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[quote=CantonLegend;623110]i was refraining from trash talking because i have a lot of respect for the redskins fans and team.....however....while im being called out as a saints fan i might as well get this off my chest

history is history and you can chant all you want about how good your redskins were in the past.....but guess what.....the past doesnt do any good this year......your boys are 2-6 and my boys are 8-0 with the best offense and best scoring defense in the league

you can tell me about the past all you want but facts are facts and your team is hopeless this season while mine is running this league like a treadmill

the combined record of your opponents is 22-43 while ours is 29-36

not only have we won more games, our opponents are better.......and the 2 teams you beat by a combined score of 5 points? have a combined record of 2-14.....2 of the worst teams in the league......but you also lost to 2 of the 1-7 teams

i can see ive worn out my welcome here and i wish the best of luck to you guys.....but you are completely lost bro.....its too bad you've already played all the bad teams except cleveland because you wont win another game this year[/quote]

Good job at proving our point, your just on here to brag. I actually like the Saints and how they are run lately. Come back when yall have won 3 superbowls, then you can start talking.

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[quote=CantonLegend;623110]i was refraining from trash talking because i have a lot of respect for the redskins fans and team.....however....while im being called out as a saints fan i might as well get this off my chest

history is history and you can chant all you want about how good your redskins were in the past.....but guess what.....the past doesnt do any good this year......your boys are 2-6 and my boys are 8-0 with the best offense and best scoring defense in the league

you can tell me about the past all you want but facts are facts and your team is hopeless this season while mine is running this league like a treadmill

the combined record of your opponents is 22-43 while ours is 29-36

not only have we won more games, our opponents are better.......and the 2 teams you beat by a combined score of 5 points? have a combined record of 2-14.....2 of the worst teams in the league......but you also lost to 2 of the 1-7 teams

i can see ive worn out my welcome here and i wish the best of luck to you guys.....but you are completely lost bro.....its too bad you've already played all the bad teams except cleveland because you wont win another game this year[/quote]

Well on behalf of Redskins nation we're so thrilled that you came to a Redskins forum to get "it" off your chest. Where next week, San Francisco forum? You know they were once good too.

While you're boasting about your great record, I would take caution and look at the Patriots undefeated season, which netted them an embarrassing lost to the New York Giants in the Super Bowl. The San Diego Chargers also come to mind, who went 13-3 a couple of seasons ago, and got punched in the mouth during the playoffs. LT hasn't been the same since.

The list is long with teams that are red hot during the season and flop during the playoffs. I happen to think the Vikings are the best team in the NFC right now, but we'll see what happens if/when you guys meet them in the playoffs. I think either team will represent well in the Super Bowl.

That being said, you're welcome to come here and share, talk trash, or whatever. Seems like fans from across the league come here to offer their condolences once in a while.

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[quote=Zerohero;623113]Good job at proving our point, your just on here to brag. I actually like the Saints and how they are run lately. Come back when yall have won 3 superbowls, then you can start talking.[/quote]

it's almost been 2 decades though, history is great and we do have the trophies in ashburn, but it sure would be nice to have one this century

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[quote=mlmdub130;623116]it's almost been 2 decades though, history is great and we do have the trophies in ashburn, but it sure would be nice to have one this century[/quote]

I agree still the point is we HAVE a history, the braggart doesn't. Even going back 8 years where we have really struggled and NO has had lot of success they have only 3 more wins not counting this year.

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[quote=Zerohero;623121]I agree still the point is we HAVE a history, the braggart doesn't. Even going back 8 years where we have really struggled and NO has had lot of success they have only 3 more wins not counting this year.[/quote]

true i'm just tired of sucking now is all

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[quote=12thMan;623115]Well on behalf of Redskins nation we're so thrilled that you came to a Redskins forum to get "it" off your chest. Where next week, San Francisco forum? You know they were once good too.[/quote]

check again....ive been here since april.....i dont need to pick on the down and out because my team has been there before....i came here to offer support but you guys have your heads so far up your butts to see that

