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What is the deal with Chad Rinehart? How in the hell is he not on the field? Thomas is out for the year and he's STILL not playing. WTF is going on with this guy??? Montgomery is a bum yet our 3rd rounder from last year can't beat out this journeymen? Boy did Vinny and co. miss on this guy.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;617084]You are displaying the thinking that got us into this position. Our problem is not our quarterback. You think Orton, Sanchez or hell Manning or Brady would have been any different last night? I have seen the body language that Campbell displayed before, he looked exactly like Patrick Ramsey. He was a punching bag and was just waiting for the hits to come.

What did Gibbs with with? It wasn't the QB, it was the line. The only constant of our dominating teams was the offensive line.[/quote]

Its a different game today than in Gibbs's day. It is much more Pass oriented. Out of the top 17 QB's with the top passer ratings, none of those teams have a losing record, and SD and Balt are the only teams who are 3-3. Also 10 out of those 17 were first round QB's. I am well aware that a QB does not solve all the problems, but it helps out significantly more than any other position. We just missed on talent when drafting our guys. I don't think JC is the worst, but I also think he is not capable of taking us to a superbowl.

Yes I do think Manning or Brady would have been better. Manning has played behind a shit offensive line before and still worked wonders. Last year Rothlesberger played behind arguably one of the worst lines in the league.
Just for the record, I am a believer in the offensive line, but I think one out of 5 pieces of an O-line is not as important as the guy getting the ball every play. An offensive line is pretty much only as strong as it's weakest member while a QB can make things happen any given play.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;617088]Every year a few good linemen are available. And don't discount the fact that some agents know that Snyder will be looking for a big name lineman and will do what it takes to get their clients a contract here.[/quote]

That's not the point. I just talked about why there won't be good young linemen available like you suggested we get. It's going to be tough acquire young linemen when they'll be RESTRICTED Free Agents until they're ~28.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;617090]I am absolutely floored that anyone wants a QB with our first pick. How do you watch Stephon Heyer last night and call for a quarterback?[/quote]

While being a 'build through the O-Line' type of guy myself, the fact of the matter is that the guys on MNF were right. Part of the reason we can't compete in this division is we don't have a top 10 QB (Top 10 being a reference to talent not draft position).

The fact of the matter is we can get good tackles in the 2nd round and quality Centers in the 4th. On top of that we need to bring in real top tier Free Agents and I mean the type of guy that's at the same level Randy Thomas was when we brought him in. No more of these Jermey Bridges of the world. No I want a real quality Free Agent that's going to give us a run similar to Thomas.

Personally I would love to have a Dolphins type turnaround, where they choose to bring in Jake Long over Matt Ryan (a mistake in hindsight but still Long is no slouch in the blocking department) and spend the rest of the draft adding big guys. However part of the reason they were able to turn around so quickly was that Chad Pennington became available. Personally I don't see that happening this off season as it's a rare enough occurance as it is.

Of course if we draft a OL with our first pick instead of a QB you definitely won't see me complaing.

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Sheriff Gonna Getcha said:
[INDENT][B]Dockery is the only lineman who would start for about half of the teams in the league. The rest of the guys are backups at best.[/B][/INDENT]

Listen to this man; he has provided great wisdom here.

The rest of the guys are indeed backups at best now - - and the overwhelming probability is that they will continue to be nothing better than backups in the future. Take off the burgandy and gold glasses and realize that "down the road" you are not going to have the other three NFC East teams looking jealously at Chad Rinehart or Mike Williams or Casey Rabach or Stephon Heyer or any of the other guys who can't start ahead of those goofs. There are about 9 OL on the Skins' roster; of those 9 there is 1 [I]bona fide[/I] starter at the NFL level going forward from 2009. That's it; that's the list.


Want to feel even worse? Back in the draft of 2008, the Skins traded a first round pick to Atlanta and got 2 second round picks. Atlanta took Sam Baker with that pick; Baker is a very good young OL and is playing on an OL that gave up a total of TWO sacks in their first FIVE games. [Jason Campbell gets sacked twice coming through the tunnel for player introductions.]

On whom did the Skins use those two picks they got? Did they get lesser OL prospects? Nope. Those picks became two-thirds of the Thomas/Davis/Kelly strategem.


So, how's that working out Vinny?

