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He doesn't have to be a top 5 QB but you have to be able to go out and win games for your team. He can't. Sorry to say, he can't. It's not a thing abotu the O-Line because when we had an O-Line and went 6-2 he did what ? NO-Fucking-Thing. He didn't throw a pick but he had 6, yes count them 6 touchdowns. HE doesn't make the people around him better, we constantly ask everyone else to make him better. That cannot be the question about a 5 year veteran in the league. I understand that he hasn't started for all 5 years. Just 4 years so far on his way to 4 1/2. The problem with Jason as a QB is that he hasn't had to earn a thing. He was given his position when he got here, when Todd Collins took this team to the playoffs he didn't even have chance to battle for that position. Jason has always been safe. We should've given him the Vince Young treatment 2 years ago after Todd took us to the postseason. If Joe Gibbs is back that next year Jason NEVER sees the field before midseason that year. I hope you all have the same excuses ready for when he goes and stinks it up somewhere else next year.

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Jason Campbell Says He Blacked Out After Hit on Final Drive . . .

What a dumb ass. If he wants to blackout, all he has to do is drink a lot of Southern Comfort.

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[quote=MonkFan4Life;632415]He doesn't have to be a top 5 QB but you have to be able to go out and win games for your team. He can't. Sorry to say, he can't. It's not a thing abotu the O-Line because when we had an O-Line and went 6-2 he did what ? NO-Fucking-Thing. He didn't throw a pick but he had 6, yes count them 6 touchdowns. HE doesn't make the people around him better, we constantly ask everyone else to make him better. That cannot be the question about a 5 year veteran in the league. I understand that he hasn't started for all 5 years. Just 4 years so far on his way to 4 1/2. The problem with Jason as a QB is that he hasn't had to earn a thing. He was given his position when he got here, when Todd Collins took this team to the playoffs he didn't even have chance to battle for that position. Jason has always been safe. We should've given him the Vince Young treatment 2 years ago after Todd took us to the postseason. If Joe Gibbs is back that next year Jason NEVER sees the field before midseason that year. I hope you all have the same excuses ready for when he goes and stinks it up somewhere else next year.[/quote]

I have thought about it and I firmly believe that Carolina would have been in the Super Bowl if not won it with Campbell last year.

He would be a perfect fit for them and they have an excellent offensive line.

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Let me state that I was a sincere Jason Campbell apologist before this summer.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;632418]I have thought about it and I firmly believe that Carolina would have been in the Super Bowl if not won it with Campbell last year.

He would be a perfect fit for them and they have an excellent offensive line.[/quote]

How is he going to get the ball to Steve Smith ? The man RARELY completes deep throws. That's how they won last year. He and many people here already complain that his receivers are too short. Find another one.

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[quote=MonkFan4Life;632421]How is he going to get the ball to Steve Smith ? The man RARELY completes deep throws. That's how they won last year. He and many people here already complain that his receivers are too short. Find another one.[/quote]

Unlike Steve Smith, our receivers do not go and get balls down the field. He is a one of a kind.

Cambell at times has gotten the ball to Santana. Moss just isn't in the same league as Smith.

Plus, with that line, Campbell would actually have time to go down the field.

Campbell is more accurate than the haters give him credit for.

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[quote=MonkFan4Life;632415]He doesn't have to be a top 5 QB but you have to be able to go out and win games for your team. He can't. Sorry to say, he can't. It's not a thing abotu the O-Line because when we had an O-Line and went 6-2 he did what ? NO-Fucking-Thing. [B]He didn't throw a pick but he had 6, yes count them 6 touchdowns.[/B] HE doesn't make the people around him better, we constantly ask everyone else to make him better. That cannot be the question about a 5 year veteran in the league. I understand that he hasn't started for all 5 years. Just 4 years so far on his way to 4 1/2. The problem with Jason as a QB is that he hasn't had to earn a thing. He was given his position when he got here, when Todd Collins took this team to the playoffs he didn't even have chance to battle for that position. Jason has always been safe. We should've given him the Vince Young treatment 2 years ago after Todd took us to the postseason. If Joe Gibbs is back that next year Jason NEVER sees the field before midseason that year. I hope you all have the same excuses ready for when he goes and stinks it up somewhere else next year.[/quote]

Actually he had 8.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;632412]Do you get deja vu a lot, Matt? Because this point has probably been made by dozens of posters for well over a year now.

