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[quote=Beemnseven;620310]Thomas and Kelly suck too. But that doesn't change the fact that Randle El has been a miserable free agent pickup. Can you think of one game since 2006 where we could collectively say, "thank goodness we signed Randle El, he REALLY came through for us today."

As far as his salary goes, it would be nice if we built this team with guys who are hungry, and eager to prove themselves as opposed to flashy guys who in the back of their minds know they will be well compensated no matter how they produce. Antwaan personifies that failed approach.[/quote]

If ARE is a miserable pickup as you say, what does that make someone like Lloyd?

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[quote=SkinFanatic;620309]The Redskins have a 10 year history under DS of signing has-beens at the end of there careers at the expense of draft picks and the salary cap (remember Dana Stubblefield, Deion Sanders, Bruce Smith, etc., etc.). It amazes me how every year the fans eat it up like we were just that one guy away from being a contender. Randle El is just one more example. No draft picks, but also no production. Unfortunately, rebuilding this team is going to be a long haul. When we do wise up and get some real football guys in charge, I hope the die-hards are ready for a long rebuilding process. Let's just hope the Danny can keep someone around long-enough to do it right.[/quote]

Actually, Randle El came under Gibbs' watch, and as Matty said the Lloyd pick up was worst. At least we didn't was picks on ARE.

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Snyder had nothing to do with Stubbefield, who by the way is in a messed up state right now

[url]http://www.mercurynews.com/raiders/ci_13685378[/url]

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Finally...

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[quote=SmootSmack;620330]Snyder had nothing to do with Stubbefield, who by the way is in a messed up state right now

[url]http://www.mercurynews.com/raiders/ci_13685378[/url][/quote]

damn, just another example of how steriods ruin sports and sports stars

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I used to spend a lot of time with Stubblefield back in the day, never roided up with him though, just interviews and what not. And he was so nice, just extremely nice (and great at grilling). I wanted him off the team like any other Redskin fan back then, because he kinda sucked. But as a person he was a true joy to be around...just goes to show you never how people are behind closed doors

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Hey I watched Hall when he played for VT guys not a bad returner I kinda scratch my head about why he wasn't already back there. Don't get me wrong I like what Randle El brings to the table but he's not getting it done back there!

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[quote=SmootSmack;620387]I used to spend a lot of time with Stubblefield back in the day, never roided up with him though, just interviews and what not. And he was so nice, just extremely nice (and great at grilling). I wanted him off the team like any other Redskin fan back then, because he kinda sucked. But as a person he was a true joy to be around...just goes to show you never how people are behind closed doors[/quote]

I know this is off topic. What do you do for a living to have been able to interact with some of these players? Ive read some of your comments about other players and its got me wondering/jealous.

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[quote=Beemnseven;620310][B]Thomas and Kelly suck too.[/B] But that doesn't change the fact that Randle El has been a miserable free agent pickup.[/quote]

I think it is to early to say that. True they haven't done any thing of yet,but neither has any one on offense. JC has not done anything to make any one look good, he misses wide open recievers, wide open recievers drop catchable balls, the O-line cant open up a run lane, RB's cant find a hole when they do they run out of gas, JC doesn't have enough time to throw, while running the 2 minute offense thats when Zorn decides to jump in throw the timing off by calling plays. Zorn did finally get something right benching ARE or was it a diffrent set of eyes.

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[quote=warpaint;620487]I know this is off topic. What do you do for a living to have been able to interact with some of these players? Ive read some of your comments about other players and its got me wondering/jealous.[/quote]

Sports media guy, various jobs at various levels for the last decade or so

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In other words he is the shorter guy in the Halloween photo that he posted in the Halloween thread.

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[quote=Angry;620522]In other words he is the shorter guy in the Halloween photo that he posted in the Halloween thread.[/quote]

LOL...technically I'm not press though (not anymore at least), and I've never worked for a newspaper, and it only really makes sense if that was Chase Daniel not Tim Tebow (have I said too much now)

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WOW...I think I know who the real HC is now...it's ARE. He decided he wants his job back, that he sucks at! Zorn is a poster child for what a HC isn't! :doh:


Zorn says Randle El is primary punt returner

[B]Coach Jim Zorn today contradicted comments he made the previous two days about the team's punt return situation, saying after practice "nothing has changed"[/B] and Antwaan Randle El would remain the team's primary returner.

"Antwaan, I guess he got asked a couple of questions, and he came into my office to talk about it," Zorn said. "I said, 'Well, there's really nothing to talk about. Nothing has changed.' That's how I would bill it. There's no difference."