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;617100]You must work for the front office. If I was a MOD I'd ban front office people from posting on this site.

No, I don't agree a QB is a necessity. Eli Manning has WALL EYES!

Here's to you an your bright ideas. :vomit:[/quote]


What is with everyone and not recognizing the importance of a QB? I don't really think it's debatable that the QB is the most important piece of the team. An O-line is FIVE members. You won't fix it by getting one piece of the puzzle.

I also think manning is good, look at the numbers he is putting up with mediocre at best recievers...manningham as I think 8 drops this year. but that's a side convo not entirely on topic.

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[quote=skinster;617114]What is with everyone and not recognizing the importance of a QB? I don't really think it's debatable that the QB is the most important piece of the team. An O-line is FIVE members. You won't fix it by getting one piece of the puzzle.

I also think manning is good, look at the numbers he is putting up with mediocre at best recievers...manningham as I think 8 drops this year. but that's a side convo not entirely on topic.[/quote]

Check out sportscurmudgeon's post before yours.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;617110]While being a 'build through the O-Line' type of guy myself, the fact of the matter is that the guys on MNF were right. Part of the reason we can't compete in this division is we don't have a top 10 QB (Top 10 being a reference to talent not draft position).

The fact of the matter is we can get good tackles in the 2nd round and quality Centers in the 4th. On top of that we need to bring in real top tier Free Agents and[B] I mean the type of guy that's at the same level Randy Thomas was when we brought him in.[/B] No more of these Jermey Bridges of the world. No I want a real quality Free Agent that's going to give us a run similar to Thomas.

Personally I would love to have a Dolphins type turnaround, where they choose to bring in Jake Long over Matt Ryan (a mistake in hindsight but still Long is no slouch in the blocking department) and spend the rest of the draft adding big guys. However part of the reason they were able to turn around so quickly was that Chad Pennington became available. Personally I don't see that happening this off season as it's a rare enough occurance as it is.

Of course if we draft a OL with our first pick instead of a QB you definitely won't see me complaing.[/quote]

Under the new system, Randy Thomas would have been 2 years away from free agency when we got him.

Everyone is discounting the new rules on RFA's, it's going to prevent a ton of guys from becoming free agents. Of the list Matty had:

Jahri Evans, Marcus McNeil, Daryn Colledge, Jared Gaither, Jeremy Trueblood, David Baas, Khalif Barnes, Alex Barron, Jeromey Clary, Ryan Cook, Richie Incognito, Charlie Johnson, Chris Kuper, Deuce Lutui, Rudy Niswanger, Donald Penn, Chris Spencer, Jason Spitz, Adam Terry and Marshal Yanda

will NOT qualify for Unrestricted Free Agency. Are we starting to get the picture yet? That leaves a bunch of 30+ year olds unless you're willing to give up draft picks. The NFL is going to change in a big way. Players are going to be closer to 30 when they hit free agency and it's going to be easier to keep young talent. Free agency will become very lean in the future with no cap.

This will leave the Skins to sift through guys who aren't living up to big contracts (maybe a Robert Gallery) and are cut to avoid cap ramifications. That's essentially taking a flier on a guy to live up to his draft status...that usually doesn't work.

We need to accept that it may take more than one offseason to fix the O LINE and probably more than one to fix the whole offense.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;617117]Check out sportscurmudgeon's post before yours.[/quote]

I get it. I know the O-Line is really important. Im just saying that a qb is more important than ONE O-lineman. What is the better combo, Joe Thomas blocking for Derek Anderson or the guy that replaced Tony Ugoh blocking for Peyton Manning?
O-line needs to be developed over time, we do need to invest in it. But while we have the shot to possibly get a QB of the future, let's take it. We can pick up O-linemen with other picks in the draft and possibly in FA, while that is unlikely to do with a QB. I do not believe our problems (on the O-line and elsewhere) can be fixed in one season. We need to build to the future, and the best single starting piece we can get to do that is a QB.

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[quote=jdlea;616902]Okay...name the QB who should come in here. Where does he come from? How do you acquire him?

I understand the frustration. I'm to my breaking point with JC, but there's not one quarterback in this league who could look great behind this line, so you better address that as well. And if you want to spend a #1 pick on a QB and have him turn into David Carr behind this GD line, then you're going to be saying F Snead, Bradford, McCoy, Tebow, or Kolb in about 5 years too.[/quote]


I know few some QB's ..........rodgers, philip rivers and roetlisberger. who can still pass it even with a bad oline.
too bad JC does not have their ability.

