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[quote=SmootSmack;629245]Landry did play very well for the most part today though.[/quote]
Yeah this was one of his better games this season.

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[quote=SmootSmack;629241]I'm getting tired of Moss and El doing it too. I could have sworn I saw El jumping up and down after another fair catch[/quote]

He was celebrating the fact that the ball didn't hit him in the facemask.

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thought i'd put this post in here too


Quote:
Originally Posted by skinsfaninok
Here's another reason y Dallas isn't for real lmao..LaRon Landry calls Roy Williams scared | ProFootballTalk.com.

this is the same bs that laron has been doing all year, he has a decent game and goes and runs his f-ing mouth. williams has always had shaky hands and had cracked ribs a few weeks back. laron needs to keep his damn mouth shut and play football. if he gets a int or a sack then he can do his bs arm crossed i'm the shit stance, but after making a play he should make in the first place walk your sorry ass back to the huddle, and stop acting like a punk ass, cause you are just gonna cost us another penalty for taunting jackass

sorry, i got going and couldn't stop, but he has been pissing me off for a while, ever since jacob trucked him he hasn't been the same

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/11/23/laron-landry-calls-roy-williams-scared/]LaRon Landry calls Roy Williams scared | ProFootballTalk.com[/url]

heres the link

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I thought before yesterday's game, Landry was the weak link in the secondary. Now I am thinking differently - I think Rogers is the weak link. There wasn't any big gains that was given up against the secondary on any one play yesterday. I think mainly because Rogers wasn't out there a majority of the game.

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Kareem Moore needs to step up as a FS then Landry can play SS. Horton, Landry, and Doughty all seem to be better fits at SS, in my opinion. We don't have a natural free safety. Moore could be that guy

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I've given up on Landry. It looks to me like his brother should give him some advice, unless Landry is trying to get traded to another team.

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[quote=SmootSmack;629851]Kareem Moore needs to step up as a FS then Landry can play SS. Horton, Landry, and Doughty all seem to be better fits at SS, in my opinion. We don't have a natural free safety. Moore could be that guy[/quote]

Alot of people have been saying this for some time now. Don't you think that Blache can see the value of playing Laron closer to the line of scrimmage?

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[quote=WaldSkins;629856]Alot of people have been saying this for some time now. [B] Don't you think that Blache can see the value of playing Laron closer to the line of scrimmage[/B]?[/quote]

You would think so. Most of us do. I thought they had talked about how well Moore was playing before the season started and we might see it this year.

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[quote=Meks;622629]thank you MATTY..

to GOAT. ur WAY, over-reacting bro.

take it Easy on him, there are MUCH worse safties in the league.

bust = no way.

get him back to his natural position next year PLEASE.

and u'll all love Laron again.

piss poor attempt at tackling turner angers anyone, it's a mistake, lets hope he corrects it.

that is all.[/quote]

I agree with you on this one. Way too early to know if he is a bust. If you looked at Sean Taylor from the 06 season, even though he made the Pro Bowl as an alternate he and the secondary were being beat regularly in the deep half of the field. Was Sean Taylor a bust? No, he came back the next year and he was able to get some help because we got rid of Archuletta and drafted Landry. Horton had looked bad at times this year. I felt like he had actually regressed. In addition , I feel like Doughty has played a lot better this year. He has really improved from where he was in 07.

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Can someone teach LL the fundamentals of tackling?? I swear if I see him bounce off a guy one more time trying for the knockout shot...

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not only did he bounce off, he got knocked to the ground whereas Jason Avante just shrugged it off. WTF Landry

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I'm so done with this non tackling showboating loser.

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Maybe they should put together a "lowlight" film of him bouncing off people and show it to him so he can see how ridiculous he looks.

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[quote=skinsfan69;632279]I'm so done with this non tackling showboating loser.[/quote]

Yup!

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[quote=Mattyk72;632263]Can someone teach LL the fundamentals of tackling?? I swear if I see him bounce off a guy one more time trying for the knockout shot...[/quote]There's a reason that Landry keeps missing tackles by going for kill shots - the defensive coaches tolerate it. Obviously, nobody has threatened his playing time. I am so done with Landry taking crappy angles, then the few times that he's is in position to make a play, he leaves his feet, and glances off the ball carrier, who gains 20 more yards after Landry's whiff. This guy has become a joke as a safety drafted in the Top Ten overall.

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[quote=SouperMeister;632338]There's a reason that Landry keeps missing tackles by going for kill shots - [B]the defensive coaches tolerate it[/B]. Obviously, nobody has threatened his playing time. I am so done with Landry taking crappy angles, then the few times that he's is in position to make a play, he leaves his feet, and glances off the ball carrier, who gains 20 more yards after Landry's whiff. This guy has become a joke as a safety drafted in the Top Ten overall.[/quote]

Ahhh Yeah. . . . Now someone finally gets to the heart of the matter.

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If I were the coach of the defense Landry wouldn't even be starting. He's such a disappointment, as everyone else has said. Maybe we can trade and get an offensive lineman for Landry.

