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[quote=SBXVII;623364]I know I've asked and perhaps one of you answered it but are the Skins not allowed to raid other teams practice squads?

You know Andrew Crummey OL is on the Texans PS. Could we not bring him on board? or is there some expensive contract issue that keeps us from picking him up? Here's a list of some of the other teams PS OL...

Eric Young RT Rams
Trevor Canfield G Cards
Jermey Parnell T Saints
Chris Clark T Vikings
Johan Asiata G Bears
James Marten T Bears
Jaimie Thomas G Colts
Andrew Crummey OL Texans
Adam Stenavich T Texans

[B]Edit: [/B]Andrew Crummey, Johan Asiata, and Trevor Canfield interest me.[/quote]

There is nothing stopping us from raiding those players from the practice squads of other teams.

I would add that, if memory serves, Green Bay recently released Jamon Meredith and he might be worth a look.

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[quote=SBXVII;623364]I know I've asked and perhaps one of you answered it but are the Skins not allowed to raid other teams practice squads?

You know Andrew Crummey OL is on the Texans PS. Could we not bring him on board? or is there some expensive contract issue that keeps us from picking him up? Here's a list of some of the other teams PS OL...

Eric Young RT Rams
Trevor Canfield G Cards
Jermey Parnell T Saints
Chris Clark T Vikings
Johan Asiata G Bears
James Marten T Bears
Jaimie Thomas G Colts
Andrew Crummey OL Texans
Adam Stenavich T Texans

[B]Edit: [/B]Andrew Crummey, Johan Asiata, and Trevor Canfield interest me.[/quote]

I would not mind seeing Crummey back here. Hopefully with Mike Williams out, they'll bring him.

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[quote=skins89moss;622292]Big Mike Williams is stuggling at Tackle. He would be better at RG. We need to get Levi Jones at LT and Heyer back to RT. Move Mike Williams to RG. Might help a little.[/quote]

By way of injury to MW, you'll get 2/3 your wish this sunday. I'm curious and hopeful. I think this line might be the best they've put on the field since Samuels got hurt, assuming Levi can play somewhat close to his previous form.

If MW can come back & play RG in a few weeks this patchwork line might be in top form for the offseason!

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[quote=freddyg12;623452]By way of injury to MW, you'll get 2/3 your wish this sunday. I'm curious and hopeful. I think this line might be the best they've put on the field since Samuels got hurt, assuming Levi can play somewhat close to his previous form.

If MW can come back & play RG in a few weeks this patchwork line might be in top form for the offseason![/quote]

Campbell seemed more comfortable when Jones was at LT. Well he's had 3 weeks to get the system down, hopefully he will do well.

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Ok so here's what I think I know....

Heyer was limping, hurt, was it his knee or high ankle sprain?
MW will be out 2-4 games. Injury.
Rinehart re-injured whatever part of his body was injured before.

Did I miss anyone? The obvious Samuels is IR, R.Thomas is or should be IR. At this point is it worth it to keep the above three and keep nursing them possibly making their injuries worse? When we could go on a O-lineman spree and pick up a bunch of healthy young talent who I imagine would give JC maybe a second longer to get rid of the ball instead of playing injured?

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[quote=Lotus;623373]There is nothing stopping us from raiding those players from the practice squads of other teams.

I would add that, if memory serves, Green Bay recently released Jamon Meredith and he might be worth a look.[/quote]

and...I know the guys I listed may be camp scrubs which we always hear someone saying "otherwise they wouldn't be on the practice squad" but I'd almost prefer 4 or 5 young and healthy O-lineman blocking for JC at this point vs. wondering who is going to allow the jail break this time cause they are all playing injured. Wouldn't it be funny if we did pick up a bunch of young healthy guys and they found a way to bond this yr and actually blocked well.

Probably never happen but you never know.

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[quote=SBXVII;623464]and...I know the guys I listed may be camp scrubs which we always hear someone saying "otherwise they wouldn't be on the practice squad" but I'd almost prefer 4 or 5 young and healthy O-lineman blocking for JC at this point vs. wondering who is going to allow the jail break this time cause they are all playing injured. Wouldn't it be funny if we did pick up a bunch of young healthy guys and they found a way to bond this yr and actually blocked well.

Probably never happen but you never know.[/quote]

Jason Ried just made a point that the Redskins had signed Kyle DeVan as an undrafted fa and then released him when Rinehart signed his contract. He started last week for the Colts. So whose to say at practice squad guy can't contribute?

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I'm all for getting players from someone else's PS for depth, but we NEED a franchise tackle (since we lost ours). And the best way to get it will be with that first round pick.

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I agree 100% with that statement. I think we need to spend more than 1 draft pick on oline. I was more thinking of depth.

