Re: RI: Rogers doesn't know how long benching will last..
 

[quote=dmek25;626433]i don't believe he is worth that kind of money. but on a team that struggles to create turn overs, you take them any way you can. and Rogers cant even make the ones he is handed. and with McNabb, Hassleback, Brees, and both Manning's on your list, im not sure of your point[/quote]One way I think we could create more turnovers is using our top three or five pass rushing unit to force fumbles, but that requires an agressive man-lock, or mixed-zone scheme to take away options for the quarterback.

The interceptions Hall gets certainly help our defense, I'd say a lot more than most people realize since those aren't factored into our defensive rank, but it's not like he's a rare bird or anything. The Redskins don't have very many players that do what Hall does, but most every other team does. These players aren't really in demand either, because coaches can't do anything schematically with them, except to put them in the game and hope quarterbacks make some bad decisions out there. Coaches like to think in terms of match-ups, and you can't really scheme anything with Hall, as he does one thing very well: turn and run.

So while Hall offers something we sorely need, you're right, the bottom line is that we're paying a lot of money for a guy who doesn't have any total value from a football operations perspective. His role absolutely needs to be filled though, as you can't have a secondary full of Fred Smoots.

By comparison, I'd say Springs was more of a play-creator than Hall ever has been, but Hall's here because he can stay healthy and Springs can't.

Re: RI: Rogers doesn't know how long benching will last..
 

[quote=Pocket$ $traight;626276]

[B]If I were the Redskins going into the offseason, I would restrict him and trade him for the highest draft pick just to show him who is really calling the shots. Now typically we don't do this but I certainly wouldn't reward him with a long term deal or reward his poor play and bad behavior by cutting him outright. [/B]

For a corner who cannot catch the ball, I think he is overplaying his hand.[/quote]

This...fo sho.

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I agree that Rogers should be traded for whatever picks we can get, to build up the O-line.

He has saved opposing teams from literally dozens of interceptions because of his inability to catch the ball. He has single-handedly kept us near the bottom of the league in defensive turnovers every year. We have one of the top defenses in the NFL every season, yet always finish near the bottom in turnovers. Carlos is the reason.

If we can't trade him and have to keep him, give him a low base-salary contract with incentives for INTs...make him earn his money.

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This is really disappointing, I think Rogers is a solid CB for the most part. He just seems prone to mental lapses. It happened this time last year too, when he got benched for Hall. He's our best man cover cb, but if he continues to bite on the double moves, he might as well stay on the bench. Maybe it comes down to Hall just not being very smart, not preparing well & on top of that seeming to carry a chip on his shoulder.

I expect to see a lot of cover 2 this week. If dallas & garret are smart they'll look to pound the ball on us & make our secondary tackle. If we can stop the run in cover 2 we can win sunday.

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"I ain't even gonna think about no future here."

Huh. Well good riddance then. Seems like Carlos has always had an attitude problem, he certainly doesn't seem to care at all right now, he sounds like a punk, and he's got shoehorns for hands. Let's see what we've got in Barnes and Tryon.

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"I ain't even gonna think about no future here."

Double negative, so he's saying that he IS thinking about the future here?

He AIN'T thinking about NO FUTURE, so he is? :D

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[quote=GMScud;626671]"I ain't even gonna think about no future here."

Huh. Well good riddance then. Seems like Carlos has always had an attitude problem, he certainly doesn't seem to care at all right now, he sounds like a punk, and he's got shoehorns for hands. Good riddance. Let's see what we've got in Barnes and Tryon.[/quote]

I'm definitely in that, "Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out" group. I think he thinks a premiere CB when in reality he's just okay. Like 50/50, sometimes he'll get the job done, sometimes he'll bite on a double move and then totally give up on a play. In my mind, that's not good enough. I dunno what's worse D.Hall blowing tackles or Rogers biting on WRs and then giving up on the play. But I digress.

But watch, we'll trade Rogers away and he goes to another team and ends up like HOF material. Doesn't that shit always happen to us? :doh:

Re: RI: Rogers doesn't know how long benching will last..
 