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[quote=skinster;617114]What is with everyone and not recognizing the importance of a QB? I don't really think it's debatable that the QB is the most important piece of the team. An O-line is FIVE members. You won't fix it by getting one piece of the puzzle.

I also think manning is good, look at the numbers he is putting up with mediocre at best recievers...manningham as I think 8 drops this year. but that's a side convo not entirely on topic.[/quote]

It all starts up front.

Simple as that, a new QB isn't going to solve anything until we can protect and open holes for the running game.

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Nothing profound or enlightening here from me.

If you don't score points you can't win.

If you don't have an offensive line you can't run the ball.

If you don't have an offensive line the QB doesn't have time to throw the ball.

Last Monday it was pretty bad when the topic of discussion on ESPN Mike and Mike was how bad the Skin's are. Missed this mornings program but I'm sure it was somewhat dwelled on.

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[quote=bertoskins2;617137]I know few some QB's ..........rodgers, philip rivers and roetlisberger. who can still pass it even with a bad oline.
too bad JC does not have their ability.[/quote]

I disagree that they would be great behind this offensive line, but that's not really the point. I guess this is you casting your vote for drafting a QB? Well, then, let's say we take a first round QB and instead of developing he gets his brains kicked in behind this line...what happens then? What is your solution then? Continue to replace the QB?

How about fixing the root cause? Get some people who can f*cking block and the offense has potential. There's no hope right now, though, because none of the QBs you listed are walking through the door.

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[quote=skinster;617136]I get it. I know the O-Line is really important. Im just saying that a qb is more important than ONE O-lineman. What is the better combo, Joe Thomas blocking for Derek Anderson or the guy that replaced Tony Ugoh blocking for Peyton Manning?
O-line needs to be developed over time, we do need to invest in it. But while we have the shot to possibly get a QB of the future, let's take it. We can pick up O-linemen with other picks in the draft and possibly in FA, while that is unlikely to do with a QB. [B]I do not believe our problems (on the O-line and elsewhere) can be fixed in one season[/B]. We need to build to the future, and the best single starting piece we can get to do that is a QB.[/quote]

How about ten season?

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[quote=skinster;617136]I get it. I know the O-Line is really important. Im just saying that a qb is more important than ONE O-lineman. [B]What is the better combo, Joe Thomas blocking for Derek Anderson or the guy that replaced Tony Ugoh blocking for Peyton Manning?[/B]
O-line needs to be developed over time, we do need to invest in it. But while we have the shot to possibly get a QB of the future, let's take it. We can pick up O-linemen with other picks in the draft and possibly in FA, while that is unlikely to do with a QB. I do not believe our problems (on the O-line and elsewhere) can be fixed in one season. We need to build to the future, and the best single starting piece we can get to do that is a QB.[/quote]

What timeframe are we talking about? This is very important because next season the correct answer is "Joe Thomas blocking for Jason Campbell or Colt Brennan" because it keeps a rookie QB from getting his teeth kicked in the way Ramsey and Carr did. It's pretty hard to develop when you're taking big shots, you have to be able to protect a young QB in order for them to be good or great or even develop. So, your question is more effectively asked, "What's more important? Having Chris Samuels or having Patrick Ramsey?"

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;617143]How about ten season?[/quote]

What I meant when I said, "in one season" was "one offseason" No I think our problems are too numerous to fix by next year. I do agree that getting an O-lineman will be more beneficial for the 2010 season due to the learning curve, but I think we need to build for the future. I want a team that will win every year. A qb is the better route to go than one offensive lineman if we want to go in that direction.

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[quote=skinster;617150]What I meant when I said, "in one season" was "one offseason" No I think our problems are too numerous to fix by next year. I do agree that getting an O-lineman will be more beneficial for the 2010 season due to the learning curve, but I think we need to build for the future. [B]I want a team that will win every year[/B]. A qb is the better route to go than one offensive lineman if we want to go in that direction.[/quote]

A good OL will pretty much guarantee that, even with a decent QB.

A bad OL will pretty much guarantee more of the same despite who is under center.

If you want to build for the long run, build up the OL.