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[quote=SouperMeister;632338]There's a reason that Landry keeps missing tackles by going for kill shots - the defensive coaches tolerate it. [B]Obviously, nobody has threatened his playing time.[/B] I am so done with Landry taking crappy angles, then the few times that he's is in position to make a play, he leaves his feet, and glances off the ball carrier, who gains 20 more yards after Landry's whiff. This guy has become a joke as a safety drafted in the Top Ten overall.[/quote]

That seems to be a team-wide problem.

I hope our next coach is a hard-butt who says that each player must earn their role and means it.

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[quote=SouperMeister;632338]There's a reason that Landry keeps missing tackles by going for kill shots - the defensive coaches tolerate it. Obviously, nobody has threatened his playing time. I am so done with Landry taking crappy angles, then the few times that he's is in position to make a play, he leaves his feet, and glances off the ball carrier, who gains 20 more yards after Landry's whiff. This guy has become a joke as a safety drafted in the Top Ten overall.[/quote]Landry is on the Hall standard.

Although, I think us fans seriously underrate his contribution to this defense because he's only on the T.V. feed when he's screwing up. Back in the first half of the season when Landry played 30 yards off the LOS, he was a sideline to sideline threat, who could be manipulated by the eyes of the quarterback, but had to be accounted for on every deep pass. His impact on the game never showed up on tape when that was the case.

What Landry needs is a complementary safety who is the complete package, knows how to play zone coverage (unlike Doughty, who can only play man), and can play the free safety in certain packages.

Someone like unrestricted free-agent-to-be...Ryan Clark. (Or Darren Sharper, if Grilliams lets him walk for big bucks)

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Landry is so far down the list of concerns it is comical. He played like an all pro in the Dallas game.

I know he is inconsistent but the gap between him and all of the other safeties on our team is bigger than Strahan's teeth.

Need I remind everyone that he is a key component to one of the top secondaries in football.

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[quote=GTripp0012;632381][B]Landry is on the Hall standard[/B].

Although, I think us fans seriously underrate his contribution to this defense because he's only on the T.V. feed when he's screwing up. Back in the first half of the season when Landry played 30 yards off the LOS, he was a sideline to sideline threat, who could be manipulated by the eyes of the quarterback, but had to be accounted for on every deep pass. His impact on the game never showed up on tape when that was the case.

What Landry needs is a complementary safety who is the complete package, knows how to play zone coverage (unlike Doughty, who can only play man), and can play the free safety in certain packages.

Someone like unrestricted free-agent-to-be...Ryan Clark. (Or Darren Sharper, if Grilliams lets him walk for big bucks)[/quote]
gtripp, let me start by saying i really value your opinion. your knowledge is first rate, and usually spot on. but your pure hatred for Hall is starting to cloud your opinions. let it go. we get it, already. if you were calling the shots for the skins, Hall wouldn't be here. but enough already

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[quote=dmek25;632413]gtripp, let me start by saying i really value your opinion. your knowledge is first rate, and usually spot on. but your pure hatred for Hall is starting to cloud your opinions. let it go. we get it, already. if you were calling the shots for the skins, Hall wouldn't be here. but enough already[/quote]


This is a good point too. Hall is our best corner now. Rogers has regressed and Hall's play has improved.

Hall is not anywhere close to the top of our problems, either.

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regardless of his cover abilities, he MAKES PLAYS. isn't this what the league is all about?

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[quote=dmek25;632428]regardless of his cover abilities, he MAKES PLAYS. isn't this what the league is all about?[/quote]


I love how people want to dismantle the one part of our team that we excel at.

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[quote=dmek25;632428]regardless of his cover abilities, he MAKES PLAYS. isn't this what the league is all about?[/quote]

Maybe I am wrong but I don't recall seeing Hall get toasted like Smoot and Rogers have repeatedly recently. Usually Hall is in the picture when his guy catches it and if Hall is in the picture there is always a chance he comes down with it.

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even if landry's contributions "are not easily viewed on tv", he still needs to tackle. thats all i ask, tackle people when you get close to them. thats it. he is playing like garbage and needs to wake up.

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To his credit he did have a nice pass defense and he did a great job on that goal line play.

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[quote=Mattyk72;632263]Can someone teach LL the fundamentals of tackling?? I swear if I see him bounce off a guy one more time trying for the knockout shot...[/quote]
exactly.. at least superman and put your arms out so that you can jerk him down while you go sailing if the hit doesn't do it on its own

bad angles and too many knockout attempts.. he thinks he's king shit every time he's the 2nd guy in on a tackle already being made.. after a 1st down yesterday he was still in the face of the guy for a few seconds before getting up

I think that it's been well demonstrated that he has a bad attitude between that, not showing up for public performances, saying stupid shit like roy williams was scared after the dallas game that we lost, etc

I know that they said they wanted Landry to be more of a big play guy this year but maybe they should pull back from that... the kid obviously needs to be coached up some more, I feel like they're just saying oh he's Landry he's fine

[quote]
With 11 minutes, 30 seconds remaining in the fourth quarter and the Redskins holding an eight-point lead, Philadelphia Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb connected with wide receiver Jason Avant over the middle. Landry lined Avant up for a big hit, but the Eagles' receiver bounced off and sprinted down the field for a 46-yard gain that moved the Eagles to the Redskins' 44-yard line.