[quote=DynamiteRave;626702]I'm definitely in that, "Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out" group. I think he thinks a premiere CB when in reality he's just okay. Like 50/50, sometimes he'll get the job done, sometimes he'll bite on a double move and then totally give up on a play. In my mind, that's not good enough. I dunno what's worse D.Hall blowing tackles or Rogers biting on WRs and then giving up on the play. But I digress.

But watch, we'll trade Rogers away and he goes to another team and ends up like HOF material. Doesn't that shit always happen to us? :doh:[/quote]

Honestly I don't care, this dude has a piss poor attitude. Shit, I'll take D. Hall over Rogers at anytime right now...at least Hall gets picks, I know that's not everything that a CB should do, but Rogers isn't showing anything. I just hope we have a better FO that will find a way to get compensation for him.

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he's a bum, when we picked him with the 9th pick I wanted to cry, we need to stay away from Auburn players (see JC) ...lol

Re: RI: Rogers doesn't know how long benching will last..
 

[quote=DynamiteRave;626702]I'm definitely in that, "Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out" group. I think he thinks a premiere CB when in reality he's just okay. Like 50/50, sometimes he'll get the job done, sometimes he'll bite on a double move and then totally give up on a play. In my mind, that's not good enough. I dunno what's worse D.Hall blowing tackles or Rogers biting on WRs and then giving up on the play. But I digress.

But watch, we'll trade Rogers away and he goes to another team and ends up like HOF material. Doesn't that shit always happen to us? :doh:[/quote]

I think the reason he's 50/50 and not the premier player he should be is all in his mind. He thinks he's made it so he doesnt put his head down and go to work. He seems to be the type of guy that doesnt want to admit he's got work to do when it's not going good, and he would rather just blame someone else or the circumstances.

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i like rogers. i liked when we picked him in the draft, i liked how we got to see him progress compared to his draft buddies of pacman and rolle. i liked how he came back last year and really seemed to play well after the injury. i remember he shut down quite a few top tier recievers without alot of help last year.

i thought he's benching last year was alil puzzling. i didnt like his atitude after the benching last year. this year hes play hasnt really stood out. i dont like his attitude or comments now.

no proof, but i really do think their is a group of players wanting out of dc. springs was one of them, i think moss and some others as well. i'm going to add rogers to the list of players not wanting to be a skin.

i just hope orakpo stays close to fletcher and some of the other professionals on our team and that group of wanna-be-dissenters dont get into his head with this idea that we are a continually losing franchise with no hope.

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Im guessing the staff wants a guy that wants to be there rather than a guy thats good and just gives up big plays when things look bad! Can you blame them? Rodgers should of been benched....and especially with that attitude I ain't thinkin bout no future here (so you've already quit!?!? what kinda weak ass stuff is that?)

To add to that remember the season when Portis missed practice or whatever and Gibbs didn't give a damn a man who didn't practice doesn't play on his team and Gibbs benched him? Thats the attitude that needs to be brought about Portis, Betts is busting his ass he knows the playbook he executes debate over that over.

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[quote=over the mountain;626786]i just hope orakpo stays close to fletcher and some of the other professionals on our team and that group of wanna-be-dissenters dont get into his head with this idea that we are a continually losing franchise with no hope.[/quote]

From what I have read on Orakpo's comments and what reporters explained what Orakpo said, it does not sound as if Orakpo will be one of those headcases.. It appears as if our d-line men is close to each other; I mean, even Orakpo was joking about how Carter and other players (d-line) re "getting there", as in getting old and they have had to work out harder.. So that is good sign..

Speaking of Rogers: [url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/jason-reid/rogers-says-he-doesnt-expect-t.html]Redskins Insider - Rogers says he doesn't expect to be on bench[/url]

Re: RI: Rogers doesn't know how long benching will last..
 

I look forward to the time when he's long gone and we can say, "Carlos who?" I hope that whatever team he's on next year, whoever our QB is throws at him all day if/when we play against him.

Re: RI: Rogers doesn't know how long benching will last..
 