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[quote=SBXVII;623464]and...I know the guys I listed may be camp scrubs which we always hear someone saying "otherwise they wouldn't be on the practice squad" but I'd almost prefer 4 or 5 young and healthy O-lineman blocking for JC at this point vs. wondering who is going to allow the jail break this time cause they are all playing injured. Wouldn't it be funny if we did pick up a bunch of young healthy guys and they found a way to bond this yr and actually blocked well.

Probably never happen but you never know.[/quote]

I think that is not a bad idea. If we raided other practice squads for very young players, it would function as kind of a pre-draft. If a player works out then we have added a young promising lineman. If no one is good enough, what have we really lost in this dark year?

The problem is, at this point I do not trust Vinny to intelligently cull linemen from other rosters.

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Initially, I wanted to spend both the first and second round picks on offensive lineman. But now I'm thinking that we should use the top ten pick on an OT, and wait until the fourth or fifth round to add a guard or center prospect.

If we end up picking in the top three, we should consider a quarterback, but we also shouldn't Alex Smith it, and take the highest available quarterback without considering anything else.

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I miss Jansen!

Not saying I disagreed w/him being cut at the time, but his leadership is missed & he would be an upgrade over some of the guys here now. (on a side note, the Jansen cut might be viewed by DS as one more strike against zorn)

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[quote=GTripp0012;623521]Initially, I wanted to spend both the first and second round picks on offensive lineman. But now I'm thinking that we should use the top ten pick on an OT, and wait until the fourth or fifth round to add a guard or center prospect.

If we end up picking in the top three, we should consider a quarterback, but we also shouldn't Alex Smith it, and take the highest available quarterback without considering anything else.[/quote]

This, especially the Alex Smith part.

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[quote=Lotus;623373]There is nothing stopping us from raiding those players from the practice squads of other teams.

[/quote]

Correction, we have Vinny.

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[quote=SBXVII;623364]I know I've asked and perhaps one of you answered it but are the Skins not allowed to raid other teams practice squads?

You know Andrew Crummey OL is on the Texans PS. Could we not bring him on board? or is there some expensive contract issue that keeps us from picking him up? Here's a list of some of the other teams PS OL...

Eric Young RT Rams
Trevor Canfield G Cards
Jermey Parnell T Saints
Chris Clark T Vikings
Johan Asiata G Bears
James Marten T Bears
Jaimie Thomas G Colts
Andrew Crummey OL Texans
Adam Stenavich T Texans

[B]Edit: [/B]Andrew Crummey, Johan Asiata, and Trevor Canfield interest me.[/quote]
The only issue with adding from another team's practice squad, that I know of, is you guarantee his roster spot for 3 weeks. Not that that should be a deal breaker, but you do want to be sure the guy is who you want.

Absolutely think Crummey ought to be back in Burgundy and Gold.

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At this point I would spend both the first and second round on LT and RT. Give the O-line a huge boost third is tied up with Jarmin. Then I might start looking at QB or RB's to take over for our aged RB's. I would look for a viable SLB and return Orakpo to DE. Look to pick up CB's and a Safety in the later rounds. Make it well know that if your an OL we are holding open season. try them all out. pick the best and get younger and healthier faster.

Whoever comes in at GM and HC I would tell find the best WR position coach out there and bring him in to teach the WR's we have how the hell to play in the NFL. I might even spend on 1 WR FA if they are not too old and still have some gas left in them. I'd dump ARE and think long and hard about Moss.

Out of my list above maybe pick up Crummy, Asiata, and Canfield to replace R. Johnson is injured yet again. Weren't they thinking about cutting him last off season? Something about not using good technique?

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[quote=SBXVII;623639]At this point I would spend both the first and second round on LT and RT. Give the O-line a huge boost third is tied up with Jarmin. Then I might start looking at QB or RB's to take over for our aged RB's. I would look for a viable SLB and return Orakpo to DE. Look to pick up CB's and a Safety in the later rounds. Make it well know that if your an OL we are holding open season. try them all out. pick the best and get younger and healthier faster.

Whoever comes in at GM and HC I would tell find the best WR position coach out there and bring him in to teach the WR's we have how the hell to play in the NFL. I might even spend on 1 WR FA if they are not too old and still have some gas left in them. I'd dump ARE and think long and hard about Moss.

Out of my list above maybe pick up Crummy, Asiata, and Canfield to replace R. Johnson is injured yet again. Weren't they thinking about cutting him last off season? Something about not using good technique?[/quote]

By R. Johnson, do you mean Randy Thomas? Otherwise I like your assessment.

I would add trying to trade someone for picks. (Moss, Portis, or Landry).

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As much as I would wish that we would build a team around a stong OLine, I just don't see that happening with current FO. Basic football logic is to control the line of scrimmage and the rest will follow, right?.
However, with DS being the marketing "genius" and VC as his side-kick just how many lineman jerseys do they have to sell to make up for one "Romo".
My point being that profits seem to be more important than winning.
But then again I'm just a die-hard fan that will now only buy my beloved Redskin goods from yard sales and used clothing stores.

