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[quote=GusFrerotte;617381]A guy that might be a good steal is LeFavre from Central Michigan. One hell of an athlete, great arm, etc. He is the Matt Ryan, Flacco type, in that he is totally under the radar. The big named QB's are not the ones to draft. The only ones to have panned out in the last decade are Eli and Palmer, and it took Palmer forever to get healthy or stay healthy. McCoy plays at a powerhouse, so does Bradford. They do not see real evenly matched competiton unless they play each other, Tex Tech, or Nebraska. On top of that Bradford has a glass shoulder.[/quote]
I don't know that you call injuring a shoulder and then re-aggravating it as a "glass" bodypart, but I guess they think enough of it to encourage him to go ahead and get paid.

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[quote=Chico23231;617397]Trade JC for a 7th rounder. Cut Collins. Give Vinny a new pair of cement shoes. Bring in a Vet and rebuild the Oline with our picks. Vick anyone?[/quote]
:doh:

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[quote=Coff;617404]I agree with that. Gruden seemed to focus on very fixable aspects of JCs game, such as planting his feet before a throw and keeping his eyes downfield.[/quote]
every analyst this year has said that

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[quote=GusFrerotte;617381]A guy that might be a good steal is LeFavre from Central Michigan. One hell of an athlete, great arm, etc. He is the Matt Ryan, Flacco type, in that he is totally under the radar. The big named QB's are not the ones to draft. The only ones to have panned out in the last decade are Eli and Palmer, and it took Palmer forever to get healthy or stay healthy. McCoy plays at a powerhouse, so does Bradford. They do not see real evenly matched competiton unless they play each other, Tex Tech, or Nebraska. On top of that Bradford has a glass shoulder.[/quote]

So P. Rivers or Big Ben havn't panned out? Palmer isn't better than any of those two. Idk what you are watching but Rivers is a top 5 QB.

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[quote=skins89moss;617486]I like the Jackson choice because he comes from a WC offense in Minnesota and he is mobile. He also is young but has some starts under his belt.
Matt Moore can not beat out Jake Delhomme enough said.[/quote]
Jackson did some some good stuff earlier in the year.. last year he was what we think of JaMarcus this year

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[quote=tryfuhl;617492]every analyst this year has said that[/quote]

Guys JC is 28 yrs old, if you think one guy will change this guy's mechanics you are high! I just dont understand why JC continues to look the same every year and you guys always defend him?

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Let Colt Brennan, Chase Daniels, Andre Woodson and an affordable relatively young FA veteran battle it out next summer. Yes, bring Chase back. I am not saying Chase is the answer, but I like him. If we get a diamond in rough out of this group great, but we should not invest heavily in an expensive FA Qb or spend a valuable draft pick on a QB with all the other needs we have. Rebuilding the O-line might take a couple of years.

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In an uncapped year Kellen Clemens would not be an unrestricted free agent

People shouldn't read too much into Moore not starting over Delhomme. Delhomme is a veteran with a massive contract, but that doesn't mean Moore can't play. More importantly he probably wouldn't cost too much (well maybe a 5th rounder which for us might be too much). I'm not advocating him, just saying he's a possibility

In the past when I've brought up Tarvaris Jackson, the reaction has been less than encouraging...so I think I'll stop bringing him up

If Shanahan is our guy, Matt Leinart will absolutely be on our radar. If it's Gruden, I don't see it happening

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SEC QB don't want no corn eating midwest NFL busts at QB or West coast NFL busts.

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[quote=Defensewins;617504]Let Colt Brennan, Chase Daniels, Andre Woodson and an affordable relatively young FA veteran battle it out next summer. Yes, bring Chase back. I am not saying Chase is the answer, but I like him. If we get a diamond in rough out of this group great, but we should not invest heavily in an expensive FA Qb or spend a valuable draft pick on a QB with all the other needs we have. Rebuilding the O-line might take a couple of years.[/quote]


You can't pick QBs based on whether you like them or not. JEEZ!!!

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[quote=Hamoskinz;617319]Since I want to rebuild the o-line first, I would bring in Jeff Garcia and battle it with CB5 for a starting QB while we use the 2010 draft to rebuild the o-line exclusively.

If we had 2 1st picks then I would consider drafting a QB (possibly Bradford/McCoy) with one of those picks.[/quote]
The problem is that we need a QB that develops with the line. If we just address the line then your talking two years or so then we find a QB and talking another 2 to 3 years and by that time some of those OL contracts will be running out.

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;617388]I wouldnt mind seeing us go after Kolb, he has experience in the WCO and did well since his Balt game. If not i just hope we build the Oline in the draft and FA and hell, let CB give it a go as we transition. I dont see a QB worth our picks in the draft, we have bigger issues and JC is gone by his own choice after this season IMO. plus we also need to bring in a RB to take over for CP who has clearly lost his burst.[/quote]

I bought this up in another thread but I think Smoot said he's under contract until 2010.