[quote]While you're boasting about your great record, I would take caution and look at the Patriots undefeated season, which netted them an embarrassing lost to the New York Giants in the Super Bowl. The San Diego Chargers also come to mind, who went 13-3 a couple of seasons ago, and got punched in the mouth during the playoffs. LT hasn't been the same since. The list is long with teams that are red hot during the season and flop during the playoffs. I happen to think the Vikings are the best team in the NFC right now, but we'll see what happens if/when you guys meet them in the playoffs. I think either team will represent well in the Super Bowl. [/quote]

like i said before.....i didnt come here to trash talk and brag about my team...i came here to talk about the redskins.....i talk about my saints enough on my own forums and its nice to step away from those sites every once in awhile and check out some other sites from around the league

but while your worried about trying to knock me down, remember that what is in the past is in the past for a reason....this is a new year and for all the great teams that you can name that didnt end up getting to the super bowl, i can name twice or 3 times as many that did go to the super bowl....and came out on top......sure records dont mean much once you get into the playoffs....but they do mean something....especially when homefield advantage comes into play.....playing at home througout the playoffs is a huge advantage especially when you play in a dome

we are building our case to have homefield advantage this year.....while you guys are building your case to have the first pick in the draft

i came here as a football fan that enjoys watching the saints.....i came here to talk football....not to talk about my saints

sure i dont know everything about the redskins but i know enough to carry on a conversation.....i know enough football to offer suggestions and comments on whatever you guys are talking about

you all are getting defensive because you think i came here to talk down to you.....if you guys can prove me wrong i welcome the idea.....but so far, at least in this thread, i havent seen much of an argument for why portis shouldnt play here

i dont get to see the redskins all the time and i dont care much to....but stats are a great and very effective way to judge how a player plays and how well they stack up against other players from around the league.....from a statistical standpoint, portis is an elite back and there arent many reasons to rip him right now other than the team is losing

the running game is almost always a result of how well the offensive line is playing.....the redskins offensive line is pretty terrible and yet, portis still manages to pull off 1400 yard seasons......that credit should go somewhere


[quote=Zerohero;623113]Good job at proving our point, your just on here to brag. I actually like the Saints and how they are run lately. Come back when yall have won 3 superbowls, then you can start talking.[/quote]
[quote=Zerohero;623121]I agree still the point is we HAVE a history, the braggart doesn't. Even going back 8 years where we have really struggled and NO has had lot of success they have only 3 more wins not counting this year.[/quote]

the braggart doesnt give 2 sh*ts about how many wins either team has in the past.....but for the record.....why didnt you count the wins and losses this season? because your post would look significantly different?

over the past 4 seasons(under sean payton) we have made the NFC championship game, won our 2nd playoff game in franchise history......consistantly had the #1 offense in the league.....led the league in turnovers on defense and defensive TDs.....led the league in points per game, passing offense, total offense, and win percentage......our QB has the most passing yardage and TDs over the past 4 seasons of any QB in the league.....our QB has the 2nd most passing yards in a single season......our QB has also been sacked the least amount of times over the past 4 seasons than any QB....and considering we pass more than anybody(not this year tho) that sack stat is astounding

so while you guys have a rich history over a longer period of time.....our time is now.....i dont care whether you credit us or not but eventually reality will set in and you'll understand why im so proud of my team after all these years

on another note......sorry for taking up the entire page to post a rebuttle

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[quote=CantonLegend;623145]check again....ive been here since april.....i dont need to pick on the down and out because my team has been there before....i came here to offer support but you guys have your heads so far up your butts to see that



like i said before.....i didnt come here to trash talk and brag about my team...i came here to talk about the redskins.....i talk about my saints enough on my own forums and its nice to step away from those sites every once in awhile and check out some other sites from around the league

but while your worried about trying to knock me down, remember that what is in the past is in the past for a reason....this is a new year and for all the great teams that you can name that didnt end up getting to the super bowl, i can name twice or 3 times as many that did go to the super bowl....and came out on top......sure records dont mean much once you get into the playoffs....but they do mean something....especially when homefield advantage comes into play.....playing at home througout the playoffs is a huge advantage especially when you play in a dome

we are building our case to have homefield advantage this year.....while you guys are building your case to have the first pick in the draft

i came here as a football fan that enjoys watching the saints.....i came here to talk football....not to talk about my saints

