointed for the fans, knows it's on him ultimately. But the really interesting part was he basically said Snyder was asking Doc about Lewis, seems this really was all Cerrato and Snyder didn't have anything to do with it.

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[quote=SmootSmack;613505]Doc Walker said he spoke to Snyder this morning for a little while. The usual stuff, very disappointed for the fans, knows it's on him ultimately. But the really interesting part was he basically said Snyder was asking Doc about Lewis, seems this really was all Cerrato and Snyder didn't have anything to do with it.[/quote]

Good. Vinny's final nail.

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[quote=GMScud;613386]I agree he was very well respected in his day, but frankly I just don't understand why he came on board. He's pushing 70 and has been out of football for what, 4 or 5 years now? After coaching for so long I can't imagine he's hurting for money, and we're a total mess of an organization. Just seems really strange to me.

Also let's not forget, despite a shining resume as a non-playcalling assistant, his record when actually dialing up the plays is paltry at best.

Another head-scratcher by our front office.[/quote]

So, YOUR calling Bingo, and the GM to the Skins gives you a shout. Yo' Sherm.....what up? You wanna' come by Redskin Park and we'll set you up to for some Quality Control, and maybe......you call the Eagle game on Monday night. What say?
YOU say no?

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[quote=GMScud;613386]I agree he was very well respected in his day, but frankly [B]I just don't understand why he came on board[/B]. He's pushing 70 and has been out of football for what, 4 or 5 years now? After coaching for so long I can't imagine he's hurting for money, and we're a total mess of an organization. Just seems really strange to me.

Also let's not forget, despite a shining resume as a non-playcalling assistant, his record when actually dialing up the plays is paltry at best.

Another head-scratcher by our front office.[/quote]

Calling bingo doesn't pay as much as Dan Snyder does to call plays. He may not be hurting for the money, but I'm sure that he won't mind taking it. Besides, the older you get the more you want to prove that you still got it.

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I think DS cleans house after the season.. but ill give the guy a chance and see how it goes. we couldnt score vs one of the worst defense in the league so i guess he couldnt do any worse.

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[quote=GMScud;613386]I agree he was very well respected in his day, but frankly I just don't understand why he came on board. He's pushing 70 and has been out of football for what, 4 or 5 years now? After coaching for so long I can't imagine he's hurting for money, and we're a total mess of an organization. Just seems really strange to me.

Also let's not forget, despite a shining resume as a non-playcalling assistant, his record when actually dialing up the plays is paltry at best.

Another head-scratcher by our front office.[/quote]

Granted, this is likely to be a disaster but you must recall we all went into last season with all our eggs in the basket of a man who had never called pays of any type on any level. He went 6-2 and everyone was singing his praises, then the bottom fell out. I certainly don't look for Sherm Lewis to be our savior by any stretch of the imagination, but he has been there, done that, and that's more than we can say for the man currently running the show.

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[quote=Buster;613514]Good. Vinny's final nail.[/quote]

amen to that. Another interesting thing I just read - Its been tweeted (how is that even a word in our vocabulary?) that Sherm Lewis will call plays directly into Campbells headset. So, basically, Zorn has been removed entirely from the equation.

Now, i know on the majority of NFL teams, the offensive coordinator (or someone other than the head coach), calls the plays. (I think only about 8-10 head coachs call plays, according to some pre-game graphic I saw this past weekend). Does anyone know how these teams (especially the successful ones) handle the transmission of the playcall to the QB? Obviously, if the play goes through the HC, it delays the play getting to the QB. On the flip side, i imagine most HC's dont want to be bystanders.

One positive of having someone up in the booth call plays is that they have a better view of the field and a better perspective on what opposing defense are doing. Thats not to say I like someone from the outside being brought in like this, but I think the concept is a sound one.

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A couple of comments after practice that are rather telling.

Zorn-“I need to have composure,” Zorn said. “I need to understand what the reality of the situation is, and I think our players expect me to rise up. We expect them to play under adverse conditions. We expect them to risk it all. … [B][I]I’m conscious of what’s going on. I’m not naive about what’s going on, and yet I have to just hold back on any feelings and make the decisions.”[/I][/B] That says to me that he knows he's on the way out but is going to ride it out the best he can. Class act, even if he's not a very good coach.

Jason Campbell-"There'll probably be a couple of plays I have in my head," the Washington Redskins quarterback said, "just in case if some reason it doesn't get in on time." Monday's game is going to be a must see for many reasons.

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I could honestly see myself shutting this one off by halftime and playing Madden the rest of the night. It's going to be downright embarrassing.

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[quote=Mattyk72;613631]I could honestly see myself shutting this one off by halftime and playing Madden the rest of the night. It's going to be downright embarrassing.[/quote]
I watched the whole stompdown by the Pats a couple of years ago and I'll be here for the entire game this week too.