"He made a great catch," Landry said. "I bounced off. You seen it like I saw it. He just made a great play."

The play helped spark the Eagles' game-tying drive, but when asked if he wished he had done something differently Landry was noncommittal.

"I mean, I was just trying to make a play," Landry said. "[B]It wasn't my responsibility.[/B] I was just at the right place at the right time when he made the catch."[/quote]

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/landrys-hit-or-miss-season.html]Redskins Insider - Landry's hit-or-miss season[/url]

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I'm still not sold on Kareem Moore either (while we're talking safeties). He looks out of place on the field.

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[quote=dmek25;632413]gtripp, let me start by saying i really value your opinion. your knowledge is first rate, and usually spot on. but your pure hatred for Hall is starting to cloud your opinions. let it go. we get it, already. if you were calling the shots for the skins, Hall wouldn't be here. but enough already[/quote]Let's be clear here: The "standard" I reference is Blache's. It's could be called the "Landry standard" for all I care. Has nothing to do with Hall. It's defined as the standard given to players who Blache views as an integral part of our future, and how they don't have to worry about getting examples made out of them. They basically play by a different set of rules than players like Horton and Rogers, who are on a different "show me" standard for their play.

The ironic part is that Blache's opinion of our future has no relevance, and he should be treating all players the same, because that's what's actually in the best interest of this franchise.

It's not wrong to be critical of those who are unfairly critical of players on the Redskins (I do this with people who are unfairly critical of the QB all the time), but I doubt you can find even one instance where I have been overtly unfair to either Hall or Landry. You can go look it up, but you won't find it.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;632433]I love how people want to dismantle the one part of our team that we excel at.[/quote]With Tryon's INT, we now have 7 of them forced in 11 games, which is tied for 27th in the league.

Hall accounts for more than half of those, but I guess we still have difference definitions of excellence.

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"unfairly critical" is such a subjective term

Personally, I'm glad we have someone in our secondary that gets turnovers

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[quote=SmootSmack;632535]"unfairly critical" is such a subjective term[/quote]Zing.

[quote=SmootSmack]Personally, I'm glad we have someone in our secondary that gets turnovers[/quote]As am I. Is it really all that hard to find someone who will do this though? I mean, we're paying Hall close to $8 million/year. If we decided to make our 4th round pick next year someone who could pair with Barnes and Tryon who had great ball skills and simple adequacy in coverage, someone on par with, say: Dominique Rogers-Cromartie, could that not be done? I think that kind of player is freely available.

I've come to realize I was wrong about Asante Samuel in the offseason, a lot of his interceptions are of the Ed Reed style--he makes plays when plays aren't necessarily there to be made, and I underestimated his coverage numbers. Hall, though, is exactly who he's been his entire career. I don't think he needs to be ripped for being that player, but he's not aggressive and doesn't ever challenge receivers. It's in no way unfair to make that observation.

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[QUOTE=Pocket$ $traight;632410]Landry is so far down the list of concerns it is comical. [B]He played like an all pro in the Dallas game[/B].
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you are acting like landry now, one decent game and he is an all pro, doubtful

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[quote=Mattyk72;632448]To his credit he did have a nice pass defense and he did a great job on that goal line play.[/quote]

that was his best play this year imo, he was like a solid brick wall, i would like to see him close up gaps like that more often

best part of that play... no smug ass grin and arms crossed shaking his head afterwards

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[quote=GTripp0012;632534][B]With Tryon's INT, we now have 7 of them forced in 11 games, which is tied for 27th in the league.[/B]

Hall accounts for more than half of those, but I guess we still have difference definitions of excellence.[/quote]

:woot: We're 27th! :woot:

I thought that the argument was that Phat Al, Orakpo, etc., would force QB errors and our long-term problem with getting interceptions would be fixed?

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[quote=Lotus;632602]:woot: We're 27th! :woot:

I thought that the argument was that Phat Al, Orakpo, etc., would force QB errors and our long-term problem with getting interceptions would be fixed?[/quote]

we should have atleast half a dozen more if anyone besides hall could catch a freakin ball, tip drills anyone?

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[quote=Lotus;632602]:woot: We're 27th! :woot:

I thought that the argument was that Phat Al, Orakpo, etc., would force QB errors and our long-term problem with getting interceptions would be fixed?[/quote]We have had opportunities. Mostly, we've forced a lot more fumbles than we've recovered. But we've forced some bad passes with the pass rush, and have either dropped it (linebackers, looking at you), or just haven't been in position to make a play.

We're still trying to figure out this zone coverage thing. It seems like such a foreign concept to some of the defensive players, but we simply don't have the personnel to play man anymore.

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[quote=GTripp0012;632534]With Tryon's INT, we now have 7 of them forced in 11 games, which is tied for 27th in the league.

Hall accounts for more than half of those, but I guess we still have difference definitions of excellence.[/quote]

My bad, I guess being ranked the number one pass defense in football is meaningless.

To each his own.