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[quote=mlmdub130;637642]thomas was a good pickup we did need a big wide out, we didn't need a te and we sure as hell didn't need two wide outs, and could have used a younger back, and we needed LINEMEN[/quote]

we needed WR's a hell of alot more than we needed a younger back. While our offensive line still needs help, our defensive line has been dramatically upgraded over the past two years (Haynesworth, Jackson, Jarmon, and Orakpo). Are you going to complain no matter what the front office does? I bet if they draft o-linemen this year, you'll complain they didnt address some other position.

I know alot of people dont like acknowledging this, but Joe Jackson Gibbs set this franchise back several years by trading draft picks and stockpiling on old veteran players in an attempt to reach the superbowl. Not only did he fail to win more than one playoff game, but didnt develop young talent and left this team with the oldest roster in the NFL. He essentially put all of our chips on the table, went "all in," and lost. There's absolutely nothing any GM could have done in the past 2 years to put us in a noteably better situation (personnel wise) than we are now.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;637658]You can go back through every draft and look at players that EVERY team wish they had drafted. Do you blame 31 teams for passing on Brady 5-6 times? Jackson is great, but we already had enough small WRs. We needed bigs ones. [B][U]Ray Rice??? why on earth would we have drafted a RB.[/U][/B] I was disappointed that we didnt get any loffensive inemen, but if you look at the draft, there really wasnt anyone worth taking in the 2nd round between the slots we drafted. Also, 1st and 2nd round Olinemen can generally start immediately, whereas it takes receivers 2-3 years to develop. When you look at things from a multi-year perspective, it makes the most sense to draft the receivers 1st and linemen 2nd.

If the team is abiding by any sort of long-term strategy that is consistent with what we've done the past two years, they'll hire a WCO coach, resign Levi Jones, and add one starting-caliber offensive linemen through FA or the draft and 1-2 backup, developmental linemen in the draft.[/quote]

because we didn't have a running back under 27 thats why. we are short on rb's now because we wait til we are forced to. thats why the hell the draft is there for depth so you can get players and groom them, not to get them so they can start the next f-ing year!!!

thats why vinny is a a terrible personell guy, and ss i don't know names of many other teams personell guys but i would say some one like the guy they have in b more, or even philly, somone goes down they have depth

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;637663][B]we needed WR's a hell of alot more than we needed a younger back. [/B] While our offensive line still needs help, our defensive line has been dramatically upgraded over the past two years (Haynesworth, Jackson, Jarmon, and Orakpo). Are you going to complain no matter what the front office does? I bet if they draft o-linemen this year, you'll complain they didnt address some other position.

I know alot of people dont like acknowledging this, but Joe [B]Jackson Gibbs set this franchise back several years by trading draft picks and stockpiling on old veteran players in an attempt to reach the superbowl.[/B] Not only did he fail to win more than one playoff game, but didnt develop young talent and left this team with the oldest roster in the NFL. He essentially put all of our chips on the table, went "all in," and lost. There's absolutely nothing any GM could have done in the past 2 years to put us in a noteably better situation (personnel wise) than we are now.[/quote]

how many of our starting wr are still on the feild???? did we really need another no we didn't

and i will agree we got set back during thoose years but do you think it was all joe, i know i don't

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[quote=mlmdub130;637668]because we didn't have a running back under 27 thats why. we are short on rb's now because we wait til we are forced to. thats why the hell the draft is there for depth so you can get players and groom them, not to get them so they can start the next f-ing year!!!

thats why vinny is a a terrible personell guy, and ss i don't know names of many other teams personell guys but i would say some one like the guy they have in b more, or even philly, somone goes down they have depth[/quote]

CP was 26 when Ray Rice was drafted

So we're not grooming guys like Thomas, Kelly, Tryon, Barnes, Jarmon for when guys like Moss, El, Thrash, Smoot, Springs, Rogers, Daniels get hurt or go down?

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;637632]So there ya go. I guess everyone has their opinion, but there's not too much to hate about how this team has acquired players under Cerrato. The only truly questionable decision he's made is trading a 2nd and a 6th round pick for Jason Taylor. It was a desperation move. Most of us didnt like it at the time and we all agree it was a huge mistake now.[/quote]

My only gripe with Vinny is that imo he sacrificied his integrity for cash.
He used to be and still is competent scout.
But his problem is that Synder can walk into Vinny's office or tell Vinnie during a game of racquetball-"Hey Vin i think we should sign Jason Taylor" and Vinny as much as he disagrees has to go out and get it done.