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[quote=skinster;617150]What I meant when I said, "in one season" was "one offseason" No I think our problems are too numerous to fix by next year. I do agree that getting an O-lineman will be more beneficial for the 2010 season due to the learning curve, but I think we need to build for the future. I want a team that will win every year. A qb is the better route to go than one offensive lineman if we want to go in that direction.[/quote]


I think the line can be dramatically improved in one offseason. We have some parts already. Dock is fine. I think Mike Williams could be an effective guard with his size and pass protection ability and Levi Jones may still have something left in the tank (we will know by the end of the season). One or two effective free agents and two good draft picks and we can be right where we need to be.

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[quote=skinster;617150]What I meant when I said, "in one season" was "one offseason" No I think our problems are too numerous to fix by next year. I do agree that getting an O-lineman will be more beneficial for the 2010 season due to the learning curve, but I think we need to build for the future. I want a team that will win every year. A qb is the better route to go than one offensive lineman if we want to go in that direction.[/quote]

Listen to the voices of reason.

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[quote=Longtimefan;616951]This line has it's problems across the board, but in all fairness to Williams I think he's played fairly well the last two weeks at R/T. The real problem areas on the line right now are at C/RG/LT. I've had my nocks trained on the RT for the last two weeks since Williams has been inserted, he is not the problem.[/quote]

Couldn't have said it better myself. Williams is has had solid outings the last couple of games. I'm waiting till the end of the season to see if RT is a huge a need as we think. Regardless, if we end up with a top 5 pick, we should draft Okung....then trade back into the late 1st round and take Colt McCoy (future Aaron Rogers).

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;617159]I think the line can be dramatically improved in one offseason. We have some parts already. Dock is fine. I think Mike Williams could be an effective guard with his size and pass protection ability and Levi Jones may still have something left in the tank (we will know by the end of the season). One or two effective free agents and two good draft picks and we can be right where we need to be.[/quote]

Mike williams is not an effective gaurd. Levi Jones might be an adequate band aid to one position. Two good draft picks with one to two good free agents is too much to bank on. We can't naturally assume we will hit on our players that we choose. Too many "what ifs" and not enough time to develop chemistry. It seems to be a one in a hundred shot. Realistically we can get an adequate O-line next year if we disregard all other positions, but would be only semi-fixing one of many problems.

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Pocket$ Straight:

If Williams and Jones are so competent, how come 32 NFL teams allowed them to languish in a state of idleness for several years? Are you telling me that no team in the league faced serious problems with the competency of its OL in the last three years? Or maybe the Skins' FO was the only organization smart enough to track down these lost souls?


These guys were unmitigated busts as high draft pick. Now MAYBE they have reformed some of their habits such that they MIGHT become serviceable NFL players. But to see these guys turning into foundation pieces for an NFL team probably requires a visit from the Skins' Fairy Godmother.

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;617171]Pocket$ Straight:

If Williams and Jones are so competent, how come 32 NFL teams allowed them to languish in a state of idleness for several years? Are you telling me that no team in the league faced serious problems with the competency of its OL in the last three years? Or maybe the Skins' FO was the only organization smart enough to track down these lost souls?


These guys were unmitigated busts as high draft pick. Now MAYBE they have reformed some of their habits such that they MIGHT become serviceable NFL players. But to see these guys turning into foundation pieces for an NFL team probably requires a visit from the Skins' Fairy Godmother.[/quote]

I don't think he was saying they would build around them as much as those guys may be able to maintain a spot for a year or two as young draft picks are brought in.

A good example of rebuilding an o line in 1 year is our rival pokes; a few years ago they overpaid Leonard Davis, a career underachiever at OT, and moved him to guard. They picked up Mark Colombo & he resurrected his career as their RT after he was pretty much a bust 2nd rounder in chicago. They already had a good LT (penalties aside) & C (shotgun snapping aside). Their LG spot has been a problem w/Kosier et al, but they have been pretty solid as a unit, great run blockers at least. Sure they've had troulbe in pass pro v. the better pass rushers, but they transformed that unit quickly & have had some explosive offensive years since.

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[quote=bertoskins2;617137]I know few some QB's ..........rodgers, philip rivers and roetlisberger. who can still pass it even with a bad oline.
too bad JC does not have their ability.[/quote]

SPOT ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Big Ben won the Super Bowl with one of the worst lines in football. Ben was a [B]1st Round draft pick!!![/B]

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[quote=Son Of Man;617181]SPOT ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Big Ben won the Super Bowl with one of the worst lines in football. Ben was a [B]1st Round draft pick!!![/B][/quote]

So was JC and Ramsey before him.