[B]Jason barely has time on 3 step drops and the anti-Campbell people think he is the reason we are 3 and 8. [/B]

He is not perfect. He makes bad throws and he hesitates too much. But who wouldn't hesitate when every other play a 260 to 300 pounder is going to flatten you.

I thought Trent Cole was our fullback yesterday.[/quote]

A QB should never be hit on a three step drop. However, for JC it is a way of life.

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[quote=Redskin Warrior;632336]BTW your too stupid to post on this board if you ask me.[/quote]
you're*

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[quote=Redskin Warrior;632344]Name a QB going threw the same thing?[/quote]
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[quote=MonkFan4Life;632415] He was given his position when he got here, when Todd Collins took this team to the playoffs he didn't even have chance to battle for that position. Jason has always been safe. We should've given him the Vince Young treatment 2 years ago after Todd took us to the postseason. If Joe Gibbs is back that next year Jason NEVER sees the field before midseason that year. I hope you all have the same excuses ready for when he goes and stinks it up somewhere else next year.[/quote]
It would've been interesting to see what happened if he was given the "VY treatment" as you mentioned. Of course there was a scheme change after that, so who knows.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;632432]Unlike Steve Smith, our receivers do not go and get balls down the field. He is a one of a kind.

Cambell at times has gotten the ball to Santana. Moss just isn't in the same league as Smith.

Plus, with that line, Campbell would actually have time to go down the field.

Campbell is more accurate than the haters give him credit for.[/quote]

So you mean to tell me that you weren't as boosted as I was that Campbell actually completed a deep fade yesterday ? Because unless you've been doing that on Madden you haven't seen him do that. Or maybe I missed that game. Campbell is great 15 and under but deeper throws, you are really creating this deep ball accuracy thing purely out of your love for the team. He has time to make a lot of throws that he misses. True Smith is in a different league but I've seen Moss running free and Jason misses him by a lot. Let's not forget that either. Like I said if you've seen him completing these bombs please, please tell me when.

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[quote=Bozzy;632049]FOX put up a stat at the start of that last drive.. JC has led 7 4th quarter comebacks...

JC is not the problem here. His stats this year are better than ever. His O line has been much much worse. We need to keep him. Same with zorn.

Yeah lets change QBs and Coaches every two years that'll win us some championships!!! (sarcasm)[/quote]

I agree that Campbell should stay. He's playing GREAT with a line in turmoil.

Zorn has proven he can't handle the job though. Even yesterday when it was Zorn's playcalling working in the last 2 minutes of BOTH halves, the offense tanked...Jason threw INTs and was nearly decapitated. I don't think it's a coincidence that the offense and Campbell do so much better when Zorn is not calling the plays.

Campbell is showing some good leadership and skills this season despite not having protection and play calling being a mess. He has earned a shot to lead the team at least for another season, but he can't do it alone. He needs an offensive line and a coach who knows how to use him.

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[quote=MonkFan4Life;632421]How is he going to get the ball to Steve Smith ? The man RARELY completes deep throws. That's how they won last year. He and many people here already complain that his receivers are too short. Find another one.[/quote]

Aren't you watching the games? He does complete them when he has time for the receivers to get downfield...he RARELY has time though.

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[quote=Buster;632499]I agree that Campbell should stay. He's playing GREAT with a line in turmoil.

Zorn has proven he can't handle the job though. Even yesterday when it was Zorn's playcalling working in the last 2 minutes of BOTH halves, the offense tanked...Jason threw INTs and was nearly decapitated. I don't think it's a coincidence that the offense and Campbell do so much better when Zorn is not calling the plays.

Campbell is showing some good leadership and skills this season despite not having protection and play calling being a mess. He has earned a shot to lead the team at least for another season, but he can't do it alone. He needs an offensive line and a coach who knows how to use him.[/quote]
Nice post Buster . JC has played well the past two weeks .