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[quote=SmootSmack;637656]Who's the best personnel guy in the NFL?[/quote]

Probably Ozzie Newsome. The guy has put together a competitive team with coordinators constantly getting HC positions and his scouts getting promoted to GM spots but the one constant in that organization is Ozzie. On top of that he helped put together a team that won a Super Bowl with Trent Dilfer. Basically a decade of success without a franchise QB, well until they got Flaco.

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[quote=SmootSmack;637675][B]CP was 26 when Ray Rice was drafted[/B]

So we're not grooming guys like Thomas, Kelly, Tryon, Barnes, Jarmon for when guys like Moss, El, Thrash, Smoot, Springs, Rogers, Daniels get hurt or go down?[/quote]

what like 26 and 3/4's he is 28 now right, i'm just saying

we are we just took our sweet ass time to get around to doing it and i think that o line should have been the first focus since we were oldest there, it's just a shame it took them this long to realize we needed younger guys, and i don't understand why you wouldn't try to get youth at your oldest position first, which also happens to be the [B]most important position in football[/B] imo at o line

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Campbell on fire with a shitty line, yet they want a rookie with a shitty line.

Dumbest fucks on the Earth, plain and simple.

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Vinny's and DS decision to not the address the Oline the last several years has to be this duo biggest downfall and in my opinion to see the oline collaspe so early in the season, Vinny should be fired for that alone after watching what happened last season. Since we are bring up the draft, How many Olinemen has Snyder/Vinny drafted in the last 10 years?

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;637663]we needed WR's a hell of alot more than we needed a younger back. While our offensive line still needs help, our defensive line has been dramatically upgraded over the past two years (Haynesworth, Jackson, Jarmon, and Orakpo). Are you going to complain no matter what the front office does? I bet if they draft o-linemen this year, you'll complain they didnt address some other position.

[B][I]I know alot of people dont like acknowledging this, but Joe Jackson Gibbs set this franchise back several years by trading draft picks and stockpiling on old veteran players in an attempt to reach the superbowl. Not only did he fail to win more than one playoff game, but didnt develop young talent and left this team with the oldest roster in the NFL. He essentially put all of our chips on the table, went "all in," and lost.[/I][/B] There's absolutely nothing any GM could have done in the past 2 years to put us in a noteably better situation (personnel wise) than we are now.[/quote]
I've been saying that same thing, that Gibbs 4 years set the franchise back 8 years. He tried to sprint and fell short and now we're trying to catch up.

As ready as I am to let Vinny go, I've also said that he probably had a 3 year plan based on the major roster deficiencies from the Gibbs era, pass catchers, DL/Pass rush, OL:

Year one - Pass catchers and special teams.. 3 2nd round picks on pass catchers, depth picks in Tryon, Jackson, Horton - guys who were athletic but weren't expected to make an impact based on draft slot and Durant Brooks. Colt was a flyer who if he turned into something then great but if not, he was just a 6th round pick anyways.

Year two defensive line/pass rush.. Haynesworth, Orakpo, Jarmon.. Barnes was depth/potential replacement for Rogers, the rest of the picks were special teams/depth picks

Year three OL/QB/RB. I don't think (I hope) that Vinny will get to the point to make the decisions this offseason but I have to think this was the plan.

Our OL wasn't a disaster after 2007 but was aging. It wasn't a disaster starting 2008 but clearly needed to be addressed. Vinny's biggest mistake was the inability to effectively adjust the plan when needed.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;637632]
3[U] 96 Chad Rinehart T Northern Iowa [/U]- I'm not ready to close the book on Rinehart just yet, but he's looking like a bust. [B][COLOR="Red"]FAIL[/COLOR][/B]
[/quote]

I thought Rhinehart got back in the lineup and was doing well until he got hurt?