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[quote=SmootSmack;617548]In an uncapped year Kellen Clemens would not be an unrestricted free agent

People shouldn't read too much into Moore not starting over Delhomme. Delhomme is a veteran with a massive contract, but that doesn't mean Moore can't play. More importantly he probably wouldn't cost too much (well maybe a 5th rounder which for us might be too much). I'm not advocating him, just saying he's a possibility

In the past when I've brought up Tarvaris Jackson, the reaction has been less than encouraging...so I think I'll stop bringing him up

If Shanahan is our guy, Matt Leinart will absolutely be on our radar. If it's Gruden, I don't see it happening[/quote]

What about bringing in both guys? What about John David Booty? He was one of the top QB's in the country his senior year.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;617567]You can't pick QBs based on whether you like them or not. JEEZ!!![/quote]

I don't know the guy.
What I was trying to say is I like what I saw of him on the field, the limited amount of time he played. He had his ups and downs, but I would like to see more of him and see if he has anything, that is all. There are no guarantees in picking a QB whether it is high or low in the draft or picking up a FA. Guys like Brady in NE prove you do not have to be a high pedigree guy.
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[quote=skinsfan69;617594]What about bringing in both guys? What about John David Booty? He was one of the top QB's in the country his senior year.[/quote]

Both guys?

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[quote=sandtrapjack;617273]Oh no, tell me you did not say JaMarcus Russell!?!?

Jason Campbell, Ryan Leaf, Akili Smith, not to mention my grandmother are all Hall-of-Famers compared to Russell.

What a bag of crap he is on the field.[/quote]

Im not really saying I want Russell...far from it...just threwing out any name that came to my head that might be available.
For the record, I want Colt Brennan, and I want to draft Bradford, or if he's taken, Tebow.

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[quote=jsarno;617663]Im not really saying I want Russell...far from it...just threwing out any name that came to my head that might be available.
For the record, I want Colt Brennan, and I want to draft Bradford, or if he's taken, Tebow.[/quote]

In terms of veterans, I like the idea of getting Bulger. He's on a horrible team, but the man has talent.

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[quote=tryfuhl;617492]every analyst this year has said that[/quote]


So might it therefore be worth keeping Campbell, at least while we continue to groom a new QB?

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[quote=jsarno;617665]In terms of veterans, I like the idea of getting Bulger. He's on a horrible team, but the man has talent.[/quote]

His age doesn't concern you? Shouldn't we go younger than that?

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Build a Badass O-line, and keep Campbell until you can draft an equally Badass qb. Campbell may well prove.....serviceable behind a great line.

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[quote=jsarno;617246]So who will be your poison?[/quote]

It fitting that you choose the word poison because drafting a QB with an early round draft pick is a mistake in my opinion.

We need our top picks for OL.

But i'll stick with your OP though....

If the Skins [I]must [/I] draft a QB i would hope that Tebow/McCoy falls into the 2-3rd rounds.

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[quote=Mattyk72;617284]Depending on who the coach is, there's a chance JC stays. Just saying.[/quote]

Agreed. He's playing extremely well CONSIDERING he has zero protection and is running for his life. Heck, he doesn't even have a center that can snap the ball properly...no QB could succeed with this line, or lack of one.

I think he has showed a lot of progress and even leadership, but no captain can save a sinking ship...he can only hope to keep it above water as long as possible. Look at the second half drives against Philly, with Campbell obviously hurting (ankle) from taking so many shots. He put together some great drives that would have resulted in 2 TDs and an impressive comeback if Rabach wasn't such a...

I want Campbell back with a built-up line and new coach. I believe he'll do extremely well. Our top pick must be used on the best tackle in the nation.

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[quote=cookskin21;617451]ewww, i disagree... im thinking he might be a great fit.. at least he can outrun the rush we see every attempt! just my opinion... bring on tebow!! thats my .02[/quote]

If we waste our 1st round pick on a QB, especially Tebow, he'll need to be able to run for his life after another year of neglecting the line in the draft.

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[quote=jsarno;617665]In terms of veterans, I like the idea of getting Bulger. He's on a horrible team, but the man has talent.[/quote]You could just replace "Bulger" with "Campbell" and the argument fits just as well.

We'd still have to fix the obvious issues with the offense before you could sap one ounce of Bulgers talent, and at that point, you're still not getting anything you wouldn't have with Campbell.

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[quote=Buster;617724]Agreed. He's playing extremely well CONSIDERING he has zero protection and is running for his life. Heck, he doesn't even have a center that can snap the ball properly...no QB could succeed with this line, or lack of one.

I think he has showed a lot of progress and even leadership, but no captain can save a sinking ship...he can only hope to keep it above water as long as possible. Look at the second half drives against Philly, with Campbell obviously hurting (ankle) from taking so many shots. He put together some great drives that would have resulted in 2 TDs and an impressive comeback if Rabach wasn't such a...

I want Campbell back with a built-up line and new coach. I believe he'll do extremely well. Our top pick must be used on the best tackle in the nation.[/quote]

This is what I've been saying and makes the most sense. Do people want some inexperience backup to run the team? I don't, I rather take my chances rebuilding the line and see how Campbell performs under it. This would only happens if Campbell wants to return after all the crap he's been thrown at.

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It probably makes more sense to go OL first round and then maybe QB in the second (especially with the depth there in this year's draft). And then OL again in the mid to late rounds.