sure i dont know everything about the redskins but i know enough to carry on a conversation.....i know enough football to offer suggestions and comments on whatever you guys are talking about

you all are getting defensive because you think i came here to talk down to you.....if you guys can prove me wrong i welcome the idea.....but so far, at least in this thread, i havent seen much of an argument for why portis shouldnt play here

i dont get to see the redskins all the time and i dont care much to....but stats are a great and very effective way to judge how a player plays and how well they stack up against other players from around the league.....from a statistical standpoint, portis is an elite back and there arent many reasons to rip him right now other than the team is losing

the running game is almost always a result of how well the offensive line is playing.....the redskins offensive line is pretty terrible and yet, portis still manages to pull off 1400 yard seasons......that credit should go somewhere





the braggart doesnt give 2 sh*ts about how many wins either team has in the past.....but for the record.....why didnt you count the wins and losses this season? because your post would look significantly different?

over the past 4 seasons(under sean payton) we have made the NFC championship game, won our 2nd playoff game in franchise history......consistantly had the #1 offense in the league.....led the league in turnovers on defense and defensive TDs.....led the league in points per game, passing offense, total offense, and win percentage......our QB has the most passing yardage and TDs over the past 4 seasons of any QB in the league.....our QB has the 2nd most passing yards in a single season......our QB has also been sacked the least amount of times over the past 4 seasons than any QB....and considering we pass more than anybody(not this year tho) that sack stat is astounding

so while you guys have a rich history over a longer period of time.....our time is now.....i dont care whether you credit us or not but eventually reality will set in and you'll understand why im so proud of my team after all these years

on another note......sorry for taking up the entire page to post a rebuttle[/quote]

Easy fella, I like my head up my butt.

What's your take on Reggie Bush, by the way?

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[quote=12thMan;623146]Easy fella, I like my head up my butt.

What's your take on Reggie Bush, by the way?[/quote]

in short.....hes a great home run hitter....and a great fumbler and great dancer(in the backfield).....great route runner with great hands......great paycheck with great chance of not being back next year

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[quote=Skinny Tee;622306]We're too financially vested in him to do either of those. The only we can hope for is that the CBA doesn't get signed and we go into an uncapped year where we can release players with no ill effect.

I don't think this is a complete reflection on Portis's ability. From the looks of it we made adjustments at half and didn't give up on the run. Atlanta seemed prepared for some pass heavy offense so we could get back into the game.

We did manage to run better in the 2nd half though. I can't completely put that on Portis given the circumstances.[/quote]


Portis has had enough and just doesn't care. He has the Barry Saunders' Syndrome. Guy has been one of the few t rue ballers out there for years, and now he has had enough. Seriously now, I think the guy has already thrown in the towel. Can you blame him?

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CP can still ball, he just doesn't have a line in front of him. He's lost a step but can still be productive. My problem w/ him is he never practices, he talks bad about his teammates, isn't the hardest worker around and he's too close w/ the owner. To me he seems like too much of a diva to keep around. The offense needs some leadership not divas. He needs to go next year IMO.

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While I dread another Trung Candidate/Chad Morton situation at RB, the fact of the matter is that Portis is done here. He'll have a Jamal Lewis flash in the pan somewhere else, mainly because he'll finally get motivated after being cut, but that will be his last 1,000 yard season.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;623174]Portis has had enough and just doesn't care. He has the Barry Saunders' Syndrome. Guy has been one of the few t rue ballers out there for years, and now he has had enough. Seriously now, I think the guy has already thrown in the towel. Can you blame him?[/quote]

Yes, I can blame him. He's highly overpaid & doesn't perform all the tasks required of him, i.e. practice. I know he's been banged up over the years, but I don't buy all of it about him being that hurt during every week (this week's an exception, he def. shouldn't play).

But the main problem is he's no longer good enough to get away w/his selfish ways. He misses holes, even if there only there for 2 yard gains, he stumbles over his & the line's feet. He just doesn't look much like a starting nfl rb this year. I wasn't surprised that Betts came in & looked sharper. I know he got better blocking but he looks much more explosive & decisive than CP.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;624109]While I dread another Trung Candidate/Chad Morton situation at RB, the fact of the matter is that Portis is done here. He'll have a Jamal Lewis flash in the pan somewhere else, mainly because he'll finally get motivated after being cut, but that will be his last 1,000 yard season.[/quote]

He'll have to practice if he goes somewhere else too.