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[quote=Chico23231;637686]Vinny's and DS decision to not the address the Oline the last several years has to be this duo biggest downfall and in my opinion to see the oline collaspe so early in the season, Vinny should be fired for that alone after watching what happened last season. Since we are bring up the draft, How many Olinemen has Snyder/Vinny drafted in the last 10 years?[/quote]

I don't think it's so much failure to address as it is how they've addressed. They have gone after and brought in guys...but maybe not the right guys

As for how many they have drafted

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/608237-post34.html[/url]

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[quote=mlmdub130;637668]because we didn't have a running back under 27 thats why. we are short on rb's now because we wait til we are forced to. [B]thats why the hell the draft is there for depth so you can get players and groom them,[/B] not to get them so they can start the next f-ing year!!!

thats why vinny is a a terrible personell guy, and ss i don't know names of many other teams personell guys but i would say some one like the guy they have in b more, or even philly, somone goes down they have depth[/quote]

gotta say, this year seems like a knock against the bolded part. We have had 11 guys go on IR, including 3 ProBowlers, and our rookies and 2nd year guys have been coming in and filling the slack very well. Which is what I would call grooming them so they can come in as needed. Obviously, you don't like Vinny, most on this board would like to see him gone, but I think BHA has made a fair case that IF!!!! the strategy was to take care of the skill positions that need time to develop first, and come back and get the more "generic" positions later, then this next draft would be a key to proving that.

Fans tend to forget the previous years rants and raves and look through "grass is greener" type glasses. For example, last year we were screaming both lines needed fixing, before that we screamed for tall WR's and both Lines. Now we are screaming mainly for OL, maybe LBs. You cannot fill every need in a team immediately, and for every solid pick that was a better choice than the Skins made, I am pretty sure you could find a pick or two that were obviously worse.

With all that said, the OL has to be a priority this year, and hedged UFA's and out of work 1st rounders won't cut it. We need to pick up 2 maybe 3 solid OL players early in the draft, and get them out on the field, assuming they aren't busts. It amazes me that on this boards dream draft there are anything other than OL listed, and further that for all the screaming about consistency and patience, people want to blow it all up. (note i am sure I have fallen trap to that emotion some of my posts, but really BHA's analysis, and the play of the team the last few weeks, show that there is a firm foundation here, and we need to be VERY careful what we scream for, cuz we might just get it)

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;637453]Matty:

Art Rooney doesn't go scouting. Robert Kraft doesn't go scouting. Jeffrie Lurie doesn't go scouting. Those are three NFL situations I know are the case. Their teams are pretty successful year over year...


I seriously doubt that other successful owners regularly went out to scout players on their own in past times. - - other than Jerry Jones who has been the owner AND GM of the team for the last 15 years or so. And by the way, it has been 13 years since the Cowboys won a playoff game. Oh, you can put George Halas in the bin of owners who scouted too; of course he was the head coach in addition to all of the other responsibilities... Those were simpler times.


Here is what bothers me about Snyder scouting a QB:
[INDENT]Back in his early years here, he boasted to the Washington Post Sunday Magazine in an article on him that HE was the one who found Patrick Ramsey and made sure the team drafted Ramsey with its first draft pick.
[/INDENT]That tells me that Danny Boy would not know a great QB if it came up to him and bit him on the ass and announced in a loud voice, "I am a great QB!"[/quote]


I agree here. The other owners aren't going around doing this stuff. Well Jerry Jones does but at least he puts his name on it. It's just the same old shit. And yeah Danny Boy was impressed that Ramsey threw the ball all over the field during the combine and so we had to have him. lol. But in their defense maybe they were there looking at other players and not just McCoy. I might have to turn in my Redskin colors if we draft McCoy.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;637632]Before you crucify the man, lets take a look at the two drafts we've had with Cerrato as the ultimate descision maker:

[B][U]2008[/U][/B]