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[quote=Mattyk72;617195]So was JC and Ramsey before him.[/quote]

True...just have a real GM pick our next one!

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[quote=Mattyk72;616881]I keep going back and forth on JC right now, half of me wonders if he's just so worried about the OL right now it's hurting his whole game. The other half of me says he needs to stand strong and make the throws despite of the pressure.

But honestly if you look around the league, anytime a QB faces heavy and consistent pressure, eventually he's going to fold, I don't care who you are.[/quote]

I feel the same way. I'm teetering on the fence about his performances. I think part of the problem is obviously the O-line but other QB's only have 3-7 sec. to get rid of the ball also. I see him not picking up where the blitz is coming from in obvious situations, I see him throwing the ball too late to the receivers forcing them to try to catch the ball behind them, he gets scared and throws the ball too soon when the receiver is not expecting it ie; two players getting hit in the helmit, checking down too soon when there is open receivers down field.

I'm not trying to bash him, I was one of the fans who thought he might work out since he did so well the first 8 games last yr, but he leaves me wondering what he has that would make any team want to keep him. What I see is if the receiver has not come to a complete stop, facing him, ready to catch the ball, with no defender with in 10 yrds JC doesn't like to throw the ball. Not sure if it's cause he's afraid to throw an interception or if he has trouble hitting moving targets. If we keep him the off season needs to be utilized trying to hit those moving golf targets. LOL.

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[quote=Mattyk72;616905]I find it hard to hate on Bugel when the talent simply isn't there. He's not a miracle worker.[/quote]Well, I sort of understand what he's trying to do, but if the argument is that a coach is responsible for putting players in a position to succeed, it's hard to argue that he's doing a good job.

You have Heyer, a decent RT who the team is trying to turn into a LT with little success. You have Rinehart, who is riding the bench for no really good reason, while Montgomery plays (terribly). You have Dockery and Rabach, who are the status quo at LG, and C, the common links on a bad line. And how much of the blame for Mike Williams should sit with him. Mike's been decent given the expectations, but that's not helping us win ball games.

Bugel shouldn't be expected to fix all the problems that are ailing us, especially when the backs are missing so many blocks, but this line is no better than it was 4 weeks ago, and that's a problem.

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I think JC's play last night was way more offensive than the offensive line.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;617110][B]The fact of the matter is we can get good tackles in the 2nd round and quality Centers in the 4th.[/B] On top of that we need to bring in real top tier Free Agents and I mean the type of guy that's at the same level Randy Thomas was when we brought him in. No more of these Jermey Bridges of the world. No I want a real quality Free Agent that's going to give us a run similar to Thomas. [/quote]Not Tackles or Centers that everyone agrees are good. You'd be selecting players who other, smarter teams passed over for whatever reason. Doesn't mean you won't hit, just that the chances hover more around a coin flip instead of a sure thing.

Quarterbacks, on the other hand, if you can tell the good ones from the bad ones, you can pick up a good one in the late second or third round. Whether or not they'll be a top ten "talent" depends on whether you're successful on those OL picks or not.

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How many times did Campbell have to pick himself up off the ground last night?

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[quote=wordsmithgk;617379]How many times did Campbell have to pick himself up off the ground last night?[/quote]

Excluding times when he ran into a sack or ran towards pressure or didn't step up into the pocket?

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[quote=jdlea;617064]Everything else you stated is pretty obvious. JC isn't going to come back here and if he does, he won't start. However, you didn't answer my question: How do you get those guys? Is Hasselbeck a free agent? I honestly don't know. Do you have faith he'll stay healthy behind this O Line?

How do you get Kolb? What does it take? What do you think it would take to acquire him? If it requires draft picks, wouldn't they be better spent on the O Line?

I'm asking because there will probably be a lot of guys cut this offseason that people on this board will turn up their noses at, but the Skins might consider. I honestly don't have an answer for what they should do. Since Campbell will likely not be a UFA because of the uncapped year, it might be wise to keep he and Colt around to compete next year with a totally rebuilt O Line. If that happens, people will piss and moan because they'll probably lose again, but they'll be in a much better position to grab a QB and hit the ground running in 2011.