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According to the powers that be, what they have been witnessing for the last fourteen games has been downright disgusting. Monday night will begin a new chapter, and usher in new ways to be even more incompetent.

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[quote=tryfuhl;613659]I watched the whole stompdown by the Pats a couple of years ago and I'll be here for the entire game this week too.[/quote]

Oh that game was almost unbearable. Definitely the worst performance under Gibbs II.

...I don't think Monday night will play out that way. While I don't expect a win I think phat Al calling the team out last Sunday will light a fire under some guys. I think if Jones is healthy our line instantly gets better. It will be a hard fought loss I reckon...and I basically expect it to be the last of the season for us (not losses lol but hard fought games...i think the team spiral's after this game).

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[quote=Longtimefan;613676]According to the powers that be, what they have been witnessing for the last fourteen games has been downright disgusting. Monday night will begin a new chapter, and [B]usher in new ways to be even more incompetent.[/B][/quote]

We're all about innovation.

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;613522]I think DS cleans house after the season.. but ill give the guy a chance and see how it goes. we couldnt score vs one of the worst defense in the league so i guess he couldnt do any worse.[/quote]

From the looks of how the Zorn situation is being handled Snyder apparently hasn't learned his lesson. Undermining Zorn in this cruel & unusual fashion seems to be business tactics that Snyder has used in the past. That doesn't bode well for how much Snyder has 'learned' from all losing and fan fallout.


Do you think it's possible that Snyder announces a GM at the end of the season that no one has heard of and is essentially a Vinny Cerrato duplicate?...Right now that wouldn't surprise me.

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[quote=Lotus;613683]We're all about innovation.[/quote]

Innovation!

That's the best reason I could think of to bring in Sherm Lewis. Innovation, I like that.

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November 16, #1 Texas went to 9-0-0, with a 17-0 home win over Texas Christian. #2 Navy won 38-25 at Duke and #3 Mississippi shutout Tennessee, 20-0, at a game in Memphis. #4 Michigan State was trailing Notre Dame 7-6 at home in the fourth quarter, but [B][SIZE="5"]Sherm Lewis[/SIZE][/B] ran 85 yards from scrimmage to win the game, 12-7. Both of the Spartan's 2 point attempts failed.[25] #5 Oklahoma won at Missouri 13-3, but dropped out of the poll and were replaced by Pittsburgh (which had trounced Army, 28-0) at the fifth spot. Texas, Navy, Ole Miss and Michigan State stayed at the top four spots.

From Wikipedia

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[quote=Mattyk72;613631]I could honestly see myself shutting this one off by halftime and playing Madden the rest of the night. It's going to be downright embarrassing.[/quote]

I predict a win...and if we don't win I will not post on this site between Nov. 6 and Nov. 13. Calling it right now!

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[quote=SmootSmack;613791]I predict a win...and if we don't win I will not post on this site between Nov. 6 and Nov. 13. Calling it right now![/quote]

see ya Nov. 14th!

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[quote=SmootSmack;613791]I predict a win...and if we don't win I will not post on this site between Nov. 6 and Nov. 13. Calling it right now![/quote]

Enjoy your vacation. I hope it's a warm weather location but I'm curious where you're going that doesn't have internet service.

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[quote=SmootSmack;613791]I predict a win...and if we don't win I will not post on this site between Nov. 6 and Nov. 13. Calling it right now![/quote]

Yes!...I love wagers like this.

A lot of people on this site will 'believe' so many things but will not stand by it.

Putting it on the line to show people you're serious. Well done Smoot, I commend you...I don't agree with the outcome but I still commend you.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;613852]Yes!...I love wagers like this.

A lot of people on this site will 'believe' so many things but will not stand by it.

Putting it on the line to show people you're serious. Well done Smoot, I commend you...I don't agree with the outcome but I still commend you.[/quote]

He probably has a pre-planned vacation that week already. :D

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[quote=Buster;613883]He probably has a pre-planned vacation that week already. :D[/quote]

Aww man, I got all flared up for nothing.

I guess I'm the only pride gambler on this forum : )

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If the Skins somehow win this game, I will take a 3 day hiatus from the board. I'll still post news and what not, but I won't post anything else. You won't hear a peep from me until next Thurs.

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[quote=Buster;613883]He probably has a pre-planned vacation that week already. :D[/quote]


Totally true why pick those dates? Seems odd.

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[quote=Buster;613883]He probably has a pre-planned vacation that week already. :D[/quote]

:)

I also won't post from January 15 through January 30

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[quote=SmootSmack;613948]:)

I also won't post from January 15 through January 30[/quote]

Damn...a two weeker...must be nice.

I'd love to be working where you do : )