[B]In an interview Monday, Zorn said the team planned to expand cornerback DeAngelo Hall's role as a punt returner, using him more than Randle El - the primary returner the last four seasons - while also continuing to occasionally turn to top receiver Santana Moss in a change-of-pace role. Zorn said Hall "probably" would handle the first punt return Sunday against the Atlanta Falcons at the Georgia Dome and be used more than Randle El during the game.[/B]

[B]"One of the things that's going to happen is we're going to get another guy involved in punt returning and that's going to be DeAngelo," Zorn said Monday. "We're going to try to get him more and more reps. I've been trying to get Santana at least a couple of punt returns a game and I'm going to continue that. You're still going to see Antwaan out there but it'll be a little more flipped as far as the involvement. You're going to see more and more" of Hall.[/B]

[B]During his radio Tuesday show on ESPN 980, Zorn acknowledged "the situation has changed." Zorn reiterated that he intends to use Hall, Moss and Randle El, and if Randle El "was purely a punt returner who has had production, he'd probably continue on. ... Not totally his problem, but with some of the production problems that we've had there, I'm starting to interject with other guys."[/B]

But Zorn reversed field today, only committing to Hall being "involved. And if he's involved more, it'll be one or two reps. But it's not necessarily a change. It's just an addition to get him more involved. He was last week. Antwaan Randle El is our punt returner. You're going to see Santana Moss, which you have, and you're going to see DeAngelo Hall, who you saw last game, and we'll see what happens."

On his radio show Tuesday, Zorn said he wasn't certain who'd return the first punt Sunday against the Falcons. Asked the same question after practice Wednesday, Zorn said Randle El would return the first punt.

Asked to explain his comments about Randle El on his radio show, Zorn said he never made an official statement regarding the situation. "Remember, I was asked that on every single thing I did yesterday," Zorn said. "I did four or five interviews yesterday. That was the No. 1 question. And I guess what I'm doing is saying there's not as much to it as whatever's been reported."

In Randle El's final year in Pittsburgh, 2005, he averaged 10.2 yards per return. In his first year in Washington, that number dropped to 8.8 yards. In 2007, it was 6.1, and in 2008, it was 6.5. And this year: 5.2 yards on his 11 returns, which does not count his 11 fair catches or his two fumbles.

[B]On Monday, Zorn said part of his reasoning for planning to give Hall a bigger role was because Randle el has "dropped a couple" and the team simply needed more production from the position.[/B] "No one gave me the okay that I was going to be back there returning," Hall said after practice. "I got the same reps I normally get. Me, Santana and El split them up, so, you know, no change in order. El goes first, Tana second, I'm third. Same thing."

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ARE: (sobbing) You don't really wanna take my job away...(lip quivers) do ya coach? (sniffles twice). You remember what it was like when they took your job don't ya coach?

JZ: (teary eyed) I'm sorry ARE I cannot believe how quickly I forgot how painfull it is to have something you suck at ripped away from you so quickly. You're still our return man.

Both men begin bursting into tears and share a :grouphug:

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guess we'll have to get used to fumbles .... at elast one per game.

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Just when you really got used to East, West, Little Shake & Bake, Then fall down! The new specialty can't catch and hold onto the football.....

I can't believe this coaching staff is this foolish and HONESTLY believes ARE is the best player available for punt returns, as POOR as he has been for years! Put in Moss, DHall, Thomas, Marko....scratch Marko they can't even find his uniform. Geez

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Just cant wait till Jim Zorn gets fired. He might be trying to sabotage our season out of spite. Now that the only decisions he makes is whether to use 1 or 2 ply.

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It is becoming increasingly abvious that Zorn doesn't have a clue. Too bad, casue I was trying to like the guy. But come on...how can you possibly justify keeping ARE on punt return? What a joke!

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Smoot: There might be a little thread title adjustment needed after ARE kinda/sorta is GIVEN his starting job back after one day of decent practice.

Randle El gets ONE MORE CHANCE, back to PR starter after crying session with Zorn ;)

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jesus christ

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As much as I like Zorn, but I'm starting to believe that Zorn isn't cut for head coach position anymore.. I used to believe he was but, we can see that he does not have control over all players..

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wow... I really don't understand the concept of continuing to use ARE. Cartwright, I basically understand, you give up the explosiveness for a solid consistent guy, not everyone's choice, but understandable. ARE gives nothing in punt returns, has definitely gotten worse fumbling. Zorn is dangerously close to losing even more of his HC role if this charade keeps up.

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Not sure I heard it right, but apparently Randle El called out his teammates on the punt returns something to the extent of "it's not like they're making any holes for me to do anything but fair catch the ball"

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[quote=SmootSmack;620593]Not sure I heard it right, but apparently Randle El called out his teammates on the punt returns something to the extent of "it's not like they're making any holes for me to do anything but fair catch the ball"[/quote]

that would be understandable except for when he doesn't fair catch, he runs east to west, which he might have been able to do back in pit when he was a step quicker, but he doesn't have that step any more and needs to hit the holes that are there, but regardless of special team ARE has been a great slot receiver for us these past few years

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[quote=SmootSmack;620593]Not sure I heard it right, but apparently Randle El called out his teammates on the punt returns something to the extent of "it's not like they're making any holes for me to do anything but fair catch the ball"[/quote]

Sounds like primadonna drama. Portis calling out Sellers. Actually he never called out Sellers, he just went over everyones head and bitched. ARE calling out the Special Teams. Jesus Christ, what's next?

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[quote=DynamiteRave;620600]Sounds like primadonna drama. Portis calling out Sellers. Actually he never called out Sellers, he just went over everyones head and bitched. ARE calling out the Special Teams. Jesus Christ, what's next?[/quote]

Campbell calling out the offensive line, Moss calling out Campbell, the defense calling out the offense. LOL.