But I don't see it as a total tragedy if we draft a QB first and then go OL in the 2nd

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[quote=GTripp0012;617727]You could just replace "Bulger" with "Campbell" and the argument fits just as well.

We'd still have to fix the obvious issues with the offense before you could sap one ounce of Bulgers talent, and at that point, you're still not getting anything you wouldn't have with Campbell.[/quote]

Well you'd have to fix the o-line but Bulger is a more accurate passer than JC. He doesn't have the physical skills, arm mobility and so on... but I think he can be a better QB with a good team around him. Bulger does something I've never ever seen JC do in 5 years, he actually throws the ball before wr's come out of their breaks.

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[quote=SmootSmack;617662]Both guys?[/quote]

I'm just throwing things around. We've got to upgrade the QB position and I don't see a can't miss prospect coming out in the draft.

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Colt McCoy reminds me of Heath Shuler.

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[quote=skinsfan69;617747]Well you'd have to fix the o-line but Bulger is a more accurate passer than JC. He doesn't have the physical skills, arm mobility and so on... but I think he can be a better QB with a good team around him. Bulger does something [B]I've never ever seen JC do in 5 years, he actually throws the ball before wr's come out of their breaks.[/B][/quote]

[YT]trZfHoEtFeE[/YT]

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[quote=skinsfan69;617750]I'm just throwing things around. We've got to upgrade the QB position and I don't see a can't miss prospect coming out in the draft.[/quote]

I'm not sure which two guys you were talking about though

And how does Colt remind you of Shuler?

I'm watching Colt's game from last weekend right now, just watched Snead earlier today. I like Colt's presence more, but Snead has the better arm in my opinion

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It's going to be a long season when we're talking draft before our 8th game. Sigh...

Hey, we need more picks as a team. There are too many holes. Anyway, we can get picks, we need them, barring doing any stupid. I'm not opposed to a QB first although we do need multiple lineman.

I guess hopefully this will be up to our new GM and coach. Hopefully, we'll have a guy that comes in and does it their way as opposed to the owners way.

Clausen looks like he can play imo. Bradford has impressed scouts but I really haven't seen much of him. He could slide due to his injury. He won't be able to do the combine, workouts, etc.

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Clausen if he's there without having to trading up. If not, take Okung and then another OL (Black from LSU?) in the second. QB will have to come through FA / trade until 2011.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;617767]Clausen if he's there without having to trading up. If not, take Okung and then another OL (Black from LSU?) in the second. QB will have to come through FA / trade until 2011.[/quote]

So Clausen or bust as far as college QBs for you?

(Watching Tim Tebow's game from last weekend now)

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You could just replace "Bulger" with "Campbell" and the argument fits just as well.

We'd still have to fix the obvious issues with the offense before you could sap one ounce of Bulgers talent, and at that point, [B]you're still not getting anything you wouldn't have with Campbell[/B].[/QUOTE]

Exactly! You can't expect ANY quarterback to do any better than Campbell's done with the current O-line situation. How can you even evaluate a performance when all he is doing is running for his life. Fix the line problems first and then, (whether JC is here or not) plug a QB into the situation. If I were a top 5 QB in the draft, or in free agency, I would do everything I could NOT to come here.

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[quote=Buster;617759][yt]trZfHoEtFeE[/yt][/quote]
Moss was a bit open there too.. and he was past his break

I know that you can't come up with video of every time he actually has, but it'd still be the exception

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[quote=SmootSmack;617733]It probably makes more sense to go OL first round and then maybe QB in the second (especially with the depth there in this year's draft). And then OL again in the mid to late rounds.

But I don't see it as a total tragedy if we draft a QB first and then go OL in the 2nd[/quote]

Thats kind of what the Falcons did last year and it worked out pretty well for them... I guess it would depend on what QB we selected in the first. It sure as hell had better not be Sam Bradford. I havent heard a single professional opinion of him that says he's not overrated. He has raw potential, but is 2-3 years away from starting in the league. IMO, you dont draft a QB in the first round unless you think he is atleast CAPEABLE of starting at some point in his rookie season. Project QBs should never be taken in the first.

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just the thought of Campbell returning made me throw up in my mouth alittle. im not sure who to bring in. but i like the idea of bringing in a veteran, to give the skins time to build an NFL caliber line. because what they have here now is no where close to a real offensive line. and im not seeing the same things in Clausen that alot of you guys are. can someone explain him to me?

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;617778]Thats kind of what the Falcons did last year and it worked out pretty well for them... I guess it would depend on what QB we selected in the first. It sure as hell had better not be Sam Bradford. I havent heard a single professional opinion of him that says he's not overrated. He has raw potential, but is 2-3 years away from starting in the league. IMO, you dont draft a QB in the first round unless you think he is atleast CAPEABLE of starting at some point in his rookie season. Project QBs should never be taken in the first.[/quote]

Plus, Bradford would likely have his already possibly-fragile limbs ripped off if we don't make it top priority to get an offensive line.

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[quote=Buster;617759][yt]trZfHoEtFeE[/yt][/quote]

analyze the whole body of work. not the best play of his career.