[B]Round / Overall Selection / Name / Position / College / Comments / Grade[/B]
[U]2 34 Devin Thomas WR Michigan State [/U]- Is in the process of becoming a solid #2 Receiver [B][COLOR=green]PASS[/COLOR][/B]
[U]2 48 Fred Davis TE USC [/U]- He's no where near as good as Cooley, but he's certainly better than many starting TE's in the league.[B][COLOR=green]PASS[/COLOR][/B]
[U]2 51 Malcolm Kelly WR Oklahoma [/U]- He's contributing. When he was drafted, it was really a hedge against the Thomas pick. we were really just hoping that one of our two 2nd round WRs would work out. If Kelly becomes a situational #3/#4 WR, then i'll view the pick as a success. As for now, the Verdicts still out. [B][COLOR=deepskyblue]VERDICT'S OUT[/COLOR][/B]
3[U] 96 Chad Rinehart T Northern Iowa [/U]- I'm not ready to close the book on Rinehart just yet, but he's looking like a bust. [B][COLOR=red]FAIL[/COLOR][/B]
[U]4 124 Justin Tryon CB Arizona State [/U]- A cornerback drafted in the 4th round is not expected to be anything more than a #3 or #4 corner. Tryon's filling tha trole nicely. [B][COLOR=green]PASS[/COLOR][/B]
[U]6 168 Durant Brooks P Georgia Tech [/U]- No discussion necessary. [B][COLOR=red]FAIL[/COLOR][/B]
[U]6 180 Kareem Moore DB Nicholls State [/U]- Moor is doing everything you'd expect from a 6th round WR. He's contributing on special teams and not killing us when he plays on defense. Good pick. [B][COLOR=green]PASS[/COLOR][/B]
[U]6 186 Colt Brennan QB Hawaii [/U]- He served as a #3 QB last year and probably would have earned the same role this year had he not been injured and placed on IR. We may never see what he could have become here because, as he was Zorn's QB, he'll likely be cut by our next head coach. [B][COLOR=deepskyblue]VERDICT'S OUT[/COLOR][/B]
[U]7 242 Rob Jackson DE Kansas State[/U] - He made the final 53 man roster as a rookie and he's still with the team now. He's made some plays when he gets on the field. He doesn't kill us when he comes in to spell a starter. As a 7th round pick, thats all we can expect. [B][COLOR=green]PASS[/COLOR][/B]
[U]7 249 Chris Horton SS UCLA[/U] - Became a starter as a rookie, lost the job his second year, but still contributed significantly until he was placed on IR. We can all agree this was a great pick. [B][COLOR=green]PASS[/COLOR][/B]


[B][U]2008[/U][/B]
[B]Round / Overall Selection / Name / Position / College / Comments / Grade[/B]
[U]1 13 Brian Orakpo DE Texas [/U]- GREAT Pick. He will be a perennial pro-bowler. [B][COLOR=green]PASS[/COLOR][/B]
[U]3 80 Kevin Barnes CB Maryland [/U]- We haven't seen him much, but injuries to our starters have given him more playing time. The fact that his name hasn't been mentioned much is a good sign. It means he hasnt been making big mistakes. I realize its still too early to tell, but i'll give this pick a passing grade. [B][COLOR=green]PASS[/COLOR][/B]
[U]5 158 Cody Glenn LB Nebraska [/U]- Who? [B][COLOR=red]FAIL[/COLOR][/B]
[U]6 186 Robert Henson OLB TCU [/U]- He's on the team. Hasn't done anything noteable as of yet.[B][COLOR=deepskyblue]VERDICT'S OUT[/COLOR][/B]
[U]7 221 Eddie Williams TE Idaho [/U]- He hasn't done anything yet and now he's on IR. [B][COLOR=deepskyblue]VERDICT'S OUT[/COLOR][/B]
[U]7 243 Marko Mitchell WR Nevada [/U]- I'm tempted to say the verdict's still out, but Mitchell's already done more than you'd expect from a 7th round compensatory selection and has shown alot of promise. I'm gonna give him a pass. [B][COLOR=green]PASS[/COLOR][/B]

So there ya go. I guess everyone has their opinion, but there's not too much to hate about how this team has acquired players under Cerrato. The only truly questionable decision he's made is trading a 2nd and a 6th round pick for Jason Taylor. It was a desperation move. Most of us didnt like it at the time and we all agree it was a huge mistake now.[/quote]

Thomas has had one or two good games and one of them was against a team that was pulling cb's off the street. Let's not overvalue the guys on this team yet just cause they're Redskins. Right now the only true keeper is probably Orakpo. The rest of them the verdict is still out.

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Just draft a starting caliber LT and I'll be happy. Draft a starting caliber guard to go with him and I'll shut up for a year. If they draft another WR, I'll continue to bad mouth Vinny and Dan.