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[quote=MonkFan4Life;632415]He doesn't have to be a top 5 QB but you have to be able to go out and win games for your team. He can't. Sorry to say, he can't. It's not a thing abotu the O-Line because when we had an O-Line and went 6-2 he did what ? NO-Fucking-Thing. He didn't throw a pick but he had 6, yes count them 6 touchdowns. HE doesn't make the people around him better, we constantly ask everyone else to make him better. That cannot be the question about a 5 year veteran in the league. I understand that he hasn't started for all 5 years. Just 4 years so far on his way to 4 1/2. The problem with Jason as a QB is that he hasn't had to earn a thing. He was given his position when he got here, when Todd Collins took this team to the playoffs he didn't even have chance to battle for that position. Jason has always been safe. We should've given him the Vince Young treatment 2 years ago after Todd took us to the postseason. If Joe Gibbs is back that next year Jason NEVER sees the field before midseason that year. I hope you all have the same excuses ready for when he goes and stinks it up somewhere else next year.[/quote]

No excuses for JC, but Collins sucks also. Interception after interception is why we didn't get far in the post season that yr.

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[quote=SBXVII;632692]No excuses for JC, but Collins sucks also. Interception after interception is why we didn't get far in the post season that yr.[/quote]

He was a big reason we got that far to begin with. And he threw 2 INTs that day along with 2 TDs. He wasn't the one that cost us that game.

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[quote=QueensRedskinsFan;632171]Jason Campbell should eat my farts....this guy blows...this team will never win anything until they draft Sam Bradford...I wish Zorn and Sherm Lewis got concussions with Campbell Soup so they could all go away at once...

How many days until pitchers and catchers report for spring training?[/quote]

What makes you think Sam Bradford would want to play for the Redskins? Not to hijack this thread, but Bradford's of Cherokee Nation. His grandmother is full-blooded Cherokee which makes me think he may have an issue wearing a Redskin uniform. And maybe not, but it's def something to consider, especially when you're trying to start a new QB bandwagon (apparently the wheels fell off Colt Brennan's).

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[quote=SkinDogg;632801]What makes you think Sam Bradford would want to play for the Redskins? Not to hijack this thread, but Bradford's of Cherokee Nation. His grandmother is full-blooded Cherokee [B]which makes me think he may have an issue wearing a Redskin uniform[/B]. And maybe not, but it's def something to consider, especially when you're trying to start a new QB bandwagon (apparently the wheels fell off Colt Brennan's).[/quote]

Has he ever spoken out on such an issue?

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[quote=QueensRedskinsFan;632188]No, but Sam Bradford will not air passes over the heads of our wide receivers....Jason Campbell is too stupid to be a starting QB in the NFL....the guy's a moron....

LETS GO METS!!!![/quote]

If you really think that JC is unintelligent then this really speaks to how unintelligent you [B]MAY BE [/B](not calling you stupid, but wondering). This guy has only learned 4 different offenses in 5yrs that requires him to know every position on the offense and what their responsible for. Anyone that can do that is not a dumb/stupid person.

QueensRedskinsFan for GM, because he obiviously is smarter than JC and everyone else on this site.

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[quote=SkinDogg;632801]What makes you think Sam Bradford would want to play for the Redskins? Not to hijack this thread, but Bradford's of Cherokee Nation. His grandmother is full-blooded Cherokee which makes me think he may have an issue wearing a Redskin uniform. And maybe not, but it's def something to consider, especially when you're trying to start a new QB bandwagon (apparently the wheels fell off Colt Brennan's).[/quote]

That's a crazy thought...

Many polls have been taken on the made-up racial issue about sports teams and Native American names. The NAs overwhelmingly are either honored or do not care either way. Very few are actually "offended" by the names and logos. It's an issue that has mainly been made up by white lawyers and PC-policemen who want to make a name for themselves by forcing their opinions on others through litigation.

If Bradford was so easy to be offended, he wouldn't be playing for the Sooners...besides, those white men in wagons came riding in and forcing the Indians off their land!

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[quote=Mattyk72;632803]Has he ever spoken out on such an issue?[/quote]


Not that I know of. And in fact Dan and Vinny could prove more offensive than any name or logo. But he is a member of Cherokee Nation; I believe it's his great/grandparents who are full-blooded. Just something to think about...

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[quote=Buster;632861]That's a crazy thought...

Many polls have been taken on the made-up racial issue about sports teams and Native American names. The NAs overwhelmingly are either honored or do not care either way. Very few are actually "offended" by the names and logos. It's an issue that has mainly been made up by white lawyers and PC-policemen who want to make a name for themselves by forcing their opinions on others through litigation.