[quote=GridIron26;627313]From what I have read on Orakpo's comments and what reporters explained what Orakpo said, it does not sound as if Orakpo will be one of those headcases.. It appears as if our d-line men is close to each other; I mean, even Orakpo was joking about how Carter and other players (d-line) re "getting there", as in getting old and they have had to work out harder.. So that is good sign..

Speaking of Rogers: [url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/jason-reid/rogers-says-he-doesnt-expect-t.html]Redskins Insider - Rogers says he doesn't expect to be on bench[/url][/quote]

Interesting. Here he says he doesn't expect to be strictly on the bench

[url=http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Rogers_Addresses_His_Status_After_Benching_79358.jsp]Rogers Addresses His Status After Benching[/url]

Re: RI: Rogers doesn't know how long benching will last..
 

He also says he was advised by Grey to give even MORE cushion to prevent future "mistakes." Yeah. Thats exactly what we need.

Re: RI: Rogers doesn't know how long benching will last..
 

[quote=SmootSmack;627321]Interesting. Here he says he doesn't expect to be strictly on the bench

[URL="http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Rogers_Addresses_His_Status_After_Benching_79358.jsp"]Rogers Addresses His Status After Benching[/URL][/quote]

Well, either way, I guess we all can expect to see less of Rogers on field for rest of season.. But of course, I'm pretty sure this all depends on how Smoot and Tryon (and maybe Holmes?) performs on field.. If they do not play well, then perhaps Blache will have no choice but to put Rogers back in starting line up once again.. I can't help but continue to wonder what the hell is going on with Kevin Barnes? Barnes is not even one of the options for possible replacement for Rogers?

This brings up other vital question; we pretty much can expect for Rogers and Redskins to apart after this season, how are we going to replace him? Especially with Smoot gone, as well? Supposed Barnes and Tryon hasn't panned out as we had hope.. I just looked at JLC's free agent list and free agency pool for CB doesn't look good.. There is only one CB that is starter material and that is Dunta Robinson from Houston; however I'm pretty sure Houston will tag him with RFA.. We would only add burden on our FO to search for replacement for CB.. Leigh Bodden and Ken Lucas are other possibilities, however Bodden is more likely to resign with Patriots.. Panthers released Lucas for a reason..

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It's probably hard to imagine right now what with him basically being inactive every week...but I think Barnes is starting opposite Hall next year and Tryon is the nickel back. Possible though Smoot stays one more year and Tryon is the dime back.

Either way Barnes and Hall starting next year

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[quote=SmootSmack;627356]It's probably hard to imagine right now what with him basically being inactive every week...but I think Barnes is starting opposite Hall next year and Tryon is the nickel back. Possible though Smoot stays one more year and Tryon is the dime back.

Either way Barnes and Hall starting next year[/quote]

Well, yea just like you said, it's hard to imagine it due to inactive status.. But this is something I would like to see, along with good outcomes..

Re: RI: Rogers doesn't know how long benching will last..
 

[quote=SmootSmack;627356]It's probably hard to imagine right now what with him basically being inactive every week...but I think Barnes is starting opposite Hall next year and Tryon is the nickel back. Possible though Smoot stays one more year and Tryon is the dime back.

Either way Barnes and Hall starting next year[/quote]

how can you say that with Barnes not even getting into games this deep into the season.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;627369]how can you say that with Barnes not even getting into games this deep into the season.[/quote]

Coaches might be waiting until if and when we are mathematically eliminated.

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Here is an excellent article from CSN about Carlos' benching, and his future.
[url=http://www.csnwashington.com/pages/landing_redskins/?blockID=93159&feedID=2993]Contract Complicates Rogers' Outlook[/url]

[QUOTE=Jerry Gray in article]
“Sometimes as a corner you can lose confidence,” said Gray. “I’ve watched enough film to know that they’re going to pick on guys, and if I’d left him out there, they were going to pick on him the rest of the game. I’ve got to be smart enough as a coach to say that I’m going to protect my guy.”[/QUOTE]

There is more in this article, but I think this is a good example of a good coach.