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[quote=mlmdub130;637638]desaen jackson was drafted right after fred davis, and ray rice was drafted three or four spots behind kelly, not to mention we needed lineman in both of thoose drafts and we got one, vinny is terrible personell guy[/quote]

I remember Vinny saying one reason they passed on Jackson was because they wanted to get bigger wr's for the WCO. See this is why Vinny is a dumb ass. You don't draft guys just cause they're big, or can run fast, or look good in their uniforms. IMO you draft guys on production...then all the other stuff comes 2nd. Now if he did that and paid attention to Jackson's body of work then he should've been a Redskin over Davis. Plus Jackson would've filled a GLARING need which is on punt returns. Total fail on Vinny's part.

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;637453]Matty:

Art Rooney doesn't go scouting. Robert Kraft doesn't go scouting. Jeffrie Lurie doesn't go scouting. Those are three NFL situations I know are the case. Their teams are pretty successful year over year...


I seriously doubt that other successful owners regularly went out to scout players on their own in past times. - - other than Jerry Jones who has been the owner AND GM of the team for the last 15 years or so. And by the way, it has been 13 years since the Cowboys won a playoff game. Oh, you can put George Halas in the bin of owners who scouted too; of course he was the head coach in addition to all of the other responsibilities... Those were simpler times.


Here is what bothers me about Snyder scouting a QB:
[INDENT]Back in his early years here, he boasted to the Washington Post Sunday Magazine in an article on him that HE was the one who found Patrick Ramsey and made sure the team drafted Ramsey with its first draft pick.
[/INDENT]That tells me that Danny Boy would not know a great QB if it came up to him and bit him on the ass and announced in a loud voice, "I am a great QB!"[/quote]

I thought that it was Spurier (sp) that wanted Ramsey.

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[quote=skinsfan69;637715]I remember Vinny saying one reason they passed on Jackson was because they wanted to get bigger wr's for the WCO. See this is why Vinny is a dumb ass. You don't draft guys just cause they're big, or can run fast, or look good in their uniforms. IMO you draft guys on production...then all the other stuff comes 2nd. Now if he did that and paid attention to Jackson's body of work then he should've been a Redskin over Davis. Plus Jackson would've filled a GLARING need which is on punt returns. Total fail on Vinny's part.[/quote]

Vinny would have been absolutely blasted here if he had drafted 5'10" DeSean Jackson to play alongside 5'10" Santana Moss and 5'10" Antwaan Randle El.

The Eagles have failed time and time again when it comes to selecting WRs. Good for them on Jackson...but Devin Thomas will be just as good

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[quote=Ruhskins;637692]I thought Rhinehart got back in the lineup and was doing well until he got hurt?[/quote]

He could still bounce back, but it was my understand that even when he got healthy again, Edwin Williams was ahead of him on the depth chart. Then when Edwin got hurt, Mike Williams started at RT over Rinehart. I supposed I could have labeled him, "verdict's out," but by all appearances, he's a bust.

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[quote=skinsfan69;637715]I remember Vinny saying one reason they passed on Jackson was because they wanted to get bigger wr's for the WCO. See this is why Vinny is a dumb ass. You don't draft guys just cause they're big, or can run fast, or look good in their uniforms. IMO you draft guys on production...then all the other stuff comes 2nd. Now if he did that and paid attention to Jackson's body of work then he should've been a Redskin over Davis. Plus Jackson would've filled a GLARING need which is on punt returns. Total fail on Vinny's part.[/quote]
Well in all fairness, if Jackson had been drafted, he would never have broken into the lineup, because Santana hasn't been injured. So he would have been inactive most of the first year, and some of this. Also, why would we have put him in to return kicks, we had others who could return kicks on the roster, and we never replaced ARE, so Jackson would not have done that either. And last I checked a 2nd rounder who only returns kicks would get the same criticism as every other draft pick gets around here.

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[quote=SmootSmack;637656]Who's the best personnel guy in the NFL?[/quote]

I can list guys that have done a good job recently. Much better than the 9 to 10 years Vinny and Snyder have been at it:

1) GM Chris Polian Colts. Nuff said

2) GM Mickey Loomis New Orleans Saints. Great acquisitions like S Sharper, LB Vilma, TE Shockey. The Saints have struck gold in recent seasons in the NFL Draft with late-round finds such as G Jahri Evans, WR Marques Colston and G Carl Nicks. He was awarded the NFL executive of the year for 2007.