If Bradford was so easy to be offended, he wouldn't be playing for the Sooners...besides, those white men in wagons came riding in and forcing the Indians off their land![/quote]


It's not a crazy thought. We all toss around our opinions on the subject, but for the most part, it doesn't personally affect us in the sense that we're a bunch of white, black, brown, green fans attached to the name. Along comes a dude who might think otherwise because the name/logo speaks to his tribe. Or not.

I do agree, however, that the majority of NAs could care less. Count me among them.

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Wasn't Mark Rypien part Native American? In fact isn't Zorn as well?

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[quote=SkinDogg;632801]What makes you think Sam Bradford would want to play for the Redskins? Not to hijack this thread, but Bradford's of Cherokee Nation. His grandmother is full-blooded Cherokee which makes me think he may have an issue wearing a Redskin uniform. And maybe not, but it's def something to consider, especially when you're trying to start a new QB bandwagon (apparently the wheels fell off Colt Brennan's).[/quote]

Last skins game i went to in Arizona i saw more Native Americans sporting redskin jerseys than anyone else. Don't believe the hype.

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[quote=SkinDogg;632801]What makes you think Sam Bradford would want to play for the Redskins? Not to hijack this thread, but Bradford's of Cherokee Nation. His grandmother is full-blooded Cherokee which makes me think he may have an issue wearing a Redskin uniform. And maybe not, but it's def something to consider, especially when you're trying to start a new QB bandwagon (apparently the wheels fell off Colt Brennan's).[/quote]
You seem to present this as if it's more than likely true.

If he has a problem maybe they could have him talk to a descendant of Lone Star Dietz if they can find one. Has anybody from the media attempted this? That would probably be one of my first attempts at an interview if I was covering one of the stories on the Redskins names.

Don't know how easy that would be considering there's been controversy about his actual heritage.

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[quote=Zerohero;633008]Last skins game i went to in Arizona i saw more Native Americans sporting redskin jerseys than anyone else. Don't believe the hype.[/quote]
That's pretty cool to hear.

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the 'non-call' was f&*^&ng pathetic, the officials and... i 4get who even (cuz i dont care) hit him should be fined, and the NFL officiating.... i dont have words for it, every week it gets worse.

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[quote=SkinDogg;632997]It's not a crazy thought. We all toss around our opinions on the subject, but for the most part, it doesn't personally affect us in the sense that we're a bunch of white, black, brown, green fans attached to the name. Along comes a dude who might think otherwise because the name/logo speaks to his tribe. Or not.

[B] I do agree, however, that the majority of NAs could care less. Count me among them.[/B][/quote]

Me too...some Cherokee, not much but still some. :D

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[quote=Buster;632501]Aren't you watching the games? He does complete them when he has time for the receivers to get downfield...he RARELY has time though.[/quote]

HA !!! Dude your belief in that fabrication is sad. WHEN has he killed someone deep when he has time ? And he has had time. The guy blows. You mean to tell me you weren't as shocked as I was that he completed that fade to Kelly ? I was. Because if this guy had such an accurate deep pass we would be cooking teams because NO ONE respects his deep ball. NOT ONE SINGLE DEFENSE. The guy consistently misfires on deep throws to open receivers. How many times have you seen Moss running deep and the ball sails out of bounds ? I see it all the time. Maybe I'm watching the wrong games. But then again you'll say that he has not enough time. When in his entire career have you seen him be an accurate deep passer ? Sure he can throw it far but he doesn't hit the guy.. He eith overthrows a guy or underthrows him. In the NFL you have to be abe to make the throws that he cannot or just doesn't.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;631953]JC may not be a GREAT QB, but U won't find a better competitor out there.. That guy gives it 100% all game every game..[/quote]


IF he gave 100% his winning percentage as a starting QB would be much better. As for being a great competitor, big deal. I remember Gus getting props from opposing LBs or Dbs a few times in the paper during his good years(95'-96'). If you make the elite as a NFL starting QB you are a competitor. Matt Stafford is a competitor also, and on 9/27/09 with a relatively healthy team around him, the rook on the worst team in football schooled JC.

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[quote=tryfuhl;633024]If he has a problem maybe they could have him talk to a descendant of Lone Star Dietz if they can find one. Has anybody from the media attempted this? That would probably be one of my first attempts at an interview if I was covering one of the stories on the Redskins names.
[/quote]

This is not possible because Lone Star Dietz had no children. He was like a father to some of his players, but that is entirely different.