I'm of the opinion that this team will need much more than one offseason to rebuild and compete again.

I think one thing people need to consider is "Is one more season of Jason Campbell worse than one more season of this offensive line?" If the answer is "No" you still try to get a FA QB, but you really can't trade for one unless you somehow find someone to give you picks for some of the garbage on this roster.[/quote]

Sorry was out, yes agree more than 1 year to rebuild. Oline should be the first to receive attention in the rebuilding process. To your question of how to get a QB: Im not in favor of drafting one this coming up year, but I feel to effectively start a rebuilding process will be with to rid our offense of players who has leveled out, peaked, stagnated etc...whatever you want to call it over last several years starting with the guy who has the ball in his hands the most, JC. There will be vets availible and I prefer somebody else at this point. Some guys just need a change of scenery...JC may be that way as well...so while we both understand this offense may take a couple years, getting a vet or guy who hasnt succeeded (D. Anderson, Brady Quinn, etc.) to get under center I wouldnt see as taking a substantial risk (unless we give a stupid ass contract). I just cant deal with JC anymore, im officially done with him. But before we can get there we need a new GM and an established NFL coach.

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Quick stupid question. When teams are bringing the house like the Eagles did last night, aren't you supposed to counter with screen passes, quick hits (slants, etc), move the pocket around, draw plays, etc? Other teams seem able to scheme against poor pass protection/over-aggressive Defenses. What's our deal? First half, I didn't think the pass protection was all that bad, but second half it was criminal.

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not backing JC or antying...but how do you have any pocket presence when your OL is getting beat and pressure is coming from all angles? He must be nervous turning his back to the defense knowing he is going to get rocked...

what's funnier is Cerrato said that he handed Jim Zorn a playoff team earlier today on the radio...what a JOKE!

and one more thing...they need to either fire zorn now...or let him be the coach.

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[quote=44Deezel;617402]Quick stupid question. When teams are bringing the house like the Eagles did last night, aren't you supposed to counter with screen passes, quick hits (slants, etc), move the pocket around, draw plays, etc? Other teams seem able to scheme against poor pass protection/over-aggressive Defenses. What's our deal? First half, I didn't think the pass protection was all that bad, but second half it was criminal.[/quote]

I'm bothered by this too, and I suspect the answer is twofold. First, our coaches, whether it's Zorn or Lewis, are terrible at making adjustments. I've said before Zorn may have the most genius gameplan in the world up to kick-off, once things start to inevitably unravel he doesn't adjust the calls wisely. Last night was the same story...like you said where were the quick slants, screens and RB dump-offs to punish the defense for sending the house? The second problem is we evidently don't run an offense that allows for adjustment at the LOS. Like they joked on ESPN last night Jason doesn't know what an audible is.

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It would help if the offense had audibles to begin with. Can't fault JC for that.

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This is a really, really good thread IMO...lots of quality discussion in the midst of a ruined franchise so props to everyone. I'm never again assuming lil D will learn a lesson and make solid decisions as the real GM, but if luck has it we somehow start down the right track this is what I think it should look like:

Build our offense through the draft next year. We likely will have the 4 or 5 overall pick as St. Louis, KC, Tampa, Detroit and ourselves suck the bottom of the NFL aquarium in '09. We should get the 2nd best overall LT there as a no-brainer pick. That high 2nd round pick is perfect for a starting center...Rabach must never play again after this season. The best RB available in the 3rd rd makes sense, but if there's another quality o-lineman available I would grab him and wait on the RB.

I'm assuming we bring in a legit WR coach to develop our investments at the position. The next big question mark is QB. I definitely think Jason is gone after this season. I would like to see us bring in the best veteran QB available to compete w/ Colt for the starting spot. I definitely wouldn't invest a high draft pick there...just doesn't make sense.

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[quote=Mattyk72;617421]It would help if the offense had audibles to begin with. Can't fault JC for that.[/quote]

An NFL offense without a full slate of audibles...what a great idea!

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[quote=Lotus;617430]An NFL offense without a full slate of audibles...what a great idea![/quote]

Al Saunders understands. I don't however.

I can only imagine being a QB at the line of scrimmage thinking shit, we're gonna get blown up this play, and you can't do a thing about it.