3) GM Jeff Ireland and Team President Bill Parcells; righted the ship in Miami very quickly. From NFL worst 1-15 record in 2007 to 11-5 in 2008. They are currently 6-6 but they are only one game behind first place NE.

4) GM Jerry Reese NY Giants : In one draft (2007 draft) he drafted Aaron Ross, Steve Smith, Jay Alford, Kevin Boss, Michael Johnson, Ahmad Bradshaw and Zak DeOssie. All of them contributed greatly to the Giants' Super Bowl XLII victory. Vinny can not draft like that.

5) Ozzie Newsome - Bmore Ravens. Nuff said.

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[quote=SmootSmack;637720]Vinny would have been absolutely blasted here if he had drafted 5'10" DeSean Jackson to play alongside 5'10" Santana Moss and 5'10" Antwaan Randle El.

The Eagles have failed time and time again when it comes to selecting WRs. Good for them on Jackson...but Devin Thomas will be just as good[/quote]

Agreed. One of our biggest problems the past few years was that we had no big red zone targets for Campbell. In 2008, we drafted 3 of them. In 2010, i fully expect Thomas to be a starting WR and Kelly or Mitchell to be our #3 posession WR. Whoever our next coach is, he's going to find a way to get Davis and Cooley on the field together a lot. Moving Cooley back to H-back/TE is a possibility that others have suggested.

Hopefully, the new coaching staff will keep Campbell around for another year and resist the urge to draft one of the vastly overrated QBs in the 1st round. However, even if they make a "dumb" move and draft a QB in the 1st and OT in the 2nd (see 2008 Falcons), then the rookie QB will benefit from having 5 BIG targets to throw at (Davis, Kelly, Thomas, Cooley, and Mitchell). One of the biggest problems rookie quarterbacks experience is how fast the NFL is and how accurate their throws must be since NFL DBs dont let WRs get open nearly as much as their college counterparts. Big, phisical receivers are a rookie QBs best friend.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;637723]He could still bounce back, but it was my understand that even when he got healthy again, Edwin Williams was ahead of him on the depth chart. Then when Edwin got hurt, Mike Williams started at RT over Rinehart. I supposed I could have labeled him, "verdict's out," but by all appearances, he's a bust.[/quote]

When Rinehart went down he was in the starting lineup. That's when Edwin Williams got his shot.

Edwin didn't get hurt, when big Mike was healthy he was named the starter again.

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[quote=Mattyk72;637734]When Rinehart went down he was in the starting lineup. That's when Edwin Williams got his shot.

Edwin didn't get hurt, when big Mike was healthy he was named the starter again.[/quote]

My bad, I forgot it was actually Eddie Williams who went to IR. Regarding our O-line, Big Mike is actually playing pretty well at guard and I would not be upset at all if Levi Jones started 2010 at LT. Obviously, neither of them are long-term solutions but they give us time to develop their replacements. Heyer just isn't getting it done though. I've been a big supporter of his for a long time, but he needs to be replaced at the first opportunity.

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FYI, according to a thread on extremeskins, Clausen will appear as a guest of Vinny's on his radio show tomorrow morning at some point between 8-10AM.

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[quote=SmootSmack;637720]Vinny would have been absolutely blasted here if he had drafted 5'10" DeSean Jackson to play alongside 5'10" Santana Moss and 5'10" Antwaan Randle El.

The Eagles have failed time and time again when it comes to selecting WRs. Good for them on Jackson...but Devin Thomas will be just as good[/quote]

How tall was Gary Clark? I've been right next the guy and he can't be more than 5'10. Again it doesn't matter how big and strong a guy is. It's comes down to can he play football. So far Jackson is miles ahead of Thomas. I hope Thomas can come on but right now it's not even close.

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[quote=SmootSmack;637720]Vinny would have been absolutely blasted here if he had drafted 5'10" DeSean Jackson to play alongside 5'10" Santana Moss and 5'10" Antwaan Randle El.