Tom Benjey, author of
[I]Keep A-goin': the life of Lone Star Dietz[/I]

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[quote=Tom Benjey;633865]This is not possible because Lone Star Dietz had no children. He was like a father to some of his players, but that is entirely different.

Tom Benjey, author of
[I]Keep A-goin': the life of Lone Star Dietz[/I][/quote]

Your website has some great material. I'm sure you've read [ame=http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0812977319/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_1?pf_rd_p=486539851&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=140006600X&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=13RE722EPXB07GCWZHWG]Carlisle vs. Army[/ame] which I recommend to anyone to read

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[quote=Tom Benjey;633865]This is not possible because Lone Star Dietz had no children. He was like a father to some of his players, but that is entirely different.

Tom Benjey, author of
[I]Keep A-goin': the life of Lone Star Dietz[/I][/quote]

He could have a collateral descendant, so it's not impossible. Thanks for dropping by though, I'll check out the book if I see it locally.

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[quote=SBXVII;632340]I think I blacked out yesterday also after the last interception.[/quote]

Did you blackout when that 23 yard field goal was missed? Their is a small percentage of Redskin fans like you who will never support Campbell. We know why. You want a big beautiful blonde or brown haired blue -eyed stud QB. Quinn cannot play. Clausen ? Like Quinn he has never done a thing . Sam Bradford? Is he still in a cast? I hope Jason Campbell leaves this team as soon as the season is over.He is to classy to play a fanbase that is the mirror image of the Tea Party Express

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[quote=THE TRUTH DETECTOR;636282]Did you blackout when that 23 yard field goal was missed? Their is a small percentage of Redskin fans like you who will never support Campbell. We know why. You want a big beautiful blonde or brown haired blue -eyed stud QB. Quinn cannot play. Clausen ? Like Quinn he has never done a thing . Sam Bradford? Is he still in a cast? I hope Jason Campbell leaves this team as soon as the season is over.He is to classy to play a fanbase that is the mirror image of the Tea Party Express[/quote]

Idiotic post. I guess all the people who didn't like Ramsey were racist too? Get real.

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[quote=cpayne5;636287]Idiotic post. I guess all the people who didn't like Ramsey were racist too? Get real.[/quote]

He's got a point though, do you feel as though the Redskins fan base would be a little more tolerant of a white QB given that Ramsey was just really bad but Campbell has never been egregiously bad but everyone is calling for his head. If you look at his numbers through the carousel of OCs and HCs he's gone through, their actually fairly solid but he gets no love...

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[quote=rbanerjee23;636314]He's got a point though, do you feel as though the Redskins fan base would be a little more tolerant of a white QB given that Ramsey was just really bad but Campbell has never been egregiously bad but everyone is calling for his head. If you look at his numbers through the carousel of OCs and HCs he's gone through, their actually fairly solid but he gets no love...[/quote]

No, he doesn't have a point. It's an assertion based on emotions.

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[quote=rbanerjee23;636314]He's got a point though, do you feel as though the Redskins fan base would be a little more tolerant of a white QB given that Ramsey was just really bad but Campbell has never been egregiously bad but everyone is calling for his head. If you look at his numbers through the carousel of OCs and HCs he's gone through, their actually fairly solid but he gets no love...[/quote]
You had plenty of people calling for the heads of Gus, Ramsey, Brunell, etc and any other QB that we've had over the years. I don't see why once we criticize a black QB it means he's the only one that we ever have.

I've seen more Campbell jerseys than I ever saw of any other skins QB over the past decade.

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[quote=THE TRUTH DETECTOR;636282]Did you blackout when that 23 yard field goal was missed? Their is a small percentage of Redskin fans [B]like you[/B] who will never support Campbell. [B]We know why[/B]. You want a big beautiful blonde or brown haired blue -eyed stud QB. Quinn cannot play. Clausen ? Like Quinn he has never done a thing . Sam Bradford? Is he still in a cast? I hope Jason Campbell leaves this team as soon as the season is over.He is to classy to play a fanbase that is the mirror image of the Tea Party Express[/quote]

So by SBXVII making a joke, you've somehow deduced he's a racist? That would be like assuming the [B]only[/B] reason you support him is because he's Afro-American. I think JC has given reasons for being on either side of the fence in the "support" department. "We know why". Who are you speaking for? Your name, "The Truth Detector" reeks of arrogance to be honest.