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[quote=freddyg12;624113]He'll have to practice if he goes somewhere else too.[/quote]

Lol, had to do it.
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[quote=freddyg12;624113]He'll have to practice if he goes somewhere else too.[/quote]

Thats exactly why he will be out of football if/when he leaves the team. Any other team is going to require that he practices, and that will be why he will stay unsigned. His attitude, work ethic, and salary demands, will overshadow his natural ability (or at least his former natural ability).

That's why it's too hard to see where Portis is really at right now. All indications say that he is done, like Shaun Alexander, but with our team in shambles, it's hard to tell.

I do know the other backs looked much better than portis. Hit the line harder, more burst, more speed.....

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Did anyone notice in that article about Betts in today's wash post ([url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/12/AR2009111210638.htmlthat[/url] ) that S. Smith takes a veiled jab at Portis about his practice habits. Smith spoke this way when S. Lewis was brought in, he didn't directly say it but strongly implied his opinion.

Zorn last year made a comment about Portis not practicing of course. I wonder if essentially he & Smith are happy that Betts will be starting?

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[quote=freddyg12;624479]Did anyone notice in that article about Betts in today's wash post ([url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/12/AR2009111210638.htmlthat[/url] ) that S. Smith takes a veiled jab at Portis about his practice habits. Smith spoke this way when S. Lewis was brought in, he didn't directly say it but strongly implied his opinion.

Zorn last year made a comment about Portis not practicing of course. I wonder if essentially he & Smith are happy that Betts will be starting?[/quote]

The coaching staff is probably more vocal about it because they have nothing to lose at this point.

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[quote=SOUL-SKINS;622045]I dunno know guys but with Portis out the offense looked alot better.
Portis slows our offense down it seems. What do u guys think?[/quote]

+1

I think the effectiveness of the running game sans Portis backs you up OP.

I agreed with you before but there wasn't any way to quantify the effect.
But the Falcons game was the clincher for me, the OL play was spotty Monty was getting pushed back all game.
But Betts and Rock were running hard and were able to get all the yards that were out there.
Portis hasn't been healthy all year and i think he's hasn't been running hard and he's been leaving some hard yards on the field.

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See what Betts is able to do this week. It will tell a lot

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[quote=30gut;624818]+1

I think the effectiveness of the running game sans Portis backs you up OP.

I agreed with you before but there wasn't any way to quantify the effect.
But the Falcons game was the clincher for me, the OL play was spotty Monty was getting pushed back all game.
But Betts and Rock were running hard and were able to get all the yards that were out there.
Portis hasn't been healthy all year and i think he's hasn't been running hard and he's been leaving some hard yards on the field.[/quote]

it was 24 to 3 at half time......the falcons almost never had to play in their base defense because they knew you guys would have to pass to get back in the game.....they were willing to give up meaningless yardage to a backup running back because they knew it had no effect on the game

running against nickel defenses is a lot easier than running against the base 4-3 that the falcons bring heavy pressure on

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Dirtbag359,
That clip reminds me of the Jim Mora clip...

"Practice?...." lol

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Speaking of Betts starting, whats his injury status as of now?

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[quote=Zerohero;624830]Speaking of Betts starting, whats his injury status as of now?[/quote]

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/jason-reid/betts-limited-by-foot-injury-b.html]Redskins Insider - Betts limited by foot injury but expects to play[/url]

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Hope he get's better fast as 75% is not very good.

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THIS does seem to add fuel to the fire?

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Well after today..I guess I'll take 75% over an injured Portis right now.
A win is a win and Betts and company have earned their chance to play.
Let CP sit until he is 100% then we see. IMO he's never played well when he's
injured.
And that no practice thing has always struck me as counter-team anyway.

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[quote=Zerohero;624830]Speaking of Betts starting, whats his injury status as of now?[/quote]

CAR YDS AVG TD LG
[URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=3584"]L. Betts[/URL] 26 114 4.4 1 18
[URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=3761"]R. Cartwright [/URL]9 41 4.6 0 17

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Betts looked fantastic today. That's two games in a row, and honestly very few of the games that Betts has started in his career has he ever looked bad. Has to be more than coincidence.