The Eagles have failed time and time again when it comes to selecting WRs. Good for them on Jackson...but Devin Thomas will be just as good[/quote]

Seriously, everyone and their mother was banging on the "we need a big WR" drum back then.

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Thomas is starting to show signs of life... in time I believe he could be a more complete package than Jackson.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;637724]Well in all fairness, if Jackson had been drafted, he would never have broken into the lineup, because Santana hasn't been injured. So he would have been inactive most of the first year, and some of this. Also, why would we have put him in to return kicks, we had others who could return kicks on the roster, and we never replaced ARE, so Jackson would not have done that either. And last I checked a 2nd rounder who only returns kicks would get the same criticism as every other draft pick gets around here.[/quote]

How in the world would he have been inactive? He also could've split time w/ ARE and eventually beat him out. And sorry but a guy that's as fast as Jackson, plus add in the skill set and his ass would've been on the field right away.

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[quote=skinsfan69;637748]How tall was Gary Clark? I've been right next the guy and he can't be more than 5'10. Again it doesn't matter how big and strong a guy is. It's comes down to can he play football. So far Jackson is miles ahead of Thomas. I hope Thomas can come on but right now it's not even close.[/quote]

I love when people make the other side's argument. Gary Clark was good, but without Monk he would have had less of the career. We have this teams Gary Clark in Santana, we needed a Monk, and may have found one in DT at least last game, the way he pulled away from receivers.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;637741]FYI, according to a thread on extremeskins, Clausen will appear as a guest of Vinny's on his radio show tomorrow morning at some point between 8-10AM.[/quote]

I'll be on around 9:30am

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[quote=skinsfan69;637751]How in the world would he have been inactive? He also could've split time w/ ARE and eventually beat him out. And sorry but a guy that's as fast as Jackson, plus add in the skill set and his ass would've been on the field right away.[/quote]

Because that is how our coaching staff has operated. No one has just come on, except Orakpo, and started in front of named position players. Although we will never know, I am more than willing to bet that DJ would have been a bust here in DC (remember his first non-TD? he wouldn't have seen the field again!)

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oh god, not the we need a tall receiver argument again?

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[quote=SmootSmack;637753]I'll be on around 9:30am[/quote]

No way, really? So we'll all finally learn your alter-ego?

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;637768]No way, really? So we'll all finally learn your alter-ego?[/quote]

LOL...Oops. That was a typo. I mean he'll be on, as in Jimmy Clausen. Not me. Sorry to disappoint

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Smoot Smack is Jimmy Clausen everyone!

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[quote=skinsfan69;637751]How in the world would he have been inactive? He also could've split time w/ ARE and eventually beat him out. And sorry but a guy that's as fast as Jackson, plus add in the skill set and his ass would've been on the field right away.[/quote]

Marko Mitchell could be a world beater too, but the Redskin way is to bring them along slowly unless a starter is injured. I think that's the point CRedskinsRule is trying to make. Who knows how long it would have taken the coaches to trust Jackson enough to actually throw to him? Personally I think DT may end up being better than Jackson.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;637741]FYI, according to a thread on extremeskins, Clausen will appear as a guest of Vinny's on his radio show tomorrow morning at some point between 8-10AM.[/quote]

thats why he is a terrible personel guy. i just wish he would leave the redskins and start his short lived media career already

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;637755]Because that is how our coaching staff has operated. No one has just come on, except Orakpo, and started in front of named position players. Although we will never know, I am more than willing to bet that DJ would have been a bust here in DC (remember his first non-TD? he wouldn't have seen the field again!)[/quote]

I hear what you saying, I just dont like diminishing a player like Desean who has gone out and preformed, making big plays and being a badass in general as a receiver as a well as special teams. Both teams needed WR in that, to this date Philly got the better player...I hope our entire offense coaching staff would not be so incrediably poor not to put this guy on the field...wow we must really suck. ARE, im sorry-he is a great guy, good locker room and all that-but doesnt even come close to the talent Desean Jackson is showing right now on the field ever in his career. I really really hope would we be smart enough to here to let this guy get on the field. I think DT can be special and hope he will be here, do you think DT could preform in Philly under a better coached offense, QB, and supporting cast? I think better, but not close to what ive seen of Desean, he is just a special player