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[quote=Ruhskins;623641][B]By R. Johnson, do you mean Randy Thomas?[/B] Otherwise I like your assessment.

I would add trying to trade someone for picks. (Moss, Portis, or Landry).[/quote]

Actually....no. I'm an idiot. sorry, I meant Rinehart. Don't know how I made that typo but apparently I was off in left field. :)

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[quote=Ruhskins;623641]By R. Johnson, do you mean Randy Thomas? Otherwise I like your assessment.

[B]I would add trying to trade someone for picks. (Moss, Portis, or Landry).[/[/B]quote]

Also, about the only person in your list worth anything is Landry. Portis has been injured every yr recently, and he's not producing the yrds he used to. Moss is in the same boat. He seems to get injured every year some how and this year although healthy he can't get seperation often enough and seems to drop the ball, that is if JC is not over throwing him.

I could see whoever comes in picking up a franchise QB in the first round and picking up a LT in the second round. We might get lucky in FA and pick up some RT who is not too old and gets the job done.

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[quote=SBXVII;623680]Also, about the only person in your list worth anything is Landry. Portis has been injured every yr recently, and he's not producing the yrds he used to. Moss is in the same boat. He seems to get injured every year some how and this year although healthy he can't get seperation often enough and seems to drop the ball, that is if JC is not over throwing him.

I could see whoever comes in picking up a franchise QB in the first round and picking up a LT in the second round. We might get lucky in FA and pick up some RT who is not too old and gets the job done.[/quote]

Here are my rankings as far as needs for this team:

1. Tackle - We just lost our franchise tackle (very likely for good) and we haven't picked up an offensive lineman in the first round in a long time.

2. QB/RB - While QB is definitely a need, Portis is old in RB years and has nothing left in the tank. We need to find our next Ray Rice, Tashard Choice, or LeSean McCoy.

3. LB - We need someone at LB so Orakpo can become a full time DE.

4. Guard/Center - We need depth.

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You know, after reading remarks from Bowen and seeing results from Orakpo recently, I think that he can play OLB.

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Is there anyone who could tell me about Levi Jones. He is our new LT. He said he played hurt all last year. Was he good prior to that and what was done to repair what ever was hindering him.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;623914]Is there anyone who could tell me about Levi Jones. He is our new LT. He said he played hurt all last year. Was he good prior to that and what was done to repair what ever was hindering him.[/quote]A good comparison when he was younger and healthy would be Tra Thomas or
Kyle Turley or D'Brickashaw Ferguson. But he hasn't been able to stay on the field in three years, and I wouldn't bet on him staying healthy for 8 straight weeks.

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[quote=GTripp0012;623970]A good comparison when he was younger and healthy would be Tra Thomas or
Kyle Turley or D'Brickashaw Ferguson. But he hasn't been able to stay on the field in three years, and I wouldn't bet on him staying healthy for 8 straight weeks.[/quote]

Jones played 10 games last year, 15 in '07, just 6 in (edit) '06 (worst year) and prior to that he was basically a franchise tackle.

If healthy I think he instantly becomes the best lineman on the roster, but like you said it's pretty dicey.

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[quote=The Goat;623973]Jones played 10 games last year, 15 in '07, just 6 in '09 (worst year) and prior to that he was basically a franchise tackle.

If healthy I think he instantly becomes the best lineman on the roster, but like you said it's pretty dicey.[/quote]
Does not make sense. Some where you got confused.

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[URL="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/jason-reid/jones-takes-crash-course-for-b.html"]Redskins Insider article about Jones[/URL]. At this point though the play on the field, not the words to the reporters is what I think we all want to see.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;623985]Does not make sense. Some where you got confused.[/quote]
year team game played
2002 CIN 16
2003 CIN 16
2004 CIN 16
2005 CIN 15
2006 CIN 6
2007 CIN 15
2008 CIN 10

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;624012]year team game played
2002 CIN 16
2003 CIN 16
2004 CIN 16
2005 CIN 15
2006 CIN 6
2007 CIN 15
2008 CIN 10[/quote]
Does'nt look that bad. Hopefully, a streak of bad luck. Kind of excited to see him play. I am fantasizing that he can be our left tackle for a couple of years, so we can draft a QB.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;623985]Does not make sense. Some where you got confused.[/quote]

Thanks dude I fixed it. Six games in '06. Not sure what the injury was then but it does look like it has lingered since then.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;624112]Does'nt look that bad. Hopefully, a streak of bad luck. Kind of excited to see him play. I am fantasizing that he can be our left tackle for a couple of years, so we can draft a QB.[/quote]

No matter how well he performs I dont know that you want to trust a 30 year old injury prone LT with the starting job for the next couple of years. I think we should still take a tackle first.