BUT there was a new combination on the O-line, who did well. Levi Jones at LT may have improved the chemistry (some of those holes looked huge!) As well, Denver hasn't been playing well against the run.

I say Portis gets back in there next week, but I wouldn't mind giving Betts additional carries.

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I say make Portis #2 next game (if he can play), but the chances of that are slim to none due to Portis and Snyder's relationship :doh:

Speaking of the line, I think Jones and Rinehart both helped the line..

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I thought that Ganther looked reasonably good against Denver and I hope that he gets more playing time.

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Check out the article posted in the WP. You get the impression that Sherm Lewis would rather keep Betts in?

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/12/AR2009111210638.html?sub=AR]washingtonpost.com[/url]

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I say you still give Portis a chance, but one

either he figures out how to hit the holes and extend the runs.. or Betts is the feature

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Well after watching Betts, Rock and Ganther take reps, I wouldn't be sad to see Portis go...

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[quote=DynamiteRave;625764]Well after watching Betts, Rock and Ganther take reps, I wouldn't be sad to see Portis go...[/quote]
Well to be fair the line also gave JC time to complete some passes. Two of his sacks where on JC and not the line.

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I still think that it is some part Portis though. He had some holes this year and he doesn't attack the line of scrimage anymore. He is uninspired. Where as today we got see a few guys on our team attack the line of scrimmage. Betts did an excellent job of finding and hitting holes hard. He didn't always go down on first contact and the same goes for Rock he has ran the ball very well and HARD when he gets his chances.

Maybe he gets a couple of weeks off and watches other RBs run hard he will want to come out and try to show them up which could be a very good thing. OR just getting Portis into the rotation and have more of a runnig back by commitee scheme.

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[quote=CantonLegend;624820]it was 24 to 3 at half time......the falcons almost never had to play in their base defense because they knew you guys would have to pass to get back in the game.....they were willing to give up meaningless yardage to a backup running back because they knew it had no effect on the game

running against nickel defenses is a lot easier than running against the base 4-3 that the falcons bring heavy pressure on[/quote]

Betts and Cartwright were running hard that is undeniable if you watched the game.

Now, wether or not the Falcon we're playing nickel after half time doesn't change how hard the Betts and Rock were running.

And i have the game recorded and would have to go back and watch, but i don't recall the Falcons playing nickel gainst our base defensive personnel so i don't know where you're getting that from.

BTW-Did you see how hard Betts and Rock ran against the Broncos?
Were they in nickel also?:)

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[quote=firstdown;625768]Well to be fair the line also gave JC time to complete some passes. Two of his sacks where on JC and not the line.[/quote]It's sad we've reached a point where the pass pro JC received today is considered to be part of the solution, but actually, I agree with the sentiment. He was protected well enough to have performed better than he did today.

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[quote=30gut;625851]Betts and Cartwright were running hard that is undeniable if you watched the game.

Now, wether or not the Falcon we're playing nickel after half time doesn't change how hard the Betts and Rock were running.

And i have the game recorded and would have to go back and watch, but i don't recall the Falcons playing nickel gainst our base defensive personnel so i don't know where you're getting that from.

BTW-Did you see how hard Betts and Rock ran against the Broncos?
Were they in nickel also?:)[/quote]

lol i picked betts up for my fantasy team this week

fwiw.....this says nothing about what clinton portis would have done against the broncos.....they are being exposed.....teams are running all over the broncos and for a team that is a running team, this shouldnt be a surprise that the broncos defense collapsed under the running game

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Portis better not see the field the rest of the year. He is our 3rd best RB at this point.

Betts and Cartwright are WAY WAY WAY better.

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Betts has proven over and over again things to this team. Yesterday was just one more thing. I dont see why people can't realize that he is better than Portis at this point. He's just never had the opportunity.

CP should not play again this year. 3-6 means you can play other players and RB is definatley one position that needs change. Yesterday proved that we can win without Portis. Betts ran for 114 yards on his first start. And Portis ran for 100 yard just ONCE in 8 games....that tells you alot, or it should.