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I think it's clear that Zorn is just not the kind of a leader a football team needs. Too much internal conflict and everyone talking to the media. There is a clear lack of discipline and that starts with the HC.

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[quote=Mattyk72;620640]I think it's clear that Zorn is just not the kind of a leader a football team needs. Too much internal conflict and everyone talking to the media. There is a clear lack of discipline and that starts with the HC.[/quote]

Agreed. I agreed with this weeks ago.

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[quote=Ruhskins;620612]Campbell calling out the offensive line, Moss calling out Campbell, the defense calling out the offense. LOL.[/quote]

Get ready for more of the same now that they are starting to play football again.

It's been so nice not to be miserable about the Skins performance for a week. Unfortunately, the moderately pleasant feelings will now be banished for several weeks as we proceed to go 0-9. Then for another several weeks more as we go through another excrutiating coach search in which we hire the D-Line Coach, Waterboy, Special Counsultant to the Head Coach and QB Coach before hiring the Head Coach.

ARE back on punts? Dear God what a f'ing mess this is. It's Spurrier/Norv redux where the inmates are once again running the asylum.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;620670]Dear God what a f'ing mess this is. It's Spurrier/Norv redux where the inmates are once again running the asylum.[/quote]Yep! Its a pluperfect freak show, and I don't understand how anyone can expect anyone worth a damn in football would want to come here, Snyder's checkbook notwithstanding. What exactly does this organization offer at this point in time except a circus and the ruination of reputations and careers?

Calling this an effin mess is probably too mild...

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Ladies and Gentlemen, YOUR WASHINGTON REDSKINS:

[IMG]http://thenastyboys.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/train-wreck.jpg[/IMG]

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^^ ROFL

I laughed water through my nose on that one.

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[quote=Mattyk72;620640]I think it's clear that Zorn is just not the kind of a leader a football team needs. Too much internal conflict and everyone talking to the media. There is a clear lack of discipline and that starts with the HC.[/quote]

It seems like you think the Skins are structured like a regular team with the HC in charge and his word is law, it isnt. Zorn never was in charge of the team, DS is. That's the reason for the lack of discipline & conflicts. The players know the HC isnt in charge and has no power so they know they can do what they want without repurcussions, as long as they are buddies with DS. The team will continue to be a mess as long as the HC is powerless and a select few star players only answer to the owner.

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Vinny is in charge of this team - He gives the marching orders to Zorn. I don't think DS comes up with these ideas but rather listens to Cerrato's advice and says "okay, you're in charge do what you think is best".

He's Wormtongue.

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[quote=irish;620756]It seems like you think the Skins are structured like a regular team with the HC in charge and his word is law, it isnt. Zorn never was in charge of the team, DS is. That's the reason for the lack of discipline & conflicts. The players know the HC isnt in charge and has no power so they know they can do what they want without repurcussions, as long as they are buddies with DS. The team will continue to be a mess as long as the HC is powerless and a select few star players only answer to the owner.[/quote]
You know this is true....how?

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[quote=Hog1;620766]You know this is true....how?[/quote]

Uh, by watching. Its not difficult to see. The organization has undermined Zorn's authority almost from the minute he came onboard as HC.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;620762]Vinny is in charge of this team - He gives the marching orders to Zorn. I don't think DS comes up with these ideas but rather listens to Cerrato's advice and says "okay, you're in charge do what you think is best".

He's Wormtongue.[/quote]Haha!

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[quote=irish;620769]Uh, by watching. Its not difficult to see. The organization has undermined Zorn's authority almost from the minute he came onboard as HC.[/quote]
Exactly what are you "watching" that serves as first hand knowledge of what is happening behind the scenes of this Mega-corp.
It's not hard to speculate
It's not hard to assume
It's not hard to hyperbole
Actual....good info is another matter.
I have NO problem hanging DS's ass out to dry for his product on the field. It IS his team.
Beyond that I have read nothing on this site that makes me think anybody here has first hand info of all the speculated BS going on behind the scenes.

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[quote=irish;620769]Uh, by watching. Its not difficult to see. [B] The organization has undermined Zorn's authority almost from the minute he came onboard as HC[/B].[/quote]

How? I will grant you that for this season, but how did they undermine him last season???

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[quote=irish;620756]It seems like you think the Skins are structured like a regular team with the HC in charge and his word is law, it isnt. Zorn never was in charge of the team, DS is. That's the reason for the lack of discipline & conflicts. The players know the HC isnt in charge and has no power so they know they can do what they want without repurcussions, as long as they are buddies with DS. The team will continue to be a mess as long as the HC is powerless and a select few star players only answer to the owner.[/quote]

I think that is part of it, but the other part is that Zorn let way to much time go by before he took any responsibility, publicly, for the teams performance. Blanche finally had to do it before Zorn got a clue. Constantly calling out players for "not executing" and not putting the blame on your self (like Gibbs did) wore on the players. It had to, it wore on me. If you can't criticize yourself, you shouldn't criticize your players... unless you have earned the right by consistenly winning.